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Hi all, finally I registered here at xda today because of the great new HP TPToolbox that jcsullins provides here.
This is really really great !! Many thanks !
As a newcomer to this forum I somehow can not comment on the original thread ( ) although I'm developer for decades ..
Well - so far I've been around on webosnation and other forum - but here I find that the core of development happens here.
XDA seems to be a great place to be - as a developer.
1. About the posting from jcsullins: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=52765181&postcount=5
It read:
> Only Touchpad Wifi supported (not 4G) at this time
I assume this is really limited to the released HP TouchPad and does not include the never released HP TouchPad Go (7" device) - right ?
2. I read:
> Reflash A6 Firmware allows you to reflash the A6 firmware.
I very much assume I can not use this if my TP is bricked (my TP does not show anything on the screen and no light at the home button).
So - I guess - I first need to do through the TPdebrick procedure.
Sure I know these instructions: http://rootzwiki.com/topic/38786-tpdebrick-v004 Again, thanks to jcsullins for providing these too.
( Also - I wonder if there is a way to use these instructions from a Win7 system too ?)
3. In terms of using TPToolbox to get Android installed on TP:
Till today I run only webos 3.0.5 on my TouchPads and I want to keep webos around. I have 32GB (Wifi) and 64GB (Wifi) and TP GO (Wifi).
What is the recommendation before installing some Android (4.4) on a TP. Do I need to rearrange / clean up some of the existing webos volumes?
Imagine - I have no experience with Android setup. I read all of the TPToolbox thread - but found no guidance for people who want to keep webos on the same device. And I have no good understanding of what the limitations/drawbacks are when running webos and Android on the same device.
4. I read:
> It will then install moboot (which is included in TPToolbox)
I have no clear understand what moboot is doing and if needed how to remove it again. Will it allow me to boot in Android or webos ?
How many Android versions can I install in parallel and then select one at boot time ?
5. A final question for now. Is there any consideration that in future TPToolbox could allow installing openWebOS if this becomes available for existing TP devices?
anyone with some answer please ?
anyone with some answer please ?
No need to answer all questions at once.
I'm most interested in comments about question (3):
what the limitations/drawbacks are when running webos and Android on the same device: 32GB (Wifi) and 64GB (Wifi) ?
[email protected] said:
anyone with some answer please ?
No need to answer all questions at once.
I'm most interested in comments about question (3):
what the limitations/drawbacks are when running webos and Android on the same device: 32GB (Wifi) and 64GB (Wifi) ?
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OPINIONS ARE subjective as you you appear to have several tablets it is in your best interests to test out and find what works for you. I personally am using Milaq's.
Have fun trying them.
sstar said:
OPINIONS ARE subjective as you you appear to have several tablets it is in your best interests to test out and find what works for you. I personally am using Milaq's.
Have fun trying them.
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Thanks for your comment. So far I have no idea what "Milaq" is: I assume some kind of Android version - but such version is not documented with TPToolbox - so, for sure I will not use that for now.
My question (3) is more about hard facts: what the limitations/drawbacks are when running webos and Android on the same device: 32GB (Wifi) and 64GB (Wifi) ?
Will both OS run well on a 32GB system if both are installed and they use some shared disk space (volume?). I would consider at least 5GB of shared disk space to allow (video) file exchange on the device.
What is a recommended configuration to run webos and Android on the same device. Or doesn't it make sense at all and better use 2 devices?
Will TPToolbox optimize the volume size for both OS?
Can I configure the default OS at boot time? How to do? (Can I run Android apps inside a webos window?)
Unable to navigate TP Toolbox UI
I'm trying to use TP Toolbox to install Android on my TP. When I reach the TouchPad Toolbox UI on the tablet, the volume keys aren't working to navigate, so I have no way to select Complete Data Reset. Any ideas??
[email protected] said:
Thanks for your comment. So far I have no idea what "Milaq" is: I assume some kind of Android version - but such version is not documented with TPToolbox - so, for sure I will not use that for now.
My question (3) is more about hard facts: what the limitations/drawbacks are when running webos and Android on the same device: 32GB (Wifi) and 64GB (Wifi) ?
Will both OS run well on a 32GB system if both are installed and they use some shared disk space (volume?). I would consider at least 5GB of shared disk space to allow (video) file exchange on the device.
What is a recommended configuration to run webos and Android on the same device. Or doesn't it make sense at all and better use 2 devices?
Will TPToolbox optimize the volume size for both OS?
Can I configure the default OS at boot time? How to do? (Can I run Android apps inside a webos window?)
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As you point out, this is the place for answers. All of your questions have been answered in other threads. Search is your friend. WIth respect to the TP GO, it does not appear to have ever been released, but if you have one, you'll have to answer your own questions because no one here has ever mentioned having one:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2397197,00.asp
Touchpad linked to google account acting badly
J Scullins Toolbox installed with ease. Many thanks. Freed up memory and eliminated WebOS (pretty but pretty useless). Booted fine, loaded CM 11 4.4.2. Then asked if I wanted to restored my google apps from google account. I did. Began updating apps, but included all apps I've ever installed on any android device and loaded my current phone (Galaxy 3) wall paper. Repeated message -> "Unfortunately Trebuchet has stopped" Did not seem to affect downloading updates. Then died. Plugging into charger (wall socket) did not wake it up. Charged all night. Nothing. Unplugged and plugged in again, self-rebooted to boot menu, but has phone screen and shows charging at 1%. Should I reboot to restore mode and start over? Anyone having charging issues after using Toolbox? Thanks.
shumash said:
As you point out, this is the place for answers. All of your questions have been answered in other threads. Search is your friend.
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Thanks for promising that I should be able to find answer. I did read the complete thread about TPToolbox and few others too and search before I started this new thread - but my above 5 questions remained open. If anyone has found a good pointer please paste a URL here.
If I find correct answer myself I will put such links here.
ad (4) I think I understand moboot good enough for now. In my words it is a boot manager that comes with Android or at least you can use with Android. It is not a webos app or so. Not 100% sure how to get it on the TP device - but I assume when I install Android for first time it will also install and it will somehow stay even if Android gets deinstalled. Anyhow - any link to a good wiki page would be much appreciated.
ad (1) Yes, TP GO is a rare device - but several 100 seem to be around by now. Many of these come with some Android 2.X version installed. ( Mine was patched to webos 3.0.5 ) Ok, if noone has a GO here I have to assume that TPToolbox does not support / was not tested on TP GO. So far posting from jcsullins does not mention the TP GO at all: http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...81&postcount=5
mheath said:
I'm trying to use TP Toolbox to install Android on my TP. When I reach the TouchPad Toolbox UI on the tablet, the volume keys aren't working to navigate, so I have no way to select Complete Data Reset. Any ideas??
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I have a TP 4G - sounds like this could be an issue? Will this Toolbox installation work on the 4G? If not, is there a good alternative to install Android?
mheath said:
I have a TP 4G - sounds like this could be an issue? Will this Toolbox installation work on the 4G? If not, is there a good alternative to install Android?
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The original TPtoolbox thread answers this 4G question as: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=52923285&postcount=65
Toolbox not working for me
Hello,
i tried Toolbox to bring life back to my Touchpad.
When i'm running this program it starts very well but i can't get the menue.
So it's not possible to run one of the menue-points.
I use Windows 7 64bit, the TP is connected with USB-sign on.
My problem:
In the WebOs-log the last line shows a flash-failure.
When i'm starting the TP, first a static HP-logo comes up, followed from a rotating HP-logo,
the a screen changes from black to white with a grey button rotating.
Any idea?
Thanks!
Rekaro said:
Hello,
i tried Toolbox to bring life back to my Touchpad.
When i'm running this program it starts very well but i can't get the menue.
So it's not possible to run one of the menue-points.
I use Windows 7 64bit, the TP is connected with USB-sign on.
My problem:
In the WebOs-log the last line shows a flash-failure.
When i'm starting the TP, first a static HP-logo comes up, followed from a rotating HP-logo,
the a screen changes from black to white with a grey button rotating.
Any idea?
Thanks!
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Re-read the directions for TP Toolbox. You need to boot into WebOS recovery (a static usb symbol). It sounds like your TP is trying to boot into WebOS, not WebOS recovery.
A) Have novacom installed
To load TPToolbox, you will need novacom to be installed on your PC.
You can download and install novacom from http://www.openwebosproject.org/open.../packages.html
Or, you can download and run a java-based "universal installer" from http://code.google.com/p/universal-n...downloads/list
B) Put the Touchpad into webOS recovery mode and connect via USB cable to PC
NOTE: Even if webOS is removed, webOS recovery will still exist as it's built into the bootloader.
If you have moboot already installed, just select "webOS recovery" there.
Or, power the Touchpad off via webOS, then with the Touchpad is off, hold VolumeUp (closest to Power) and Power until you see the USB symbol.
Or, hold Power+Home until the screen changes (about 10 secs) and then start holding the VolumeUp button until you see the big USB symbol.
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shumash said:
Re-read the directions for TP Toolbox. You need to boot into WebOS recovery (a static usb symbol). It sounds like your TP is trying to boot into WebOS, not WebOS recovery.
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Thanks,
no it's in recovery mode i'm shure. A big usb symbol on the screen and some other lines.
I can then open the terminal-window and connect the Touchpad.
I add here pictures what happens when i type the commands "printenv" and "token".
When i type reboot, the TP starts correct to boot, first the static HP sign, then a greyed HP sign and then a screen (see the picture) with a grey rotating Button.
That's it.
issue loading TPTToolbox
Sorry folks - i am fairly new at this - and we all had to start at some point - so if this is obvious to most, i apologize.. but need a little help.
I cant seem to get the Toolbox to load, i downloaded it from the post,{as well as the Novacom driver} i have extracted the three files - when i open the .bat file i get the message below. I have the TouchPad connected via USB, and windows has assigned it a letter drive and I have the big USB icon on the pad screen
message:
"
Setting Palm path ...
Checking novacom service ...
Loading TPToolbox ...
.
Cannot connect to Touchpad.
Make sure Touchpad is connected with USB cable.
Make sure Touchpad is in webOS Recovery (bootie) mode
(where big USB symbol shows on Touchpad screen)
.
"
Toolbox
I'm not sure you understand the instructions on how to do the install.
Here is a link with instructions that I used for my install:
http://liliputing.com/2014/06/use-touchpad-toolbox-install-android-erase-webos-hp-touchpad.html
While the instructions are written for windows users, I used them for my Ubuntu Linux install and everything
worked perfectly.
Recovery problem when running toolbox
I've followed the instructions for running the Toolbox and have removed WebOS, setup the directory sizes and uploaded the ROM and GApps AND renamed the files as specified in the how-to.
However I am having issues with the recovery. The recovery I downloaded was update-CWM-jcs-dm-tenderloin-20140317.zip
I get the error that "No supported recovery file found. Aborting."
I've seen mention that the cable could be bad however if I have no files in the ttinstall directory, I get an error that there's no ROM. I upload the ROM and rename it and the error then is about the Recovery file so that means the ROM was in fact uploaded so the cable theory is moot.
I'm thinking the recovery file needs to be named something specific however when I have tried to use the file names listed as
Compatible Legacy ROM files:
cm-10.1-*-tenderloin.zip or
skz_tenderloin-2.11_jb_4.2.2-*.zip
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but that doesn't work. Is the file name supposed to be something else?
(Sorry about asking this here. Tried to ask in Developer thread but I don't have enough posts)
chrisjpopp said:
I've followed the instructions for running the Toolbox and have removed WebOS, setup the directory sizes and uploaded the ROM and GApps AND renamed the files as specified in the how-to.
However I am having issues with the recovery. The recovery I downloaded was update-CWM-jcs-dm-tenderloin-20140317.zip
I get the error that "No supported recovery file found. Aborting."
I've seen mention that the cable could be bad however if I have no files in the ttinstall directory, I get an error that there's no ROM. I upload the ROM and rename it and the error then is about the Recovery file so that means the ROM was in fact uploaded so the cable theory is moot.
I'm thinking the recovery file needs to be named something specific however when I have tried to use the file names listed as
but that doesn't work. Is the file name supposed to be something else?
(Sorry about asking this here. Tried to ask in Developer thread but I don't have enough posts)
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Try the update-TWRP-jcs-dm-tenderloin-20140512.zip instead. It worked just fine for me.
chrisjpopp said:
I've followed the instructions for running the Toolbox and have removed WebOS, setup the directory sizes and uploaded the ROM and GApps AND renamed the files as specified in the how-to.
......
(Sorry about asking this here. Tried to ask in Developer thread but I don't have enough posts)
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How did you rename the file? I don't think you need to rename any file.
No matter how many times I reinstall novacom TPtoolbox will not get past
Checking Novacom services....
And goes no fauther.
I am running windows 8.1
HP Touchpad 4G - Issue running
[email protected] said:
The original TPtoolbox thread answers this 4G question as: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=52923285&postcount=65
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Good thing I didn't wipe webOS off! I'd have a nice frisbee. Hopefully these guru's will fix that issue and we can all be happy. Thanks JCSullins.
Hi there, so I saw that you do a lot of videos about the HP touchpad, Basically I decided to delete android off my touchpad and I did but in the process I also deleted webos. Only thing that comes up is the webOS logo and that's it...I've tried to use webOS doctor and WebOS quick installer but for some reason these programs refuse to pick up the device. All my computers are seeing my device as "palm" and "unidentified" I tried looking for the drivers but because it's such a out dated I couldn't find anything...please help me get webOS back!!
coolzab123 said:
Hi there, so I saw that you do a lot of videos about the HP touchpad, Basically I decided to delete android off my touchpad and I did but in the process I also deleted webos. Only thing that comes up is the webOS logo and that's it...I've tried to use webOS doctor and WebOS quick installer but for some reason these programs refuse to pick up the device. All my computers are seeing my device as "palm" and "unidentified" I tried looking for the drivers but because it's such a out dated I couldn't find anything...please help me get webOS back!!
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Do you have novacom and novaterm installed, including Java Runtime Environment? hope it helps
http://forum.xda-developers.com/hp-...roid-4-4-x-t2912820/post56167358#post56167358
A)You must have the novacom software installed on your PC before running Jcsullins Touchpad Toolbox.
Download and run the Universal Novacom Installer 1.4.1. Click here:
Note:You will need to have Java installed to run the Universal installer. Click here:
Note: You may need to reboot after installing this software.
Or
Download, extract and install the appropriate version of Novacom for your OS. Click here:
Note: Under Linux the Novacom driver is installed at /opt/Palm run it from this location.
ashTP88 said:
Do you have novacom and novaterm installed, including Java Runtime Environment? hope it helps
http://forum.xda-developers.com/hp-...roid-4-4-x-t2912820/post56167358#post56167358
A)You must have the novacom software installed on your PC before running Jcsullins Touchpad Toolbox.
Download and run the Universal Novacom Installer 1.4.1. Click here:
Note:You will need to have Java installed to run the Universal installer. Click here:
Note: You may need to reboot after installing this software.
Or
Download, extract and install the appropriate version of Novacom for your OS. Click here:
Note: Under Linux the Novacom driver is installed at /opt/Palm run it from this location.
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Err I'm confused Sorry, I'm so new to all this. So I have Novcom, Novaterm and JRE(Java Run time environment) Do I now just run the WebOS Doctor?
EDIT: I tried that and still it WebOS Doctor does not work.
Read my Super Easy way thread for full details on everything
coolzab123 said:
Hi there, so I saw that you do a lot of videos about the HP touchpad, Basically I decided to delete android off my touchpad and I did but in the process I also deleted webos. Only thing that comes up is the webOS logo and that's it...I've tried to use webOS doctor and WebOS quick installer but for some reason these programs refuse to pick up the device. All my computers are seeing my device as "palm" and "unidentified" I tried looking for the drivers but because it's such a out dated I couldn't find anything...please help me get webOS back!!
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So you did a complete data reset and you want to reininstall WebOS. You've already run the TPtoolbox from your PC so you must already have the novacom software installed. You just need to read the last two lines in my thread info to find the detailed instructions you'll need.
A)(Optional) Complete Data Reset, Completely Removes WebOS and Android
-The procedure will completely remove WebOS and Android from the device. The partitions/volumes will be rebuilt new and boot will be remade with a minimal amount of programs provided by the TPToolbox.
-Scroll down to Complete Data Reset and select it with the home button and choose yes to begin the process.
-If you previously did step number 3 then skip this step and proceed to step B.
-If you previously removed WebOS but want to add it back use Jcsullins instructions click here:
-If you need to bypass the WebOS activation get the tool and instructions click here:
Read this thread.
[ROM GUIDE]How to install Android 5.x.x/4.4.x with Jcsullins TPtoolbox Super Easy Way
RolandDeschain79 said:
So you did a complete data reset and you want to reininstall WebOS. You've already run the TPtoolbox from your PC so you must already have the novacom software installed. You just need to read the last two lines in my thread info to find the detailed instructions you'll need.
A)(Optional) Complete Data Reset, Completely Removes WebOS and Android
-The procedure will completely remove WebOS and Android from the device. The partitions/volumes will be rebuilt new and boot will be remade with a minimal amount of programs provided by the TPToolbox.
-Scroll down to Complete Data Reset and select it with the home button and choose yes to begin the process.
-If you previously did step number 3 then skip this step and proceed to step B.
-If you previously removed WebOS but want to add it back use Jcsullins instructions click here:
-If you need to bypass the WebOS activation get the tool and instructions click here:
Read this thread.
[ROM GUIDE]How to install Android 5.x.x/4.4.x with Jcsullins TPtoolbox Super Easy Way
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Hey thanks! Everything has been fixed
I am unable to mount the USB to my PC using after installing Android 4.4.4 on my Touchpad. Was able to do so with WebOS. How can I connect my Touchpad using a usb cable to my PC? PC is a Gateway Notebook running Windows 7 Starter version.
1sharpguy said:
I am unable to mount the USB to my PC using after installing Android 4.4.4 on my Touchpad. Was able to do so with WebOS. How can I connect my Touchpad using a usb cable to my PC? PC is a Gateway Notebook running Windows 7 Starter version.
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Which rom and build of Android 4.4.4 are you currently using?
Try this:
Plug the tablet into the PC with the USB cable. Go to settings/storage/ click the 3 dots in the upper right/USB computer connection.
Switch from Media device to Camera, see if windows detects and installs drivers. Then set it back to media device.
Still no luck with mounting Touchpad
Hello Roland...
Thank you for your help and informative response. I am still unable to mount my device (Touchpad) to my PC (Windows 7). I have described below what I have tried to do so far.
Which rom and build of Android 4.4.4 are you currently using?
I used the downloads from [ROM GUIDE] How to Install Android 7.x.x Nougat builds on the HP TouchPad
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By RolandDeschain79, Recognized Contributor on 3rd December 2016, 06:30 PM
Download Android 4.4.4 Kitkat install files(Rom, Gapps, Recovery):
Rom:cm-11-20161219-NIGHTLY-MLQ-tenderloin.zip
Recovery:TWRP-jcs-dm-tenderloin-20140612b.zip
Gapps:gapps-444-base-20160602-1-signed.zip
After switching from Media Device (MTP) to Camera (PTP), Windows was able to detect my device (TouchPad) and install the drivers. Despite the information displayed in Android Settings for USB Connections (Camera (PTP) lets you transfer photos using software, and transfer any files computers don't support MTP), I was only able to transfer photos/pictures. When I switched back to Media Device (MTP) file transfer, Windows could not detect my device. Instead, when I looked in device manager, Windows sees my device as a Samsung Android phone (which I have) and not a Touchpad.
I have attached a screen shot of the driver files in the submenu Android Composite ADB Interface. I even ran and update. All files were current with latest updates. Thus, for some reason Windows is seeing my Touchpad as a Samsung Android phone and not a Touchpad.
Any suggestions? I am unable to transfer backed up files or upgrade to Naugot 7.1 without being able to mount device.
Thanks! Jay
1sharpguy said:
Hello Roland...
Thank you for your help and informative response. I am still unable to mount my device (Touchpad) to my PC (Windows 7). I have described below what I have tried to do so far.
Which rom and build of Android 4.4.4 are you currently using?
I used the downloads from [ROM GUIDE] How to Install Android 7.x.x Nougat builds on the HP TouchPad
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By RolandDeschain79, Recognized Contributor on 3rd December 2016, 06:30 PM
Download Android 4.4.4 Kitkat install files(Rom, Gapps, Recovery):
Rom:cm-11-20161219-NIGHTLY-MLQ-tenderloin.zip
Recovery:TWRP-jcs-dm-tenderloin-20140612b.zip
Gapps:gapps-444-base-20160602-1-signed.zip
After switching from Media Device (MTP) to Camera (PTP), Windows was able to detect my device (TouchPad) and install the drivers. Despite the information displayed in Android Settings for USB Connections (Camera (PTP) lets you transfer photos using software, and transfer any files computers don't support MTP), I was only able to transfer photos/pictures. When I switched back to Media Device (MTP) file transfer, Windows could not detect my device. Instead, when I looked in device manager, Windows sees my device as a Samsung Android phone (which I have) and not a Touchpad.
I have attached a screen shot of the driver files in the submenu Android Composite ADB Interface. I even ran and update. All files were current with latest updates. Thus, for some reason Windows is seeing my Touchpad as a Samsung Android phone and not a Touchpad.
Any suggestions? I am unable to transfer backed up files or upgrade to Naugot 7.1 without being able to mount device.
Thanks! Jay
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Hi have you tried rebooting both the tablet and the PC, sometimes thats necessary. You might also try running the universal novacom installer again now that the tablet is detected here. I tested plugging in the tablet with the rom you're currently using on a virgin windows 10 setup and it worked fine, unfortunately I don't have a windows 7 system to test.
If nothing works you can always transfer the backed up files over the WiFi with a free app WiFi file transfer here
That should take care of your files if you're looking to upgrade with Nougat.
Hope this helps :fingers-crossed:
Yes...tried running Universal Novacom Installer a couple of different times without success (unable to USB mount Touchpad). Device Manager on PC allows me to uninstall Android Composite ADB Interface. Was thinking I might try that and see if I can get Windows to USB mount Touchpad and then search for compatible drivers. If that doesn't work, will try using Wifi Transfer as you suggest. Hopefully, that will get the Nougat files and backed up files transferred over to Touchpad.
Thank you for your help. Will post again when I know something more.
J
1sharpguy said:
Yes...tried running Universal Novacom Installer a couple of different times without success (unable to USB mount Touchpad). Device Manager on PC allows me to uninstall Android Composite ADB Interface. Was thinking I might try that and see if I can get Windows to USB mount Touchpad and then search for compatible drivers. If that doesn't work, will try using Wifi Transfer as you suggest. Hopefully, that will get the Nougat files and backed up files transferred over to Touchpad.
Thank you for your help. Will post again when I know something more.
J
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No problem, I've got one more thing for you to try. Found this in an older post of mine from 2012, back when I was using windows 7. Give it a try, you can always use the WiFi transfer app but it might take a while to complete. Good luck:good:
Note: Windows users may need to do the following in order to attach the Touchpad with the USB cable.
1. Go into Device manager. You will see "MTP USB Device" under portable devices.
2. Right Click it and select update driver software
3. Select Browse my computer for driver software
4. Select Let me pick from a list of device drivers on my computer
5. Select USB Mass Storage Device then click next
Finally!! I was able to get Windows to install the MTP drivers using the method you proposed in your last reply. Took a bit of monkeying around with. Not exactly sure what I did, but it worked. Was able to transfer backed up files and Nougat files to Touchpad. Soooo...went through steps install Nougat. Everything seem to load fine. However, got an error message at boot for Evervolv and am unable to load Nougat. Error message is as follows...
Selected: 'boot Evervolv'
Loading '/boot/uImage.Evervolv'...Ok
Checking uImage...Invalid size
BOOT FAILED!
Press SELECT to continue
I presume what it means by press SELECT to continue is to press the home key. When I do so, it takes me into the boot menu moboot 0.3.8
boot TWRP
boot webOS
boot Evervolv
boot webOS Recovery
reboot
shutdown
When I try to boot again in Evervolv, I get the same error message over again.
What do you think?
Oh yeah (full disclosure)...one more thing. In step 10 of your Rom Guide it says "-Select the System partition and swipe to wipe." I did this, but repeated it four different times because I didn't realize I had to touch the little home icon at the bottom of the page to return to the install button on the main menu. Not sure whether it would have had any effect on the install, but the error was a invalid size of uImage so wondering if by swiping to wipe the system partition so many times that I messed something up. That was the only thing I did that was different from your video and Rom Guide.
1sharpguy said:
Finally!! I was able to get Windows to install the MTP drivers using the method you proposed in your last reply. Took a bit of monkeying around with. Not exactly sure what I did, but it worked. Was able to transfer backed up files and Nougat files to Touchpad. Soooo...went through steps install Nougat. Everything seem to load fine. However, got an error message at boot for Evervolv and am unable to load Nougat. Error message is as follows...
Selected: 'boot Evervolv'
Loading '/boot/uImage.Evervolv'...Ok
Checking uImage...Invalid size
BOOT FAILED!
Press SELECT to continue
I presume what it means by press SELECT to continue is to press the home key. When I do so, it takes me into the boot menu moboot 0.3.8
boot TWRP
boot webOS
boot Evervolv
boot webOS Recovery
reboot
shutdown
When I try to boot again in Evervolv, I get the same error message over again.
What do you think?
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I'ts probably just a corrupt download, I've read this complaint before. Redownload the Nougat files and reinstall the recovery, rom and gapps.
1sharpguy said:
Oh yeah (full disclosure)...one more thing. In step 10 of your Rom Guide it says "-Select the System partition and swipe to wipe." I did this, but repeated it four different times because I didn't realize I had to touch the little home icon at the bottom of the page to return to the install button on the main menu. Not sure whether it would have had any effect on the install, but the error was a invalid size of uImage so wondering if by swiping to wipe the system partition so many times that I messed something up. That was the only thing I did that was different from your video and Rom Guide.
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Wiping a blank partition won't hurt the tablet, its just a bad download. Right under swipe to wipe its says go back to main menu... I could add click the home button to return to the main menu, if you think that would help. This is why I have both a video and a written guide, I'd recommend using both resources simultaneously.
Edit: I double checked the video and I tell you to press the home button and return to the main menu here
10)Reboot into TWRP recovery 3.0.3.0, Flash the Android 7.1 Rom and Gapps
-Once in the new TWRP 3.0.3.0 go to the Wipe menu and select Advanced Wipe.
-Select the System partition and swipe to wipe.
-go back to the main menu and select Install, locate the download folder on the left menu
-select and install the 7.1 Rom and the Gapps package then reboot.
Note: The first boot to android 7.1 can take sometime, Wait for it...
That was it. Corrupt download. After downloading Nougat again and reinstalling, eventually Android 7.1 booted and is now loaded. Yeeees!!! The bad news is that Nougat on my device is very unstable and sloooow. I was more impressed with Android KitKat. If something doesn't change with 7.1, I will probably revert back to KitKat. After having gone through this exercise, I feel more empowered (confident) to make such changes. Although frustrating at times, succeeding in switching out WebOS for Android was a great learning experience and a big deal for me (I never do these kind of things). For someone with virtually no skills or experience in this kind of thing, it was well worth it to give it a go. I just hated the thought of seeing this TouchPad turn into a boat anchor. Couldn't have done it without you Roland. Your video and instructions (along with followup support to the forum) was invaluable. Although I am feeling nostalgic for WebOS (I really liked that operating system. Wish it had made it.), it has been fun to breath new life into these HP TouchPads with Android.
I'm sorry you seemed to misunderstand my point from my previous thread about repeatedly wiping the system files. I was not being critical of your video or instructions, but rather trying to give as much information to you and the forum to try and understand why I was unable to get Nougat to boot. You have done a great job with conveying the steps for loading Android on TouchPads. You deserve a huge :good: for your trouble. Thanks again for all your input and helping me get her sorted out. Good on ya mate!!
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That was it. Corrupt download. After downloading Nougat again and reinstalling, eventually Android 7.1 booted and is now loaded. Yeeees!!! The bad news is that Nougat on my device is very unstable and sloooow. I was more impressed with Android KitKat. If something doesn't change with 7.1, I will probably revert back to KitKat. After having gone through this exercise, I feel more empowered (confident) to make such changes. Although frustrating at times, succeeding in switching out WebOS for Android was a great learning experience and a big deal for me (I never do these kind of things). For someone with virtually no skills or experience in this kind of thing, it was well worth it to give it a go. I just hated the thought of seeing this TouchPad turn into a boat anchor. Couldn't have done it without you Roland. Your video and instructions (along with followup support to the forum) was invaluable. Although I am feeling nostalgic for WebOS (I really liked that operating system. Wish it had made it.), it has been fun to breath new life into these HP TouchPads with Android.
I'm sorry you seemed to misunderstand my point from my previous thread about repeatedly wiping the system files. I was not being critical of your video or instructions, but rather trying to give as much information to you and the forum to try and understand why I was unable to get Nougat to boot. You have done a great job with conveying the steps for loading Android on TouchPads. You deserve a huge :good: for your trouble. Thanks again for all your input and helping me get her sorted out. Good on ya mate!!
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Congratulations are in order for getting this all done, i'm happy to hear the experience has empowered you with confidence and knowledge. I appreciate the feedback, my guide is aimed at users with little to no experience who just want to keep their HP TouchPad going.
No apology needed I just take my guides seriously and i'm always looking to improve them or fix mistakes. You'll see below I've added portions of this conversations to my troubleshooting section to help other users here. I'm just glad I didn't mess up that step in the video cause you can't fix those, a forum post is much easier to edit.
Nougat is still being worked on but as with any new version of android there will be bugs. Shumashs has an overclocked kernel that can boost the performance of the Evervolv nougat rom. However I highly recommend CM11 for users just looking for a stable and reliable setup. I'm happy we could save your tablet, enjoy it and check back sometime to see how Nougat is coming along.
Edits from my install guide:
Help I get this Error message after installing the Evervolv Nougat rom
Selected: 'boot Evervolv'
Loading '/boot/uImage.Evervolv'...Ok
Checking uImage...Invalid size
BOOT FAILED!
Press SELECT to continue
Solution
-You've downloaded a corrupt file, delete it and re-download the Nougat files.
-Repeat step 10 of the guide, flash the Rom and Gapps package from TWRP recovery.
Can't mount USB drive with CM11 and Windows 7
-Plug the HP TouchPad into your PC with the USB cable
-Go into Device manager. You will see "MTP USB Device" under portable devices.
-Right Click it and select update driver software
-Select Browse my computer for driver software
-Select Let me pick from a list of device drivers on my computer
-Select USB Mass Storage Device then click next to install the driver
10)Reboot into TWRP recovery 3.0.3.0, Flash the Android 7.1 Rom and Gapps
-Once in the new TWRP 3.0.3.0 go to the Wipe menu and select Advanced Wipe.
-Select the System partition and swipe to wipe.
-Click on the TWRP home button(bottom middle) to return to the main menu.
-Select Install, locate the download folder on the left menu.
-Select and install the 7.1 Rom and the Gapps package then reboot.
-After choosing to install the rom click the button to add additional zips, add the gapps package and put a check beside reboot when complete.
Note: The first boot to android 7.1 can take sometime, Wait for it...
I am having trouble with this.
I have tried the universal installer which correctly identifies it as 64bit system. But it fails at download stage, I guess because the file is no longer available where the installer is expecting it.
So then I tried running "NovacomInstaller_x64.msi" by double clicking it, which installs novacomd in my add/remove programs so it seemed to work. But when I run "tptb_v42_win.bat" it says
Code:
Setting Palm path ...
Checking novacom service ...
Loading TPToolbox ...
unable to find device
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Cannot connect to Touchpad.
Make sure Touchpad is connected with USB cable.
Make sure Touchpad is in webOS Recovery (bootie) mode
(where big USB symbol shows on Touchpad screen)
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Press any key to continue . . .
The touchpad is definitely on the Web OS recovery screen and connected via USD so I assume it must be to do with drivers not installing properly. Any advice on how I can check drivers?
thanks,
James
jamesking420 said:
I am having trouble with this.
I have tried the universal installer which correctly identifies it as 64bit system. But it fails at download stage, I guess because the file is no longer available where the installer is expecting it.
So then I tried running "NovacomInstaller_x64.msi" by double clicking it, which installs novacomd in my add/remove programs so it seemed to work. But when I run "tptb_v42_win.bat" it says
Code:
Setting Palm path ...
Checking novacom service ...
Loading TPToolbox ...
unable to find device
.
Cannot connect to Touchpad.
Make sure Touchpad is connected with USB cable.
Make sure Touchpad is in webOS Recovery (bootie) mode
(where big USB symbol shows on Touchpad screen)
.
Press any key to continue . . .
The touchpad is definitely on the Web OS recovery screen and connected via USD so I assume it must be to do with drivers not installing properly. Any advice on how I can check drivers?
thanks,
James
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You can following this thread ( I have you start at post 405 ) where another user called @smithylovestouchpad had the same issue with novacom not connecting to the server, and he was able to use a backup PC and it worked....
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=80016590&postcount=405
But that being said, your in luck James, because a "regular user" by his own admission, @HP_TOUCHPAD will be posting very soon what he likes to call "HP_Touchpad_Novacom_Recovery_Android", and with this, any user can perform the following tasks with one click on any computer:
1) Load the ToolBox (flash the A6 Firmware)
2) Fix /boot using Create_Boot ( If the Bermuda Triangle shows up ) or the Tablet can not boot.
3) Automatic_Wipe_All_and_Create_Android_with_Swap ( Total Data Reset )
4) If the Tablet needs to be set up only for Android.
5) Change the Ramdisk, make all setting modifications and create a Custom boot file.
HP_TOUCHPAD once said,
If the user ever needs help, the tablet can be setup "completely" by another user, even remotely running Automatic_Wipe to Android, all they need is an internet connection.
The Novacom Driver and Android ADB Shell will be permanent and fully working all the time regardless of the PC being used.
DoubleStuff said:
You can following this thread ( I have you start at post 405 ) where another user called @smithylovestouchpad had the same issue with novacom not connecting to the server, and he was able to use a backup PC and it worked....
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=80016590&postcount=405
But that being said, your in luck James, because a "regular user" by his own admission, @HP_TOUCHPAD will be posting very soon what he likes to call "HP_Touchpad_Novacom_Recovery_Android", and with this, any user can perform the following tasks with one click on any computer:
1) Load the ToolBox (flash the A6 Firmware)
2) Fix /boot using Create_Boot ( If the Bermuda Triangle shows up ) or the Tablet can not boot.
3) Automatic_Wipe_All_and_Create_Android_with_Swap ( Total Data Reset )
4) If the Tablet needs to be set up only for Android.
5) Change the Ramdisk, make all setting modifications and create a Custom boot file.
HP_TOUCHPAD once said,
If the user ever needs help, the tablet can be setup "completely" by another user, even remotely running Automatic_Wipe to Android, all they need is an internet connection.
The Novacom Driver and Android ADB Shell will be permanent and fully working all the time regardless of the PC being used.
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Thank you for your help. In the end a combination of installing and reinstalling novacom, restarting, and then plugging in the touchpad to a different USB port finally sorted it out! Then I used your tool to get a ROM etc on there.
Do you have any particular recommendation for a smooth ROM? Doesn't have to be latest version of Android, just something that runs super snooth!
I've installed Dirty Unicrorn Pi but it's a bit laggy. It'll be fine to use fit it's intended purpose, but anything that improves on this would be appreciated.
Cheers,
James
jamesking420 said:
Thank you for your help. In the end a combination of installing and reinstalling novacom, restarting, and then plugging in the touchpad to a different USB port finally sorted it out! Then I used your tool to get a ROM etc on there.
Do you have any particular recommendation for a smooth ROM? Doesn't have to be latest version of Android, just something that runs super snooth!
I've installed Dirty Unicrorn Pi but it's a bit laggy. It'll be fine to use fit it's intended purpose, but anything that improves on this would be appreciated.
Cheers,
James
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I am curious to what install process you have used to install the Dirty Unicorn Pie? Please respond, its nice to see what install processes some users are using....like what speed of Universal swap settings did you install?, did you use ROM reducer?
In the meantime since you have Novacom and TPTB installed try this process to install maybe Nougat, Oreo or Pie ( with /swap ) or KitKat or Lollipop. Once you read the OP it will direct you to the key Android versions to install on HP_TOUCHPAD's page.
I currently use KitKat and I am fine with that.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/hp...-guide-alternative-method-to-install-t3575861
Hi,
Thanks again for the advice.
I booted in to TPToolbox
Ran Complete Data Reset
Then rebooted to WebOS recovery.
Ran the ."TPTB_WipeAll_TWRP_v02_win.bat" which ended up with me in TWRP.
Then I installed ROM, reducer, gapps, optimiser, recovery, and super user via TWRP and it all raun when rebooted.
Now - another question - my second touchpad - It is currently sitting in the Touchpad toolbox screen. My PC has just broken (RAM corruption), I only have a Raspberry Pi which is not compatible with novacom drivers.
I've already ran "Complete Data Reset" but wasn't able to run the "TPTB_WipeAll_TWRP_v02_win.bat" before my windows PC got Blue Screen of Death!
So now I can copy zips to my touchpad and potentially install android, gapps, recovery using the tool. Then I figured I'd go in to recovery and flash "Automatic_Wipe_All_and_Create_Android_with_Swap_Partition" and start again.
The problem I have is I cannot flash android/recovery/gapps with TP Toolbox as I need a set of three compatible files.. Can anyone point me to a set of such files? Or another way of doing this from TP Toolbox - remember - I can't currently run anything on a PC!
This wouldn't be desperately urgent if it weren't for the fact that my mum wants to use these devices as digital photoframes on Thursday (my grandads funeral!).
Any help would be appreciated.
Currently I have
du_tenderloin-v13.0-20190328-1316-RC.zip
FLINTMAN-TWRP-touch-data_media-SELINUX-2.8.3.0-12-23-14.zip
I downloaded a zip from Open Gapps but TP Toolbox says its not compatible and will not flash.
jamesking420 said:
Hi,
Thanks again for the advice.
I booted in to TPToolbox
Ran Complete Data Reset
You don't have to do a Complete Data Reset anymore with the TPToolbox if your going to run TPTB_WireAll_TWRP_02_win.bat or flash Automatic_Wipe_All_and_Create_Android_with_Swap_Partition, it almost seems like your combining three different methods of installs, because TPTB_WipeAll_TWRP_v02_win.bat actually flashes Automatic_Wipe_All_and_Create_Android_with_Swap_Partition in the background and that actually does a complete data reset and creates a 500 Mb swap partition, and re-creates the system, cache, media and data partitions with sizes of 2200 Mb, 200 Mb, 500 Mb, and "rest of memory" respectively, also automatically installs version 3.2.1-0 of TWRP which is required for the other ZIPs.
Only use TPToolbox to flash A6 firmware, or look at partition sizes.
Then rebooted to WebOS recovery.
Ran the ."TPTB_WipeAll_TWRP_v02_win.bat" which ended up with me in TWRP.
Then I installed ROM, reducer, gapps, optimiser, recovery, and super user via TWRP and it all raun when rebooted.
Now - another question - my second touchpad - It is currently sitting in the Touchpad toolbox screen. My PC has just broken (RAM corruption), I only have a Raspberry Pi which is not compatible with novacom drivers.
I've already ran "Complete Data Reset" but wasn't able to run the "TPTB_WipeAll_TWRP_v02_win.bat" before my windows PC got Blue Screen of Death!
So now I can copy zips to my touchpad and potentially install android, gapps, recovery using the tool. Then I figured I'd go in to recovery and flash "Automatic_Wipe_All_and_Create_Android_with_Swap_Partition" and start again.
How are you copying zips to your touchpad if your PC does not work? Once you
flashed Automatic_Wipe_All_and_Create_Android_with_Swap_Partition it should get you to a
TWRP Recovery install screen, and you can then flash your zips, no need to use TPToolbox as I said before. Essentially TPToolbox is an "old school" method now. And flashing from TWRP Recovery you don't need compatible zips, that is a bug of TP Toolbox that has not been fixed.
The problem I have is I cannot flash android/recovery/gapps with TP Toolbox as I need a set of three compatible files.. Can anyone point me to a set of such files? Or another way of doing this from TP Toolbox - remember - I can't currently run anything on a PC!
I am curious, even if we point you to a set of such files, how are you going to copy them from a broken PC?, and see above for another way of doing this than from TPToolbox, if you can get into TWRP recovery and have zips on your Touchpad your all set.
This wouldn't be desperately urgent if it weren't for the fact that my mum wants to use these devices as digital photoframes on Thursday (my grandads funeral!).
Any help would be appreciated.
Currently I have
du_tenderloin-v13.0-20190328-1316-RC.zip
FLINTMAN-TWRP-touch-data_media-SELINUX-2.8.3.0-12-23-14.zip
I downloaded a zip from Open Gapps but TP Toolbox says its not compatible and will not flash.
Your PIE version above is the latest version, good. But the TWRP 2.8.3 version above is "old school" we are currently at this version FLINTMAN-TWRP-3.2.1-0-03-15-2018, and like I said above the "Wipe All" methods automatically install this latest TWRP version, so no need to flash an "old school" TWRP's afterwords.
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I made comments above in blue. Here is my summary.
Because your PC broke, like you said "blue screen of death, RAM corruption". This is the very reason that @HP_TOUCHPAD is thinking "outside the box" trying to create an environment that users will not be dependent on a PC anymore. He is in the process of creating this environment, but lets give him time. For by his own admission he is just a regular user, he is learning, experimenting, creating and testing. He is also documenting his findings for all of us to read, learn and apply. So let us do our due diligence and do the best we can.
I have a raspberry pi computer I can use that I can copy files to/from with but I cannot install novacom drivers on it as they are not compatible, as far as I'm aware.
I think I might have found a suitable grouping of ROM/gapps/recovery I can flash with tptoolbox - literally trying again now
jamesking420 said:
I have a raspberry pi computer I can use that I can copy files to/from with but I cannot install novacom drivers on it as they are not compatible, as far as I'm aware.
I think I might have found a suitable grouping of ROM/gapps/recovery I can flash with tptoolbox - literally trying again now
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This appears to be working to install a KK ROM so I will see if it comes up and I can then run the various flashes.
PS - yes - I did think that running Complete Data Reset and the "TPTB_WipeAll_TWRP_v02_win" was probably unecessary but I'd already run Complete Data Reset before I realised that it probably was overkill. Since this process worked I decided to do it again on the second touchpad, but the Windows PC died before I got the chance. But I had already run the process to load TPToolbox on to the tablet. So I'm now flashing TWRP v2.8.3.0 (data media), a KK ROM, and some KK compatible GApps using TPToolbox.
I hope that after that I can use the recovery I have loaded to install a new ROM, Rom Reducer, SU, Optimiser, GApps, and a more recent Recovery.
jamesking420 said:
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My PC has just broken (RAM corruption), I only have a Raspberry Pi which is not compatible with novacom drivers.
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I learn something new everyday, I just googled Raspberry Pi and its some sort of tiny, dual-display, desktop computer. At first I thought it was some sort of "Rogue ROM", I guess we can always learn something new everyday, like last month I learned to play Run Race 3d and I am not even a gamer.
And yesterday I wrote a program in a UNIX language called "AWK"
Yep it worked - so I then was in recovery on the device and I ran the Wipe all zip and then I flashed ROM, Optimiser, Reducer, Gapps, SU, recovery (again?!) and now it looks like it is loading in to Dirty Unicorn Pi.
I will have a play with it on the the max MHz optimiser kernel and then see if I want to stick with this or move on to an older/less system intensive ROM.
Thank you for your help!
jamesking420 said:
Yep it worked - so I then was in recovery on the device and I ran the Wipe all zip and then I flashed ROM, Optimiser, Reducer, Gapps, SU, recovery (again?!) and now it looks like it is loading in to Dirty Unicorn Pi.
I will have a play with it on the the max MHz optimiser kernel and then see if I want to stick with this or move on to an older/less system intensive ROM.
Thank you for your help!
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As per your comment recovery ( again?! ), only flash recovery if you want a different version than what the Wipe all zip flashes ( currently flashes TWRP 3.2.1 ), lets say in the future nobody is updating the Wipe all zip, and it still flashes TWRP 3.2.1, but you see a newer version of TWRP 4.1 compatible with the touchpad, then you can flash that at the tail end, or if your fond of an older version like TWPR 2.8, same thing.
Thanks - yes - I want sure if Wipe all Zip was flashing or just into TWRP so I flashed it again just to be on the safe side. Because it was called wioe ask I thought maybe it wasn't actually flashing anything new, just wiping and booting.
Anyway, thanks for your help it was very useful.
jamesking420 said:
Yep it worked - so I then was in recovery on the device and I ran the Wipe all zip and then I flashed ROM, Optimiser, Reducer, Gapps, SU, recovery (again?!) and now it looks like it is loading in to Dirty Unicorn Pi.
I will have a play with it on the the max MHz optimiser kernel and then see if I want to stick with this or move on to an older/less system intensive ROM.
Thank you for your help!
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The HP Touchpad Novacom Repair Android guide:
Click HERE for the Guide and File
A live Linux CD, just boot it from any PC, no installation is need it and have full control of the Tablet for ever !
Thanks for posting this, I'm sure it will be useful for many people.
Unfortunately on the way home from the funeral I left the two touchpads on top of the car as I was putting my kids in their car seats. They feel off at a roundabout which I imagine caused some damage. We turned around and went back for then and someone has nicked them! Ah well!
At 8 years old and costing less than £100 each they'd had a good innings.
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jamesking420 said:
Thanks for posting this, I'm sure it will be useful for many people.
Unfortunately on the way home from the funeral I left the two touchpads on top of the car as I was putting my kids in their car seats. They feel off at a roundabout which I imagine caused some damage. We turned around and went back for then and someone has nicked them! Ah well!
At 8 years old and costing less than £100 each they'd had a good innings.
Sent from my ONEPLUS A5000 using Tapatalk
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That is very unfortunate, but there is nothing to worry. The Tablets can be found for $10 anywhere and you maybe surprise to find in a dumpster somewhere.
But it can be revive to its full working conditions and all the files are posted on here, it only takes a click and is done!
This is the full message I get when I try to run the TPToolbox as one of the steps to install Android on my HP TouchPad.
Code:
Setting Palm path ...
Checking novacom service ...
'novacom' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.
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Cannot find novacom program. Try re-installing novacomd.
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Press any key to continue . . .
I've checked multiple times that Novacomd is installed, I've uninstalled and reinstalled more than a dozen times from different sources (auto-installer is dead so that's out), I've restarted my computer, I don't honestly know what else to do. I'm sorry if this doesn't belong on here, but I'm trying to set this thing up and found out the official servers are dead.
newnoobnoob said:
This is the full message I get when I try to run the TPToolbox as one of the steps to install Android on my HP TouchPad.
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The TPToolbox can only be use to install specific Android ROM and Recovery. It will not install or flash any other ROM; like Lollipop, Nougat, Oreo and Pie.
If the Tablet has only WebOS and the user wants to make it a pure Android device and flash any ROM then follow this guide:
Click HERE for HP TOUCHPAD Novacom Repair Android
Is a Linux live OS that has the novacom drivers built it and works 100% with no modification to the PC.
After the Wipe_All has been flash the Tablet is all set up and will boot into TWRP Recovery to flash any Android ROM follow this guide:
Click HERE for HP TOUCHPAD Optimize for All Android ROMs with Swap Partition