We need a synergy now. There's too many separate but insufficent discourses around. Also too much infollution. Let's discuss it here.
What we have to illuminate?
1) Best fast charger with type-a output?
2) Which ones charges fast (not only 3A)?
3) Are type-a chargers are capable to output 3A or not?
3a) If they are not, which wall chargers we should use for fast charging?
3b) if they are is there any (for example Tronsmart has a new 3A charger)
We may multiply the questions but we also need answers.
I know there's an article on droid-life but they only tested 5-6 chargers. We need more tests I think.
We have 1 rule: NO CAR CHARGERS!
I'm pretty sure that simply put, A to C does up to only 2.4A. Doesn't matter what wall charger you have. If you want full 3A fast charging speeds, C to C is the only way.
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EeZeEpEe said:
I'm pretty sure that simply put, A to C does up to only 2.4A. Doesn't matter what wall charger you have. If you want full 3A fast charging speeds, C to C is the only way.
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I second this. I have been digging into this the last few days. Here is what I have gathered. In order to be to "spec" USB A to C cables are only to pull up to 2.4A. USB C to C are only to pull up to 3A.
So, in my opinion it would be a waste to buy any USB A type wall chargers. I know I will only be looking at USB C type wall chargers myself. I mean, I want to take full advantage of and utilize the technology of my new phone to the fullest.
Now, in theory, if you had a USB A to USB C cable that was out of spec (3A pull) and a USB A wall charger that was capable of outputting 3A, it would charge as fast as a USB C to USB C. Like I said, in theory.
The problem that is going around right now is that the USB C side of a bunch of the USB A to USB C cables is trying to pull 3A, when it is only suppose to be pulling 2.4A max. The problem with that is, most wall chargers, usb ports on computers, etc can not handle outputting 3A. So, they can (and do!) brown out. (fry out / die / permanent damage)
I have been looking around for wall chargers with actual USB C ports on them, but I have yet to come across any. (Other than the stock chargers for the 5X and 6P and the ones on the google store) I will keep an eye on this thread, and will update when I do.
It looks like that the main issue is the a to c cable. I'm telling this because as I said there's a 3A pull-up capable type a charger with Qualcomm QC 3.0:
http://www.tronsmart.com/products/tronsmart-wc1t-quick-charge-3.0-wall-charger
It means; at least; that type a - micro usb is capable to push/pull up 3A but if the limit on a to c is max. 2.4A this cables are not capable. It's really interesting. I know nothing about cables technically.
But with my high school physics knowledge I can say that if type c corner may pull-up 3A from the charger and if the charger is incapable and becomes hot it means that the cable tries to pullup 3A and also type a corner of the cable may pull 3A.
So if the charger is capable to push 3A a to c may pull up to 3A.
Why we say a to c does only up to 2.4A then?
kamajikaciya said:
It looks like that the main issue is the a to c cable. I'm telling this because as I said there's a 3A pull-up capable type a charger with Qualcomm QC 3.0:
http://www.tronsmart.com/products/tronsmart-wc1t-quick-charge-3.0-wall-charger
It means; at least; that type a - micro usb is capable to push/pull up 3A but if the limit on a to c is max. 2.4A this cables are not capable. It's really interesting. I know nothing about cables technically.
But with my high school physics knowledge I can say that if type c corner may pull-up 3A from the charger and if the charger is incapable and becomes hot it means that the cable tries to pullup 3A and also type a corner of the cable may pull 3A.
So if the charger is capable to push 3A a to c may pull up to 3A.
Why we say a to c does only up to 2.4A then?
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The answer for this question from Benson:
Tronsmart's Quick Charge 3.0 charger has a Type-A port, and if you read the fine print, at 5V, it is only allowed to output 2A. This charger is NOT capable of 3A.
Furthermore, you misunderstand the need for the pullup resistor. The pullup resistor is on a new pin in the Type-C connector and plug that doesn't exist on Type-A or Type-B plugs or connectors called CC or Configuration Channel.
kamajikaciya said:
So if the charger is capable to push 3A a to c may pull up to 3A.
Why we say a to c does only up to 2.4A then?
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A to C cables have to advertise default USB power which is 0,5A, because that it how USB used to work.
More current can be negotiated using a special combination of resistors connected to the data lines. There is 0.5, 1.5 and 2.4A, (and possibly more negotiations I don't remember)
gizzmoffm said:
A to C cables have to advertise default USB power which is 0,5A, because that it how USB used to work.
More current can be negotiated using a special combination of resistors connected to the data lines. There is 0.5, 1.5 and 2.4A, (and possibly more negotiations I don't remember)
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May you be a little bit specific? We will get only 0,5A with a to c cables or it depends on charger's capacity?
For example I have 1 FrieQ and 2 Google a to c cable. Which ampere this cables will be able to pull from charger? 0,5A always or up to 2,4A max?
With a USB A to C cables which fulfils the specs, the phone will first see a legacy USB Port with 0.5A and then it can negotiate a higher current up to 2.4A.
What is possible depends on the charger though.
You may Google for 'USB DCP divider mode' to find more information about possible combinations.
USB C is going to be the standard in the future. I don't own a tablet, or any other devices myself. So I have no need for any type A adapters now. I am just going to stick with Type C to C adapters for my 5X. Seems the best way to go. I bought 1 x 3' USB A to USB C cable and it is only for hooking my 5X to my computer.
I bought the Vinsic charger and a 3' USB C to USB C cable for my car. Both were approved by Benson. The Vinsic charger is a car charger, and it has a 3A USB C Port on it. The 5X displays "charging rapidly" when plugged into it. (It also has a 2.4A USB A port on it as well, but you wont get full amperage when charging two devices at the same time) Sorry, I know you said no car chargers but it goes with the whole USB A is 2.4A and USB C is 3A, just like house chargers. Now, that Quick Charger 3.0 adapter is interesting. I wonder if the 2.4A spec only applies to USB A to USB C cables. Can a USB A to Micro USB cable pull 3A?
I am still looking around and keeping an eye out for more USB C house charges. I will post my findings.
EeZeEpEe said:
I'm pretty sure that simply put, A to C does up to only 2.4A. Doesn't matter what wall charger you have. If you want full 3A fast charging speeds, C to C is the only way.
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That is the answer. I'm currently testing this quick charge with AC cable, and using a Type-C charger with CC cable.
http://www.amazon.com/CHOETECH-Charging-Technology-Certified-Supported/dp/B017I7EX46/
please share your experience
st8chic said:
That is the answer. I'm currently testing this quick charge with AC cable, and using a Type-C charger with CC cable.
http://www.amazon.com/CHOETECH-Charging-Technology-Certified-Supported/dp/B017I7EX46/
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i like to order one, pls share your experience.
that the only type c charger for the moment.
TNX
pinkman1 said:
i like to order one, pls share your experience.
that the only type c charger for the moment.
TNX
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It is well built and works fine...almost the same speed as the OEM charger.
I picked up their Type C-C cable and charger and have had a week to compare them to the OEM units we received with our handset.
I was expecting marginal quality because of the low cost and unfamiliar manufacturer. When the order arrived, I was impressed with the packaging, which speaks volumes to me. When you make a quality product, presentation matters. Conversely, when your selling junk, you throw it in the cheapest plastic bag possible and call it good.
After using this cable and charger exclusively for the past seven days, I can confirm it's as good as the OEM. Personally, I like the Choetech cable better because it's sturdier in my hand.
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They now have a power bank up on Amazon which will be my next purchase. I'm confident that it will be solid based on my experience with them to date. I saw a similar power bank that was given in a Project Fi welcome kit and I've been lusting over one ever since.
tgearman said:
I picked up their Type C-C cable and charger and have had a week to compare them to the OEM units we received with our handset.
I was expecting marginal quality because of the low cost and unfamiliar manufacturer. When the order arrived, I was impressed with the packaging, which speaks volumes to me. When you make a quality product, presentation matters. Conversely, when your selling junk, you throw it in the cheapest plastic bag possible and call it good.
After using this cable and charger exclusively for the past seven days, I can confirm it's as good as the OEM. Personally, I like the Choetech cable better because it's sturdier in my hand.
They now have a power bank up on Amazon which will be my next purchase. I'm confident that it will be solid based on my experience with them to date. I saw a similar power bank that was given in a Project Fi welcome kit and I've been lusting over one ever since.
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Just looked up power bank you mentioned:
(Type C) CHOETECH 10400mAH Portable Charger External Battery Power Bank Fast Charger for Fast Charger for Lumia 950xl /950,Nexus 5x/Nexus 6p https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0188DIXX6/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_OpozwbDTBXJY6
Looks like it's only type-C input though.
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EeZeEpEe said:
Just looked up power bank you mentioned:
(Type C) CHOETECH 10400mAH Portable Charger External Battery Power Bank Fast Charger for Fast Charger for Lumia 950xl /950,Nexus 5x/Nexus 6p https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0188DIXX6/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_OpozwbDTBXJY6
Looks like it's only type-C input though.
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What a shame its not type C output....which is what people would want for nexus's
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I wanted to start a thread directly related to cables that are confirmed "charging rapidly." There are a handful of posts around here that talk about usb A to C but I had a hard time finding cables that actually brought the message up on my phone. Lastly before I start the list I wanted to mention that I understand the Nexus 5X I usb 2.0 only but just due to a future proofing mentality I prefer 3.0 cables.
I will update this thread accordingly as more people post results of cables that do support fast charging. During the testing make sure you are using a charger that supports high amperage output. I am using the following charger that supports 3.0 amp output per port.
Cables Confirmed Charging Rapidly
USB Type C To USB Type A Cable, TechMatte® USB 3.0 (USB 3.1 Gen 1) Type C (USB-C) Charging Data Sync Cable - Does not follow usb spec. [edit] as of 11/18 customers that have purchased this cable can request a new-to-spec cable from Techmatte and they will ship a new one. I will review the new unit when it comes in.
PECHAM B32 USB 3.1 Type C Male to Type A USB 3.0 Male Cable - usb spec. unconfirmed
Google - USB Type-C to USB Standard-A Plug Cable - Does follow usb spec. (only usb 2.0)
USB Type C Cable, CHOETECH 3.3ft - Does not follow usb spec. (only usb 2.0)
Cables Confirmed Not Charging Rapidly
BuyCheapCables® 6Ft. USB 3.1 Type-C Male to Standard Type-A Male - usb spec. unconfirmed
Juiced Systems USB-C (USB Type-C) to USB 3.0 - Does not follow usb spec.
USB 3.1 Type C Cable, JOTO USB-C 3.1 Type-C Male to Standard USB 3.0 Type A Male Charging Cable - Does not follow usb spec.
Type C, iOrange-E™ 6.6 Ft (2M) Braided Cable with Reversible Connector - Does follow usb spec. (only usb 2.0)
OnePlus Type-C Cable - Does not follow usb spec. (only usb 2.0)
Hi, I read a lot of fast charging cables...but did not noticed those..where is the techmatte confirmed? Tnx
fosser2 said:
I wanted to start a thread directly related to cables that are confirmed "charging rapidly." There are a handful of posts around here that talk about usb A to C but I had a hard time finding cables that actually brought the message up on my phone. Lastly before I start the list I wanted to mention that I understand the Nexus 5X I usb 2.0 only but just due to a future proofing mentality I prefer 3.0 cables.
I will update this thread accordingly as more people post results of cables that do support fast charging. During the testing make sure you are using a charger that supports high amperage output. I am using the following charger that supports 3.0 amp output per port.
Cables Confirmed Charging Rapidly
USB Type C To USB Type A Cable, TechMatte® USB 3.0 (USB 3.1 Gen 1) Type C (USB-C) Charging Data Sync Cable
Cables Confirmed Not Charging Rapidly
BuyCheapCables® 6Ft. USB 3.1 Type-C Male to Standard Type-A Male
Juiced Systems USB-C (USB Type-C) to USB 3.0
USB 3.1 Type C Cable, JOTO USB-C 3.1 Type-C Male to Standard USB 3.0 Type A Male Charging Cable
Type C, iOrange-E™ 6.6 Ft (2M) Braided Cable with Reversible Connector
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But beware some of those "fast charging USB A to C cable are not to spec according to Google engineer
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roxtedy169 said:
Hi, I read a lot of fast charging cables...but did not noticed those..where is the techmatte confirmed? Tnx
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I can confirm the techmatte cable is showing fast charging. I cannot confirm if the cable is actually to spec.
GreenDroidX said:
But beware some of those "fast charging USB A to C cable are not to spec according to Google engineer
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I totally understand. I have been reading all of the reviews that he has been posting. I will update the OP with approved cables later today if possible.
FWIW, the Juiced Systems cable shows 'Charging Rapidly' for me...
FWIW, https://store.google.com/product/usb_type_c_to_usb_standard_a_plug_cable is back in stock.
iOrange-E cable shows rapid charge for me. Cost of cable has gone way up though though since I picked up mine. Probably not worth it.
I really hope this thread continues and gets more updates
banksc said:
FWIW, the Juiced Systems cable shows 'Charging Rapidly' for me...
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Could you link the cord that you bought? If it is the same one that is in the OP please link the charger you are using.
BinkXDA said:
FWIW, https://store.google.com/product/usb_type_c_to_usb_standard_a_plug_cable is back in stock.
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Thank you, I have ordered this cable. I will review when it comes in.
elherr said:
iOrange-E cable shows rapid charge for me. Cost of cable has gone way up though though since I picked up mine. Probably not worth it.
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Interesting... I know for sure this cable did not show rapid charging on (2) Nexus 5X's that I tried it on. I was using a 3A charger. Are you sure it is the same one that is posted in the OP?
Tank87 said:
I really hope this thread continues and gets more updates
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I will do my best to keep it updated.
Here is the link to the Juiced cable I bought:
Juiced Systems USB-C
The charger is an iClever charger, don't have any details on it...
I have a Pecham branded A to C cable bought from Amazon for £6.59 so approx $10. Its well made, braided with metal housings for the connectors. Charging with this one shows Charging rapidly on the lockscreen.
I also have an A to C cable direct from the Google store £10 ($15) Also good quality but slimmer and much more flexible than the Pecham.
I only see Charging on the lockscreen using this one.
Despite the differences the Ampere app indicates a charge rate of Approx 1700mAH for both cables!
For these tests I used an Anker Powercore 20100 battery pack and an Anker 40W 5 port mains charger. charge rates were identical.
banksc said:
Here is the link to the Juiced cable I bought:
Juiced Systems USB-C
The charger is an iClever charger, don't have any details on it...
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It is interesting that you were able to get this cable to register as charging rapidly. It is the exact same cable that I bought and returned and with a 3A charger it did not register as charging rapidly on my phone. For right now I will leave this cable in the category that it is in until further confirmation. I wonder if it is a charger specific thing?
basill said:
I have a Pecham branded A to C cable bought from Amazon for £6.59 so approx $10. Its well made, braided with metal housings for the connectors. Charging with this one shows Charging rapidly on the lockscreen.
I also have an A to C cable direct from the Google store £10 ($15) Also good quality but slimmer and much more flexible than the Pecham.
I only see Charging on the lockscreen using this one.
Despite the differences the Ampere app indicates a charge rate of Approx 1700mAH for both cables!
For these tests I used an Anker Powercore 20100 battery pack and an Anker 40W 5 port mains charger. charge rates were identical.
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I have added the Pecham cable to the OP. Thanks for the confirmation. I am getting the Google OEM cable A - C tomorrow. I will see if I can reproduce the results that you got with the OEM cable.
fosser2 said:
Interesting... I know for sure this cable did not show rapid charging on (2) Nexus 5X's that I tried it on. I was using a 3A charger. Are you sure it is the same one that is posted in the OP?
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Cable:
iOrange-E 6.6ft cable
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010VFFU1W
Charger I am using:
Anker 3 port 6 amp
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00T9D7RSM
My 5X shows "Charging rapidly" on the lock screen right now. It does not show that every time I plug it in -- but then again, neither does the stock charger.
elherr said:
Cable:
iOrange-E 6.6ft cable
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010VFFU1W
Charger I am using:
Anker 3 port 6 amp
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00T9D7RSM
My 5X shows "Charging rapidly" on the lock screen right now. It does not show that every time I plug it in -- but then again, neither does the stock charger.
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Up until tonight I didn't realize that charging rapidly does not show every time. I will dig into this further this week. I will also be adding the official OEM A to C cable from Google to the list.
I'm confused, I thought USB A to C can only suppose 2.4A max
You're using a charging brick that uses 3A output, does that mean .6A does not get used?
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Ironically "fast charging cables" are just out-of-specification cables, so if you want them just pay $1 for cables on eBay.
sturmeh said:
Ironically "fast charging cables" are just out-of-specification cables, so if you want them just pay $1 for cables on eBay.
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The OEM Google cable display's fast charging and that is not out of spec. Really the purpose of this thread is to find cables that are actually following the USB spec and allowing the message "charging rapidly" to display on your phone. I understand that the max a cable that is to spec. will put out is 2.4A.
fosser2 said:
The OEM Google cable display's fast charging and that is not out of spec. Really the purpose of this thread is to find cables that are actually following the USB spec and allowing the message "charging rapidly" to display on your phone. I understand that the max a cable that is to spec. will put out is 2.4A.
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The OEM Google cable (USB-A to USB-C) does not fast charge when you plug it into a non-fast charging compatible source (such as a PC's USB ports).
Any USB-C cable should be capable of fast charging when plugged into an adapter rated for 3A current draw.
Cables that are not to spec will allow the phone to "charge rapidly" when it should not be charging rapidly.
fosser2 said:
The OEM Google cable display's fast charging and that is not out of spec. Really the purpose of this thread is to find cables that are actually following the USB spec and allowing the message "charging rapidly" to display on your phone. I understand that the max a cable that is to spec. will put out is 2.4A.
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It displays fast charging because C -> C allows for more amps to be drawn
danthepan124 said:
It displays fast charging because C -> C allows for more amps to be drawn
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I agree with that, but there are certain cables that still follow the A -> C spec and allow "charging rapidly" when paired with the proper charger. I know they won't be capable of the full 2.8A - 3.0A but they can allow a max of 2.4A, and that's something that is ok with me.
Hello,
So I just ordered a Nexus 5X. I am trying to figure out what the deal is with the issues with some USB C cable and what is the best option for aftermarket chargers.
Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems USB A to USB C cables are 2.4A max. USB C to USB C are 3A max. So the way to obtain the fastest charging possible is to have a 3A wall plug and a 3A capable USB C to USB C cable?
I am content with the OEM charger for the house, so I am mainly trying to figure out what to get for a charger for my car. Should I be looking for a 3 Amp car plug and a 3 Amp cable? Or am I looking for 2.4A / 2.4A? I am totally confused.
Also, I read somewhere that the Nexus 5X has a chip on the logic board that makes it fully compatible for Qualcomm Quickcharge 3.0, and that it may be available later on through an update. Anyone heard this? If so I may as well get Quickcharge 3.0 products.
If someone could please explain this whole USB C ordeal I would greatly appreciate it. Thank You!
EDIT:
I figured it all out. I ended up order the following:
Cable Matters 3.3ft USB to USB C Cable ( This will be my data / sync cable)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00S8GU2OC?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00
Cable Matters 3.3ft USB C to USB C Cable ( This will be for my car)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00WAKL4TY?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00
Vinsic 3A USB C Car Charger (This has a USB C and a USB Port)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014F2NQ36?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00
The Cable Matters USB to USB C has been confirmed compliant by Benson Leung so I wont have to worry about it frying any USB ports on my computer. lol
Rektifying said:
Hello,
So I just ordered a Nexus 5X. I am trying to figure out what the deal is with the issues with some USB C cable and what is the best option for aftermarket chargers.
Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems USB A to USB C cables are 2.4A max. USB C to USB C are 3A max. So the way to obtain the fastest charging possible is to have a 3A wall plug and a 3A capable USB C to USB C cable?
I am content with the OEM charger for the house, so I am mainly trying to figure out what to get for a charger for my car. Should I be looking for a 3 Amp car plug and a 3 Amp cable? Or am I looking for 2.4A / 2.4A? I am totally confused.
Also, I read somewhere that the Nexus 5X has a chip on the logic board that makes it fully compatible for Qualcomm Quickcharge 3.0, and that it may be available later on through an update. Anyone heard this? If so I may as well get Quickcharge 3.0 products.
If someone could please explain this whole USB C ordeal I would greatly appreciate it. Thank You!
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Sounds like you got the info just right. What's important about A to C is the resistor used and that it meets specifications. If not it'll be asking a charger for 3.0A when it can't give it possibly leading to burning out the charger. For me, I got the Elegiant A to C cables (which are compliant) for older ports since C isn't as readily available. Good for old car chargers, old wall chargers, hotel rooms, shopping center charging stations, etc. C to C is necessary for full rapid charging so I'm waiting for a car charger and compact battery bank that support 3.0A type C.
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Interested in your point about QC 3.0 being future ready. Where did you read that? Link?
Here is a good list of compliant cables, I wish I saw this before I ordered my cable.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...1V4-eP_sfNVNzbA/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true
EeZeEpEe said:
Sounds like you got the info just right. What's important about A to C is the resistor used and that it meets specifications. If not it'll be asking a charger for 3.0A when it can't give it possibly leading to bring out the charger. For me, I got the Elegiant A to C cables (which are compliant) for older ports since C isn't as readily available. Good for old car chargers, old wall chargers, hotel rooms, shopping center charging stations, etc. C to C is necessary for full rapid charging so I'm waiting for a car charger and compact battery bank that support 3.0A type C.
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Thank you for clarifying. I thought I had it right I just wanted to make sure.
Also, I came across a 3A car charger. I already ordered it. There were a couple reviews that stated it wouldn't run at 3A, but there were also reviews stating that it does run on 3A IF you use the USB C port only. (It has a USB and a USB C Port) So I am assuming the people who had issues were probably using the USB side.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014F2NQ36?redirect=true&ref_=ya_st_dp_summary
gleggie said:
Here is a good list of compliant cables, I wish I saw this before I ordered my cable.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...1V4-eP_sfNVNzbA/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true
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Thank you for the link! Everything I just ordered is on that list as approved! lol
minnemike said:
Interested in your point about QC 3.0 being future ready. Where did you read that? Link?
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I'm trying to hunt down the article where I read it. I will update when I find it. (with a new post)
minnemike said:
Interested in your point about QC 3.0 being future ready. Where did you read that? Link?
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I can't find the article I read that stated QC 3.0 (I think they were wrong anyways), but I did hop over to the iFixit Nexus 5X tear down page. I remembered that they always list the IC's on logic boards for their tear downs. Sure enough, the Nexus 5X has the Qualcomm SMB1358 Quick Charge 2.0 IC.
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nexus+5X+Teardown/51318
I bought a Nexus 5x from the USA, but I live in the UK. I will therefore need to replace the wall charger when it arrives.
For my old Nexus 5 I use an iPad charger. This is fast, and adaptable, since I travel a lot, I can switch the figure of 8 input on the iPad charger to whatever country I am in, and it allows me to carry only one charger and switch between Nexus and iPad charging.
I realise that the old iPad charger will be quite slow to charge my new nexus 5x. I would like a replacement that is at least as dependable as my iPad charger, but with the usb-c standard. The perfect charger would have swappable plugs, like the iPad, with a usb-c AND standard usb 2/3 ports.
Any ideas?
Nobody found an alternative to this yet? Is it at least possible to buy a standard, genuine, nexus 5x charger with a uk plug?
Can't you just use an outlet adapter?
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I now have my US plug and a clumsy US->UK adapter. Not the perfect solution:
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I assume that a host of USB-C plugs will come out in the next few months. I am still craving that Apple charger functionality.
I ordered Googles charger, its compact and has a long/slim cable. Recommended!
I have the eu-plug but it should be available in UK model...
I only bought and adapter
Well, I had a Moto X 2014 with quick charger and I lost it, so my replacement was the 5X. In order to keep my previous chargers I bought a micro usb -> Usb C adapter. It's works pretty well for both charging and data transfer and isn't that expensive and you can still use your previous charger.
http://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B018AM74KI?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00
Remember that the OEM charger has an output of 3.0A so you might use a big charger, like the one of an IPAD or S6.
Chuliander said:
Well, I had a Moto X 2014 with quick charger and I lost it, so my replacement was the 5X. In order to keep my previous chargers I bought a micro usb -> Usb C adapter. It's works pretty well for both charging and data transfer and isn't that expensive and you can still use your previous charger.
http://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B018AM74KI?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00
Remember that the OEM charger has an output of 3.0A so you might use a big charger, like the one of an IPAD or S6.
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From what I understand though, the old USB formats are not capable of delivering 3.0A. It has to be USB-C. Adapters will turn your charge to 2.5A maximum.
I might be wrong, but have read a few things that suggest this. With my official Google charger I can charge my Nexus 5x fully in about 30 minutes.
therourke said:
From what I understand though, the old USB formats are not capable of delivering 3.0A. It has to be USB-C. Adapters will turn your charge to 2.5A maximum.
I might be wrong, but have read a few things that suggest this. With my official Google charger I can charge my Nexus 5x fully in about 30 minutes.
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I believe you are right, it might not charge at 3.0 A, but it did a good job with my 2.4A Aukey charger. I didn't measure the charging time, but it's aceptable. I can run some tests if your are still interest.
http://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B0116ZQ9J8?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage
Chuliander said:
I believe you are right, it might not charge at 3.0 A, but it did a good job with my 2.4A Aukey charger. I didn't measure the charging time, but it's aceptable. I can run some tests if your are still interest.
http://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B0116ZQ9J8?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage
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I eventually went for the official Google wired charger. My multi-function figure of 8 USB-c charger dreams will have to wait.
You can just get a USB C adapter that will let you use your old phone cables - http://www.amazon.com/TechMatte-Con...&qid=1452787474&sr=8-3&keywords=usb+c+adapter
dianestory2 said:
You can just get a USB C adapter that will let you use your old phone cables - http://www.amazon.com/TechMatte-Con...&qid=1452787474&sr=8-3&keywords=usb+c+adapter
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No. This will only charge at old USB ampage (and therefore speed).
I'm curious if anyone has tried these likely fake 5V/3A chargers from ebay?
e.g. Genuine 5V/3A Fast Charger AC Wall Adapter Type C Cable F LG Nexus 5X H791 H790
envoi79 said:
I think you need this one:
Search B019C23ZGW on amazon(dot)com
Sorry new users can't post links ))
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That looks great except.... I live in the UK.
My perfect charger would be something like this, but with a modular plug - like the Apple chargers - with a figure of 8 input compatible with these.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01A8V6RI4?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00
this one's pretty good (just don't charge 3 devices at once)
search for Choetech on Amazon UK
I'm in the same/similar boat as I've got a nexus 5x with the wrong country's charger-type - With the little adapter-things that just change the plug on the older micro-USB cables, is there a danger of cheap ones such as this http://www.ebay.com/itm/Portable-Mi...333069?hash=item2ca48e09cd:g:LDgAAOSwFGNWSUtf damaging the charger into which it is plugged, or worse yet the actual phone? What would be the cheapest *safe* cable which would charge the nexus 5x off any standard USB A port (ie. older chargers or a computer) (even at slower speed) as I have a lot of older chargers around and like to keep them at a few places so getting one cable is the best way to do this.
apopberz said:
I'm in the same/similar boat as I've got a nexus 5x with the wrong country's charger-type - With the little adapter-things that just change the plug on the older micro-USB cables, is there a danger of cheap ones such as this http://www.ebay.com/itm/Portable-Mi...333069?hash=item2ca48e09cd:g:LDgAAOSwFGNWSUtf damaging the charger into which it is plugged, or worse yet the actual phone? What would be the cheapest *safe* cable which would charge the nexus 5x off any standard USB A port (ie. older chargers or a computer) (even at slower speed) as I have a lot of older chargers around and like to keep them at a few places so getting one cable is the best way to do this.
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Here's the cheapest Benson approved cable:
http://www.amazon.com/CHOETECH-Hi-s...sb-20&linkId=5fb5aeb5a0a13be2651623d21bce4a0a
As listed here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...XK1dl8I91V4-eP_sfNVNzbA/edit?usp=docslist_api
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I already own an Anker multi port charger, and have just bought the new one which has 1 USB C port and 4 standard USB ports with a total out put of 40W. The USB C port is rated at 3A and charges my 5x quickly. The other ports are 2.4A maximum and I have had no problems charging several devices simultaneously, Its a little smaller than a cigarette packet and has the figure 8 socket for change of power lead when travelling.
Thoroughly recommended
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0196IMNTC
Hello,
I recently bought a Nexus 5X, and as you know it comes without a USB C to A adapter. So I ordered a cable from a china online store and will test it with CheckR. But if it isn't safe I was wondering if I could make an adapter that would connect the data lines to computer and the 5v line to an external power supply, capable of supplying 5V/10A. Does anyone know if this would work and how safe would it be?
The connections are shown in the schematic on the link(remove the space between goo. and gl)
goo. gl/yaSZZ0
Thanks for any help!
I can't figure out where the danger is here. If you have a charger that outputs 5v @ 1.0 amp, it's going to output that to the phone no matter what right? The phone is essentially the dumb end right, it takes what it can get.
I have cables now that according to Benson do not meet the USB C spec, and cables that do meet the spec. Both brands of cables pass the Checkr app test though.
Both cables say charging slowly on the phone when plugged into a low amp charger or a PC port. The only difference I've noticed is the cable with the 56k pullup resistor still says charging even when hooked to a port that is cable of rapid charging.
So best I can tell nothing can be damaged here, just if you get the "in spec" cable with the 56k resistor, it will always slow charge, even when plugged into a device cable of charging faster?
*edit* Just for clarification, the cable with the 56k resistor will do "charging slowly" and "charging", whereas the cable without will do rapid charging on devices that can output the extra current. So while I say slow charging, it's still capable of charging at a "normal" rate */edit*
A big part of the issue is that it can try to pull more current from the port than the port can supply, and possibly damage it. Once the port is damaged who knows how it will react or what it will be supplying. Most USB A ports aren't going to supply 3A safely that's where the concern is. On the unsafe thing here is more https://plus.google.com/+BensonLeung/posts/HakwCMmd346
You are essentially creating a powered hub with that, I've done similar to make a powered OTG. You should be able to charge from it if the power supply is correct. Obviously, it's on you to decide if it is correct and worth the possible risk.
So I get voltage is pushed, amperage is pulled. So is the problem only on incorrectly designed power supplies / chargers that dont limit their output current?
So far every port / charger Ive used my 5x has charged correctly on (only drawing what the port can supply). The only catch here is cables that Benson tested in spec (with the 56k pull up resistor) wont support "charging rapidly" on ports that are capable of it.
OhioYJ said:
So I get voltage is pushed, amperage is pulled. So is the problem only on incorrectly designed power supplies / chargers that dont limit their output current?
So far every port / charger Ive used my 5x has charged correctly on (only drawing what the port can supply). The only catch here is cables that Benson tested in spec (with the 56k pull up resistor) wont support "charging rapidly" on ports that are capable of it.
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One thing to consider is that the USB A chargers were never meant to charge C devices, so it's not that they are all improperly designed, just that they are designed for a different spec. The PU is on the Configuration Control pin and is meant to configure the device to what the source is rated for, 56k will set it to "Default USB Power 500mA for USB2.0, 900mA for USB3.0". The charger lacks the PU to configure the device and the 56k PU in the cord is there to fix that and sets it to default values in order to make it work across all sources/ports. I found some C spec information from here if you want more to look at.
As long as the 5X was getting no more than it's 5v 3A and the source was safely providing the power then I don't see where the issue would be.
Keithn said:
One thing to consider is that the USB A chargers were never meant to charge C devices, so it's not that they are all improperly designed, just that they are designed for a different spec.
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I'm more inferring that if there is a fire or melted plug, it was an improperly designed device. Any charger or power supply should be limited to a max safe current anyways, regardless of what the device or cable would like to pull.
Thanks for the link though, I had never really looked into why (how) it was reversible, or what the various resistor were doing. It's actually a pretty interesting read. It really strikes me as they wanted to create a do it all cable, but that just ended up making it really complex for no reason.
Ok so in the end the CheckR app claims the phone is charging with 3A and that the cable is unsafe but the phone says charging slowly and i tested with an ammeter and it's only about 350mA so the cable is safe. Apparently the CheckR app really can't be trusted.
sasko123 said:
Ok so in the end the CheckR app claims the phone is charging with 3A and that the cable is unsafe but the phone says charging slowly and i tested with an ammeter and it's only about 350mA so the cable is safe. Apparently the CheckR app really can't be trusted.
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Which cable are you using? It is not necessary for the 5X to draw 3A at all times, in fact it wont - even with the stock USB C charger. It depends on the current battery level, the heat, and the charger. And don't go by the 'charging rapidly/slowly' indication, it isn't consistent when the 5X is paired with Type A cables (compliant or not) and chargers. Using Ampere or Current Monitor is better to monitor the draw.
roofrider said:
Which cable are you using? It is not necessary for the 5X to draw 3A at all times, in fact it wont - even with the stock USB C charger. It depends on the current battery level, the heat, and the charger. And don't go by the 'charging rapidly/slowly' indication, it isn't consistent when the 5X is paired with Type A cables (compliant or not) and chargers. Using Ampere or Current Monitor is better to monitor the draw.
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I'm using this cable: goo. gl/ayfgEk (can't post links yet). I did a test today and the result is: according to my ammeter at 27% battery the phone draws about 250-400mA. At the same time the Ampere app jumps from 190 to 540mA (it even went to over 2000mA but I didn't get a picture of that) so the cable seems safe to me. So am I missing something or the Ampere app really can't be trusted?
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I'm using the cable here goo. gl/ayfgEk (can't post link yet) I think using a physical ammeter would be the best way to monitor the current. I will do some more testing(using both the Ampere app and my ammeter) at different battery levels. Will report back.
Also the site claims it's USB 3.0 but it's actually just 2.0 with blue plastic
[EDIT: sorry for double post looks like i still had a draft saved on the phone and accidentally posted it now]
I think the app can be trusted, but which charger were you using? Was it connected to a USB port? I would suggest testing it further. Even the Current Monitor app can validate compliant USB C->A cables, so you could give that a shot as well.
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But how are you using the ammeter to check the draw here?
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You said you saw it shoot over 2A. That shouldn't be happening when connected to a USB port. It shouldn't exceed 500mA.
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Interesting.
roofrider said:
I think the app can be trusted, but which charger were you using? Was it connected to a USB port? I would suggest testing it further. Even the Current Monitor app can validate compliant USB C->A cables, so you could give that a shot as well.
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But how are you using the ammeter to check the draw here?
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It was connected to a computer USB port as that is the only I plan on using it(I'm not gonna use it with an AC charger) I connected a short USB extender between the cable and the USB port and the extender has a cut 5v wire so I can connect the ammeter in series. Will test the current monitor app.
EDIT: It only went over 2A according to the Ampere app, at the same time the ammeter measured 260mA. This is the reason I'm questioning the app's reliability.
I'm curious to know how much the 5X pulls via that cable when connected to a 1A or 1.5A charger. If it stays within the amps the charger is rated to provide, then it should be good.
I see no official car charger is out for the z play and its only the hard wired mains charger that came in the box.
does anyone have any good car chargers and mains chargers that charge with "turbo power"?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z-f...urbocharge-compatible-chargers-t3430605/page1
Try that
seems many of the chinese ones cause issues such as car fuses blowing and such.
not good, the usb c situation is a right mess at the moment.
Aukey CC-T7 & Cable matters USB type C on both ends cable, tested and guaranteed, turbo charging in the car.
I've had this one in two cars for over a year without a problem, first for my Nexus 5x and now for the Moto Z Play. I have Benson-approved USB A->C cables for charging.
Contrary to come of Motos other phones, the Z Play charges using the generic amperage method (like the Nexus 5x) instead of proprietary voltage methods like Samsung and other Motos use. That means that anytime you hook up the phone to something that puts out more than the standard 1A, you'll charge faster. I have a 2A charger, and when I plug the Moto into it, it charges faster than with 1A but not as fast with 3A (obviously). The stock charger puts out 3A. I've used the old Nexus 5x charger, and it charges the same as with the stock charger since it's also 3A.
https://www.amazon.com/iXCC-Charger...8-2&keywords=iXCC®+Dual+USB+4.8+Amp+(24+Watt)
pkadavid said:
I've had this one in two cars for over a year without a problem, first for my Nexus 5x and now for the Moto Z Play. I have Benson-approved USB A->C cables for charging.
Contrary to come of Motos other phones, the Z Play charges using the generic amperage method (like the Nexus 5x) instead of proprietary voltage methods like Samsung and other Motos use. That means that anytime you hook up the phone to something that puts out more than the standard 1A, you'll charge faster. I have a 2A charger, and when I plug the Moto into it, it charges faster than with 1A but not as fast with 3A (obviously). The stock charger puts out 3A. I've used the old Nexus 5x charger, and it charges the same as with the stock charger since it's also 3A.
https://www.amazon.com/iXCC-Charger...8-2&keywords=iXCC®+Dual+USB+4.8+Amp+(24+Watt)
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I tried my previous Aukey 30 watt dual USB quick charge charger with 2 different type A to type C cables and couldn't get turbo charging to engage at all. However my Moto X turbo charged just fine with that setup as well as my friends Moto Z Force. Guessing it's all in the cables, but the setup I listed with the Aukey type C port and a dual type C cable does the trick perfectly.
For what it's worth, the iMuto power banks with the type C port will also engage the turbo charge function
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I tried my previous Aukey 30 watt dual USB quick charge charger with 2 different type A to type C cables and couldn't get turbo charging to engage at all. However my Moto X turbo charged just fine with that setup as well as my friends Moto Z Force. Guessing it's all in the cables, but the setup I listed with the Aukey type C port and a dual type C cable does the trick perfectly.
For what it's worth, the iMuto power banks with the type C port will also engage the turbo charge function
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It likely wasn't the cable. If you were trying to use a quick charger, then it's not going to fast charge the MZP. As I mentioned, the MZP uses amperage-based, not voltage-based fast charging. E.g. if you take a look at the output on a quick charger, it's going to show nearly the same amperage (see first example below). A unique thing about the MZP and all other USB C phones from Moto, if you hook it up to even to 2A charger, you can see it tell you that it's turbo charging. It still won't charge as fast as if you hook it up to a 3A or higher charger, like the second one below.
Here is the charger that works e.g. with the Moto X. It does not fast charge the MZP. This is also commonly referred to as quick charge.
Standard: 5V / 1.67A (8W)
TurboPower: 9V / 1.67A (15W)
TurboPower: 12V / 1.2A (15W)
https://www.motorola.com/us/products/turbo-power-15-wall-charger
Here is the output for a charger that Moto sells that works with the USB C devices.
5V / up to 5.7A under control of Power Delivery compatible device
https://www.motorola.com/us/products/turbo-power-30-wall-charger
pkadavid said:
It likely wasn't the cable. If you were trying to use a quick charger, then it's not going to fast charge the MZP. As I mentioned, the MZP uses amperage-based, not voltage-based fast charging. E.g. if you take a look at the output on a quick charger, it's going to show nearly the same amperage (see first example below). A unique thing about the MZP and all other USB C phones from Moto, if you hook it up to even to 2A charger, you can see it tell you that it's turbo charging. It still won't charge as fast as if you hook it up to a 3A or higher charger, like the second one below.
Here is the charger that works e.g. with the Moto X. It does not fast charge the MZP. This is also commonly referred to as quick charge.
Standard: 5V / 1.67A (8W)
TurboPower: 9V / 1.67A (15W)
TurboPower: 12V / 1.2A (15W)
https://www.motorola.com/us/products/turbo-power-15-wall-charger
Here is the output for a charger that Moto sells that works with the USB C devices.
5V / up to 5.7A under control of Power Delivery compatible device
https://www.motorola.com/us/products/turbo-power-30-wall-charger
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I hope your comparison is just for example purposes, as the two phones and their respective chargers are incompatible with each other.
As for the 30 watt charger for the Z & Z Force, it gives ZERO benefit to the Z Play and doesn't give any additional quick charging. This has been tested and proven to be of no benefit to us Z Play owners.
Also, hooking up my device to any 2A charger, Stock Samsung, my in wall USB outlets, Apple, or my old Aukey quick charger, the power ports of the imuto or my other 2 power banks with a 2.4A output, DOES NOT ENGAGE TURBO CHARGING! This has been confirmed with the normal charging toast message, as well as in ampre. The info you said is incorrect.
Also attaching screenshots of the following, stock charger, Imuto power bank, the Aukey car charger I've listed, and the 2.4A Samsung charger with the A to C cable. You'll notice that in all instances where type C to C is used, turbo is engaged. Whereas with type A to C with a 2.4A charger charges normal.
Also, I'm very aware of how my Moto X and most of my friends quickcharge capable devices charge. The info is actually listed on the charger.
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I hope your comparison is just for example purposes, as the two phones and their respective chargers are incompatible with each other.
As for the 30 watt charger for the Z & Z Force, it gives ZERO benefit to the Z Play and doesn't give any additional quick charging. This has been tested and proven to be of no benefit to us Z Play owners.
Also, hooking up my device to any 2A charger, Stock Samsung, my in wall USB outlets, Apple, or my old Aukey quick charger, the power ports of the imuto or my other 2 power banks with a 2.4A output, DOES NOT ENGAGE TURBO CHARGING! This has been confirmed with the normal charging toast message, as well as in ampre. The info you said is incorrect.
Also attaching screenshots of the following, stock charger, Imuto power bank, the Aukey car charger I've listed, and the 2.4A Samsung charger with the A to C cable. You'll notice that in all instances where type C to C is used, turbo is engaged. Whereas with type A to C with a 2.4A charger charges normal.
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Don't know what to tell you. Attached is a screenshot after plugging my phone into a 2A wall charger just now (A to C). Other than that, I've used the original N5x (C to C) and the aforementioned 4.8A car charger (A to C), both of which triggered the same turbo toast message. Even my XPS 13 triggers the turbo charging toast message when I plug the phone into it (A to C).
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I also tried the Ampere app after seeing your screenshots. I wasn't aware of that app. Same result. Confirmed turbo in the situations I specified above.
By the way, I apologize if I came across rude. I didn't mean to and was trying to be helpful.
Welp, maybe your device is a little more forgiving. All I can say is that my device, will not engage turbo charging without a C to C or OEM charger. I tried both the A to C cables I own, one was a standard, one was USB 3.0, and neither will engage turbo off of any 2.0~2.4A chargers.
The info I've sourced was also shown on another Android forum where they did tons of checking of different chargers, OEM and other such with different amperage amounts and using Ampere. Google searching for Moto Z Play Quick charging should find it in the first few results if you're up for a read.
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Aukey CC-T7 & Cable matters USB type C on both ends cable, tested and guaranteed, turbo charging in the car.
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Is that a typo? CC-T7 is a Type-A to Type-C charger.
Kewjoe said:
Is that a typo? CC-T7 is a Type-A to Type-C charger.
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The Aukey CC-Y1 is what that should have said. Sorry about that, T7 was what I used with my Moto X Pure.
This is the correct charger, Y1, NOT THE T7.
So to confirm, you got turbocharge using the top type c port, but not the bottom type a QC3.0 port?
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So to confirm, you got turbocharge using the top type c port, but not the bottom type a QC3.0 port?
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Correct. Type C to Type C
Moto Z Play is a lot like Nexus 5x/6P/Pixel when it comes to charging. It doesn't support Qualcomm quick charge 3.0. Moto's Turbpower tech is apparently just another name for USB Power Delivery (PD). From my experience with Nexus 6p, you need a charger with a usb c port and proper usb c cable (with C type socket on both ends).
I've seen posts confirming this.
Be sure to check if the wall charger, the cable or the power bank you plan to buy supports USB PD and has a usb c port capable of outputting 3A. Not every usb c cable is capable of usb c power delivery.
Also usb pd means you can Turbopower-charge your Moto Z with type c laptop chargers, including Apple macbook chargers.