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Without an unlocked boot loader, which would allow for a custom kernel, we will never see substantial development on the Atrix.
Lack of (the ability to run) custom kernels prevents many of the modifications that have made Cyanogenmod and other popular ROMs appealing. (including overclocking, enhanced power management and screen color adjustments just to name a few)
The best we could hope for (without an unlocked bootloader) would be a stock version of android, devoid of all things Blur.
Luckily the latter will happen sooner rather than later, imo.
Like some other posters said, we still have hope. There are three main sources of unlocking the bootloader, I will list them here in the order I feel they are likely to actually happen chronologically:
1. Information gleaned from the LG Optimus 2X will directly translate into an unlocked bootloader on the Atrix:
If unconfirmed rumors are to be believed, the LG Optimus 2X, which runs the same Tegra 2 SOC (system on chip) as the Atrix, has already had its bootloader unlocked. With a European March release eminent (its only available in South Korea currently) it could only be a small matter of time before the same methods used to unlock the 2X fall into our hands.
2. Out of the box thinking by Developers leads to exploiting the bootloader:
Inquisitive and risky developers here at XDA have been laying waste to bootloaders and the like for years now. The Tegra 2 System On a Chip Platform is still very much in its infancy, it stands to reason that there are quite a few vulnerabilities hiding just under the surface awaiting the prodding minds of credit hungry devs.
3. Motorola makes good on their "promise" and gives us the keys to the castle:
Motorola has alluded to the possibility of releasing their secure grasp on our most prised dual core phone. Rest assured it won't literally be "keys" they give us, and more likely they will provide a flashable development bootloader accessible as a download to registered developers.
What method do you think will happen, first?
I think we may learn something from the Optimus 2X.
im feeling pessimistic about this. im not thinking its going to get cracked. hope im wrong though
The Devs always win, why would Moto release the software? Because they feel like it? Sorry they are worried about one thing and that is the bottom line, they wont do anything to help a small portion of their customer base.
You need to have an option for "DG will figure it out"
if anything we'd learn we should learn that from the XOOM, no ?
LG use the tegra 2 and all, but different company do ( lock ) things differently
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im feeling pessimistic about this. im not thinking its going to get cracked. hope im wrong though
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Unfortunately I'm in line with you. It doesn't seem like there's any motivation for Motorola to release the keys, and from past history with their devices cracking the bootloader does not look promising.
It's a shame because this is a very good phone that just needs a little tweaking (removing Blur).
There has to be some way without the keys.. I don't know what, but it can't require just those. We need to get other developers to look at the Atrix. Like I said in the other thread, jimmydafish and maybe even koush could help DG try to find some way to bring ROMs. Even if they don't fully unlock it, just do it similar to the droid x.
Atrix4G Rooted!
the poll results speak truth.
*sad face*
its dumb too because i returned my craptivate to get this phone, and now i wont be able to do all the same cool stuff to it.
i guess i have 20 more days where i could return this and either go to the crappy again, or inspire. im juggling the idea, but the dual core, large ram and good battery life are making me lean towards just keeping this phone.....oh and the fact taht the GPS works when the crappy didnt
oFUNGUSo said:
the poll results speak truth.
*sad face*
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You sir are no economist!
But seriously... if you look at the results, an overwhelming majority believe that we will in one way or another obtain an unlocked bootloader:
66.18% of all voters think it will happen, while only 33.82 think it never will.
Have faith in the DEVs, I'm voting on option 2!
it won't be cracked, it's almost impossible, but the droid x wasn't doomed because it still has greats rom. No unlocked bootloader only means no custom kernels, not roms.
i would like those 100+ people that signed the petition about at&t's block of hsupa instead post on motorola's twitter accounts all day. the only way we MAY get an unlocked bootloader would be for moto to do it.
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Have faith in the DEVs, I'm voting on option 2!
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what if one of those DEVs is the ony who actually told me, and i quote:
"it wont get cracked"
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what if one of those DEVs is the ony who actually told me, and i quote:
"it wont get cracked"
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I guess it depends on which dev said it.
Designgears told me more than once, and everyone else in the IRC channel that we more than likely will not be able to unlock it. Never said it was impossible, but the thing that checks the kernel and recovery, whatever it is, is lower than the bootloader, that is why the bootloader is only signed.
Out of curiosity is it possible at all to OC without cracking the boot loader and loading a new kernel? I'm pretty sure it's not but just double checking.
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Designgears told me more than once, and everyone else in the IRC channel that we more than likely will not be able to unlock it. Never said it was impossible, but the thing that checks the kernel and recovery, whatever it is, is lower than the bootloader, that is why the bootloader is only signed.
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Ohhh boy.. That does not sound good at all What to do, what to do?
Give up. It's tilting windmills without a leak from within moto.
I think you mean tilting at windmills, in reference to Don Quixote tilting his lance at a windmill thinking it was an enemy.
All literary references aside, even with a "leak from within moto" the chances of unlocking the bootloader are negligible.
We had all of the documentation and files from Motorola for the Droid devices including efuse implementation and emulation on unsecured hardware, all of component files themselves for both secured and unsecured hardware and all of the firmware builds.
None of it helped unlock the bootloader. We even have the methods and tools for setting and blowing the fuses with RadioComm.
It is irrevocable once set and we have been told that Motorola themselves cannot "unlock" them. All they can do is replace the chip with an unsecured one.
It's officially official...
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/12/06/motorola-updates-android-software-upgrade-page/
We already knew due to the soak announcement, but it's good to hear it from the horses mouth!
Deep rooted in the mAtrix HD...
http://android-gz.com
I hope it lives to see a couple more updates.
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Assuming the soak test hasn't started and they run for a week, that probably means mid to late December, but still by the end of 2012 like they originally promised.
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I'll take it whenever! I've been too paranoid to load the leak, and I'm an SS3 N00B so preserving root with voodoo (maybe) and installing the OTA is fine with me! I'm pretty cool with no root for a little while anyways, I'm sure someone will find an exploit in the JB framework...
Deep rooted in the mAtrix HD...
http://android-gz.com
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Assuming the soak test hasn't started and they run for a week, that probably means mid to late December, but still by the end of 2012 like they originally promised.
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Yes i'm VERY Happy to see I will be seeing Jelly Bean before the end of the year. I think AFTER that is when i'll think about rooting the phone so I can get rid of all the damn AT&T bloatware on there.
I am pretty computer savvy and i've built several of my own computers over the years but the thought of rooting the phone kind of intimidates me because I know almost NOTHING about the process and I still as yet have to see a clear thread that says "This is how you do it, This is how you undo it" in case something goes wrong with the phone that's not software related and it needs to be returned or whatnot.
Also there are alot of threads about custom rom versions but they say you need to have the "base" 4.1.1 version first which again i'm a bit lost at trying to sift thru all the forum posts to find. Heh.
P.S. Annnnnndddd...i'm a retard. Somehow right after I made this post when it went back to the post list page for this forum now right there in my face is a post titled "Jellybean rom leak - step by step guide for updating" LMAO.
I do have a more pertinent question of someone with some know how here though also. I saw that Moto has started selling the developer version of this phone which i'm assuming has an unlocked bootloader as from what I understand that is kind of the point of the developer version. So I am curious, once someone has this developer phone will that make it easier for someone to develop something that is easier/faster/more stable to root for us poor schmucks who can't afford the 400+ duckets this phone is costing and also since we already have the phone to begin with?
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Yes i'm VERY Happy to see I will be seeing Jelly Bean before the end of the year. I think AFTER that is when i'll think about rooting the phone so I can get rid of all the damn AT&T bloatware on there.
I am pretty computer savvy and i've built several of my own computers over the years but the thought of rooting the phone kind of intimidates me because I know almost NOTHING about the process and I still as yet have to see a clear thread that says "This is how you do it, This is how you undo it" in case something goes wrong with the phone that's not software related and it needs to be returned or whatnot.
Also there are alot of threads about custom rom versions but they say you need to have the "base" 4.1.1 version first which again i'm a bit lost at trying to sift thru all the forum posts to find. Heh.
P.S. Annnnnndddd...i'm a retard. Somehow right after I made this post when it went back to the post list page for this forum now right there in my face is a post titled "Jellybean rom leak - step by step guide for updating" LMAO.
I do have a more pertinent question of someone with some know how here though also. I saw that Moto has started selling the developer version of this phone which i'm assuming has an unlocked bootloader as from what I understand that is kind of the point of the developer version. So I am curious, once someone has this developer phone will that make it easier for someone to develop something that is easier/faster/more stable to root for us poor schmucks who can't afford the 400+ duckets this phone is costing and also since we already have the phone to begin with?
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We will be hard pressed to find someone who will buy the dev edition when there are better phones for cheaper prices and more development.
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We will be hard pressed to find someone who will buy the dev edition when there are better phones for cheaper prices and more development.
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Yea which is kind of sad considering. I mean it seems to me the only really bad thing about this phone i've found from using it is the lack of much user ROM and the stupid low Mah battery they put in it when the one from the Maxx will fit almost equally as well, and would have fit perfectly if the phone had been developed around it. <sigh>
It seems from the # of forum posts that the Galaxy S III is pretty much "THE" phone to have. I have a friend who just got one a month after I got my Atrix and she likes it well enough, but I can't understand what idiot at samsung decided it was a good idea to leave out USB Mass Storage on the thing, although i've heard that's getting officialy fixed, or may have been already since I don't really follow that phone.
The phone I upgraded from was an old Samsung with a physical slide out keyboard before the android days and the thing was junk to me, about all it was good for was texting because my fat fingers worked well with the physical keys. But almost all the apps on it were useless junk and alot never even ran. So i'm kind of burned out on Samsung right now.
I've been in computers for years and have learned to trust Motorola for reliability and stability and while their products have not always been hugely inspired or innovative, they have always been reliable to me.
I had thought I saw one of the people who seemed to be doing development for this phone in a message say they already had a developer phone on order or whatnot. But maybe it was just my wishful thinking. In any case I hope this phone dosnt die some slow horrible death in here just because it's not as bright and shiny and full of awesomeness as some other phones out now. Once the Jellybean update officially comes out for the phone hopefully there will still be good people in here who can easily make the phone rootable and that will pretty much be good for me for the 2 years till AT&T says I can get the next shiny new toy out then. LOL. Custom roms are nice but i'm mostly interested in being able to get rid of all the AT&T crapware in the phone because it's pretty much just useless spacewaste to me.
Itll come out December 31st
Will I get the update with a Straight Talk sim in my phone?
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Will I get the update with a Straight Talk sim in my phone?
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The SIM in your phone won't affect you getting updates.
I was disappointed when I saw Bell wouldn't get it until Q1 '13. I have a Bell Atrix HD, but I use it on T-mobile. Could someone explain to me why an AT&T ROM would brick the phone? I don't get it.
What do you guys think it will be? 4.2 or 4.2.1?
Deep rooted in the mAtrix HD...
http://android-gz.com
we're probably never going to get 4.2.
capran said:
I was disappointed when I saw Bell wouldn't get it until Q1 '13. I have a Bell Atrix HD, but I use it on T-mobile. Could someone explain to me why an AT&T ROM would brick the phone? I don't get it.
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We ran into this problem over at the A2 forum. Hardware is all the same, so to speak. But the firmware is slightly different. I guess it would be like comparing windows XP vs windows 7?......or maybe that's a bad example.
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We ran into this problem over at the A2 forum. Hardware is all the same, so to speak. But the firmware is slightly different. I guess it would be like comparing windows XP vs windows 7?......or maybe that's a bad example.
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Bad example
If you have a locked bootloader each partition is signature checked for your device and region/carrier. Bell files will brick ATT phones and vice versa thanks to locked bootloaders.
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IP IHI II IL said:
I'll take it whenever! I've been too paranoid to load the leak, and I'm an SS3 N00B so preserving root with voodoo (maybe) and installing the OTA is fine with me! I'm pretty cool with no root for a little while anyways, I'm sure someone will find an exploit in the JB framework...
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Are you sure you will be able to retain root with the update? What method did you use to root in the first place by the way?
Thanks.
mattlgroff said:
Bad example
If you have a locked bootloader each partition is signature checked for your device and region/carrier. Bell files will brick ATT phones and vice versa thanks to locked bootloaders.
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I thought we had finally unlocked the bootloader?? Man, this Android business is complex.
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I thought we had finally unlocked the bootloader?? Man, this Android business is complex.
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Since the Atrix 4G-era no Motorolas have gotten bootloader unlocks if they were meant to stay locked.
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Blue Bell said:
Are you sure you will be able to retain root with the update? What method did you use to root in the first place by the way?
Thanks.
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I really can't speak to the OTA, but I've read that those who installed the JB leak had success with Voodoo Root Keeper. It worked for me when the RAZR got ICS finally... I am just assuming that it will work when we get the OTA.
Deep rooted in the mAtrix HD...
http://android-gz.com
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I really can't speak to the OTA, but I've read that those who installed the JB leak had success with Voodoo Root Keeper. It worked for me when the RAZR got ICS finally... I am just assuming that it will work when we get the OTA.
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Thanks, is it this one? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.projectvoodoo.otarootkeeper
So it would have a better chance of retaining root with the OTA than SuperSU Premium?
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Since the Atrix 4G-era no Motorolas have gotten bootloader unlocks if they were meant to stay locked.
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I saw on your other thread where you tested the various methods to root the Atrix HD that you mentioned rooting might take you off the OTA path. Do you mean to say that if I use motofail2go to root the phone, there is a chance that I may not be able to get the OTA update to JB when it rolls out?
Thanks.
For its time the Flex was a superb phone at a very good price. Plenty of ram, processing power, etc. It even had IR and a big colored led. How being much, much harder to break than a typical phone is anything but great is beyond me. So how the hell did we not get one single rom? I've seen dinky little $40/3.5in throwaway phones get at least one rom. What happened?
I wonder this as well. The flex is still my wife's phone she absolutely loves it. When it's out of its case, people still comment on how beautiful a phone it is.
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What happened was LG killed us Flex users by not unlocking the BL.
Also a devicetree couldnt be brought up so it was pretty difficult to get things working.
Bump helped us at least to have a recovery and I used playfulgods CM11 with working data but no sound or calls.
then I used MIUI too for LS996 working data and sound but BT and calls were a no go.
My sister has the phone now and she absolutely loves how fluid it is and that people amaze by its rare curved design.
LG killed this magnificent phone... if someone is to blame its them.
This is a plea for all developers to come help out. I've been knocking on every door that I know, everyone else do the same. Maybe someone will help out.
I actually like this phone more than my oneplus. Just from a durability standpoint. I get more comments on my flex than my one also.
Maybe we should start a "working cm Rom bounty" thread....
I definitely would be in for paying someone for there time.
+1
Willing to contribute to the bounty.
This is a damn good phone
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What happened was LG killed us Flex users by not unlocking the BL.
Also a devicetree couldnt be brought up so it was pretty difficult to get things working.
Bump helped us at least to have a recovery and I used playfulgods CM11 with working data but no sound or calls.
then I used MIUI too for LS996 working data and sound but BT and calls were a no go.
My sister has the phone now and she absolutely loves how fluid it is and that people amaze by its rare curved design.
LG killed this magnificent phone... if someone is to blame its them.
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Yup...LG's attitude towards the G Flex is why I left a rather scathing Facebook post promising NEVER to buy anything other than a Nexus phone.
Well actually I got GFlex2 and its an amazing phone. But it seems its going the same route as gflex1 cuz of the bl locked and no custom recovery/roms. But the thing is a beast, its a trully amazing fone.
I hope this one gets better stuff. At least a cm or aosp.
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Yup...LG's attitude towards the G Flex is why I left a rather scathing Facebook post promising NEVER to buy anything other than a Nexus phone.
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I believe some of the Nexus phones are actually made by LG. :|
One of the new Nexus 2015s is made by LG. The G4 Pro also looks pretty good hardware-wise, but if you can't unlock the damn bootloader then they're definitely out of the game.
There was alot of good devs that worked on this. There is a device tree hanging around. Thing to do is yell at LG for not rls the source nor unlocking the bootlaoder. Im sure playful,justin or dfuse would be glad to help if anyone started a promising project. We where testing behind close doors for awhile but bootloader and drivers was the main issue
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There was alot of good devs that worked on this. There is a device tree hanging around. Thing to do is yell at LG for not rls the source nor unlocking the bootlaoder. Im sure playful,justin or dfuse would be glad to help if anyone started a promising project. We where testing behind close doors for awhile but bootloader and drivers was the main issue
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I'm new, really new ...... But... What does it take to unlock the boot loader? If not a break in the software, time then? After a device ages, will LG release source and such?
Behind close doors? Does that mean someone is still working on CM for this but just not updating on XDA? Or doesn't want to update here?
Thanks for posting.
No one is working on it as far as I know bump did a awesome job. But honestly every remarkable dev has tried. No disrepect to them or me lol. But the phone was forgot
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No one is working on it as far as I know bump did a awesome job. But honestly every remarkable dev has tried. No disrepect to them or me lol. But the phone was forgot
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I slightly felt like throwing my flex at some LG executives after I read that.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Comp...ow-leaks-includes-Samsung-Sony-and-LG_id74400
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What's in it for LG by not unlocking the bootloader? If that's what people want, why not give it to 'em?
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/Comp...ow-leaks-includes-Samsung-Sony-and-LG_id74400
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I'll believe that when I see it, LG are notoriously know for it's false promises LG= Lies Good
im so annoyed with them, thats why im switching to an iphone and moto X as my mains
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I'll believe that when I see it, LG are notoriously know for it's false promises LG= Lies Good
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It isn't even from LG. The source of the info is super sketchy and I have high doubts we will see 6.0 as well. LG2/flex are kinda EOL now. In fact with the flex 2 being shoveled onto boost as well as being given away for new sprint plans, I wouldn't be surprised is Android 6 didn't happen.
I in if there a bounty for cm12, please inform me if it will be started.
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There is a bounty hanging around.
Appears this is where we come to an end with development and rooting. All other g4s have been Rooted on Android m. We just don't have any love for this device. Appears we all messed up when we chose sprint as our carrier. Argh!
Wat, who are you? What makes you think you can make that call? There are people that spent countless hours making ROMs and Developing for the Sprint LG G4 and you think you have the final say?
Quoting what you said just in case you edit you post: "Appears this is where we come to an end with development and rooting. All other g4s have been Rooted on Android m. We just don't have any love for this device. Appears we all messed up when we chose sprint as our carrier. Argh!" with screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/DxsEmvG.png
Not the right way to think, just wait. Have you contributed in anyway to the Sprint LG G4 here on XDA? I sure have with my free hotspot bug (patched on Android M).
I highly doubt Verizon G4 is rooted on m.
In fact I don't think they even have Marshmallow update yet.
what is so appealing in Marshmallow to make one want to upgrade urgently? If you have stable L with root and xposed, why not staying with it. I do not think there is Xposed for M anyways yet, which is the main reason to root this phone.
I am with you. This phone is the most disappointing tech purchase in all my years of existence. I love the camera and removable battery but this phone is just crap and doesn't get much dev love. I beat if the bootloader got unlocked and I can load a true rom on it this phone would be great. I think most of the problems is LG's crappy modifications to android. Every time it get slow, unresponsive, the touch screen lags behind, or a stupid Sprint notification advertisement pops up I want to chuck it against a wall and then jump off a cliff.
I am just using this as a rude awakening to the future. This will most likely be one of the last phones that isn't sealed tight. Guess I need to carry around a clunky battery pack with cable dangling from my pockets instead of a small quick batter swap. Rooting and unlocking the bootloader will become ever more difficult with upcoming phones. The glory days are over I feel
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I am with you. This phone is the most disappointing tech purchase in all my years of existence. I love the camera and removable battery but this phone is just crap and doesn't get much dev love. I beat if the bootloader got unlocked and I can load a true rom on it this phone would be great. I think most of the problems is LG's crappy modifications to android. Every time it get slow, unresponsive, the touch screen lags behind, or a stupid Sprint notification advertisement pops up I want to chuck it against a wall and then jump off a cliff.
I am just using this as a rude awakening to the future. This will most likely be one of the last phones that isn't sealed tight. Guess I need to carry around a clunky battery pack with cable dangling from my pockets instead of a small quick batter swap. Rooting and unlocking the bootloader will become ever more difficult with upcoming phones. The glory days are over I feel
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I disabled and uninstalled everything I could with sprint software. Haven't had any of their pop ups in months. It seems you bought a phone in one of the bad batches with your lagging screen.
I hate their UI though...
One of the best phones I've had in terms of specs etc. Would be something if I could run CM13 on this one day..
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I don't have Android M on my phone yet....
...so maybe I can keep my hopes up. Sprint didn't give me Marshmallow on my phone. I'm not begging for it either. From what I'm gathering here, you're all good if you're on Lollipop (5.1) Right?
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I disabled and uninstalled everything I could with sprint software. Haven't had any of their pop ups in months. It seems you bought a phone in one of the bad batches with your lagging screen.
I hate their UI though...
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Yep I had a bad batch phone and it was before Sprint admitted the problem so I sent it to LG. LG fixed my phone but did not replace it. That is probably the big problem. Now I have a phone that is only having lagging problems and since that is subjective and random so not easily repeatable I am screwed.
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...so maybe I can keep my hopes up. Sprint didn't give me Marshmallow on my phone. I'm not begging for it either. From what I'm gathering here, you're all good if you're on Lollipop (5.1) Right?
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We do have Marshmallow, but the OTA is taking reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally long.
I just got the notification a few minutes ago for the update. I'm from Michigan and figured I was one of the last places to get it but I guess not. Newho, I've read that there's gonna be more dev work on our g4 but they were waiting for Android m to come out before they focused their energy to cracking the bootloader. Stay patient as the carriers are getting wise to what our devs have been doing and they try to seal up the phone to keep us out. But when there's a will there's a way and it will happen eventually.
Well I'm hoping for ultrapop marshmallow, lol. The phone stock was fine and ultrapop was perfect for me. Would be nice to have cm in this phone but ultrapop was all I really need.
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Well I'm hoping for ultrapop marshmallow, lol. The phone stock was fine and ultrapop was perfect for me. Would be nice to have cm in this phone but ultrapop was all I really need.
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Don't think that's gonna happen, as MM security is the reason we don't even have systemless root yet. UltraPop relies on changing the system partition, which the Lollipop boot sequence isn't as strong. in MM as soon as the system partition is changed, it causes hashes and whatnot to change, the boot sequence detects the changes and doesn't allow the phone to boot. I think we'll need an unlocked bootloader for UP-type "pseudo-roms"
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Don't think that's gonna happen, as MM security is the reason we don't even have systemless root yet. UltraPop relies on changing the system partition, which the Lollipop boot sequence isn't as strong. in MM as soon as the system partition is changed, it causes hashes and whatnot to change, the boot sequence detects the changes and doesn't allow the phone to boot. I think we'll need an unlocked bootloader for UP-type "pseudo-roms"
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Exactly. I was able to work-around the system partition in ZV6 because LG security only checked for certain files were present. In ZV8, there is LG security checksum for the whole system partition. Since we have a locked bootloader, we can't modify Kernel without tripping the boot security. I am still going to try to get a modified stock ROM working, or maybe mix of ZV6/ZV8, but have not had much time lately.
Roms for our phone? please tell me where roms are at for our phone. i only see 1. that is still stock. ultrapop
Go to the Sprint Fun and Games app and hit the menu button, then settings, then deselect the box Atuomatically install Zone / Fun & Game updates and the notifications boxes. Super disappointed in Sprint for having this.
centran said:
I am with you. This phone is the most disappointing tech purchase in all my years of existence. I love the camera and removable battery but this phone is just crap and doesn't get much dev love. I beat if the bootloader got unlocked and I can load a true rom on it this phone would be great. I think most of the problems is LG's crappy modifications to android. Every time it get slow, unresponsive, the touch screen lags behind, or a stupid Sprint notification advertisement pops up I want to chuck it against a wall and then jump off a cliff.
I am just using this as a rude awakening to the future. This will most likely be one of the last phones that isn't sealed tight. Guess I need to carry around a clunky battery pack with cable dangling from my pockets instead of a small quick batter swap. Rooting and unlocking the bootloader will become ever more difficult with upcoming phones. The glory days are over I feel
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This phone has plenty of "dev love". Some of the best developers are trying their hand at it. There's a huge bounty for unlocking the bootloader, and plenty of people trying to earn it.
The problem is, until one of them (or the part timers like me) stumble across something that works, we're in a holding pattern. We have something stable that works in Android L with root and xposed framework, and until the bootloader issue is solved, that will have to do.
Be patient, OR hit the general Android development section and LEARN. Do it yourself. Grab the bounty. There's plenty of us doing what we can, even as far as hard bricking our devices and getting them replaced by trying methods that work for other devices. I myself am on my second LS991 from trying a method that worked on the kindle fire where you get into fastboot by nuking laf and still haven't had any luck getting a patched bootloader to stick.
So cool off and have some patience. Some people haven't even had the official OTA roll out to their area yet and you're crying that you don't have rooted M? Grow up.
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agentfusion said:
This phone has plenty of "dev love". Some of the best developers are trying their hand at it. There's a huge bounty for unlocking the bootloader, and plenty of people trying to earn it.
The problem is, until one of them (or the part timers like me) stumble across something that works, we're in a holding pattern. We have something stable that works in Android L with root and xposed framework, and until the bootloader issue is solved, that will have to do.
Be patient, OR hit the general Android development section and LEARN. Do it yourself. Grab the bounty. There's plenty of us doing what we can, even as far as hard bricking our devices and getting them replaced by trying methods that work for other devices. I myself am on my second LS991 from trying a method that worked on the kindle fire where you get into fastboot by nuking laf and still haven't had any luck getting a patched bootloader to stick.
So cool off and have some patience. Some people haven't even had the official OTA roll out to their area yet and you're crying that you don't have rooted M? Grow up.
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LG will not be unlocking any other G4's except the Euro H815.
Hello,
Thank you for your interest in LG mobile devices.
Currently, you can only unlock bootloader for LG G4 for the European market with model number H815.
And we have no plan to support bootloader unlocking for H815T.
If there are any changes to the supported devices, we will let you know via our website.
Thank you.
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DaemeonZane said:
LG will not be unlocking any other G4's except the Euro H815.
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And? That doesn't mean they can't be unlocked by other means. It just means LG will not be providing the binary file for oem-unlock via fastboot. Some of us have already gotten limited fastboot access by willingly destroying the laf partition and using a serial USB connection. Right now I'm working on trying to figure out how to get access to other fastboot commands not available in this limited mode, then it's just a matter of creating a reliable semi-automated process so it's accessible to less technical users, and if no one beats me to it; collecting the bounty on a reliable bootloader unlock and ability to flash recovery and make it stick. (Which, to be absolutely honest ... Though I'm not working with anyone else, I would not have gotten *anywhere* without ideas others have bounced around on these forums that helped me make progress when stuck, so I will contact each of them privately to divide half of the bounty between them if I am first to be able to collect it)
I remember there was some rom development for the moto z play when I had it. There seems to be no interest for this 3rd generation model. Is there something like an uncrackable, locked bootloader that's stopping developers in their tracks or just no interest in kernels and tweaked roms?
Perhaps some, but from what I've seen, (and I've owned Moto X, Z, Z2play and now this one) there's not a whole lot of development. Some, but not much. Probably because the OS is very vanilla and smooth, for one. And two, unfortunately, they are just not very popular devices.
On the Moto X, most seemed to want to just root and use xposed, and stay stock. Otherwise cool proprietary Moto apps and functions were lost. Not available on custom roms.
The fact that downgrading is near impossible without bricking doesn't help either.
Warranty is void when you unlock bootloader on Moto's site and that probably deters many from messing with the device too.
But this phone is very new still, hopefully some development starts up. Just may take more time, cause it's not that popular and not as many own it. Developers may not be buying it cause it's the 3rd generation now and they've seen that it's not that popular in the past. Time will tell.
Oh, and if mod use is affected by custom roms, that would be a huge roadblock too. For many folks anyways.
When do you think root will be available for this phone? That is what I am waiting for before I buy it.
G.I. Jew said:
When do you think root will be available for this phone? That is what I am waiting for before I buy it.
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Probably not until a developer or two get this device and work on it.
Problem is, it's 3rd generation, and developers know that development is quiet on the Z's. Many Moto's really. So they choose a more popular device in many cases.
Hopefully we see some action soon though! Or learn to do for ourselves.
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Just bought this phone and will see about development, I want to get back into it, the only thing I built before was a kernel for Surnia , development is very different nowadays so if it's not to hard count me in.
Hopefully we can get twrp/root. Viper would be awesome on this phone! Thinking about this phone but I AM NOT GOING TO THROW AWAY HARDWARE WARRENTY TO UNLOCK BOOTLOADER. Oneplus 6 looks better but sucks with no fm radio/duel stereo speakers/sd card.
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vq8acsxht said:
Hopefully we can get twrp/root. Viper would be awesome on this phone! Thinking about this phone but I AM NOT GOING TO THROW AWAY HARDWARE WARRENTY TO UNLOCK BOOTLOADER. Oneplus 6 looks better but sucks with no fm radio/duel stereo speakers/sd card.
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You won't have root then on this device, if it becomes an option. Have to unlock bootloader, which kills your warranty.
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You won't have root then on this device, if it becomes an option. Have to unlock bootloader, which kills your warranty.
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I wonder about this, has there been a case where a manufacturer refused to repair a phone because of warranty root wise?
That is what I am wondering, also. I do not mind them killing the software support. Besides, sounds fony bolony that a person rooting can mess up software that factory reset can't fix. On the other hand, TWRP can brick a phone by flashing things. But if GPS/screen dies, that is not because of TWRP/flashing things, that is because chips have failed aka. hardware failure. What can cause hardware/cpu's failure is bring cpu's up to 100% and leaving there or overclocking them but who would do that? I think a custom ROM is easier on the processors because of all the stock crapware that continues digging for hours on hours for private information making the phone hot. The facebook app is the one that made my phone warm and when I killed it with a root uninstaller, the phone cooled back down.
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That is what I am wondering, also. I do not mind them killing the software support. Besides, sounds fony bolony that a person rooting can mess up software that factory reset can't fix. On the other hand, TWRP can brick a phone by flashing things. But if GPS/screen dies, that is not because of TWRP/flashing things, that is because chips have failed aka. hardware failure. What can cause hardware/cpu's failure is bring cpu's up to 100% and leaving there or overclocking them but who would do that? I think a custom ROM is easier on the processors because of all the stock crapware that continues digging for hours on hours for private information making the phone hot. The facebook app is the one that made my phone warm and when I killed it with a root uninstaller, the phone cooled back down.
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Actually recent Motos are easy to brick if you do things wrong. Particularly trying to downgrade firmware. Check Out other moto sections, lots of "help I bricked my phone" threads. Many can be fixed by us, but how many don't even try and send it in under warranty?
So that's one definite reason to deny warranty. Though its not directly related to rooting.
I agree. I think they panic and need the phone to work. I like Samsung or Alcatel way of restore the phone to stock. Samsung especially. Turn phone off and plug it into the computer and send firmware to phone. I just wonder why newbies do not read and understand how to restore phone to stock BEFORE touching the phone. They do not ask themselves, "Do I have ALL OF THE TOOLS" to restore phone to factory settings/firmware and "Do I have the firmware". They just want to know how to do mods to phone to see what other tricks the phone can do. Roll over, but DO NOT PLAY DEAD! Crap, "My phone just died". Warranty, where's the warranty card and phone number, now?
vq8acsxht said:
Hopefully we can get twrp/root. Viper would be awesome on this phone! Thinking about this phone but I AM NOT GOING TO THROW AWAY HARDWARE WARRENTY TO UNLOCK BOOTLOADER. Oneplus 6 looks better but sucks with no fm radio/duel stereo speakers/sd card.
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Are you a time-traveler who just appeared here naked in the streets, behind a dumpster, with only memories of 2010 in your head?
(Just checking...)
"Viper would be AWESOME on this phone!"
Lolololol-plop.
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What year *did* the EVO 3D come out anyway?
yourbrotherrex said:
Are you a time-traveler who just appeared here naked in the streets, behind a dumpster, with only memories of 2010 in your head?
(Just checking...)
"Viper would be AWESOME on this phone!"
Lolololol-plop.
+ And "TWRP"??
What year *did* the EVO 3D come out anyway?
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@Darth. If you can translate what the crack pot is saying, thank you. I do not speak pot head, sorry. Not unless he/she/it is infering that he/she/it has just rooted/twrp with viperfx installed?