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Hello all, just wanted to inform all that I've experienced this odd thing with the Z that no one has seemed to have gone through, not sure of course...
But before anything else, as it was a huge selling point for a lot of hiking and travelling me, the water proofing needed to be tested.
I took it out of the box, peeled the plastic protectors off the front and back glasses, threw it in a glass.
- Now my camera has some fog inside, the volume down button has started to work again after half an hour, the loudspeaker is understandably very bad right now.
- Currently trying to get the fog out of the camera and hoping the loudspeaker to go back to normal.
- I will contact Sony tomorrow to discuss the problem and will update this as often as I can.
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- As Akiainavas has pointed out to me, it is actually written in the instructions manual, it is normal for the camera to get foggy between shifts from under water to outside the water, I've tested it work perfectly under water.
- Once dried out, all is good, it just took a lot longer for me compared to other people because of the low room temp I am used to I guess.
- The phone is all good, all working.
* Now on the to-do list: Unlock, Root, Flash, Enable Bravia through the whole user experience!
I heard that this is actually not uncommon. Let it dry. Try again tomorrow.
Indeed, i tested it the day i got and noticed the sound was very low after it was wet. After a half an hour (max 1 hr) sound will come back with normal volume. It's some protection thing i guess
It's just water on the speaker membrane that distorts the sound. Haven't got my phone yet, but try blowing it out. Waiting it out should work as mentioned.
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Now my camera has some fog inside
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Still have that problem?
Maybe its a faulty device with regard to that camera fog.... Can happen to one in thousand devices...
Surely sony will replace it...
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nikhiltanwar said:
Maybe its a faulty device with regard to that camera fog.... Can happen to one in thousand devices...
Surely sony will replace it...
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This brings up a Good question. Has anybody read the warranty?Does it actually Say You are Covered it you purposefully dunk it in a bowl of water?
I mean I understand there have been demonstrations doing this but it Seems like a really silly thing to do with your brand new phone
stiffi2011 said:
This brings up a Good question. Has anybody read the warranty?Does it actually Say You are Covered it you purposefully dunk it in a bowl of water?
I mean I understand there have been demonstrations doing this but it Seems like a really silly thing to do with your brand new phone
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the matter is...
xony xperia Z has the CERTIFICATION, wich isn't something you say you have, is something that has to been tested by a specific organization...
so if is certified i think you have warranty right...
never had any issues with fog in the camera on my xperia acro s, even after having it in my pocket while swimming
the speakers issue is common though, but thats expected, as water is going to get inside the speaker holes no matter what, but all I need to do is just shake the phone and blow where the speakers are and they work perfectly fine after that
Uh...did you even at least try to test out to make sure the phone is working good before dumping it into the water?
Right, it's been 12 hours now, I left it to dry out in a bag full of humid absorbing silicon bags over night.
- Right now the fog inside the camera lens is gone.
- However I think it is out of battery so I plugged into charging.
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the matter is...
xony xperia Z has the CERTIFICATION, wich isn't something you say you have, is something that has to been tested by a specific organization...
so if is certified i think you have warranty right...
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Exactly what I have in mind, I will be contacting Sony about this no matter what, the phone failed the water test out of the box, it is a feature they promote and demonstrate heavily. If they don't cover it in their warranty despite all the promotion and the effort they have put in this phone, then they are just idiots who have absolutely no idea of how one device failing like this can damage the image if they don't back it up with their warranty.
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Uh...did you even at least try to test out to make sure the phone is working good before dumping it into the water?
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Yes, it was all fully working - tested its other features without opening any of the covers to make sure the water test was legit for an hour or so.
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Update: The phone is working, buttons all working, speaker working, camera fog gone and this time it didn't come back as soon as I took it out of the air lock bag.
I am still contacting Sony to get information on what I should do, how I should feel...
I will test it again after my talk with them and on the direction they've given. Mind you, I tested it only in a half full glass of water so what I will do is to try and reproduce the problem.
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Update 2: I have just noticed that the charger is actually 1.5A and you cannot charge the phone from a computer unless you have a non-standard USB port like a 3A one that Gigabyte motherboards have.
Put mine in a vase of water yesterday for 5 mins and all was well, love it
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When submerged, and after that:
- Speaker will have very low volume for a while, until it dries off
- There might be a "fog" on the camera because of humidity and temperature differences
- Hardware buttons might not react perfectly until the water dries off
It's perfectly normal. It's in instruction manual... but whoever reads those these days
Quick copy and paste from the Sony UK website.
"[2] In compliance with IP5/7 and IP5X, Xperia Z is protected against the ingress of dust and is water resistant. Provided that all ports and covers are firmly closed, the phone is (i) protected against low pressure jets of water from all practicable directions in compliance with IP 55; and/or (ii) can be kept under 1 metre of freshwater for up to 30 minutes in compliance with IP 57. The phone is not designed to float or work submerged underwater outside the IP55 or IP57 classification range and should not be exposed to any liquid chemicals. If liquid detection is triggered on the handset or battery, your warranty will be void."
So it's only designed to be water resistant, and if it gets water damage, you're out of luck.
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So it's only designed to be water resistant, and if it gets water damage, you're out of luck.
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The thing is - it won't get damaged unless you leave the covers open. I asked Sony about it and apparently they have some tests to determine that - most likely a water detection that can be used even when the phone is dead. I think they'll probably just close the covers and put it in water to test it again, if waters gets in - it means your covers are flawed and you'll get a replacement. If not - it means you fkd up and you won't get your phone replaced.
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The thing is - it won't get damaged unless you leave the covers open. I asked Sony about it and apparently they have some tests to determine that - most likely a water detection that can be used even when the phone is dead. I think they'll probably just close the covers and put it in water to test it again, if waters gets in - it means your covers are flawed and you'll get a replacement. If not - it means you fkd up and you won't get your phone replaced.
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If that's the case then then that's awesome!
It'd make sense too, as what's the point of going to all the trouble of getting it certified water-resistant and advertising it as one of the main features, and then saying to everyone that gets the slightest bit of water ingress that they're f**ked.
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If that's the case then then that's awesome!
It'd make sense too, as what's the point of going to all the trouble of getting it certified water-resistant and advertising it as one of the main features, and then saying to everyone that gets the slightest bit of water ingress that they're f**ked.
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I trust Sony in this aspect. There are water sensitive tapes under every cover ( those little white things ) so they'll know which one leaked.
Also, remember what happened with Tablet S - it was supposed to be waterproof, but they detected a manufacturing defect that caused some of them to leak. Sony called every customer to Sony Center and provided a replacement of their device - dead or not, warranty or not... that's how you do it.
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Quick copy and paste from the Sony UK website.
"[2] In compliance with IP5/7 and IP5X, Xperia Z is protected against the ingress of dust and is water resistant. Provided that all ports and covers are firmly closed, the phone is (i) protected against low pressure jets of water from all practicable directions in compliance with IP 55; and/or (ii) can be kept under 1 metre of freshwater for up to 30 minutes in compliance with IP 57. The phone is not designed to float or work submerged underwater outside the IP55 or IP57 classification range and should not be exposed to any liquid chemicals. If liquid detection is triggered on the handset or battery, your warranty will be void."
So it's only designed to be water resistant, and if it gets water damage, you're out of luck.
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The thing is - it won't get damaged unless you leave the covers open. I asked Sony about it and apparently they have some tests to determine that - most likely a water detection that can be used even when the phone is dead. I think they'll probably just close the covers and put it in water to test it again, if waters gets in - it means your covers are flawed and you'll get a replacement. If not - it means you fkd up and you won't get your phone replaced.
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I've read it somewhere that the interior also has water resilient coating actually for when tiny amounts of water goes in, I wonder if that's why the camera gets fogged inside because I just don't get how there can be fog when there is no humidity allowed into the interior components as long as you are in the limits of the IP57 certification.
Am I wrong in this? Does water proofing not mean the device not allowing any humidity inside whatsoever? or Is it that the air molecules carrying the humidity inside can still get past the water proofing?
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The thing is - it won't get damaged unless you leave the covers open. I asked Sony about it and apparently they have some tests to determine that - most likely a water detection that can be used even when the phone is dead. I think they'll probably just close the covers and put it in water to test it again, if waters gets in - it means your covers are flawed and you'll get a replacement. If not - it means you fkd up and you won't get your phone replaced.
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under flap covers there's a water-sensitive material wich becomes pink when water enters slots i've seen a photo from a review, but he has put his xperia z in many kind of water, beer too (beer has bubbles and carbon dioxide )
CaFFeiNe666 said:
under flap covers there's a water-sensitive material wich becomes pink when water enters slots i've seen a photo from a review, but he has put his xperia z in many kind of water, beer too (beer has bubbles and carbon dioxide )
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I'm much more likely to spill beer over it rather than water in perfect honesty, so thanks for the info there!
Not that I want to spill any beer... it's so sad when I do :crying:
Hello,
I have my Z from its release. I tried its water resistance the first day i recieved it, all was OK. I recorded many videos underwater, in swimming pool, at home, and everything was always ok. Everytime i took it in water, I mindfully closed all the covering caps.
But today, I got a problem. I took my phone with me to water, as whnever I did, and when I was looking at it after "bathing", my camera was fogged - it was wet INSIDE. I tried to check those white indicators under covering caps, and those at USB port and headphone jack were RED. I also noticed tiny droplets of water there. Everything else is however working. No display issues, headphones are playing, USB works too.
I must remark that my phone dropped me on pavement from my pocket about month ago (scratched corners), but its resistance worked until today.
What now? Should I claim it? What do you guys think? I bought Xperia Z mainly for its water resistance. It is very distressing that I can take it in water any more.
Edit: one problem detected - mobile data doesnt work.
Since the indicators are red you have nothing to stand on, they will just say that the flaps were open and you won't be able to prove them wrong.
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Since the indicators are red you have nothing to stand on, they will just say that the flaps were open and you won't be able to prove them wrong.
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I read somewhere that on the repair service they check if the flaps provide the necessary seal against water. If they provide enough seal, and you have the indicators turned red, they blame you for not having closed the flaps correctly, on the other hand, if the flaps show defects and let water through, even when properly closed and with moisture indicators turned red, they still service your device under warranty.
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Since the indicators are red you have nothing to stand on, they will just say that the flaps were open and you won't be able to prove them wrong.
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They were closed. I was always checking them before going in water. Im 100% sure. And yes i can prove it. They can close the flaps and test phone and see if there is water or not.
Dropping the phone may have caused an open gap somewhere and water leaked in.
Nothing you can do, just argue your way in and hope for the best.
If you know you are a clumsy person, you should have gotten a case.
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In the pictures the phone has a the back glass lifted, maybe that was the problem. I have the back lifted too , but not that high as yours.
Don't tell them you used it in the swimmingpool, it clearly says in the instruction booklet that you should't.
Swimmingpool water contains acids and chemical products that may destroy the rubber seals over time.
I think I know what happened. Flaps may be ok (I tested to put the phone in water again - there were no water under them, but water still got to a phone - my volume down is damaged now), but the right issue is that back plate is raised a bit around the camera
Type "Sony Xperia Z repair, disassembly manual" on youtube.
As you can see on this video, right under the plate are phone GUTS. The plate can be raised by warming it. Thus it can raise when you play games or a sun is shining on a phone. All Xperia Z owners, check your back plate too if it is OK or raised! I believe this is that water resistance issue..
The fog in camera disappeared during the day and when I removed SIM and put it back, mobile data begun to work. Bad thing is that volume button doesnt work (as I said above). The button itself is ok and its not stucked or pressed, but when I turn phone on, it always starts in safe mode and I cant volume down, I can just volume up (using the button; I can volume down using display), so I think button contacts are fu**ed and phone thinks the buton is pressed. I think only thing I can do now is going to repair service.
I could never imagine submersing my phone in water. not worth the risk.
I treat my XZ as water resistant. I'll text people when im in the bath with wet hands etc.. but never put it in water
eiestsa never
vibecatalin said:
In the pictures the phone has a the back glass lifted, maybe that was the problem. I have the back lifted too , but not that high as yours.
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Yeah, you are right. I think thats the issue. Did u try to put it in water if it is ok or not?
I've read somewhere of someone using bleach on a cotton bud VERY carefully to whiten the markers.
I had a similar issue, take it to the service center & get it fixed.
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Yeah, you are right. I think thats the issue. Did u try to put it in water if it is ok or not?
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No, but I think I will try.
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No, but I think I will try.
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Those flaps are piece of crap. Especially that flap where charger/data cable go. Since we playing with it every day, my guess is that sealing got weaken and that's why water got thru the phone. Gap may be less than tenth of a millimeter ( <0,1 mm) and water can easily come in.
i think it's time again to bash those people who warn others not take their phone into water, as the xperia z is not waterproof, but just water resistant. and that's more likely to protect the phone from accidental drops into water, rather than to go diving/bathing/filming with it in water.
and those warners know what the IP-rating says ("...half an hour"..."submerged 'till half a meter"....)
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i think it's time again to bash those people who warn others not take their phone into water, as the xperia z is not waterproof, but just water resistant. and that's more likely to protect the phone from accidental drops into water, rather than to go diving/bathing/filming with it in water.
and those warners know what the IP-rating says ("...half an hour"..."submerged 'till half a meter"....)
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If people actually followed that advice, then there would not be multiple threads like this one, where people have destroyed their phone.
What is the point of deliberately putting your expensive phone in danger, IP rating or no IP rating?
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If people actually followed that advice, then there would not be multiple threads like this one, where people have destroyed their phone.
What is the point of deliberately putting your expensive phone in danger, IP rating or no IP rating?
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gosh, not this discussion again! It does not matter what the point is or if there is a point or not. If the producer communicates that this phone CAN sustain without damage being in water i-don't know-how-deep for i-don't know-how long, then this phone SHOULD do it. The intentions of the users, or whether there is a point or not in taking your phone to the swimming pool, are NOT important. It is IMPORTANT that whatever was promised to the user SHOULD BE VALID.
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gosh, not this discussion again! It does not matter what the point is or if there is a point or not. If the producer communicates that this phone CAN sustain without damage being in water i-don't know-how-deep for i-don't know-how long, then this phone SHOULD do it. The intentions of the users, or whether there is a point or not in taking your phone to the swimming pool, are NOT important. It is IMPORTANT that whatever was promised to the user SHOULD BE VALID.
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Perhaps you have a point, but if you go to a service centre with red water ingress indicators, you will be paying to have your phone repaired as they will say it was caused by user negligence. End of story.
If you do not put your phone into water for no good reason, it will never get water damaged. Why are people using the IP rating to excuse a complete lack of common sense?
Why do people NEED to put their phone into water regularly?
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Perhaps you have a point, but if you go to a service centre with red water ingress indicators, you will be paying to have your phone repaired as they will say it was caused by user negligence. End of story.
If you do not put your phone into water for no good reason, it will never get water damaged. Why are people using the IP rating to excuse a complete lack of common sense?
Why do people NEED to put their phone into water regularly?
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because they bought the phone with the intention that they can do this with it. They've seen it in official Sony commercials (phone used during rain, phone washed under running water after being splashed with color paint, on exhibitions Sony employees dropped it in aquariums, smashed the phone on the floor repeatedly to demonstrate that the glass won't break). I heard that in some shops they even have the Z in a water tank all the time and only take it out for charging. There was that show in Czech Republic where two models used the phone under the shower and so on.
The phone has an ip57 rating which clearly states that you can submerge it into water for 1m and up to 30 minutes. I also believe that you can leave it there for much longer and it SHOULD be okay, only the depth is important. The deeper you go, the higher is the water pressure and the seals might leak.
Now, cars also have ip ratings for water protection and different levels for the interior of the car and the outside. Inside it might be ip54 (water, mud and splashes when entering the car with wet shoes or boots) and outside it's even ip59 or ip58K which means it's protected against water ingress when used with high pressure water jets (e.g. car wash!).
I'm sure most people would complain, if there brand new car is flooded with water on the inside after they went to car wash. The same is true for this phone!
An ip rating is an ip rating and not like "buhu, it's ip57 but it can only manage 3 drops of water before it breaks!". If that is the case, I could have keept my S2 which also survives a few drops of rain without damage. If Sony can't manage that, they shouldn't have advertised it like that or given an ip54 rating or something lower.
You can't claim your phone has the SECOND HIGHEST protection against water there is and then say: "Stay away from water". It's like: "your car has 6 airbags, but don't expect them to work in a crash" or "your Porsche can go 300 km/h, but don't ever try it"
People put their phone in water because they can and should be able to.
If the XZ can't and should be used in water, I'm sure most people would have bought a non water proof phone instead because it would be the same. I was drawn to this phone because of it's water resistance.
I'm beeing very paranoid and bought a 5€ waterproof bag for my phone which I tested yesterday for 6 hours submerged in the sink. The paper inside stayed perfectly dry. Even though my XZ should be waterproof on its own, I think double protection is always better. The bag seems to be waterproof, and even if by some chance it is not, then my phone won't be damaged, because it's supposed to be waterproof too!
With this double protection, I'm still afraid to take it to the pool, but might do so eventually which I wouldn't have done without the bag.
Yes, you do have a point. At least somewhat anyway.
For a start, the manual tells you to avoid chlorinated water. So no swimming pools. I wonder if this is why the water resistance appears to have failed in this case.
I could point out other things that the manual tells you to avoid, but everyone here has already read it before going swimming with their phone, right?
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Hey. I've just bought g5s plus. I heard its splash resistant. I also read that it doesn't mean that is has water resistance though. I'm just wondering if I use my phone when it's raining lightly I can damage my phone. I have solid OXYGEN case and I worry about phone speaker mostly. I can buy some jack slot protector, i don't even use it. Usb is on the bottom so it won't be affected. I also heard that our metal body can corrode and that it isn't included in warranty policy.
When I had my nexus 5 i used to cover my phone from the rain by my hand to protect jack slot and phone speaker. Was quite annoying ;d. But that technique never let me down.
What do you think about that?
All part of the exterior is splash resistance, including the port and speaker. It can withstand all kind of rain and water flush without problem. You just can't submerged it or use it underwater since this condition will involve water pressure and this kind of protection needs IP certification.
You say it from autopsy? Tested? Or theoretically? No further term damage?
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You say it from autopsy? Tested? Or theoretically? No further term damage?
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I swam with it in the swimming pool. Nothing happened to speakers. But later, it corrosion so I throw phone. :crying:
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I swam with it in the swimming pool. Nothing happened to speakers. But later, it corrosion so I throw phone. :crying:
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Oh damn. Why the heck you swam with it. I, m sorry. It corroded that much you it wasn't usable anymore? If you tried to disassembly it and replace corroded parts it could be rescued. Unless electronics corroded too
I have accidentally dropped the phone in the toilet... I went in with its top part towards (i.e. headphones jack) and submerged about halfway. I'm wondering what I should do. The phone seems to be working fine but I'm not sure that the headphones jack is hermetic and no water went in through it. Anyone has had similar situation? What should I do?
This is the first time since 5 months that I trythe ip68 certificate just putting the phone under water in the handwash to wash the entire phone.
How much time do I need to wait to disappear the notification of USB port wet? It seems that the phone is getting hot. Also I use handsoap for wash it. Hope that not be a big deal...
There is something that I can do to get normal again?
Just wait, I accidentally splashed mine, the moisture notification disappeared after some 4 hours, it depends on ambient conditions, where I live it is 100% humid 24 hours, as I live 200 meters away from the beach..
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Just wait, I accidentally splashed mine, the moisture notification disappeared after some 4 hours, it depends on ambient conditions, where I live it is 100% humid 24 hours, as I live 200 meters away from the beach..
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The notification has gone but the phone is getting warm and it feels dampy.
I knoknows that depends of aambient conditions but I feel it different...
Thanks for your comment
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This is the first time since 5 months that I trythe ip68 certificate just putting the phone under water in the handwash to wash the entire phone.
How much time do I need to wait to disappear the notification of USB port wet? It seems that the phone is getting hot. Also I use handsoap for wash it. Hope that not be a big deal...
There is something that I can do to get normal again?
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I would try putting your phone in a bag of rice overnight to draw any water out that may have been forced in from the pressure of the running water. Never use soap on your phone or place it under running water. The soap lubricates the water and allows it to be more easily forced where it wasn't intended to go. I just use a microfiber cloth with lens cleaning solution sprayed on the cloth. Even doing this causes the moisture detected warning for a few.
Buy some anti-bacterial wipes to clean your phone with. There is absolutely no need to wash it with soap and water.
Conito11 said:
This is the first time since 5 months that I trythe ip68 certificate just putting the phone under water in the handwash to wash the entire phone.
How much time do I need to wait to disappear the notification of USB port wet? It seems that the phone is getting hot. Also I use handsoap for wash it. Hope that not be a big deal...
There is something that I can do to get normal again?
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Why on earth royals tu nerd soap to clean a phone? The i68 rating is about water resistance of under water. At 1 mtr for 30 minutes.. My figures may be wrong as they change from ip67 to ip68 but the point here is that you're not supposed yo it it under a tap!
He depth and time of water resistance is defined in these certifications because it is about pressure and time.. Eg The phone can hold up to the pressure at 1 mtr of hat ever depth has been mentioned in the rating for a maximum of the time given in the rating.
If it is 5 mtr 15 minutes, then it will not be damaged by water if it's 5 mrt see for 15 minutes max.. As time increases the pressure on the seals can and probably will get water into The phone.
Remember it is water resistant not waterproof! With a tap The after comes out with pressure and that could cause one of the seals to fail.
Also, soapy water is better at conducting electricity, it could have shorted out the phone and you would have a spotless but dead note 8.
Water resistant does not mean water proof and it certainly does not mean dunking the phone in water all the time. It is a safety measure which helps if you accidentally get it wet or drop it in a puddle.
The guys testing phones on YouTube are different as they try to push the limits but do not recommend it for others to follow or repeat Their tests
This us long but I see a lot of people are unaware and say their phone is waterproof.. I recently met a guy at a cellphone shop that is run by my friend.. The guy had an IPhone 7 or 7s or 7s+ if there's one.
He got it wet accidentally, spilled water on it and it died.. I asked him whether he went to apple he said he did and they want Rs. 35000 which is $500 to replace it.
I told him that it is supposed to be ip67 or ip68 so they should cover it under warranty.. But they never offered him this solution..
Don't you think it is wrong that they claim water resistance and it dies because of a splash and they do not cover it?
Hope this helps..
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Why on earth royals tu nerd soap to clean a phone? The i68 rating is about water resistance of under water. At 1 mtr for 30 minutes.. My figures may be wrong as they change from ip67 to ip68 but the point here is that you're not supposed yo it it under a tap!
He depth and time of water resistance is defined in these certifications because it is about pressure and time.. Eg The phone can hold up to the pressure at 1 mtr of hat ever depth has been mentioned in the rating for a maximum of the time given in the rating.
If it is 5 mtr 15 minutes, then it will not be damaged by water if it's 5 mrt see for 15 minutes max.. As time increases the pressure on the seals can and probably will get water into The phone.
Remember it is water resistant not waterproof! With a tap The after comes out with pressure and that could cause one of the seals to fail.
Also, soapy water is better at conducting electricity, it could have shorted out the phone and you would have a spotless but dead note 8.
Water resistant does not mean water proof and it certainly does not mean dunking the phone in water all the time. It is a safety measure which helps if you accidentally get it wet or drop it in a puddle.
The guys testing phones on YouTube are different as they try to push the limits but do not recommend it for others to follow or repeat Their tests
This us long but I see a lot of people are unaware and say their phone is waterproof.. I recently met a guy at a cellphone shop that is run by my friend.. The guy had an IPhone 7 or 7s or 7s+ if there's one.
He got it wet accidentally, spilled water on it and it died.. I asked him whether he went to apple he said he did and they want Rs. 35000 which is $500 to replace it.
I told him that it is supposed to be ip67 or ip68 so they should cover it under warranty.. But they never offered him this solution..
Don't you think it is wrong that they claim water resistance and it dies because of a splash and they do not cover it?
Hope this helps..
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Nice opinion and as you Said: waterproof is not the same like water resistant.
As I have seen reading several posts regarding this issue about claiming warranty due to water damage, it is very difficult if not impossible to get a device fixed by means of warranty under this circumstances, because the damage might be caused by exceeding the max allowed depth, or the time it was submerged and, if the device was put into a strong flow of water, as they can not verify anything about these possible scenarios, they refuse to make valid the warranty
so i just got my xperia 1ii today, i was wiping the screen with a bit of wet cloth before sticking on the screen protector, then i saw mist on the front facing camera, next thing i know it screen starts to flicker and turn green, then it died, it was a sad day for me, is it possible for water to get in an ip68 phone when brand new?
it was also kinda my fault for using wet cloth, but like all my other ip68 phones this never happened to me T _ T
WYSIWYG... yes it's possible.
Never assume the seals are intact. Protect from water exposure at all times is what I do.
Will Sony warranty cover it???
I am not sure about Sony's warranty on user error.
There is nothing in the box stating anything about warranty. I bought it online but there is a physical shop that I collected the phone from.
I left it in a bag of rice for 10 hours but the screen still turn up black screen with some odd lines and shut itself down, I feel so dumb for causing this, I usually do the same way of installing screen protectors for my Z3+,Z5 and XZ and water never got in, I feel so embarrassed and unlucky T_ T
Rice Doesn't Work!
The phone needs to be powered down and the battery disconnected asap. Otherwise it will likely be destroyed if it isn't already. It needs to then be completely dried out.
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Battle it out with Sony.
Obviously the first option is incompatible with the second option. I'd send the mess back to Sony, they may or may not suck it up easily.
Sony is a pain to deal with...
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Rice Doesn't Work!
The phone needs to be powered down and the battery disconnected asap. Otherwise it will likely be destroyed if it isn't already. It needs to then be completely dried out.
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Battle it out with Sony.
Obviously the first option is incompatible with the second option. I'd send the mess back to Sony, they may or may not suck it up easily.
Sony is a pain to deal with...
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Sony is hard to deal with, ya so I've heard, too bad stores are not open today or tomorrow need to wait till Monday.
damn it I bought rice for nothing.
SinclairLen said:
Sony is hard to deal with, ya so I've heard, too bad stores are not open today or tomorrow need to wait till Monday.
damn it I bought rice for nothing.
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I know Sony well, as I have torn into them multiple occasions. They are rotten to the core.
That however doesn't mean that a loose chainsaw can't find an artery
I'm one of the few customers who's gotten a refund check and spoke with a VP in Teterboro NJ. They are slime... the VP's are the worst; a midlevel manager is more likely to help you if you slip through one of the cracks in customer support.
If they take back without trouble, fine.
Otherwise better buckle up Dorothy, it's going be a rough ride.
Did you use a MC or Visa to make the purchase? If so you got leverage...
Send unit back for refund of replacement and do a charge back through the bank.
Do you want another? If not be clear you want a full refund.
Here's the thing I live in Malaysia, I bought it online, and these guys are a small retail start-ups.
They Imported the device from Hong Kong cause we are kinda short on phones that are price above $600. Malaysians don't really spend much on buying new phones hence the difficulty to find high end phones locally, especially Sony, not a popular pick in recent times.
Visa here doesn't even provide any leverage hahaha.
would try to send it back to their local store tomorrow.
I would actually like to get replace to be honest, but some how I have doubts in my mind saying that its gonna be super thought ride.
Have the rear cover removed, disconnect the battery*. Is there visible water in it?
Get out as much as possible.
You need a warm, dry room. Lay on side with a high volume fan on it. Let sit for a couple days.
If you can get anhydrous isopropyl alcohol** carefully flush with that to remove the water. Use care as if it gets between the glass and display it will leave a water mark. Then dry as above.
All connectors, everything must be 100% dry before you reconnect the battery. The room must be dry, heat drives out moisture; use a hot box if you must. Keep temperature under 110F. This may save it...
*the sooner the better.
** never use methanol or isopropyl that isn't at least 96% alcohol. Never use any solvent including isopropyl alcohol with LCD display, it will poison it!
I don't dare to remove the back cover, wont that void the warranty?
I think water got in the LCD connectors, cause last time I turn it on I has weird flickering and turns green with vertical lines.
SinclairLen said:
I don't dare to remove the back cover, wont that void the warranty?
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Yes it might.
That's a AMOLED display not a LCD...
I got some silica gel put in an air tight jar, its been sitting over night since yesterday, hope it turns on tomorrow, or else I am gonna feel so awkward when I bring it to their store.
Damn I've never brought a Xperia phone or any phone in for water damage or any sort of claim warranty before, its giving me the shakes.
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I got some silica gel put in an air tight jar, its been sitting over night since yesterday, hope it turns on tomorrow, or else I am gonna feel so awkward when I bring it to their store.
Damn I've never brought a Xperia phone or any phone in for water damage or any sort of claim warranty before, its giving me the shakes.
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That will do nothing. Do Not power it up.
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So I brought it to the store, there was a bit of resistance there, but in the end they allow me to bring it back in for a check.
They say hopefully there is no red on the water damage sticker, cause if there is, they cant help, but if its just faulty they can replace the phone.
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Yes it might.
That's a AMOLED display not a LCD...
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Sony use since xperia 1 an Oled display and not Amoled.
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That will do nothing. Do Not power it up.
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You'd be surprised at what silica dessicant beads can do.
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You'd be surprised at what silica dessicant beads can do.
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Heat drives out moisture. You need air circulation as well for best results. With a sealed phone that isn't going to cut it.
First any free standing water needs to be dumped out... that's sort of funny, but true.
If you every dealt with flood damaged cars the magnitude of the problem becomes clear. Powered on circuits can be damaged irreparably in a short amount of time. A lot depends on the conductivity of the water and how long it sits there. If the battery was disconnected the car may be salvageable.
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Heat drives out moisture. You need air circulation as well for best results. With a sealed phone that isn't going to cut it.
First any free standing water needs to be dumped out... that's sort of funny, but true.
If you every dealt with flood damaged cars the magnitude of the problem becomes clear. Powered on circuits can be damaged irreparably in a short amount of time. A lot depends on the conductivity of the water and how long it sits there. If the battery was disconnected the car may be salvageable.
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Heat can help but the point is to make the air inside the bag extremely dry. Air readily absorbs moisture, which eventually evaporates. Very true about keeping everything turned off; while deionized water is non conductive and won't bother anything, most accidental spills and drops are in contaminated water which not only can be conductive, but may leave behind trace elements as it evaporates.
Still, I've had quite good success with desiccant rescue bags.
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Heat can help but the point is to make the air inside the bag extremely dry. Air readily absorbs moisture, which eventually evaporates. Very true about keeping everything turned off; while deionized water is non conductive and won't bother anything, most accidental spills and drops are in contaminated water which not only can be conductive, but may leave behind trace elements as it evaporates.
Still, I've had quite good success with desiccant rescue bags.
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I've cleaned thousands of circuit boards over to remove the flux. Sticking them in a sealed container with dry air is one thing I never did to dry them. Anhydrous sopropyl alcohol is an excellent cleaning/drying agent for most electronics, but needs a dry room to avoid condensation as it evaporates. Dry warm/hot air with high air flow is best for both isopropyl and water. Most times I also used compressed air to knock off the solvent/water beads then dry the pcbs. A high air flow blower of a large shop vac was another favorite for drying them.
Heat drives out moisture ie hot box. Hot boxes have been used for over a century especially in humid climates to preserve surgical instruments, camera equipment and electronics. Works regardless of the outside humidity. The box or cabinet is sealed but not completely air tight.
The surgery room at Pennhurst actually had it's surgery instrument cabinets lined in the back with steam heated radiators, circa about 1900.
They had large glass doors.
You could vacuum dry it though as this be very effective but again the cover should to be removed at the minimum. It's easy to make a small vacuum chamber, the vacuum pump doesn't need to pull a high vacuum to work well at a warm temperature.
Desiccant bags are best used to keep sealed items dry rather than to remove water per se.
I use them to protect lens.
As for the conductivity of the water it's a crap shoot. It could be mixed with sweat, be acidic, or otherwise contaminated.
I used RO water to flush my Buds case when it fell into a full cup of coffee, cream and sugar. The RO water to chase the sugar, then anhydrous isopropyl alcohol to chase the cream and water. Allowed it to dry in the sun and in a room for a day with the spot welded battery in it. I had the case torn apart and flushed within 5 minutes. 2 years later it still works normally. I drank the coffee after I cleaned the case, perfect day
Silica gel works to a degree on my phone, the screen was able to turn on with the start-up logo but as soon it turns on it restarts itself.
I guess two day wasn't enough, especially on phones that are partially sealed, but I guess its true, not all phones are made equal when it comes to waterproof, I remember my XZ was completely waterproof, the swimming pool kind of waterproof.
Its like buying a lottery when you get a phone that fails its waterproof.
still waiting for update from the seller hahaha.