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I was just wondering why the Razr i has 2 separate developmet forums, as in RAZR i Original Android Development and RAZR i Android Development?
I just find this really confusing and am always clicking the wrong link. I can't help but think this may be slightly hindering development. The Pillama ROM is one of a few threads that have been duplicated which means information is hard to find with it being in two places.
Anyway, not sure where to post it but maybe replying to this thread or clicking thanks in the bottom left will mean that both forums can be combined, if anyone else agrees?
Re: [Q] Why have 2 separate development forums, it's just annoying!
Agreed
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agreed,i think its USELESS!
Re: [Q] Why have 2 separate development forums, it's just annoying!
Agreed, agreed
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Re: [Q] Why have 2 separate development forums, it's just annoying!
One is mods and the other is original work? Or at least I assumed that was the intention. Reality seems to be not enough traffic to warrant both anyway.
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Re: [Q] Why have 2 separate development forums, it's just annoying!
Couldn't agree more
Glad we are on the same wavelength, does anyone have any idea who to ask to change it?
I have sent an email to the webmaster with a link to this thread, I'l let you know what happens.
I've sent this to the webmaster, see what happens.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2214946
Hello, on the above link I have asked members if they like having two forums with a very similar topic (RAZR i Android Development and RAZR i Original Android Development). The answer has been that people agree that it is confusing and possibly slowing down progress of development for this phone.
I am always clicking the wrong link and am unsure of the purpose of the two forums and am wondering if it is in fact a mistake? Current work and development is even beginning to be duplicated (Pillama). It would be great if the two forums could be combined and I write this email in the hope this could be done.
I look forward to hearing from you,
regards, Cuben.
Re: [Q] Why have 2 separate development forums, it's just annoying!
Its confusing i agree.
In the original android its stock android from OEM, just thats why root and unlocking bootloader its there, no changes as how it work.
In android development its for mods and such things (roms, kernels, etc)
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It's very confusing and counter-productive.
Agreed.
Hello, here is the reply from the webmaster:
Hi,
this is not a mistake. Most devices have both of these subforums.
Please read this article for more information: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/introducing-original-development-forums-for-more-devices/
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People seemed to support it originally. I'll ask if it can be removed on our forum - don't hold your breath tho!
Here's my reply to "webmaster"
Hi, thank for the reply. the thread here has a unanimous agreement of general confusion from the multiple forums from junior members, senior members and developers. I / we were wondering if the two forums could be combined?
I have started a poll on the thread, if the community could make this choice this would be great.
Regards, Cuben.
Guys, this is a site-wide forum structure. All fourms have this. We generally won't change our forum structure just to suit one small device.
To save me explaining it fully, allow me to quote from that article:
Original Development is for:
Official releases of highly original and upstream custom ROMs (built from the ground up with significant original development within them
Official releases/development of such original ROMs, perhaps posted by the maintainer or their nominated person.
A significant “first” in development for a device. Significant is subjective, but it is likely something which took considerable time/effort, and is generally accepted by developers to be significant and non-trivial.
Kernels which are built with beneficial changes that are not simply pulled from other kernels already available. Some element of original work is expected.
Tools and utilities with a clear purpose, and which are well-made, and useful to users. They should have an element of originality, either in purpose or through significant improvement in the means of operation.
Significant port of a ROM from one device to another, giving enhanced features or functionality to users of the target device. The port should be beneficial (a port from two virtually identical devices isn’t original development, it’s winzipping, and nobody really benefits from this, as it’s not development)
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The following are most likely not “Original Development”, and should be posted in the “Android Development” subforum:
Your own “unofficial” stock build of your favourite original, source-built (or otherwise) ROM, particularly where an official or maintainer-endorsed thread exists already.
Minor derivatives of other ROMs with little or no changes, or ROMs consisting of “placebo” features as a main constituent or claim.
Renames or rebadges of others’ work – these don’t belong on XDA at all! Refer to rule 12 for more information.
Reposts of existing ROMs with small changes (i.e. kitchen work, such as adding a couple of apps). If you could realistically distribute your changes as an “addon pack” above and beyond a ROM, you should do so. In addition, your “ROM” would not be original development as it would be substantially identical to the original ROM.
A thread created with unrealistic goals that are clearly unachievable by those starting the thread. This is not intended to discourage high aspirations, rather to prevent threads porting Windows Phone 8 to the HTC Wallaby. This is pretty much common sense.
A ROM where a main or significant claim/feature is graphical changes to the user interface (ie. Themed ROM)[
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First and foremost, this structure is here for our developers. Developers are what make XDA Developers possible and this was done as a compromise to allow their work to be better classified.
At the end of the day, it's not too difficult to look in two separate forums, depending on what you are looking for.
the_scotsman said:
Guys, this is a site-wide forum structure. All fourms have this. We generally won't change our forum structure just to suit one small device.
To save me explaining it fully, allow me to quote from that article:
Original Development is for:
The following are most likely not “Original Development”, and should be posted in the “Android Development” subforum:
First and foremost, this structure is here for our developers. Developers are what make XDA Developers possible and this was done as a compromise to allow their work to be better classified.
At the end of the day, it's not too difficult to look in two separate forums, depending on what you are looking for.
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Motorola Defy Forum dont have this structure..
diogo.sena said:
Motorola Defy Forum dont have this structure..
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Neither does HTC Sensation
Phones older than july doesn't have this structure on their forums...
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We can ask to move all threads from one forum to another, and stop using the first..
diogo.sena said:
We can ask to move all threads from one forum to another, and stop using the first..
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Yea, that's what I'm hoping for. I think we'd need quite a few more on the poll. Once it levels out I'll contact the webmaster with our democratic vote!
My reply to the poll is as follows:
Hello, I wondered if it would be worth asking you to look at the forum below when you get chance.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2214946&page=2
There are now 24 people unanimously voting to combine the two forums.
let me know the outcome, I personally think the forum has spoken. Let me know if you require any more to change the forums into one. If the forums are to remain separate then that would be a shame as I see no reason or desire for the separation. I think the general view (certainly for our small development) is that the two separate forums cause confusion and impede development.
Regard, John
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Hopefully we'll have the forums combined. I'm not sure what else would be needed if this unanimous vote isn't enough.
I've been coming to XDA for quite some time now, but recently its been getting out of hand. It has become extremely difficult to follow certain threads because the pointless arguments have drastically increased the amount of pages that I have to filter through. Even using the search function has been useless at times because quotes and responses are often directed towards a single comment. Sometimes it takes a few pages for these back and forth attacks to end.
I have reached the point where I don't flash nightly ROMs because I don't want to filter through twenty pages of arguments and insults. I simply move from stable release to stable release. At least with those I know there isn't as many bugs and I do not have to search for many solutions. In my opinion, this ruins one of the aspects of being a nexus owner. If anything has altered my experience with my nexus 4, it has been the few individuals that choose to insult everything and everyone in these threads. I understand everyone is entitled to their own opinion and we must all respect that, but that does not mean that anyone is entitled to insult another member in this forum because they disagree with your opinion or your preference in hardware or software.
I posted this thread in the nexus 4 general section because I cannot speak in regards to other forums. I enjoy the opportunities and the idea of XDA, but I feel we, the general members, stray from the main point of XDA. I know this is contradictory to my plea, but I honestly want to improve the XDA experience. If it must be locked I understand, but part of my philosophy is to find a solution if something is not working as it should. Thanks for the time and I hope that my plea makes some difference.
Good luck,
The Penguin
The.Penguin said:
I've been coming to XDA for quite some time now, but recently its been getting out of hand. It has become extremely difficult to follow certain threads because the pointless arguments have drastically increased the amount of pages that I have to filter through. Even using the search function has been useless at times because quotes and responses are often directed towards a single comment. Sometimes it takes a few pages for these back and forth attacks to end.
I have reached the point where I don't flash nightly ROMs because I don't want to filter through twenty pages of arguments and insults. I simply move from stable release to stable release. At least with those I know there isn't as many bugs and I do not have to search for many solutions. In my opinion, this ruins one of the aspects of being a nexus owner. If anything has altered my experience with my nexus 4, it has been the few individuals that choose to insult everything and everyone in these threads. I understand everyone is entitled to their own opinion and we must all respect that, but that does not mean that anyone is entitled to insult another member in this forum because they disagree with your opinion or your preference in hardware or software.
I posted this thread in the nexus 4 general section because I cannot speak in regards to other forums. I enjoy the opportunities and the idea of XDA, but I feel we, the general members, stray from the main point of XDA. I know this is contradictory to my plea, but I honestly want to improve the XDA experience. If it must be locked I understand, but part of my philosophy is to find a solution if something is not working as it should. Thanks for the time and I hope that my plea makes some difference.
Good luck,
The Penguin
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Agreed it's getting tiring see 5 responses to a simple question telling them to post in the right spot.
Nah.
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many have tried, many have failed..whatever xda tries there will always be someone else not reading the OP or just simply not doing the proper research before posting a question...as regarding arguments again if people reported instead of responding back then things would not get out of hand as the mods here are very responsive to reports specially if people flagged them up as important....
The.Penguin said:
I've been coming to XDA for quite some time now, but recently its been getting out of hand. It has become extremely difficult to follow certain threads because the pointless arguments have drastically increased the amount of pages that I have to filter through. Even using the search function has been useless at times because quotes and responses are often directed towards a single comment. Sometimes it takes a few pages for these back and forth attacks to end.
I have reached the point where I don't flash nightly ROMs because I don't want to filter through twenty pages of arguments and insults. I simply move from stable release to stable release. At least with those I know there isn't as many bugs and I do not have to search for many solutions. In my opinion, this ruins one of the aspects of being a nexus owner. If anything has altered my experience with my nexus 4, it has been the few individuals that choose to insult everything and everyone in these threads. I understand everyone is entitled to their own opinion and we must all respect that, but that does not mean that anyone is entitled to insult another member in this forum because they disagree with your opinion or your preference in hardware or software.
I posted this thread in the nexus 4 general section because I cannot speak in regards to other forums. I enjoy the opportunities and the idea of XDA, but I feel we, the general members, stray from the main point of XDA. I know this is contradictory to my plea, but I honestly want to improve the XDA experience. If it must be locked I understand, but part of my philosophy is to find a solution if something is not working as it should. Thanks for the time and I hope that my plea makes some difference.
Good luck,
The Penguin
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I fail to understand how flashing nightly has to do with reading the comments. Just flash and ignore the comments.
It is now necessary to browse through all those arguments to find the right fixes for the bugs in nightlies.
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OP I understand your thoughts, but honestly this is why the reporting system is there, if a thread has such posts Members should report it and violations of Forum Rules should without hesitation be reported. And yes there are times the not needed posts within threads are present, again pointing it out via the reporting system and or PM a Moderator can help in these events. Thank you for your thoughts and input...
Jeez XDA, still no dedicated forum for Chromecast? With its current sell out & continued interest you'd think there would already be a dedicated forum here.
Then again, why am I surprised at XDA being slow on the uptake lol!
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Jeez XDA, still no dedicated forum for Chromecast? With its current sell out & continued interest you'd think there would already be a dedicated forum here.
Then again, why am I surprised at XDA being slow on the uptake lol!
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Umm you posted in the dedicated forum for Chromecast
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Umm you posted in the dedicated forum for Chromecast
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Really? No Dev section, no general, etc... "Umm" your definition of a dedicated forum and mine appear to differ.
It's only been out for a weekend. Many people that ordered the first day still havent even received theres (myself included). Give it a week or so. It's already been rooted and people are figuring out work-arounds to do what they want with it. Until there's actually mods to make to the device, it probably want get a dedicated section.
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But I sure that xda forum is a dedicated forum where all persons can share any new information or problems. I will say thanks to xda forum for aware the informations of dedicated developers. I also visited CSS Chopper where a number of results always found the dedication of developers.
I asked about here but no response.
To the Mods who insist on closing what they consider "banned" threads:
Please consider the large portion of users of certain ROMs that are no longer in development due to issues beyond users' control. It is not their fault that a Dev decided to do something stupid. Discussions on these ROMs is necessary to help our community work to make our phones better. By not allowing any discussions at all on this, you are pretty much screwing all of us. I implore you to please reopen those closed threads and/or allow discussion on all ROMs that may or may not have been "tainted" by certain issues with "bad" developers. Thanks.
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To the Mods who insist on closing what they consider "banned" threads:
Please consider the large portion of users of certain ROMs that are no longer in development due to issues beyond users' control. It is not their fault that a Dev decided to do something stupid. Discussions on these ROMs is necessary to help our community work to make our phones better. By not allowing any discussions at all on this, you are pretty much screwing all of us. I implore you to please reopen those closed threads and/or allow discussion on all ROMs that may or may not have been "tainted" by certain issues with "bad" developers. Thanks.
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The person who released the rom was banned and accused of scamming xda users. Why would xda want to support that by allowing discussion of his work? I believe xda recommends removing his work, or seek support elsewhere.
By allowing discussion and support of these ROMs, we would be allowing people to be possibly exposed to malicious software. We do not know what, if anything could have been added to the ROMs so it is safer to just remove them all together. It is apparent that the intent was malicious and we do not want any further issues to arise from it. Also, we might be subjected to some backlash from the "developer" because it is his work, and he could say or could have already said we are not allowed to use it or support it.
Something that people fail to realize is there is a method to the madness. It's better to be safe than sorry.
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By allowing discussion and support of these ROMs, we would be allowing people to be possibly exposed to malicious software. We do not know what, if anything could have been added to the ROMs so it is safer to just remove them all together. It is apparent that the intent was malicious and we do not want any further issues to arise from it. Also, we might be subjected to some backlash from the "developer" because it is his work, and he could say or could have already said we are not allowed to use it or support it.
Something that people fail to realize is there is a method to the madness. It's better to be safe than sorry.
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With all due respect, I was, in no way suggesting supporting such ROMs or devs, nor did I mention any such thing. I am merely recommending that discussion of them should be allowed with regards on what to do now that they are no longer supported. I fully understand the implications of what bad things could happen, however a blanket "all discussions are banned - period!" is not good, and I think discussion is necessary to move on and away from potentially bad ROMs and evil devs. Just my $.02
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By allowing discussion and support of these ROMs, we would be allowing people to be possibly exposed to malicious software. We do not know what, if anything could have been added to the ROMs so it is safer to just remove them all together. It is apparent that the intent was malicious and we do not want any further issues to arise from it. Also, we might be subjected to some backlash from the "developer" because it is his work, and he could say or could have already said we are not allowed to use it or support it.
Something that people fail to realize is there is a method to the madness. It's better to be safe than sorry.
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I was scammed, I have seen some of the evidence and I agree with the actions xda took.
I wish I had detected the scam sooner. I wish xda had detected it sooner.
I wish I could redirect my donations to a legitimate developer. To me, donations partially compensate for what I cannot yet contribute technically.
I feel stupid and abused by an individual who had no business being here.
Part of what I do is complex embedded firmware and dsp coding. My credits go back as far as the Air Communicator (1995). One of the first integrated cellular data phones.
I join Institutions of knowledge and teaching like xda to learn and improve my tools. Organizations like xda can be destroyed by injecting Comercial schemes where they do not belong.
Altruistic donations to legitimate developers have no doubt been harmed at a minimum.
At some point I will begin developing for the Android platform as well. I hope xda will still be there when I can give back what the community has contributed to me.
My pressing near term question is where can I learn how to safely get off the knoxraid 5.6 platform?
Not that I am qualified to run it, but may I respectfully suggest a thread on how to move off this rom and onto a legitimate developer's work.
I propose the objective would be ONLY moving off, support of Knoxraid would be forbidden.
Respectfully submitted for your consideration,
Kent Kernahan
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kentk said:
I was scammed, I have seen some of the evidence and I agree with the actions xda took.
I wish I had detected the scam sooner. I wish xda had detected it sooner.
I wish I could redirect my donations to a legitimate developer. To me, donations partially compensate for what I cannot yet contribute technically.
I feel stupid and abused by an individual who had no business being here.
Part of what I do is complex embedded firmware and dsp coding. My credits go back as far as the Air Communicator (1995). One of the first integrated cellular data phones.
I join Institutions of knowledge and teaching like xda to learn and improve my tools. Organizations like xda can be destroyed by injecting Comercial schemes where they do not belong.
Altruistic donations to legitimate developers have no doubt been harmed at a minimum.
At some point I will begin developing for the Android platform as well. I hope xda will still be there when I can give back what the community has contributed to me.
My pressing near term question is where can I learn how to safely get off the knoxraid 5.6 platform?
Not that I am qualified to run it, but may I respectfully suggest a thread on how to move off this rom and onto a legitimate developer's work.
I propose the objective would be ONLY moving off, support of Knoxraid would be forbidden.
Respectfully submitted for your consideration,
Kent Kernahan
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There is a new KK ROM available and another soon to pop up. All you do is upgrade your SS to the latest that supports KK now with and flash one of those ROMs.
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I think what should be done is that a mod should create a stickied thread to be monitored closely, including instructions for how to move from the rom in question to a safe rom. That way it spreads knowledge that the rom is unsafe, to get rid of it, and with instructions to replace so people arent floundering
There is an easy method. Revert to MJ5 thread.
There does not need to be a discussion or a thread involved. It is that simple. The thread is located in the general section.
There are other methods, like what I said above as well. Why do we need a dedicated thread?
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There is an easy method. Revert to MJ5 thread.
There does not need to be a discussion or a thread involved. It is that simple. The thread is located in the general section.
There are other methods, like what I said above as well. Why do we need a dedicated thread?
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You have a point, but the only reason i make the suggestion is that you and I both know damn well no one reads anything but the first post of any thread lol. It may not require an actual thread for discussion (as, there indeed is nothing to be discussed further on the topic), but maybe at least a closed sticky to serve as a public service announcement that will grab peoples eye before they go posting 9 million more annoying threads or responses to irrelevant threads asking about it.
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actually I have a better idea. what if a mod were to edit the thread in the dev section to say something along the lines of "this developement no longer supported by XDA, we suggest moving to another rom/etc here are the current threads for instructions"
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To the Mods who insist on closing what they consider "banned" threads:
Please consider the large portion of users of certain ROMs that are no longer in development due to issues beyond users' control. It is not their fault that a Dev decided to do something stupid. Discussions on these ROMs is necessary to help our community work to make our phones better. By not allowing any discussions at all on this, you are pretty much screwing all of us. I implore you to please reopen those closed threads and/or allow discussion on all ROMs that may or may not have been "tainted" by certain issues with "bad" developers. Thanks.
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I implore you to explain to me how, without the developer, discussion of your issues will lead to a resolution?
He is not allowed here and after being banned, as such neither are his works. This isn't unusual and he was not singled out.
Especially in this instance, where he was scamming users for money for devices that he later sold for, you guessed it, even more money...
Users are not being punished by us closing the threads, they're being protected from further abuse and scams. If you're looking to give your money away, I know of a lot of deserving charities that will actually put it to good use.
So, sorry but his threads will remain closed, and this one will also.
Hi everybody
Thaere is ONE best kernel for notr 4 exynos called "ultimte kernel"
Do u know why it closed ????
Whyyyyyy
Same happened with the AEL kernel in the Snapdragon area (incl their rom). Seems that XDA is overwhelmed by the huge amount of developers for the Note 4 that they want to clean up the areas of bit. Who ever finds the irony can keep it. Now we have one last kernel developer for our devices. Ridiculous. That's not the expected development I hoped for. In this case I could go with a cheaper device without any developers because we don't have much more as well. But we'll, whatever. I'm sure the XDA crew has their reasons.
because of the Rules and Regulations
What rules and regs??what happened
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because of the Rules and Regulations
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what ????
what roles r u talking about ?????
that was the #1 kernel for Exynos , what should we do now !!!
gdonanthony said:
because of the Rules and Regulations
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Same happened with the AEL kernel in the Snapdragon area (incl their rom). Seems that XDA is overwhelmed by the huge amount of developers for the Note 4 that they want to clean up the areas of bit. Who ever finds the irony can keep it. Now we have one last kernel developer for our devices. Ridiculous. That's not the expected development I hoped for. In this case I could go with a cheaper device without any developers because we don't have much more as well. But we'll, whatever. I'm sure the XDA crew has their reasons.
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so this thread is acording to a Dictator rules !!!
how can find them , anyone nows any web site ?
@mehdi.moha
use 4PDA Thread or use Perseus Kernel or StockRider Kernel
just search for the name of the kernel or rom you're looking for in google and you'll find it if its elsewhere than XDA.
Echoe staff disagreed with a moderator on XDA, so they voluntarily left and made their own website. unfortunately this went against an XDA rule, and their XDA content has been locked.
Threads get closed for a variety of reasons, sometimes as is the case with Echoe ROMs, it was the decision of the developer. Sometimes, the moderators close the thread because there are problems with it. Typically the moderator staff can not discuss why we closed a particular thread, because that would violate the privacy of the OP. xda is a development site and we do not close development threads with out a good reason and "excercising our dictatorial skills" is not considered a good reason!
Closed is one thing. But "Discontinued" in thread title is misleading.