Is encryption borked? - X 2014 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

So I turned on encryption today and it took about 5-10 to complete, yet it never asked for a password. I don't use key or gesture based passwords so it's kinda weird? Why would it encrypt without a password?
I've done some googling and it seems the default pass it "default_password". But that one doesn't work. I've done the same with my N7 2013 with the same story and my Optimus G test device does exactly the same.
It this a CM or TWRP bug since all my devices run both?
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Sounds like a CM bug. In stock android when you encrypt it will ask you to choose a password or pin.
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I see... Guess I'll just have to wipe the devices then and start over as I was planning on doing a clean install with october releases anyway.
Anyhow, I assume running stock is my only choice then? I'll start traveling around next month so having that extra layer of security is quite important in case anything happens.

PixelVixen said:
I see... Guess I'll just have to wipe the devices then and start over as I was planning on doing a clean install with october releases anyway.
Anyhow, I assume running stock is my only choice then? I'll start traveling around next month so having that extra layer of security is quite important in case anything happens.
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I don't know if stock is your only choice. You would have to test various roms to see if it works. I just know stock works correctly because I just use a stock rom.
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Phone Encryption FYI

4.4 KitKat still has the same bug as previous releases as far as encrypting the phone goes. I had to attempt the process 4 times before the phone would actually encrypt. The first 3 times the Green Android popped up, but the phone didn't reboot to the "Encrypting Phone..." progress screen, it just went back to the lock screen. 4th time was a charm, so keep trying if it doesn't work for you.
Ronaldo Forenucci said:
4.4 KitKat still has the same bug as previous releases as far as encrypting the phone goes. I had to attempt the process 4 times before the phone would actually encrypt. The first 3 times the Green Android popped up, but the phone didn't reboot to the "Encrypting Phone..." progress screen, it just went back to the lock screen. 4th time was a charm, so keep trying if it doesn't work for you.
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You using a custom recovery or stock?
Mine encrypted on the first try ...
Encrypting naturally makes the phone a tad bit slow though no? And to decrypt you have to do factory reset
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secondclaw said:
Mine encrypted on the first try ...
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Stock recovery?
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uh60james said:
Stock recovery?
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Yes, rooted only, but no other changes.
I've never had a problem encrypting with any recovery (CWM, TWRP, or stock), probably because it never boots to recovery while encrypting. It's probably a ROM issue.
Hey guys,
did you notice any significant performance impact after encrypting your N5?
How does an (stock) update work on encrypted N5? Do I have to wipe the phone prior to any update?
Just so you guys know there is a bug with kitkat encryption that will wipe your entire phone. Make backups of all the data you're keeping on your phone if you're going to encrypt. There's been a few users that have reported loosing everything due to encryption wiping out their phones. Just a friendly warning to whoever wants to encrypt.
Encryption does not slow down the performance. Only boots up slightly slower. Once you go through the password or pin, everything is decrypted until you lock your phone again.
I remember once you encrypt though...can't decrypt or need to reinstall stock.
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my n5 was very picky about which cable and charger I was using before it would start the encryption process, with a N7 and a asus T100, it was hard to figure out which charger goes with which device.
Haven't noticed any particular slowdown since encrypting, except at boot.
The only thing I hated was not being able to use pattern unlock, using a PIN sucks. I worked around that by making a twrp backup right before the encryption process, change the security to PIN so encryption will work, then once it's done, boot into TWRP (which makes you enter the PIN to read inside the encrypted container), then restore the backup without wiping. So now I have a good length pin at bootup or entering twrp, pattern unlock for daily use. Maybe trading a little bit of security for convenience, but entering a 10+ character pin multiple times per day just isn't very usable.
I think it's the battery. The os shows another percentage than the recovery calculates. After some additional minutes of charging i hadn't that problem anymore. Thats just my opinion
I know that it is not possible to decrypt the data and that a factory reset is necessary to remove encryption.
I am just wondering if I can still update my system if I encrypt my phone?
What exactly is encrypted? Only /data?
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Encryption does not affect the OTA update or any kind of updates that push out offically. Phone itself decrypts once you go through personal lock screen. Since you can only update during unlocked stage, you won't have problem updating. It does encrypt everything except the media files such as videos, music's and etc. Correct me if I'm wrong though...
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How long do you use the encryption now?
Do OTA updates still work?
Does adb work from TWRP recovery?
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Just so you guys know there is a bug with kitkat encryption that will wipe your entire phone. Make backups of all the data you're keeping on your phone if you're going to encrypt. There's been a few users that have reported loosing everything due to encryption wiping out their phones. Just a friendly warning to whoever wants to encrypt.
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Wish I had seen this!
[email protected] POS wiped EVERYTHING on my phone when I tried to encrypt.....EVERYTHING.
Was on latest TWRP, KangaKat and ElementalX
FAck U GOOGLE!
Globespy said:
Wish I had seen this!
[email protected] POS wiped EVERYTHING on my phone when I tried to encrypt.....EVERYTHING.
Was on latest TWRP, KangaKat and ElementalX
FAck U GOOGLE!
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Ye when your phone running custom recovery, rom and kernel doesn't behave as intended, it's obviously Google's fault...
Seriously, if you change anything software related, you lose the right to blame the manufacturer.
I've heard of random passwords being generated so the user has to factory reset. Is this true????
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Thinking about lollipop upgrade

im pretty happy with kk, but i do want to be on 5.0, so i just wanted to make a few thing clear first.
1. if anything goes wrong with flashing a captured ota, how to restore my kk as it is now? will simply restoring a twrp backup do the trick on any stock rom?
2. where can i find the stock rom? the motorola site links arent working for me.
3. the quicksettings panel. is there a way/mod/app/ that will let me pull down quicksettings with one swipe like on cm and with gravitybox?
4.i really like to be able to customize the quicksettings, is that possible?
5. are there any bugs that seriously affect most users?
i am planning to root immediately so root only mods are fine.
im on a rooted unlocked bootloader xt1063,
thanks for your time,!
1. Just flash the stock ROM via fastboot.
2. I guess are some links on the Development section.
3. in 5.0, unfortunately not.
4. I guess no :/
5. Only a bootloop that happens with the newest versions of SuperSU (the only versions that works with 5.0), no major bugs..
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thanks for your fast response
is there a fix for said bootloop yet? can you show me a link?
Kobro said:
thanks for your fast response
is there a fix for said bootloop yet? can you show me a link?
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When I ran into that problem I just hard reset (hold power button until it reboots) then let it run the course. After another reboot it came up to the lock screen and all was well. I have not had any issues since.
That said, I suspect if I had just left it for a few minutes without the hard reset it would have been fine. My tendency (as is the case with most people in these forums) is to be impatient, and jump the gun before things are completed.
The first reboot after installing Lollipop takes a while so don't get impatient.
I am using an XT1063.
pastorbob62 said:
When I ran into that problem I just hard reset (hold power button until it reboots) then let it run the course. After another reboot it came up to the lock screen and all was well. I have not had any issues since.
That said, I suspect if I had just left it for a few minutes without the hard reset it would have been fine. My tendency (as is the case with most people in these forums) is to be impatient, and jump the gun before things are completed.
The first reboot after installing Lollipop takes a while so don't get impatient.
I am using an XT1063.
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lol im no noob to flashing roms and updates, i am new to lollipop
thanks so much for your info, it is very helpful.
Kobro said:
lol im no noob to flashing roms and updates, i am new to lollipop
thanks so much for your info, it is very helpful.
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I wasn't implying you were a noob, just sharing my experience with you since you asked the question. Every device has its own quirks and idiosyncrasies. And I have seen posts from people with apparent considerable experience that displays much impatience.
Kobro said:
3. the quicksettings panel. is there a way/mod/app/ that will let me pull down quicksettings with one swipe like on cm and with gravitybox?
4.i really like to be able to customize the quicksettings, is that possible?
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Try pulling down with two fingers instead of one- I've heard that this is the shortcut for the quick settings. (I don't have a device w/ 5 to try.) I think Google has also made the tiles in the quick settings dynamic and "smart" based on what you use most often. I tend to prefer having a static view and knowing exactly which ones are present (and in the same place!), but I won't know until I actually use it more.
I have the US GSM variant (XT1064) which came preloaded with 21.11.23. The OTA I've found only applies to 21.11.17 (the original release), and I've not had any luck downgrading. Good luck in your Lollipop quest!
Flash custom rom and enjoy lollipop
pastorbob62 said:
I wasn't implying you were a noob, just sharing my experience with you since you asked the question. Every device has its own quirks and idiosyncrasies. And I have seen posts from people with apparent considerable experience that displays much impatience.
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your right for stating everything clearly, my bad
anomalyconcept said:
Try pulling down with two fingers instead of one- I've heard that this is the shortcut for the quick settings. (I don't have a device w/ 5 to try.) I think Google has also made the tiles in the quick settings dynamic and "smart" based on what you use most often. I tend to prefer having a static view and knowing exactly which ones are present (and in the same place!), but I won't know until I actually use it more.
I have the US GSM variant (XT1064) which came preloaded with 21.11.23. The OTA I've found only applies to 21.11.17 (the original release), and I've not had any luck downgrading. Good luck in your Lollipop quest!
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yes that works, and has been since 4.3, on my custom rom devices it just is not so comfortable on a 5" device i was thinking more of something like pull down from right.
these responses motorola about the model xt1068
Catherine: Hi, my name is Catherine. How may I help you?
ENRICO: good morning
are to hold model xt1068, I wanted to know when will the update to Android 5
Catherine: Hi, at the moment we do not have a release date for Lollipop in Europe. It is currently going through testing before release but we are working hard to get it out as soon as possible. You can find the latest information at http://www.motorola.com/updates
ENRICO: thanks
Catherine: No problem, is there anything else that I can help you with?
ENRICO: no thanks
Catherine: Ok, have a nice day!
ENRICO:
pastorbob62 said:
When I ran into that problem I just hard reset (hold power button until it reboots) then let it run the course. After another reboot it came up to the lock screen and all was well. I have not had any issues since.
That said, I suspect if I had just left it for a few minutes without the hard reset it would have been fine. My tendency (as is the case with most people in these forums) is to be impatient, and jump the gun before things are completed.
The first reboot after installing Lollipop takes a while so don't get impatient.
I am using an XT1063.
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just wanted to let you know, i have successfully flashed lollipop, rooted with twrp, run into the bootloop, found a solution in the general forum, (wipe cache and dalvik) and voila rooted 5.0
thanks for all your input.
Kobro said:
just wanted to let you know, i have successfully flashed lollipop, rooted with twrp, run into the bootloop, found a solution in the general forum, (wipe cache and dalvik) and voila rooted 5.0
thanks for all your input.
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Don't need it now, but good to know should I have to reflash in the future. Thanks for the info. :good:

Which ROMs have OTA updates?

Aside from Euphoria are there any others that currently have OTA updates? I ask mostly because there are some out there which I have not seen on XDA.
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smodom said:
Aside from Euphoria are there any others that currently have OTA updates? I ask mostly because there are some out there which I have not seen on XDA.
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Simple answer... None. Only stock can accept updates. Once you modify anything in the system or boot partition , game over for OTA.
obsanity said:
Simple answer... None. Only stock can accept updates. Once you modify anything in the system or boot partition , game over for OTA.
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I'm not looking for stock OTA updates. I'm looking for delta updates OTA for the installed custom ROM. I work for a bank and need my phone to access the bank network with my RSA token app. I can't be down every time I flash an updated ROM. I'm essentially on call 7 days a week from 9-9.
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smodom said:
Aside from Euphoria are there any others that currently have OTA updates? I ask mostly because there are some out there which I have not seen on XDA.
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I'm using Cyanogenmod just for that reason. I don't know if the OTA updates are working in Settings yet, but using CyanDelta is so much better. Instead of downloading 434mb updates you download a 20mb update from cyanogen using the app. (In a nutshell This works by only downloading files that have changed, to save space.) You can even have it automatically flash other zips too, like kernels or mods etc. https://play.google.com/store/apps/...andelta&pcampaignid=APPU_A6O8VIA3hZ6DBI6PgsgO
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I'm not looking for stock OTA updates. I'm looking for delta updates OTA for the installed custom ROM. I work for a bank and need my phone to access the bank network with my RSA token app. I can't be down every time I flash an updated ROM. I'm essentially on call 7 days a week from 9-9.
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I don't understand the problem. Flashing an OTA update takes a few seconds in recovery. Flashing a full ROM.zip takes a few seconds more. What am I missing?
rootSU said:
I don't understand the problem. Flashing an OTA update takes a few seconds in recovery. Flashing a full ROM.zip takes a few seconds more. What am I missing?
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He just wants ota updates on a ROM, also what Roms have that
cg14 said:
He just wants ota updates on a ROM, also what Roms have that
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That, I know. What I am querying is his reason, as he said "I can't be down". It doesn't make sense. I'm assuming OP thinks he needs to spend lots of time re-setting up his phone if he updates using a full rom.zip, which is incorrect. So I am trying to understand the exact issue
rootSU said:
That, I know. What I am querying is his reason, as he said "I can't be down". It doesn't make sense. I'm assuming OP thinks he needs to spend lots of time re-setting up his phone if he updates using a full rom.zip, which is incorrect. So I am trying to understand the exact issue
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Ahhhh OK, mabey slow internet? ie 100 mb =3 hours of download
That's what I'm stuck with out in the country
rootSU said:
That, I know. What I am querying is his reason, as he said "I can't be down". It doesn't make sense. I'm assuming OP thinks he needs to spend lots of time re-setting up his phone if he updates using a full rom.zip, which is incorrect. So I am trying to understand the exact issue
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You are correct. I was under the assumption if no delta update was available and I flashed the newest version of the full ROM I would lose all settings and apps. Is there a downside to flashing a newer version on top of the older version of a ROM?
smodom said:
You are correct. I was under the assumption if no delta update was available and I flashed the newest version of the full ROM I would lose all settings and apps. Is there a downside to flashing a newer version on top of the older version of a ROM?
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Ah OK I was hoping that was the case so I could set your mind a ease
So I'll start with why we have to wipe sometimes.
When we flash a ROM to the /system partition on a wiped phone, there are no settings. When you set up your phone, all your settings are stored in databases in /data partition (/data/data specifically). This is also where all your user apps settings and data are stored too.
The problem is, let's say you have ROM x. It has a display time out setting of 33 minutes. You set the display to this and it is stored in the relevant database. Then you flash ROM y. ROM y doesn't have a display setting of 33 (because let's face it, 33 is not common). So ROM y expects the database to say 5, 10, 15, 30 minutes. It doesn't know what to do with the entry of 33. Imagine this problem happening across multiple settings lots of things will break. Sometimes even, it wont boot.. So the problem really is that you have incompatible settings between some ROMs
Typically, I would always recommend wiping between major android versions. Also some custom ROMs will change a setting and this can cause problems
But in your ccase ultimately, there's no difference between a delta and a full ROM. If a setting is going to become incompatible, its going to happen whichever way you update.
I hope this helps somewhat and opens your choices..
rootSU said:
Ah OK I was hoping that was the case so I could set your mind a ease
So I'll start with why we have to wipe sometimes.
When we flash a ROM to the /system partition on a wiped phone, there are no settings. When you set up your phone, all your settings are stored in databases in /data partition (/data/data specifically). This is also where all your user apps settings and data are stored too.
The problem is, let's say you have ROM x. It has a display time out setting of 33 minutes. You set the display to this and it is stored in the relevant database. Then you flash ROM y. ROM y doesn't have a display setting of 33 (because let's face it, 33 is not common). So ROM y expects the database to say 5, 10, 15, 30 minutes. It doesn't know what to do with the entry of 33. Imagine this problem happening across multiple settings lots of things will break. Sometimes even, it wont boot.. So the problem really is that you have incompatible settings between some ROMs
Typically, I would always recommend wiping between major android versions. Also some custom ROMs will change a setting and this can cause problems
But in your ccase ultimately, there's no difference between a delta and a full ROM. If a setting is going to become incompatible, its going to happen whichever way you update.
I hope this helps somewhat and opens your choices..
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This makes perfect sense. I suspected it might this way but without confirmation I couldn't take the risk. This is exactly the answer I was hoping you would come back with. I greatly appreciate your time. I almost didn't ask the question because I see so many similarly trivial questions asked and the OP gets bashed for it. Again, thank you! My flashing addiction just got much worse
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This makes perfect sense. I suspected it might this way but without confirmation I couldn't take the risk. This is exactly the answer I was hoping you would come back with. I greatly appreciate your time. I almost didn't ask the question because I see so many similarly trivial questions asked and the OP gets bashed for it. Again, thank you! My flashing addiction just got much worse
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No worries. We all don't know some tthings until we do, and asking is the first step!
PURE SHAMU has a delta update if that counts as OTA.

[Q] Should I try Stock Andoroid before CM12?

My Nexus 6 has finally shipped! It should be here Friday!
This is my first Nexus and I have never rooted, unlocked, flashed, etc. any of my previous phones.
I have been doing a lot of research and have been considering running CM12.
My question is, should I run my Nexus 6 with stock android for a few weeks and then try CM12? Or should I just root, unlock, and flash CM12 as soon as I get it?
I know that if I wait then I will need to back up all my data because it will factory data reset but I am not worried about that... I understand it is easier to do it right out of the box because you don't have to worry about loosing anything but I can just back my info/apps up so that isn't a big deal.
Also, would you guys suggest something over CM12? Right now I am planning on using CM12 and just getting it setup how I like it then leaving it. I don't plan on always flashing and making changes but I might get sucked into it lol
Thanks everyone!
Has CM moved to 5. 1 yet?
What version android came your phone?
Depending on those two answers you have to ask yourself if you want to downgrade your phone. At least version wise
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Has CM moved to 5. 1 yet?
What version android came your phone?
Depending on those two answers you have to ask yourself if you want to downgrade your phone. At least version wise
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Good point! I don't know if CM is on 5.1 yet. I just assumed it was but I will look into it. This is all new to me so thanks for pointing that out, didn't even think about that!
I won't know what version is on the phone until Friday. But even if it is on 5.0 I am sure it will notify me that 5.1 is ready to download as soon as I boot up the phone.
On my other phones I usually got rid of the stock and was on a custom ROM a pretty quick. I have tried a few ROMs on this phone as well. in my experience if you want to be on 5 .1 currently the best way to go is stock with debloating . Or use one of the clean/vanilla ROMs. Of course I did not test them all there are so many out there. Good luck with your new toy.
I will try CM after its been out a few weeks on 5 .1
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I'd recommend updating to 5.1 if it doesn't ship with 5.1. Then, I'd run stock for at least a few days to get a baseline for comparison. I think this is useful especially for bugs. That way you can get an idea of the issues that exist in stock 5.1 before using a custom ROM.
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On my other phones I usually got rid of the stock and was on a custom ROM a pretty quick. I have tried a few ROMs on this phone as well. in my experience if you want to be on 5 .1 currently the best way to go is stock with debloating . Or use one of the clean/vanilla ROMs. Of course I did not test them all there are so many out there. Good luck with your new toy.
I will try CM after its been out a few weeks on 5 .1
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Okay, thanks for the info!
Since I ordered my phone directly from Google, do I need to debloat? Or is that just for carrier versions?
mlin said:
I'd recommend updating to 5.1 if it doesn't ship with 5.1. Then, I'd run stock for at least a few days to get a baseline for comparison. I think this is useful especially for bugs. That way you can get an idea of the issues that exist in stock 5.1 before using a custom ROM.
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Another great point! I knew you guys were the people to ask! lol
What about rooting and unlocking? Would you suggest waiting on that as well? Is there really any reason to unlock and root if I won't be running CM? I was going to root so that I could decrypte but it sounds like the lag from encryption is fixed in 5.1.
Well I would guess you WILL want to unlock and root because who does want to be able to run a root level ad blocker? Who wants to wait on OTA for an update? Not me.
I got mine from Google, as well, and heres what I did:
Played with the phone in stock form for like an hour saw it was still on 5.01 even after updating
Decided this is not for me. I wanted my root apps and I wanted to copy all the stuff off my old phone with Titanium backup to the Nexus
Looked on the interwebs for the easiest way to get root
Found a tool from my old buddy WugFresh (I knew him in the Droid X days)
Prepared myself for a giant PITA night. Download, drivers, and programs, reading various sites, etc, etc, etc
Was freaking SHOCKED that the tool did ALL THIS for me. I mean I literally plugged in my phone and it collected and set up everything. (It also has a console if you feel the need to type in adb commands)
Was unlocked, upgraded, rooted with a custom recovery with all my apps copied over in less than an hour
Sent Wuggy some $$$ and a thank-you note
You only need to decrypt, IMO, if you are running high end games that demand that level of performance. I have not seen any lag myself. Again this is my own personal experience. Your results may vary. 5.1 has optimized out many of the issues I heard about in 5.01 or so I have been told.
CFrance said:
Another great point! I knew you guys were the people to ask! lol
What about rooting and unlocking? Would you suggest waiting on that as well? Is there really any reason to unlock and root if I won't be running CM? I was going to root so that I could decrypte but it sounds like the lag from encryption is fixed in 5.1.
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I unlocked and rooted right away, mainly for the ability to use Titanium Backup to setup my phone and in the event that I installed a custom ROM. Outside of TB, I haven't really needed or used root, but it sure is nice to have. I played with a few custom ROMs before 5.1 came out but mostly felt that I preferred the stock experience. I downloaded the MCR modpack found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=58019266&postcount=1 but have yet to install it. If/when I do, root will become more of a requirement for my uses.
I came from a Verizon Note 4 which could not be rooted. I got used to not playing with my phone and just using the stock experience. Its nice that the stock experience on the N6 is so fantastic and stable. It makes it easy to just use the phone without worry of fixing, modding, and adding features, though I still enjoy those aspects too which is why I'll likely use MultiROM next time I decide to install something custom.
Dude are you somehow tied up with this Tool Kit? You`re promoting it on so many threads i`am starting to get the impression you`re not quite objective about it There is no harm in using toolkits by xperienced users and i`am sure its well build, but for newbies its very dangerous because they`re lost if something should go wrong.
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Dude are you somehow tied up with this Tool Kit? You`re promoting it on so many threads i`am starting to get the impression you`re not quite objective about it There is no harm in using toolkits by xperienced users and i`am sure its well build, but for newbies its very dangerous because they`re lost if something should go wrong.
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Which is exactly why I'm promoting it it is almost bulletproof. what's the alternative loading all the different tools and drivers they need and following some instructions found on the internet.
And as I explained in my post you can just download the tool to make sure you have all the drivers and connections. use it to get the proper files you need and then run the command line like a power user if you want to feel better about yourself.
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DebianDog said:
Which is exactly why I'm promoting it it is almost bulletproof. what's the alternative loading all the different tools and drivers they need and following some instructions found on the internet.
And as I explained in my post you can just download the tool to make sure you have all the drivers and connections. use it to get the proper files you need and then run the command line like a power user if you want to feel better about yourself.
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I will never use/promote a Toolkit even if it seems very good for the reason i posted earlier. Flashing manualy in fastboot doesn`t take more time and makes users more aware about their phone and knowledge of it and gives you control over whats happening Just my 2 cents.
My two cents. I don't think you've dealt with enough newbies. on another forum it was me and a group of others that would help people get their phones out of boot loops and soft bricks. I have literally helped hundreds of people get their phone back.
even if you look here on XDA you'll see people trying to flash the wrong files download files that are not even for their phone, are following a dated instruction or don't really understand how directories work.
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DebianDog said:
Well I would guess you WILL want to unlock and root because who does want to be able to run a root level ad blocker? Who wants to wait on OTA for an update? Not me.
I got mine from Google, as well, and heres what I did:
Played with the phone in stock form for like an hour saw it was still on 5.01 even after updating
Decided this is not for me. I wanted my root apps and I wanted to copy all the stuff off my old phone with Titanium backup to the Nexus
Looked on the interwebs for the easiest way to get root
Found a tool from my old buddy WugFresh (I knew him in the Droid X days)
Prepared myself for a giant PITA night. Download, drivers, and programs, reading various sites, etc, etc, etc
Was freaking SHOCKED that the tool did ALL THIS for me. I mean I literally plugged in my phone and it collected and set up everything. (It also has a console if you feel the need to type in adb commands)
Was unlocked, upgraded, rooted with a custom recovery with all my apps copied over in less than an hour
Sent Wuggy some $$$ and a thank-you note
You only need to decrypt, IMO, if you are running high end games that demand that level of performance. I have not seen any lag myself. Again this is my own personal experience. Your results may vary. 5.1 has optimized out many of the issues I heard about in 5.01 or so I have been told.
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Thanks for the info! I actually had just downloaded this program over the weekend and was planning on using it once I do decide to root... which I am thinking will be as soon as I get the phone. lol other than that I think I am going to run it on stock for a while at first and wait until CM is on 5.1 for a while....
mlin said:
I unlocked and rooted right away, mainly for the ability to use Titanium Backup to setup my phone and in the event that I installed a custom ROM. Outside of TB, I haven't really needed or used root, but it sure is nice to have. I played with a few custom ROMs before 5.1 came out but mostly felt that I preferred the stock experience. I downloaded the MCR modpack found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=58019266&postcount=1 but have yet to install it. If/when I do, root will become more of a requirement for my uses.
I came from a Verizon Note 4 which could not be rooted. I got used to not playing with my phone and just using the stock experience. Its nice that the stock experience on the N6 is so fantastic and stable. It makes it easy to just use the phone without worry of fixing, modding, and adding features, though I still enjoy those aspects too which is why I'll likely use MultiROM next time I decide to install something custom.
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Thanks! I am planning on rooting and unlocking right away for TB and maybe a couple other little things like lightflow just for fun. Being the nerd that I am, I have a feeling that once I start playing with the whole rooting, unlocking, and flashing stuff I am going to really enjoy it.
gee2012 said:
I will never use/promote a Toolkit even if it seems very good for the reason i posted earlier. Flashing manualy in fastboot doesn`t take more time and makes users more aware about their phone and knowledge of it and gives you control over whats happening Just my 2 cents.
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Thanks for the reply! I see what you are saying, I had already come across Wug's toolkit over the weekend and was planning on using that because it seemed so simple.
However, seeing how I still have two and a half days until my phone will be here, maybe I will look into the manual way a little more to decide which route I want to go.... Any suggestions on where to start? Threads, videos, etc?
Thanks!
Boot into download mode, Unlock bootloader, reboot, boot back into download mode, fastboot twrp recovery, boot into recovery, reboot via recovery and install su when prompted. When you boot into android you will be prompted to update su. You now are rooted. Only other thing I would think about when you first get your device is if you want forced encryption. You will be required to wipe SD data if you decide to go with non forced encryption.
I loved cm on my previous touchwiz devices because I like stock/asop style. I find cm has bugs in early os update releases. I would only install cm if i took advantage of themes which I don't.
CFrance said:
Any suggestions on where to start? Threads, videos, etc?
Thanks!
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You can waste a lot of time while you're waiting for your phone in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2992769
ROM Reviews (5.1) + Nexus 6 Hacking: NRT · Apps · Utilities [3.22.15]
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I just bought the Nexus 6, should I root it immediately?

Hi, long time lurker here. I want to start by saying how great and informative this site is. Anyway, my nexus 6 came in from the mail like 5 hours ago, did all the updates from 5.0 to 6.0 and it's now running Marshmallow mra58n. Question is should I root it immediately and if so, are there any guides I can follow? Much love to you all, I'm not exactly pro at this kind of things but I can follow instructions since I have competently rooted my past phones which were an HTC M7, M8 and a Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 tablet.
Thank you.
Edit: Phone is also unlocked, I currently have no SIM card
start here..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/how-to-nexus-6-one-beginners-guide-t2948481
At the least unlock the bootloader right away. Doing so will completely wipe the phone so it's the first thing I do.
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razortaz18 said:
At the least unlock the bootloader right away. Doing so will completely wipe the phone so it's the first thing I do.
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I've been looking at the Nexus Root Toolkit since I am kind of confused on how to proceed with anything at all, is that ill advised since I've read that there are problems with the USB cable disconnecting during reboot?
Also, thank you for the reply.
I used the NRT without issue. Just follow the guide step by step.
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and, dont touch the usb cable while the phone is processing your commands!
j/k, never even heard of the USB cable "problem"
I just used the toolkit today to unlock and root my N6.
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I rooted last night initially using manual method described in the first link provided, however after some driver issues ultimately used the 2.1.0 rootkit to uninstall and reinstall all drivers. That too alone saved me tons of time and either method is simple if you can follow instructions.
Totally recommend rooting and then experimenting with custom roms, its like getting a new phone everyone you install a new rom.
Have fun!
Kristine,
In answer specifically to your question "Should I...?" my answer is "No". It really depends on what you think you'll get from it - why do you want to do it? What specific benefits do you want?
The reason that I say "no" is that I've been rooted on all my several phones for years, and I've decided that for me the annoyance of having to manually flash ROMs outweighs the benefits - particularly now that Google are releasing frequent security updates. The moment you root your device the OTA (over the air) updates no longer work.
For me the major reason for rooting was to have a firewall. The other things (wakelock detection, double tap to wake, auto-hibernation...) were great but not showstoppers. Now that there is a non-root firewall (Netguard) I'm happy to leave my phone unrooted. I haven't had an OTA to apply yet, so if I have any problems then I might change my mind, but my advice would be to think hard about why you want root before you buy yourself into a world of tinkering...
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At the least unlock the bootloader right away. Doing so will completely wipe the phone so it's the first thing I do.
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Dammit, are you kidding me? I just downloaded and setup everything, figured I'd do all everything else tomorrow... Oh, well I can do it again I suppose.
Kristine-N said:
Question is should I root it immediately....
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Because I don't want a white interface, rooting is necessary. Google forces to many things, like forced encryption, useless apps and a white interface (battery drain). When rooting was impossible I would not have bought a Nexus.
Short answer: No!
Long answer: Well, it's sill no, but you can or even should do a couple of things.
First if all, allow OEM Unlocking in development settings. There are gazillion how-tos to switch developer mode on, and tick that switch. Google has borked OTAs already, and if your phone doesn't boot, and the switch is off, then you're boned, you can send it for repair. But if you can unlock you bootloader, then you can flash a custom recovery and make your phone working again.
Second, if you do plan to root your phone in the near future, you should unlock the bootloader now, while it's still new, because it will erase everything (IMHO this would be sufficient as a security measure, the Enable OEM Unlocking is overkill).
As for the main question if you don't have any specific ideas what you want the root for, then don't root your phone. It's a clear and present security risk, and you're just one too many "Allow" taps from letting someone acquire your passwords, clone your IMEI, and download your personal stuff. My motto is, if you don't know what exactly root is, what it does, then you don't know how to prevent exploits that need it to run.
Also if you modify your phone in any way, and that includes rooting, you won't receive the monthly OTAs, and will have to flash it manually.
And finally, don't use toolkits on a Nexus. Spend another hour reading about the matter and you will find out typing adb and fastboot commands is a easy as clicking buttons on toolkits. There is nothing extra in them, they just download the images to flash, and "type" these commands for you.
Unlock bootloader and don't root it for now. After some time, if you feel like you're missing some features that you can obtain only with root, then go ahead. But for now I would strongly recommend to stay stock and see how it goes...

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