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Ok so this is what i noticed has been happening with my phone...
I wake up in the morning and i unplug my phone from charger at 100% battery life...
after about 1-2 hours of no use (outside of occasional check of time) and no programs running i notice that 25% of life has diminished...
i have turned 3g off and done most of the kaiser tweak settings that help with battery life. for the rest of teh day i can use the phone and battery life runs normally but it seems the first 25 to 30% drops real fast without use
is everyone experiencing this? is it normal?
KP
The problem lies in your first sentence. "I wake up in the morning and unplug my battery." You are charging your battery too much thus killing it's battery life. I only charge my phone in the day while I'm at work. That way I can unhook it when it's fully charge. I would go on ebay and type in OEM battery Kaiser. You can pick one up for 15-30 dollars new.
From what I understand. Leaving your battery in the charger when it is fully charged should not damage the battery as long as its not there for an excessive amount of time but i might be wrong. Either way i have no way of charging the phone during the day as im on the go most of the time so this would mean even if i get a new battery it wont matter because it wile eventually do the same as i have only used this phone for about 3 or 4 months now. any other possibilities or solutions?
or should i just take it as it is and just buy a new battery maybe a bigger seido?
I thought Lithium ion batteries have overcharge protection. I charge mine overnight which I am sure a lot of others do also with no negative effects.
netboy said:
I thought Lithium ion batteries have overcharge protection. I charge mine overnight which I am sure a lot of others do also with no negative effects.
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I do... Maybe I shouldn't?
I would hope it has Overcharge Protection!!!
With NiCad Batteries if you overcharged them you would kill the life of the batteries.
And while all batteries do this LiIon are least tolerant. If you overcharge a LiIon battery, that is without Overcharge protection, the LiIon Battery with BURST INTO FLAMES! Thus the problem with the Sony Batteries that caused all those Laptop battery recalls.
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You are charging your battery too much thus killing it's battery life.
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Thats total BS with lithium batteries.
To the OP: Try running down your battery completely once, until the phone switches off by itself, then recharge fully. If you never do it and always recharge before the battery is empty the battery's power meter can lose its calibration over time and display weird things.
If it doesn't help, and you can notice a drop in overall life time you might need a new battery.
I have the exact same "problem" with my Tytn II.
Is slows down evenly though. (So the first 5 % of battery vanishes in minutes basically while the last 5 % can last for an hour, when it's half full % will last somehwere in between these two extremes).
Personally I've just interpreted this as poor measuring done by the hardware and/or software. (Ie I don't think the battery performs better the less full it gets as the meter in Windows would have me think)
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Thats total BS with lithium batteries.
To the OP: Try running down your battery completely once, until the phone switches off by itself, then recharge fully. If you never do it and always recharge before the battery is empty the battery's power meter can lose its calibration over time and display weird things.
If it doesn't help, and you can notice a drop in overall life time you might need a new battery.[/QUOTE
thanks ill try it out as soon as i get a chance...
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may seem a daft point but after draining the battery, dont charge with the phone turned back on. gives a fuller charge cos its not being used and makes it quicker to charge, lol
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may seem a daft point but after draining the battery, dont charge with the phone turned back on. gives a fuller charge cos its not being used and makes it quicker to charge, lol
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Hmm...I don't see how turning my phone off to charge would increase the charging rate dramatically. My phone in standby mode uses 1% every 2 hours.
depends highly on roms and especially on radios.
with a crappy rom, battery could drop as fast as 10% per hour.
with a decent rom, battery drops in standby mode at a rate about 2% per hour.
duke0102 said:
may seem a daft point but after draining the battery, dont charge with the phone turned back on. gives a fuller charge cos its not being used and makes it quicker to charge, lol
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If the phone is on but on standby that barely changes a thing. If it's on, with display illuminated then yes it might take you an extra 20 minutes to charge.. no big deal either.
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ok so i drained my battery last night completely(turned on navizon, tt7, and skyfire) which took me about at most 2 hours.
Put it in for a charge
woke up at 9 and checked to see and it was 100%
I have push mail set to update every hour and i also run pocket sportscenter autoupdates which updates every 10 to 15 minutes
I used the phone for 5 minutes of calls
5 minutes of web surfing
a few text messages
and the occasional time check
at 6:30 pm battery life was at an amazing 90%
i was thrilled.
i continued to surf the web heavily from 730 to 8
a few more text messages
at 9 battery was at 67%
so i gotta believe that draining the battery helped recalibrate it...
i guess every 2 or 3 months i got to drain it out and give a full charge
thanks for the help guys
really appreciate it
I'm trying to nail down if this is normal behavior or not my phone always shutdowns itself when the battery level goes below 7%, no matter what.
then I turn it on it boots and shows 0% of battery left then it shutdown again, next time I try it's totally dead.
Tried with a battery calibration improved the overall battery life but that mark is still there.
Is that normal? I mean when I used to have a G1 it lasted until 1% or so.. 7% can be very well an extra hour of usage that I'm loosing.
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I'm trying to nail down if this is normal behavior or not my phone always shutdowns itself when the battery level goes below 7%, no matter what.
then I turn it on it boots and shows 0% of battery left then it shutdown again, next time I try it's totally dead.
Tried with a battery calibration improved the overall battery life but that mark is still there.
Is that normal? I mean when I used to have a G1 it lasted until 1% or so.. 7% can be very well an extra hour of usage that I'm loosing.
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I've noticed the same thing. It'll be interesting to see if anyone has a solution.
7% of battery life is just a number. It could very well be inaccurate, and simply reporting 7% when you actually have 0%. When you reboot and it shows 0% just backs this idea up. You are not "losing" an hour of battery life, you simply never had it.
To check this, use spare parts to look at the voltage of your battery when it approaches 7%.
Also, this belongs in the QA section.
I'll give it a try, interesting is the fact that both Cyanogen RC3 and Battery Monitor are reporting the same thing.
Will keep an eye on the voltage, what should it say ? something near 0?
seriously?
AFAIK li-on battery never be below 5% or 7% why?
because if you get below of this the battery will be dead and will not work anymore. so thats normal.
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seriously?
AFAIK li-on battery never be below 5% or 7% why?
because if you get below of this the battery will be dead and will not work anymore. so thats normal.
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I've also read its normal but if its normal why isn't it calibrated to show 0% when its actually at 7%? My phone goes off at ~10%
btw there are so many battery threads lately.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=702167
Yeh, mine also goes off at around 10%.
it seems normal then , time to get myself a spare battery ... travel can be painful if no power outlet / usb port is near me
Yes its kinda normal. My phone has always shut down at 8% from day 1. I think its because of what we're talking about in the battery cal thread personally.
When my battery is getting low, I've started to notice recently that it never falls below 4%. Instead of counting down to 1% and shutting off, it just shoots down to 0% and immediately starts the "Power Off" screen. Is this normal? Anyone else's Nexus 6 do this?
I've seen the post about the Nexus 6 that would shut off at 73% consistently and I guess this could be related to a bad battery or calibration, but I was just curious.
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When my battery is getting low, I've started to notice recently that it never falls below 4%. Instead of counting down to 1% and shutting off, it just shoots down to 0% and immediately starts the "Power Off" screen. Is this normal? Anyone else's Nexus 6 do this?
I've seen the post about the Nexus 6 that would shut off at 73% consistently and I guess this could be related to a bad battery or calibration, but I was just curious.
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I've only ran it down that far once and yes, it shut down at 3%
@j.bruha I assume you know this, but just in case - Li-Po batteries don't really do well with extremely low charge levels. Try to avoid depleting the battery charge level to anywhere close to 0. Most folks recommend keeping the battery level at 30% or higher for longer overall battery life (not the time that your battery lasts from charge to charge, but the number of months/years before you will need to replace the battery itself)
Mine goes all the way down to 1 % and shuts down. I can still use phone when it shows me 2% left. Never seen it shut down at 4%. Discharge battery and fully charge it, Sometimes it does help. good luck.
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@j.bruha I assume you know this, but just in case - Li-Po batteries don't really do well with extremely low charge levels. Try to avoid depleting the battery charge level to anywhere close to 0. Most folks recommend keeping the battery level at 30% or higher for longer overall battery life (not the time that your battery lasts from charge to charge, but the number of months/years before you will need to replace the battery itself)
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I think there's a lot of over thought about caring for batteries. I think the best advice is to charge it as it needs charging.
Li-Po batteries don't do well at extremely low charge levels. That's an understatement. They become physically volatile and very actually dangerous to use. This is why when you deplete your battery from 100% to 0%, you're actually discharging from 100% to something like 20%. The battery chip does not let the battery deplete fully and is calibrated to report that 20% as 0%. There really shouldn't be any harm letting the phone shut down at "0" because it isn't 0.
My phone shuts down at ~1% sometimes 2%. It has shut down at 3 once but it depends. I usually don't run my phone down that low, but if I do I expect it to turn off at some point. I would see if you can have it repeat the behavior so you know whether or not its a bug.
H, since I updated from miui 10 to miui 11 and even now that I have miui 12 I have noticed that the battery doesn't last as long as before. I state that since I purchased the phone (July 2019) I have always charged the battery in the best way trying to never go below 20% and trying not to go beyond 80% so I don't think a battery can lose more than 30% of its real capacity in less than a year of life. Starting to investigate I found that the battery does not charge at its real capacity i.e. 3300 mAh but at around 2200/2300 mAh. To verify all this I have carried out several tests and the easiest way to verify it is to look at the battery characteristics through the AIDA64 app (screenshot below). From these tests it seems that the device limits the real battery capacity by not allowing it to be charged to its maximum capacity. A reply to what I wrote can be found by looking at some system files that are located in /sys/class/power_supply/battery. In particular, looking at the file called charge_full (screenshot below) you can see how the value of the file is much lower than the real battery capacity. I hope someone more competent than I can understand how to solve this hateful problem and I also invite you to check the value to try to better understand the cause of this problem.
I'm using miuimix 12.0.2 stable and the capacity is not 3300, either.
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And sorry i don't know how to post a picture, mine is 2943.
I know that batteries won't be forever and are always decreasing during the year but I think Xiaomi do a good job. I have some devices from 4 years ago and they reduced their batteries just a little. In the case of Mi 9 I have it since March 2019 and my battery still being the same. I charge it from 10-25% to 100% just some times I charge it until 80-90%, maybe every month I let it to 0% I wait for a while and charge it again to 100%.
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From the photo you posted it doesn't seem that your battery is fully charged .. we have done other research and we have discovered that most likely Xiaomi has inserted in the kernel a sort of programmed obsolescence on the battery.
Can you disclose some of the research you done on the kernel it seems interesting. I have checked with Aida64 my battery before and it never charges to 3300 even if you leave the phone plugged in the value will keep increasing but once you plug it out it drops...still getting about 5 hrs sot so not bad...I wonder if you change that value in the full charger screen you posted what will happen?
"From these tests it seems that the device limits the real battery capacity by not allowing it to be charged to its maximum capacity. "
Actually it's better for battery life longterm to keep the device in the middle - never 0, never 100
I've certainly lost no battery life in the year + I've had the Mi 9
You are doing a good job of using the phone in the 20 to 80% range. But do you charge it at the lowest possible temperature? Temperature is a battery's worst enemy. Wireless charging is a joke. It's a glued heater in the battery.
I for instance, almost all the times charge it in front a mini fan. With this I can charge it 5ºC below normal temp charge.
And like @cezikos said, use quickcharge only on emergencies. Use at max a 1.5Amps charger. Quick charge is a marketing thing. The chemistry of the batteries are almost the same in this 10 years.
Mi mi9 have one year and the battery is 100%.
The important thing that you should precise is a type of charger that you are using. Do you use Quick Charge? If Yes, then battery capacity will be dramatically degrated. I use 5V 0.5-1.5A charger, it depends how fast I need to charge the Phone.
The next thing is a battery temperature, not Only while charging the Phone but also when you are using it. I`m using CPU Monitor and it's overlay to see the battery temp, you can also configure alerts when battery is starting to overheat.
Heavy Gaming decreases the life of the battery, there are a lot of variables that you have to cobsider, not only "programmed obsolescence"
I had the same problem. Hopefully the battery could make 3 hours of screen, the strange thing was that suddenly it began to last very little, and I was with that problem for a couple of weeks, so I decided to calibrate the battery hoping to have some results and now the battery lasted again approximately 7 hours of screen. Try to make the battery run out from 100% to 0%. The system will not let you start because it calculates that it has no battery, so what I did was leave it in recovery mode and with the screen always active, until it turns off completely, then with a 5V 1A charger. With the phone turned off, charge it until it reaches 100%. I did it three times and the battery was back to the way it was before. You could try to do the same and I hope you can solve that problem.
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I tested, I put the phone to play videos until it turned off. In 1% I cleared battery stats.
Then plugged the charger and entered the TWRP and unplugged. Put the backlight to maximum, and the phone stayed on more than an hour!
Then I plugged the charger 1.5A and let it charge to max.
It worked, now the phone has a steady discharge, not discharge 100% to 80 in an hour.
I will do this procedure from time to time. not the best for the battery, but is needed in mi9...
It's an absurd that this problem exists in 2020, my galaxy S2 don't have such harsh problems with something so simple and basic like battery management!
Battery on my Mi9 (mildly used in one year) lost 500 mAh.
Confirmed, with this trick, in doing it ONE time, I have the phone running well again, more than 8h screen on.
0.5 discharge in sleep.
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I tested, I put the phone to play videos until it turned off. In 1% I cleared battery stats.
Then plugged the charger and entered the TWRP and unplugged. Put the backlight to maximum, and the phone stayed on more than an hour!
Then I plugged the charger 1.5A and let it charge to max.
It worked, now the phone has a steady discharge, not discharge 100% to 80 in an hour.
I will do this procedure from time to time. not the best for the battery, but is needed in mi9...
It's an absurd that this problem exists in 2020, my galaxy S2 don't have such harsh problems with something so simple and basic like battery management!
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Thanks! I just don't know how to clean the battery status...
You will need root.
Then are several apps that can do it. Like l speed or adiutor.
And now again confirming, in one month the phone is completely lost regarding battery again, just 3h SOT from 80 to 20. There's some pretty **** up code regarding battery in xiaomi android.
I have no problems at all using it since release.
newest xiaomi eu.
I also have problems with battery drain...
Hello guys, just want to share with you a little trick that just helped me get better SoT. First of all, I just want to mention that I'm on the newest xiaomi.eu rom (20.8.13) and that AccuBattery is showing that my battery is at 2500mAh estimated capacity. (That might be different in reality, because it's only after one charging, so don't believe it that much). Lately I noticed a significant drain while the phone was idle (screen turned off). It was draining like 1-2% every hour and I could barely get over 5h SoT. So I investigated a little bit, and found a solution on reddit. The thing was that I had many apps on autostart. If you want to check them and turn it off then open Settings > type 'autostart' in the search bar > open it > 3 dots > show system apps > turn off every unnecessary app that you think don't need that option. I turned off every app, except: Gmail, GPay, Google Photos, Clock, Calendar, Bank app, Weather app and the app called 'safety system addon' - it might be called different because I'm not on english language on my phone. I left them on just in case to have notifications/synchronization, though i don't know if it's necessary. After that there was almost 0% idle drain over the day. Now I'm on 5h4m SoT and still have 25% of battery left. The result might be even better, cause I did this trick just today while my phone was on 90-85%.
Give it guys a try, hope it will improve your daily experience with Mi 9.
P.S. Let me know guys If I could turn off the before mentioned apps and still get notifications and sync from them.
Mine reports 2800mah, debloated with Szaki tool all autostart apps disabled also did factory reset after miui12 update.
Really sad how bad miui12 has turned for me. Im having way worse battery life compared to miui11 the idle is mostly the same its just the battery doesn't last as it used to last with miui11.
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I tested, I put the phone to play videos until it turned off. In 1% I cleared battery stats.
Then plugged the charger and entered the TWRP and unplugged. Put the backlight to maximum, and the phone stayed on more than an hour!
Then I plugged the charger 1.5A and let it charge to max.
It worked, now the phone has a steady discharge, not discharge 100% to 80 in an hour.
I will do this procedure from time to time. not the best for the battery, but is needed in mi9...
It's an absurd that this problem exists in 2020, my galaxy S2 don't have such harsh problems with something so simple and basic like battery management!
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I can confirm this. AIDA64 said my battery was at 2550mah capacity when fully charged. I followed this procedure and now after being fully charged, it says 3125 mah, which is much better.
I'm curious about the screen on time now. Me happy. Thanks!
Hi guys,
I keep having weird battery behaviour which led me to believe, that the battery is not properly calibrated:
When charged to 100%, the phone usually stays at 100% for a few hours depending on usage. Around 40% however it keeps dropping 1% every 2-3 seconds until after a few minutes it is drained completely and switches off.
Did anyone else notice that kind of behaviour? (Some guys on Reddit are facing the same issues)
And does anyone know a fix except waiting for a custom rom?
Thanks and all the best.
Jay
Mr. Jay Milestone said:
Hi guys,
I keep having weird battery behaviour which led me to believe, that the battery is not properly calibrated:
When charged to 100%, the phone usually stays at 100% for a few hours depending on usage. Around 40% however it keeps dropping 1% every 2-3 seconds until after a few minutes it is drained completely and switches off.
Did anyone else notice that kind of behaviour? (Some guys on Reddit are facing the same issues)
And does anyone know a fix except waiting for a custom rom?
Thanks and all the best.
Jay
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Same here, I didn't notice the battery after 40% but the phone stays at 100% for a really long time, I played Honkai Impact at max setting and it still manages to stay at 100% for an hour, mb it's software issue, I'm on 12.5.7 Global btw.
I didn't experienced that kind of issue. 12.5.13.0 EEA here.
you have to calibrate the battery.
- discharge the battery until the phone turns off
- with a slow charger (10 / 25w) charge the mobile OFF
- once it reaches 100% (1-2 hrs) wait another 2 hours.
- Power up and test.
This method usually solves this problem, it is important to use a slow charger and only use the 120w one when it is really necessary. It seems that some batteries have not been properly calibrated
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you have to calibrate the battery.
- discharge the battery until the phone turns off
- with a slow charger (10 / 25w) charge the mobile OFF
- once it reaches 100% (1-2 hrs) wait another 2 hours.
- Power up and test.
This method usually solves this problem, it is important to use a slow charger and only use the 120w one when it is really necessary. It seems that some batteries have not been properly calibrated
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Thanks, I'll try to do that with a slow charger.
After it reached 100% still keep the phone on charge for the next two hours or just wait two hours to power up?
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Thanks, I'll try to do that with a slow charger.
After it reached 100% still keep the phone on charge for the next two hours or just wait two hours to power up?
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Still keep the phone on charge min 2 hours or more (ex. When you sleep) next you can turn on
austick said:
you have to calibrate the battery.
- discharge the battery until the phone turns off
- with a slow charger (10 / 25w) charge the mobile OFF
- once it reaches 100% (1-2 hrs) wait another 2 hours.
- Power up and test.
This method usually solves this problem, it is important to use a slow charger and only use the 120w one when it is really necessary. It seems that some batteries have not been properly calibrated
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It does fix something, now my phone can stay till 1% without turning at 3% like before, thanks.
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It does fix something, now my phone can stay till 1% without turning at 3% like before, thanks.
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For me viper4android it's much better if you use wired headphones. I tried to use Dolby but it's not the same.
I'm on 12.5.13.0 EEA, same problem. Phone stay at 100% for hours, then when power dropped to 35-30% weird thing happened, it keeps dropping 1% every 2-3 seconds until after a few minutes it is drained completely and switches off.
Then it takes 5-10 minutes to start again
I will try to calibrate the battery tonight
Hi, I was facing a similar issue.
I have used 3 chargers. 120W (stock), 10W (samsung), 65W (Anker). I was worried about my battery life, so decided to ditch the 120W charger which was also not giving me a good enough battery life, considering its a 5000 mah phone.
Im not paid by anker or something, but I saw a major difference between SOT compared with stock and samsung charger as well. I dont know why this is working out so well, but im getting 7+Hrs SOT easily, on heavy usage. AndI have been getting consistent results from the past week since i switched to anker. I genuinely dont know why or how this is working. But if it works, it works.
Im assuming due to the 120W quick charge, the battery calibration gets messed up. But idk how to explain the longer duration of SOT on the anker charger.
Ps. I dont use 5G
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Hi, I was facing a similar issue.
I have used 3 chargers. 120W (stock), 10W (samsung), 65W (Anker). I was worried about my battery life, so decided to ditch the 120W charger which was also not giving me a good enough battery life, considering its a 5000 mah phone.
Im not paid by anker or something, but I saw a major difference between SOT compared with stock and samsung charger as well. I dont know why this is working out so well, but im getting 7+Hrs SOT easily, on heavy usage. AndI have been getting consistent results from the past week since i switched to anker. I genuinely dont know why or how this is working. But if it works, it works.
Im assuming due to the 120W quick charge, the battery calibration gets messed up. But idk how to explain the longer duration of SOT on the anker charger.
Ps. I dont use 5G
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yes, I don't think you are very far from the problem. I also think that charging the mobile at 120w spoils the calibration of the battery so I use it only at specific times. I use a standard 15w charger (approx 2hrs)
3 days later It looks like calibration sorted my issues. Now battery behaves as is should.
So calibration is very recommended if battery plays up
I recently purchased this cell phone, and I am experiencing this problem. I have disabled almost everything, and uninstalled blotware. Should I calibrate the battery to improve battery drain?
Vixito said:
I recently purchased this cell phone, and I am experiencing this problem. I have disabled almost everything, and uninstalled blotware. Should I calibrate the battery to improve battery drain?
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Please read my reply in this thread, that will extend the battery drastically.
im facing this problem with this phone as well but also something else: after the battery drops to 18-20% it then discharges very very quickly to a point where in a matter of 5-10 minutes of use it's down to 0%. is this normal or is it another one of those side effects that their trashy fraudulent scamming xiaomi battery measurement causes?
will another rom fix these issues or are we stuck with them in this phone i rapidly regret getting?
I'm also facing the same issue, below 25% to 0% it drains like a liquid, I attached the screen record
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I'm also facing the same issue, below 25% to 0% it drains like a liquid, I attached the screen record
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mine got fixed (at least for now) by calibrating the battery (leave it to discharge and turn off - try to turn on again until it wont - charge to 100% with phone off) i'll see how long this lasts and update
Ya i did it for now it is fixed might be a temporary fix. I'll post here if it happens again
Same problem at first month, 100 - 99 became shorter and shorter while charging cycle increasing.