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Could someone please explain the consequences of having a locked BL? Especially wrt to the Moto X? Also, what is this SS that everyone keeps talking about?
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I've been in your situation before and couldn't find help or answers, phone makers sign there software with a signature when it boots so when the phone loads it looks for that signature and won't load unless the os had that signature. When your boatloader is locked it means you can't install custom roms or fully root your phone, people have to find an exploit to root it, like case's rockmymoto exploit. SS is safe strap and it is a workaround for installing custom roms on a locked boatloader phone.
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charlie-n said:
I've been in your situation before and couldn't find help or answers, phone makers sign there software with a signature when it boots so when the phone loads it looks for that signature and won't load unless the os had that signature. When your boatloader is locked it means you can't install custom roms or fully root your phone, people have to find an exploit to root it, like case's rockmymoto exploit. SS is safe strap and it is a workaround for installing custom roms on a locked boatloader phone.
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So basically then, something like the AT&T moto x can be rooted by using the rockmymoto exploit, but custom ROMs have to be made specifically to support SS?
Seeing as how I dont think development for the Moto X isnt going to take off on a major scale (like, say the Nexus), it would make no difference having a locked or unlocked BL, am I right?
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So basically then, something like the AT&T moto x can be rooted by using the rockmymoto exploit, but custom ROMs have to be made specifically to support SS?
Seeing as how I dont think development for the Moto X isnt going to take off on a major scale (like, say the Nexus), it would make no difference having a locked or unlocked BL, am I right?
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well there are several roms out there for unlocked BL currently. The reason to have a unlocked BL: if you want to flash roms a lot, if you want to make sure that you always can have root (sometimes exploits for a FW won't come out), and if you want complete control over your phone.
Much less dev will be done for SS roms because people are finding it difficult to build them I believe. I only use SS to keep root and take newer otas, or run roms like eclipse that are based off of stock FW, then just trimmed down with added features and lots more.
If you have the money, having an unlocked BL is nice because you don't need exploits for roots and other things. I would go with one if money wasn't an issue purely for that fact. Not sure how they are getting OTAs right now, but sometimes unlocked BLs also get OTAs quicker than locked BLs. And they can always flash the OTA if there is a leak. You can also always downgrade your device to a different FW if you want with an unlocked BL.
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well there are several roms out there for unlocked BL currently. The reason to have a unlocked BL: if you want to flash roms a lot, if you want to make sure that you always can have root (sometimes exploits for a FW won't come out), and if you want complete control over your phone.
Much less dev will be done for SS roms because people are finding it difficult to build them I believe. I only use SS to keep root and take newer otas, or run roms like eclipse that are based off of stock FW, then just trimmed down with added features and lots more.
If you have the money, having an unlocked BL is nice because you don't need exploits for roots and other things. I would go with one if money wasn't an issue purely for that fact. Not sure how they are getting OTAs right now, but sometimes unlocked BLs also get OTAs quicker than locked BLs. And they can always flash the OTA if there is a leak. You can also always downgrade your device to a different FW if you want with an unlocked BL.
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Money isnt the issue here. The thing is the Moto X isnt available in my country, but someone is selling their AT&T moto on local ebay. I jumped ship from using android for so many years to an iPhone 5 (my current phone) because I just wanted a phone I could use. Kinda grew tired of flashing ROMS and kernels all the time. The Moto X hits the sweet spot with the perfect size and stutter free operation. To me, this is the perfect android phone. All I need is root and a custom launcher. That is available for the AT&T phones I believe? And as you said, ECLIPSE is available for me to flash if I feel like.
Other than that, apps like lightflow and others dont differentiate b/w locked and unlocked BLs, do they?
anirudh412 said:
Could someone please explain the consequences of having a locked BL? Especially wrt to the Moto X? Also, what is this SS that everyone keeps talking about?
TIA
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Straight from the man himself in regards to SafeStrap.
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/104161-recovery-locked-safestrap-recovery-v365-2013-11-13/
Any locked BL users care to give their 0.02 about life with a locked BL? :silly:
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Money isnt the issue here. The thing is the Moto X isnt available in my country, but someone is selling their AT&T moto on local ebay. I jumped ship from using android for so many years to an iPhone 5 (my current phone) because I just wanted a phone I could use. Kinda grew tired of flashing ROMS and kernels all the time. The Moto X hits the sweet spot with the perfect size and stutter free operation. To me, this is the perfect android phone. All I need is root and a custom launcher. That is available for the AT&T phones I believe? And as you said, ECLIPSE is available for me to flash if I feel like.
Other than that, apps like lightflow and others dont differentiate b/w locked and unlocked BLs, do they?
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before you pull the trigger make sure the phone will work in your area. IDK about all of the other country phone stuff, but I have seen people posting about what lte bands and radios each different model of the moto x can support. Also, some models you can flash other carriers FW on them, some you can't. And if you buy some models with for some carriers, you can unlock the BL then move it to ATT or whatever service you are using. Like i said, IDK about all of that so that will take some reading and investigating on your part.
I also don't know about lightflow, but basically once you have root, all rooted apps should be able to do what they do. I personally know of nothing that requires an unlocked BL to work (besides flashing roms, kernals, radios, or other stuff). Just root. I'm assuming lightflow is like any other app that requires root. Don't believe any app should ever be changing anything to your bootloader (besides exploits that come in the form of an app).
Im on a lock BL fyi. Had the money for the dev but once root came out for the phone, I decided to go with subsidized. All I wanted was root. And it seems kitkat will have a root exploit made by jcase so im not worried about the future either.
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before you pull the trigger make sure the phone will work in your area. IDK about all of the other country phone stuff, but I have seen people posting about what lte bands and radios each different model of the moto x can support. Also, some models you can flash other carriers FW on them, some you can't. And if you buy some models with for some carriers, you can unlock the BL then move it to ATT or whatever service you are using. Like i said, IDK about all of that so that will take some reading and investigating on your part.
I also don't know about lightflow, but basically once you have root, all rooted apps should be able to do what they do. I personally know of nothing that requires an unlocked BL to work (besides flashing roms, kernals, radios, or other stuff). Just root. I'm assuming lightflow is like any other app that requires root. Don't believe any app should ever be changing anything to your bootloader (besides exploits that come in the form of an app).
I'm on a lock BL fyi. Had the money for the dev but once root came out for the phone, I decided to go with subsidized. All I wanted was root. And it seems kitkat will have a root exploit made by jcase so im not worried about the future either.
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Lol, it just occurred to me I wouldn't need lightflow on the MotoX, it doesn't have a notification light
Either way, even if I do have an unlocked BL, flashing AOSP is out of the question as I wouldnt want to miss out on Active Notifs and always listening G Now. Stock ROM with a few tweaks is all I need.
Under ideal situations (read global release of perhaps the best android phone to date), I wouldn't be in this predicament.
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Im on a lock BL fyi. Had the money for the dev but once root came out for the phone, I decided to go with subsidized. All I wanted was root. And it seems kitkat will have a root exploit made by jcase so im not worried about the future either.
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May I take the liberty of asking which phones have you used before? I have read a few threads and the general consensus is that this phone is smoother than the 'so-called' flagships like the GS4 and the One. Would you happen to agree? As I said before, I just need a phone that works without lag. I am not a heavy user by any means. Texting, whatsapp and a few occasional games like the Clash of Clans. The GPU is quite capable from what I have heard
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May I take the liberty of asking which phones have you used before? I have read a few threads and the general consensus is that this phone is smoother than the 'so-called' flagships like the GS4 and the One. Would you happen to agree? As I said before, I just need a phone that works without lag. I am not a heavy user by any means. Texting, whatsapp and a few occasional games like the Clash of Clans. The GPU is quite capable from what I have heard
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ya the phone is just as quick if not quicker than those flagship phones. while its hardware is not "superior" the code behind everything and the processors set up how they are make it just as snappy as those other phones. I never owned either of the two you described but I have played with them all for enough time. You won't be disappointed with the phone at all. A lot of people think it is the best android phone generally that has been released. I;'m in that boat. Closes equivalent to an apple product (flow , feel, etc) that I have used. Those other phones are great as well. Id go htc one over sg4. I was about to buy those phones but then held out to see when/if the moto x was going to be released. Glad I did. went with this phone over those. The size of the phone is perfect for me. I don't like huge screens that barely fit in my pcoket. Battery life is solid (i dont use this things for 6 hours a day like others, not sure how they generate an income ha). the features are amazing and change how you use your phone. Truely the first phone I have seen that released some cool features that were extremely useful and not just eye candy. Google backing moto is a big plus too, you know that if anyone is going to get good treatment, it will at least have to be moto. take the plunge, no chance you will regret it.
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ya the phone is just as quick if not quicker than those flagship phones. while its hardware is not "superior" the code behind everything and the processors set up how they are make it just as snappy as those other phones. I never owned either of the two you described but I have played with them all for enough time. You won't be disappointed with the phone at all. A lot of people think it is the best android phone generally that has been released. I;'m in that boat. Closes equivalent to an apple product (flow , feel, etc) that I have used. Those other phones are great as well. Id go htc one over sg4. I was about to buy those phones but then held out to see when/if the moto x was going to be released. Glad I did. went with this phone over those. The size of the phone is perfect for me. I don't like huge screens that barely fit in my pcoket. Battery life is solid (i dont use this things for 6 hours a day like others, not sure how they generate an income ha). the features are amazing and change how you use your phone. Truely the first phone I have seen that released some cool features that were extremely useful and not just eye candy. Google backing moto is a big plus too, you know that if anyone is going to get good treatment, it will at least have to be moto. take the plunge, no chance you will regret it.
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Thank you so much for taking the time to help me out. Moto X, here I come :highfive:
Hey guys,
I just moved apartments this past weekend and I have 0 service in my new place; not even 1 bar. I've been a T-Mobile customer of 10 years and feel sad that I'm going to have to part ways. They said there's nothing they can do and they have no signal boosters in stock.
Got me thinking, I've been overpaying bigtime for this unlimited plan. Yes, I've raped them on data, but now that my life is pretty structured and on WiFi most of the time, I think I can make the RW plan work.
I thought about utilizing a VoIP/Google Voice solution but Republic seems more seamless. Anyways, I just placed and order for a new Moto X and will try out the 30 day trial.
Problem is, I cannot live without root and tweaking my phone. The tethered root is not gonna work for me, so I was thinking that while I'm on the trial, I can test out the service, and in the meantime source a Moto X that's on 4.2.2. That way, if I want to stay with RW I can just cancel the trial, return the phone, get the one with 4.2.2, and re-sign up.
Does anyone know a source of Moto Xs on 4.2.2? Doesn't have to be new.
Poi25 said:
Hey guys,
I just moved apartments this past weekend and I have 0 service in my new place; not even 1 bar. I've been a T-Mobile customer of 10 years and feel sad that I'm going to have to part ways. They said there's nothing they can do and they have no signal boosters in stock.
Got me thinking, I've been overpaying bigtime for this unlimited plan. Yes, I've raped them on data, but now that my life is pretty structured and on WiFi most of the time, I think I can make the RW plan work.
I thought about utilizing a VoIP/Google Voice solution but Republic seems more seamless. Anyways, I just placed and order for a new Moto X and will try out the 30 day trial.
Problem is, I cannot live without root and tweaking my phone. The tethered root is not gonna work for me, so I was thinking that while I'm on the trial, I can test out the service, and in the meantime source a Moto X that's on 4.2.2. That way, if I want to stay with RW I can just cancel the trial, return the phone, get the one with 4.2.2, and re-sign up.
Does anyone know a source of Moto Xs on 4.2.2? Doesn't have to be new.
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First, RW will only activate Republic Wireless Moto X's. It can't be just any old X. You will be hard-pressed to find a used RW phone that is still on 4.2.2.
Second, if you ordered from RW directly, there is a good chance the phone you will get is still on 4.2.2. If you ordered from MotoMaker, it will almost certainly be on 4.4.2 already.
Third, for $45 you can [probably] unlock your bootloader! I haven't seen a single RW customer not get an unlock code yet. (See the "China Middleman Back??" thread in General for more details). I got both my RW Moto X's unlocked through the middleman.
Any more questions? BTW, I would have given you a $20 coupon if you posted before you ordered... And yeah, I love their service.
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First, RW will only activate Republic Wireless Moto X's. It can't be just any old X. You will be hard-pressed to find a used RW phone that is still on 4.2.2.
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Yes, I know.
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Second, if you ordered from RW directly, there is a good chance the phone you will get is still on 4.2.2. If you ordered from MotoMaker, it will almost certainly be on 4.4.2 already.
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That would be amazing.
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Third, for $45 you can [probably] unlock your bootloader! I haven't seen a single RW customer not get an unlock code yet. (See the "China Middleman Back??" thread in General for more details). I got both my RW Moto X's unlocked through the middleman.
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Well, come to think of it, if I get a phone that can have full root with write enabled, what would unlocking the bootloader give me over and beyond what I need? I'll be sticking to stock ROM anyways. Wouldn't be flashing any custom ROMs or anything unless they retain the WiFi calling aspect, which is why I'm switching to RW to begin with.
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BTW, I would have given you a $20 coupon if you posted before you ordered
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lol I found a random guy's referral code on Reddit, I'm sure he's happy.
My original question is a preemptive information gathering one. I'm just wondering, if the Moto X I receive is 4.4.2 or above, where I could go about finding one with 4.4 or below.
One more quick random question: reading the different root methods for each version, it says 4.4 can be downgraded to 4.2.2 post camera update, but not pre. Why would anyone want to go pre-camera update anyways, didn't that fix camera issues?
Poi25 said:
Well, come to think of it, if I get a phone that can have full root with write enabled, what would unlocking the bootloader give me over and beyond what I need? I'll be sticking to stock ROM anyways. Wouldn't be flashing any custom ROMs or anything unless they retain the WiFi calling aspect, which is why I'm switching to RW to begin with.
My original question is a preemptive information gathering one. I'm just wondering, if the Moto X I receive is 4.4.2 or above, where I could go about finding one with 4.4 or below.
One more quick random question: reading the different root methods for each version, it says 4.4 can be downgraded to 4.2.2 post camera update, but not pre. Why would anyone want to go pre-camera update anyways, didn't that fix camera issues?
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OK, first, bootloader-unlocking is far superior to the root/wp-off exploit. If you ever want to update past 4.4, you have to use safestrap, which is a big hack. Great for those who have no other options, but complicated and tricky. And your bootloader and partition table REMAIN on 4.4. This may cause problems with future updates (4.4.4 +?). We just don't know what the future holds.
With your bootloader unlocked, you have permanent ability to root, no matter what android version you are running. You can update to the latest version with ease, and don't have to worry about someone creating a new safestrap-compatible ROM that will work for your device.
If you didn't already know, Hashcode is dropping support for safestrap soon, so it may end up being a thing of the past...
Yes, 4.4 can only be downgraded to 4.2.2 post-camera - otherwise you will brick. If you were on the original 4.2.2, you could use jcase's "PwnMyMoto" exploit which is very easy, and disables write-protect and roots.
4.2.2 Post-camera can only use "RockMyMoto" which is much more complicated and involved, and also requires "MotoWpNoMo" to disable WP before you can use it.
Again, these exploits are complicated and tricky. With your bootloader unlocked, even on the latest android version, you simply flash TWRP, which roots for you. Done. And no worries about future updates patching the previous exploits. Very clean, and easy.
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Again, these exploits are complicated and tricky. With your bootloader unlocked, even on the latest android version, you simply flash TWRP, which roots for you. Done. And no worries about future updates patching the previous exploits. Very clean, and easy.
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Fair enough. So I'm guessing you just flash the new ROM (for updates) through TWRP and then just flash SuperSU for root?
I'm totally new to this device, just started researching it today, and unsure how the switchis ggoing to be. I'm literally going from the biggest device out there (6.4" Xperia Z Ultra) to the 4.7" Moto X lol.
Poi25 said:
Fair enough. So I'm guessing you just flash the new ROM (for updates) through TWRP and then just flash SuperSU for root?
I'm totally new to this device, just started researching it today, and unsure how the switchis ggoing to be. I'm literally going from the biggest device out there (6.4" Xperia Z Ultra) to the 4.7" Moto X lol.
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Nope, you have to have stock recovery for OTAs. I suggest you read up on some of the guides for unlocked users...don't want to spend a bunch of time detailing what is already in multiple guides. See the "One Stop shop" rooting thread for specifics.
Here's the short version: when a new OTA update is available, you use fastboot to flash stock recovery back on. Then you take the update. Afterwards, you can flash TWRP back on and re-root. You only need to do this for updates. (This is for UNLOCKED devices -- safestrap is much more complicated and again, it may lose support in the near future. I highly suggest getting unlocked if you can.)
IMO, the Moto X is the perfect size. I couldn't comfortably fit any larger of a phone in my pocket...and since I don't carry a big 'purse' or similar LOL, I don't want some massive device. I really dislike this new trend for 'phablets'. Way too big for my liking.
Anyways, good luck. Hope you enjoy RW.
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I suggest you read up on some of the guides for unlocked users...don't want to spend a bunch of time detailing what is already in multiple guides. See the "One Stop shop" rooting thread for specifics.
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Just wanted to say first, thank you for your help. Great introduction to Moto X community.
I read up on the bootloader unlocking and root in the One Stop Shop thread. Unless I'm missing something, I will be unable to unlock the bootloader on the RW. At least that's what I got from the thread. RW Moto X is not listed as an unlockable bootloader.
Poi25 said:
Just wanted to say first, thank you for your help. Great introduction to Moto X community.
I read up on the bootloader unlocking and root in the One Stop Shop thread. Unless I'm missing something, I will be unable to unlock the bootloader on the RW. At least that's what I got from the thread. RW Moto X is not listed as an unlockable bootloader.
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You are welcome....but you are missing something. Specifically my 2nd post:
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Third, for $45 you can [probably] unlock your bootloader! I haven't seen a single RW customer not get an unlock code yet. (See the "China Middleman Back??" thread in General for more details). I got both my RW Moto X's unlocked through the middleman.
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See that thread for details....some dude in China is selling unlock codes. They work!!! All the details are in that thread...but basically you paypal him $45 (and put your IMEI and email in the notes) and he sends you an unlock code. If he doesn't have your code, you get refunded.
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You are welcome....but you are missing something. Specifically my 2nd post:
See that thread for details....some dude in China is selling unlock codes. They work!!! All the details are in that thread...but basically you paypal him $45 (and put your IMEI and email in the notes) and he sends you an unlock code. If he doesn't have your code, you get refunded.
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Just received the RW MotoX yesterday, it is on 4.2.2 which is nice. However, if I do end up staying with RW I'll probably try and source one that's cheaper and return this one. I wonder if They'll offer the X+1 which seems a bit more enticing to me.
First impressions: Boy this thing is small (4.7" compared to 6.4" Xperia Z Ultra). I don't know if I'll be able to get over that size difference, but I will use this for a few weeks and see how I feel. I actually get Sprint reception in my apartment which I was surprised about. I'm impressed so far with the WiFi calling feature. A lot more seamless and better quality than VoIP through native android dialer using an Anveo DID.
I don't see a point in unlocking the bootloader on this thing if I'll probably return it (would wait to spend that $45 on the other if I can source one), but I'd love to tinker with this and set things up to my liking. Is there a way for me to root/update with the ability to return this to bone stock to return to RW? Or must I do nothing to this device?
Poi25 said:
Just received the RW MotoX yesterday, it is on 4.2.2 which is nice. However, if I do end up staying with RW I'll probably try and source one that's cheaper and return this one. I wonder if They'll offer the X+1 which seems a bit more enticing to me.
First impressions: Boy this thing is small (4.7" compared to 6.4" Xperia Z Ultra). I don't know if I'll be able to get over that size difference, but I will use this for a few weeks and see how I feel. I actually get Sprint reception in my apartment which I was surprised about. I'm impressed so far with the WiFi calling feature. A lot more seamless and better quality than VoIP through native android dialer using an Anveo DID.
I don't see a point in unlocking the bootloader on this thing if I'll probably return it (would wait to spend that $45 on the other if I can source one), but I'd love to tinker with this and set things up to my liking. Is there a way for me to root/update with the ability to return this to bone stock to return to RW? Or must I do nothing to this device?
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Well you won't find one for that much cheaper. They are selling used for ~$200 on Swappa and slightly higher on eBay. The fact that you got one on 4.2.2 is excellent - you probably won't find a used one that's not already on 4.4.2. This means that you could follow the safestrap guide to disable write-protect and use the safestrap-compatible 4.4.2 ROM which is the next best thing to having an unlocked BL. Once updated to 4.4.2, you can kiss the possibility of using safestrap goodbye...
Additionally if you return it, you are out shipping costs (~$10), and you will lose your $20 referral credit. So at most you will get $70 for all of your troubles and have to deal with all the hassle along with it. Not to mention getting a USED phone with no warranty as opposed to the full 1YR warranty you got with your new device.
I agree it is small and I just LOVE it. I hate the "phablet" fad that is going on. Anything bigger than the X, I can't fit in my pants pocket comfortably. And I'm a dude....so I don't carry a purse to put some massive phone in.
Until you decide whether or not you are going to keep it, you can enjoy limited root access via "TowelPieRoot" here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/mot...ieroot-motorola-devices-t2825059/post54850209
(Remember to "THANK" @iKrYpToNiTe for his awesome work combining TR and PIE for an effective temp-root solution.) Keep in mind this solution does NOT disable write protect, so DON'T update past 4.2.2 if there is any possibility that you will keep the device. If you decide to keep it, you will HAVE to be on 4.2.2 to disable WP and gain persistent root and write access. Of course, don't do the safestrap procedures unless you decide to keep it.
No idea if they will offer the X+1...we might find out in September. I'm sticking with the original X. I don't like big phones....I just don't get the appeal. To each their own...
Have fun playing with it.
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Well you won't find one for that much cheaper. They are selling used for ~$200 on Swappa and slightly higher on eBay. The fact that you got one on 4.2.2 is excellent - you probably won't find a used one that's not already on 4.4.2. This means that you could follow the safestrap guide to disable write-protect and use the safestrap-compatible 4.4.2 ROM which is the next best thing to having an unlocked BL. Once updated to 4.4.2, you can kiss the possibility of using safestrap goodbye...
Additionally if you return it, you are out shipping costs (~$10), and you will lose your $20 referral credit. So at most you will get $70 for all of your troubles and have to deal with all the hassle along with it. Not to mention getting a USED phone with no warranty as opposed to the full 1YR warranty you got with your new device.
I agree it is small and I just LOVE it. I hate the "phablet" fad that is going on. Anything bigger than the X, I can't fit in my pants pocket comfortably. And I'm a dude....so I don't carry a purse to put some massive phone in.
Until you decide whether or not you are going to keep it, you can enjoy limited root access via "TowelPieRoot" here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/mot...ieroot-motorola-devices-t2825059/post54850209
(Remember to "THANK" @iKrYpToNiTe for his awesome work combining TR and PIE for an effective temp-root solution.) Keep in mind this solution does NOT disable write protect, so DON'T update past 4.2.2 if there is any possibility that you will keep the device. If you decide to keep it, you will HAVE to be on 4.2.2 to disable WP and gain persistent root and write access. Of course, don't do the safestrap procedures unless you decide to keep it.
No idea if they will offer the X+1...we might find out in September. I'm sticking with the original X. I don't like big phones....I just don't get the appeal. To each their own...
Have fun playing with it.
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Good points, will keep that in mind. Well if I decide to keep the device, I'd like to forgo the safestrap methods altogether and unlock the BL via the middleman. I can deal with having write protection for a few weeks, as I'll still be able to install Xposed and all the root apps, correct?
You mentioned safestrap, but I was under the impression I could skip that completely with BL unlock. Are you saying that the temp root solution will require me to use safestrap in the future?
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Good points, will keep that in mind. Well if I decide to keep the device, I'd like to forgo the safestrap methods altogether and unlock the BL via the middleman. I can deal with having write protection for a few weeks, as I'll still be able to install Xposed and all the root apps, correct?
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You will have serious problems trying to get Xposed to work without disabling WP. If you are able to use it, it will be lost upon reboot and you'll have to get it working again. It's complicated and messy trying to get Xposed working on a temp-root.
Most other root apps will work fine with TowelPieRoot. Ad-away will not as it requires write access to /system.
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You mentioned safestrap, but I was under the impression I could skip that completely with BL unlock. Are you saying that the temp root solution will require me to use safestrap in the future?
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Um..no. If you unlock via middleman, none of this is relevant. You don't need safestrap or any other exploit. You device will essentially be an unofficial "DEV" edition.
Safestrap is an alternative for people who are not unlocked. It provides most of the benefits of a full unlock, but you MUST have never updated to 4.4.2 or above or you cannot use it as it has been patched.
If you plan to unlock, don't worry about updating or safestrap. Thing is....the middleman has failed to get codes for some devices, so better to play it safe and stay on 4.2.2 until AFTER you get a code from him and unlock.
Regardless of what you do, the temp-root solution won't affect any of it. Safe to use in the meantime - until you make your final decisions.
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Regardless of what you do, the temp-root solution won't affect any of it. Safe to use in the meantime - until you make your final decisions.
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Great, that's what I wanted to know, and was planning on doing that (staying on 4.2.2 until I decide what to do). I disabled automatic update immediately and keep postponing update requests every 24 hours. Wish there was a way to remove the update prompt altogether.
Poi25 said:
Great, that's what I wanted to know, and was planning on doing that (staying on 4.2.2 until I decide what to do). I disabled automatic update immediately and keep postponing update requests every 24 hours. Wish there was a way to remove the update prompt altogether.
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There is....if you have purchased Titanium Backup, install it. Use TowelPieRoot to root, and then run Titanium Backup and "FREEZE" "MotorolaOTA". The paid version of TiBu is required to freeze apps.
No more update notifications. And if you get a code from the middleman in the future...well unlocking resets everything to factory defaults so you can update then.
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Until you decide whether or not you are going to keep it, you can enjoy limited root access via "TowelPieRoot" here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/mot...ieroot-motorola-devices-t2825059/post54850209
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Doesnt work.
Says Root Achieved within TowelRoot but SuperSU gives me error that binary cannot be installed amd TiBu gives me error regarding root access.
Poi25 said:
Doesnt work.
Says Root Achieved within TowelRoot but SuperSU gives me error that binary cannot be installed amd TiBu gives me error regarding root access.
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That's your problem. You don't use SuperSU with temp roots. Reboot, use TPR, and tibu should work without issue. Once don't this on several phones.. I know it works. Don't install SuperSU.
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That's your problem. You don't use SuperSU with temp roots. Reboot, use TPR, and tibu should work without issue. Once don't this on several phones.. I know it works. Don't install SuperSU.
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Negative. I only installed SuperSU after TiBu gave me the error. uninstalled both, reinstalled TPR, got root confirm, rebooted, and TiBu still saying:
sorry I could not acquire root privileges
Poi25 said:
Negative. I only installed SuperSU after TiBu gave me the error. uninstalled both, reinstalled TPR, got root confirm, rebooted, and TiBu still saying:
sorry I could not acquire root privileges
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Strange. The problem then could be that you are on 4.2.2.
TPR is for 4.4+
I've only used it on 4.4.2 on which it works flawlessly. That's my best guess.
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Strange. The problem then could be that you are on 4.2.2.
TPR is for 4.4+
I've only used it on 4.4.2 on which it works flawlessly. That's my best guess.
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Any other options? Or you think I should just deal with it for a few weeks until I make my decision?
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Any other options? Or you think I should just deal with it for a few weeks until I make my decision?
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You could use pwnmymoto. Technically it will void your warranty but as long as you do a full return to stock I doubt they could tell.
i bought a moto g 2014 yesterday and i wanna update to androi 5.0 LP but i dont know how to start... i had an iphone and im NEW with android...
its a 21.11.24.titan.niimx.niimx.en.MXniimx XT-1064, on stock conditions
please i know there is a loooooooot of posts about unlockbootloader etc etc but i didnt know what i have to do first
im on 0 please tell me what i have to doo, or put the links in order please to do all step by step.
Two options
1. Stay stock and wait for OTA
2. Go off the deep end and unlock/root and do it yourself
Keep in mind that unlocking your boot loader will most likely void any warrantee you may have.
If you are okay with that, the first thing you need to do is unlock the boot loader. Head over to Motorola.com and you will see a link for developers at the bottom, in there you will find a link to unlock...they are pretty simple and detailed instructions and should not take you more than 20 minutes if you are starting from scratch (I already have the adb tools on my computer and the whole unlocking process took me maybe 5 minutes).
Come back once you have that done for the next step
What do you recomend me? wait for OTA or do everything by myself? im from mexico and i dont know when motorola will relase the ota version
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Two options
1. Stay stock and wait for OTA
2. Go off the deep end and unlock/root and do it yourself
Keep in mind that unlocking your boot loader will most likely void any warrantee you may have.
If you are okay with that, the first thing you need to do is unlock the boot loader. Head over to Motorola.com and you will see a link for developers at the bottom, in there you will find a link to unlock...they are pretty simple and detailed instructions and should not take you more than 20 minutes if you are starting from scratch (I already have the adb tools on my computer and the whole unlocking process took me maybe 5 minutes).
Come back once you have that done for the next step
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That my friend is a decision you will have to make. For me, I figure the phone only cost 179.00 off contract. If something should happen to it, its not like I'm out too much...it would cost roughly the same as an insurance claim if I were using a more expensive device.
There are many benefits to rooting, but it does open the phone for you to make a mistake and render it useless as well.
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That my friend is a decision you will have to make. For me, I figure the phone only cost 179.00 off contract. If something should happen to it, its not like I'm out too much...it would cost roughly the same as an insurance claim if I were using a more expensive device.
There are many benefits to rooting, but it does open the phone for you to make a mistake and render it useless as well.
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Common sense helps a lot here
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i bought a moto g 2014 yesterday and i wanna update to androi 5.0 LP but i dont know how to start... i had an iphone and im NEW with android...
its a 21.11.24.titan.niimx.niimx.en.MXniimx XT-1064, on stock conditions
please i know there is a loooooooot of posts about unlockbootloader etc etc but i didnt know what i have to do first
im on 0 please tell me what i have to doo, or put the links in order please to do all step by step.
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I too recently switched from an iPhone 5 to the 2014 Moto X. The biggest thing is to keep things simple at first. As already recommended, keep things stock. Embrace the Google apps and ecosystem. I have also found to keep apps to a minimum to start off with. Only download and install the key apps that you need on a daily basis. The one thing I've noticed about Android, there's a higher chance of a random app causing additional battery drain. The fewer the apps installed, the less likely this is to happen. Also, I only use apps from well known developers.
After getting things setup, things should be similar. Email, Google Maps, web browsing are very similar. Multitasking is not a smooth on the Moto G (my guess the lack of RAM). But since the Lollipop update, I have found that I'm not missing anything from my iPhone.
Brice
I have gotten a few private messages plus some people have posted on the threads with the updates.
Do NOT update to 5.1.1 if you want to maintain root.
After days of tinkering, here are your possible outcomes (none of which are what you want):
A. Continuous soft reboot after upgrading via FlashFire updates.
B. Use ODIN to flash the system/boot partitions or properly done FlashFire update... Hoorah! You're on 5.1.1, but your fingerprint sensor and LTE are dead - plus no root.
C. You try to downgrade after B, and you no longer have signal under any circumstance.
Personally, I am now just going to flash the OI2 ODIN files in full and be done with it until a new root method is available. Sorry guys, I have tried everything that I can think of. As you can see above that something in the 5.1.1 kernel/system images require the latest bootloader which is what allows us to downgrade and get root from OE2 using PingPong.
There is a possibility of a new solution soon enough... see progress here for other models of S6: UniKernel
Yeah I ended up tripping knox in my attempts at working something out. Fortunately I was able to revert but thats only because I didn't dare try and flash the bootloader or modem. Man this is like a sick mind-game. I wish I would have had more experience with Samsung and AT&T before I bought this damn phone. This is my first phone on AT&T and my first Samsung. It was the perfect **** storm... I never anticipated this bull****, after this long... And I can't even get rid of the damn thing. Nobody wants it.
wesgarner said:
I have gotten a few private messages plus some people have posted on the threads with the updates.
Do NOT update to 5.1.1 if you want to maintain root.
After days of tinkering, here are your possible outcomes (none of which are what you want):
A. Continuous soft reboot after upgrading via FlashFire updates.
B. Use ODIN to flash the system/boot partitions or properly done FlashFire update... Hoorah! You're on 5.1.1, but your fingerprint sensor and LTE are dead - plus no root.
C. You try to downgrade after B, and you no longer have signal under any circumstance.
Personally, I am now just going to flash the OI2 ODIN files in full and be done with it until a new root method is available. Sorry guys, I have tried everything that I can think of. As you can see above that something in the 5.1.1 kernel/system images require the latest bootloader which is what allows us to downgrade and get root from OE2 using PingPong.
There is a possibility of a new solution soon enough... see progress here for other models of S6: UniKernel
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Forgive my ignorance here...I've not kept close track of the progress of unikernel. But it was my impression that without a custom recovery option, we are entirely SOL regarding custom kernels. Am I misunderstanding things, or did something change? I didn't see anything in the recent posts there that got my hopes up...
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Well technically you can flash the kernel using FlashFire however a screen will stop you from booting.. Says something about at&t detecting modified software on your device please take to repair center blah blah
timde9 said:
Well technically you can flash the kernel using FlashFire however a screen will stop you from booting.. Says something about at&t detecting modified software on your device please take to repair center blah blah
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Lol. Well not bootable is not useful! ?
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Gah! I don't even use custom roms. Stupid Textra App has this ****ty ghost notification that does not work on 5.0.x android. I would go to 5.1 unrooted but I just can't stand the thought of not being able to get rid of annoying notifications (wifi, etc). Plus all the custom easy hacks. So lame. Never going AT&T again. Why do they make it so difficult anyways? Tmobile doesn't.
They make the majority of their money from enterprise customers. These customers desire the locked bootloader as to avoid security risks. Since this is AT&T's main source of profit this is their main consideration. In short this phone and its software was not designed with our consumer use cases in mind. We are merely an after thought. I have waited too long I am jumping ship, just ordered a Moto X Pure and as soon as it gets here I am leaving this phone behind. Had it since launch and haven't been able to accomplish my original intention since then. Never buying from AT&T and also I am staying far away from anything with an Exynos chipset. Touch Wiz is a lag fest nightmare. For this to be pretty much the most powerful chip in the mobile space and to experience such a lag on it is truly unnerving. Samsung is all too eager to jump the Android band wagon all together and probably intend to do so as soon as they feel their tizen offerings stack up. And I sincerely hope they fail miserably. They are a good hardware company but they should just give up on software. They just don't get it at all.
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Yeah I ended up tripping knox in my attempts at working something out. Fortunately I was able to revert but thats only because I didn't dare try and flash the bootloader or modem. Man this is like a sick mind-game. I wish I would have had more experience with Samsung and AT&T before I bought this damn phone. This is my first phone on AT&T and my first Samsung. It was the perfect **** storm... I never anticipated this bull****, after this long... And I can't even get rid of the damn thing. Nobody wants it.
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Amen. Well said. Bravo.... I feel your pain. My first real SmartPhone was the Fire Phone with AT&T, exactly a year ago, and I took its enema for 10+ months before I finally decided to just add payments for the S6 and finally have a good phone I could root. So now I'm paying for both, and the more I search for help and answers on here, the more I feel like my kind aren't welcome. Not by the community, but by ATT and Samsung. Gee thanks.
Well, at least I have a new phone... I'm totally down to build and burn a 5.1.1 effigy with you, if you want.
Well I have already given up on this phone. See my post above. My sister has already agreed to take over the line and the phone payment and I just bought a Moto X Pure outright yesterday. Just waiting for it to arrive now.
I've been thinking of just doing an Odin back to stock (unrooted) and OTA update up to the newest 5.1.1 on my 925a for a week or so now. For anyone that is already on OI2, how is it working out for you? Is the phone still slow at times? Does the memory issues still exist?
I recall seeing an app a little while ago that is able to freeze/disable apps without root. What was that app? Has anyone tried doing something like this? How did it work out?
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I've been thinking of just doing an Odin back to stock (unrooted) and OTA update up to the newest 5.1.1 on my 925a for a week or so now. For anyone that is already on OI2, how is it working out for you? Is the phone still slow at times? Does the memory issues still exist?
I recall seeing an app a little while ago that is able to freeze/disable apps without root. What was that app? Has anyone tried doing something like this? How did it work out?
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Package disabler. Works like a charm.
anneoneamouse said:
Package disabler. Works like a charm.
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Thanks! Is it the "for Samsung" one? or do you have another one in mind?
How is OI2 working out for you?
Don't have oi2, I have an s6 active, no update yet.
Is the fix for Safetynet still spoofing older Pixel models?
If I were to upgrade to Android 12 and root would I want to be formally enrolled in the Android 12 Beta program? Would that probably be dependent on whether I choose to run official or custom firmware?
I'm currently running unrooted stock OS Android 11 on an unlocked Pixel 5 purchased directly from Google. I haven't rooted my phone since I owned a Samsung Galaxy S3. I have rooted all my Android tablets and even played with root temporarily on my Verizon Samsung S6 in the meantime. I guess what I am trying to say is; I'm pretty comfortable with wiping, rooting, flashing roms and working with recoveries as well as bootloaders. I'm aware of the OEM Unlock/Lock feature. Is there anything else new like the OEM Unlock that I should be aware of before I take the leap to root? I initially intended to root my Pixel 5 right away. The timing of it's arrival was actually great for me but poor for my ambitions of rooting in that it arrived about five days early and I ended up breaking my own leg and ankle two days before it was initially scheduled to arrive and thus ended up postponing my plans to root since I did not want to tinker with all this stuff while taking copious amounts of medically prescribed painkillers. Thanks for any answers, advice or other help.
I'm not sure about the Android 12 beta program but as long as you follow the rooting guides step by step, you should be alright.