Hello, I'm looking to buy a G'Note but don't know which version to get or wait for.
I'm currently on Sprint and will drop them to go check out the freedom that are prepaid GSM networks, so I need a model that is going to work everywhere in the USA. I am no GSM expert, in fact I've never been on a GSM network, so please bare with me,
I know ATT is launching their own model (with LTE 800 and it also looks like it support more UMTS bands) while the other versions seem to have LTE 700, should I wait for the ATT model? I dont really plan on going to ATT, but in case I do and in case they happen to make their LTE network prepaid, will I be able to use their LTE, provided I have the LTE sim?
I also noticed that different models have different ROM sizes and flash Memory sizes, is this really important? I want to be able to use many roms on this device without compatibility issues.
Sorry for all the questions I just don't want to spend a great deal of money on a device thats not going to work the way I need it to.
i so wish it came/comes to Sprint
ATnT prices are jacked up
plus i would lose my 25% sprint discount
Hello, It is possible to buy moto x phone on official site and receive in France. The phone support french phone networks like Orange or SFR ? Sorry for my english.
Thanks.
i would guess the only way you will be able to buy it is say through ebay from a seller willing to ship to you (i sent a puerto rico XT1058 unlocked to a guy in the UK...)
they are GSM phones so it shoudl support at least HSPA+. none of the moto phones support the french LTE bands i dont think though.
I agree: you will have to buy it on ebay(like me) or use one of the services that gives you temporary adress in USA so you can order it(this will cost you more, but you can create your own Moto on moto maker, so it can be worth it if you want some unusual color).
As far as I know, majority of Europe networks are GSM, so you don't want one from Verizon or US Cellular(these are CDMA, although I have once seen GSM Verizon version, but they are quite rare on ebay)
Also don't be afraid of locked phones, 99.9% of them can by unlocked for something around 15$ and amount of carrier bloatware is minimal. (Mine Moto is from AT&T and I was able to disable everything except one contact synchronization service)
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daemontus said:
I agree: you will have to buy it on ebay(like me) or use one of the services that gives you temporary adress in USA so you can order it(this will cost you more, but you can create your own Moto on moto maker, so it can be worth it if you want some unusual color).
As far as I know, majority of Europe networks are GSM, so you don't want one from Verizon or US Cellular(these are CDMA, although I have once seen GSM Verizon version, but they are quite rare on ebay)
Also don't be afraid of locked phones, 99.9% of them can by unlocked for something around 15$ and amount of carrier bloatware is minimal. (Mine Moto is from AT&T and I was able to disable everything except one contact synchronization service)
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the verizon XT1060 edition , is GSM compatible, just no LTE (really no difference from your point of view in france). verizon's new moto phones have been GSM unlocked for a while from the factory (even the last generation).
i wouldnt recommend it unless it was very very cheap though as verizon updates are slow, and the bootloader is locked. you'd be better off with one of the puerto rico / chile ones since at least you could unlock and flash the dev images.
Hello all,
I live in the US now but gonna back to France eventually. I plan on buying a Moto X with moto maker using the 150$ coupon and using it in France at some point. My questions are :
- Is there any difference beetween the T-Mobile and ATandT version ? (I know that I don't want a CDMA version)
- Is there a difference beetween the GSM Developper Edition and the one from T-Mob. and ATandT ?
- When it's come to Android update, wich version will you think update the fastest ?
Thanks,
Julien
Different types of Moto x
If you want to use the Moto x in Europe (France) you should know these:
1 Basicly you have two different types of Moto x as far as concerns radio frequencies: GSM type and CDMA type. You can't use CDMA type in Europe therefore you must select between GSM types. CDMA types are phones branded for Verizon, Sprint and any others intended for their networks (US Cellular...).
2 Special case is Republic Wireless which seems to use the dedicated voip application (sip), working primarily on its wireless network and in extension on the Sprint CDMA.
3 On the GSM side you have in the USA phones for the following operators: AT&T, T-mobile and developers edition. In Canada you can get Rogers network which is host for the Fido operator as well.
4. In central and South America you can find Nextel in Mexico, Claro in Chile, Columbia, Peru, Brazil and Puerto Rico and Movistar in Argentina. I might have ommited some of them but they all operates on GSM network.
5. Moto x is sold on the contract in Germany as well for pretty high price and i believe that it is a T-mobile model.
So what is important for the Eropean to make a right choise? You must know that all this phones are more or less branded and some of them locked to the original network. You might experience a serious problem trying to unlock one.
The second fact worth to be considered is the LTE network. It is true that it is not so widely spreaded in Europe as in the USA but it can comes a point in the year or two. And you don't want to buy a fairly expensive phone for six months, do you?
Taking these into the consideration I've been learned so far:
Model XT1058 covered highest number of LTE bands among all. Model XT1058 covers LTE 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100/2600. It is sold by AT&T and some Central/South American operators. While is likely that AT&T's model lacks 2600 band as Jelly Bean and regarding some testimonies gains it with the KITKAT, the others seem to have even more LTE bands deactivated and are practically unuseful in Europe.
Unfortunatelly AT&T's model has others significiant disadvantages: the bootloader is not unlockable what simply means that you might never have opportunity to install the custum ROM. And what is worst: in the last time you hardly get unlock code and that might force you to be hooked on the AT&T network for a long time or forever.
T-mobile and developers models both work on LTE 700 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 frequencies, what means that they match only one european band - 2100. LTE frequencies which are mostly in use in Europe are: 1800, 2100 and 2600. Otherwise this two models come with unlockable bootloader and they are not locked to any network.
Rogers and Fido have both unlockable bootloader, they are not locked to any network, not branded and they work on LTE 2100 and 2600.
It's hard to collect these information and make an optimal decision. Feel free to correct or amend me if you find that I failed in any part of my explanation. But now I know for sure: if I had this knowledge before, I'd undoubtly opted for the Rogers model.
Thanks for this amazing explanation ! It should be pinned somewhere.
Here is what I understand from your answer and all I read :
- I might be able to have the 4G LTE in France with the ATandT version (2600) but it could be tricky to unlock. I'm not sure I understand the KITKAT parts (My english is not so good)
- T mobile are not locked and it's easy to unlock the bootloader. About LTE you say it has 2100. But I don't think we have this frequency available in France. From the wikipedia article it's more 800, 1800 and 2600. So I might not have LTE. Do you know about HSPA+ ?
- The rogers version could be the best option. What about the price ? Can I pick this provider trought the motomaker with Cybermonday deal ?
Now About the 4G LTE in France 2 things :
- The cover is really poor right now unless you live inside a big city
- The plan are way more expensive than regular 3G (HSPA+) except for ''Free Mobile'' who just add the LTE for free at no extra cost (But has a really really bad cover)
That's why I could go with a HSPA version only.
Thanks you again for you answers ! I'm glad I registered on the XDA forum today
[email protected] said:
Thanks for this amazing explanation ! It should be pinned somewhere.
Here is what I understand from your answer and all I read :
- I might be able to have the 4G LTE in France with the ATandT version (2600) but it could be tricky to unlock. I'm not sure I understand the KITKAT parts (My english is not so good)
- T mobile are not locked and it's easy to unlock the bootloader. About LTE you say it has 2100. But I don't think we have this frequency available in France. From the wikipedia article it's more 800, 1800 and 2600. So I might not have LTE. Do you know about HSPA+ ?
- The rogers version could be the best option. What about the price ? Can I pick this provider trought the motomaker with Cybermonday deal ?
Now About the 4G LTE in France 2 things :
- The cover is really poor right now unless you live inside a big city
- The plan are way more expensive than regular 3G (HSPA+) except for ''Free Mobile'' who just add the LTE for free at no extra cost (But has a really really bad cover)
That's why I could go with a HSPA version only.
Thanks you again for you answers ! I'm glad I registered on the XDA forum today
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Hi,
the detailed description of Moto x LTE frequencies could be found on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moto_X. The only question is how accurate it is. Regarding my experience you should be careful with Central/South American bands and ask the seller about details before buying one. I asked a lot and once got the information that Claro's from Puerto Rico only supports LTE 700/850/1700. And it is confirmed that AT&T's Moto x with initial operating system (4.2.2) doesn't work on 2600Mhz. Regarding Wiki and some claims, when you upgrade it to 4.4 (KitKat), you get 2600 on LTE. That's what I ment in previous comment about LTE and AT&T. But this is just unproved information though there isn't any 2600MHz LTE network in the USA and nobody has tested it yet. In the USA they prefer lower LTE bands (700, 850 MHz) because they can obtain better signal range and penetration through buildings. But you can gain broader bandwith on higher frequencies, that's why Americans later built more networks on 1700, 1900 and 2500 MHz.
To make the situation clear: AT&T has on the LTE the most suatible frequencies to European networks. According to the Wiki is the same with other XT1058 models, Central/South American Vivo, Claro, Movistar. But for the latest Wiki might be wrong, it worth checking before buying.
As I mentioned before, AT&T's models has other more serious disadvantages. But I wouldn't neglect the LTE capacity of the phone, the features of modern phones which firstly look uninteresting becomes very actual this year. I mean NFC (apps management, direct payment) and LTE. Although LTE is not even nearly as widely spreaded in Europe as in the USA, the situation might change in the near future. European Commission which is very innovative on the field of mobile communications, issued last year the Decision 243/2012/EU establishing a multiannual radio spectrum policy to year 2020. In this policy it not only encourages member states to develop the 4G networks but make them also commited to. The frequencies available for the LTE should be:
- 790 do 862 MHz,
- 880 do 915 MHz,
- 925 do 960 MHz,
- 1.710 do 1.785 MHz,
- 1.805 do 1.880 MHz,
- 1.900 do 1.980 MHz,
- 2.010 do 2.025 MHz,
- 2.110 do 2.170 MHz,
- 2,5 do 2,69 GHz in
- 3,4 do 3,8 GHz.
In fact most of the European countries opt primarly for 2600MHz, 1800MHz, 800MHz and 2100MHz. In concreto in France a rollout of LTE networks began, mostly on 2600MHz and less on 800MHZ. The situation regarding LTE coverage might be completely different at the end of 2014.
There is no problem with GSM and 3G frequencies, all GSM models opreate on: GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 and 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 HSDPA (T-mobile and Developers edition additionally on HSDPA 1700).
To summarize, what should be advised to the European buyer of Moto x:
1. Buy a new phone (although the service is only in the USA you still get full warranty registering your phone on the Motorola website).
2. Choose the right model taking into consideration: SIM unlocked/locked, bootloader locked/unlocked, LTE band. Sometimes is worth pay more to have significant less problems.
3. Pay with PayPal (you have effective claim against the seller if you don't get the phone as described).
4. Run it at least 1 or better 2 weeks before root or change ROM. That is minimal sufficient time to find out possible malfunctions.
A few words regarding warranty, SIM unlocking, rooting, bootloader unlocking:
In Europe SIM unlocking, rooting and bootloader unlocking is legal and for natural person, any of these acts could not void the warranty regarding Directive 1999/44/CE if the warranty claim doesn't derive from such act and the operating system is recovered to the original. In the USA rooting the device is legal and couldn't void the warranty as long as the device is reverted to original. The situation with SIM unlocking and bootloader unlocking is somehow funny. As from January 26th 2013 according to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act unlocking SIM without operators permittion is ilegal. But this rule only applies to cell phones, not to for example to tablets and other devices which use SIM cards and at least data transmittion if not telephony functionality. As regard unlock bootloader the previous stand of Motorola was even more absurd: They sell developers edition of Moto x and they encouraged usesrs to unlock the bootloader but they warned them if they had done so, they warranty would be void. Latter they changed that collision by issuing an original system image for recover and announcing that they would recognize the warranty despite the unlocked bootloader.
In other parts of the word including Canada SIM unlock doesn't have inpact on the warranty.
Just adding one thing!
If you want to set your use the touchless control in French, it is not possible with Latin American phones, they don't have this option and you can't set your phone in French (only English, Brazilian Portuguese and Spanish available), so even if you set your voice search language to French in Google Now or in settings, the recognition is working well but it will never reply to you or do any action. Which ruins all the interest.
Now I think the AT&T phone got French in the settings but I am not sure, can someone confirm this? Not the Voice Search language (all Google languages are available there) but the phone language settings, is there French?
Thanks,
Tih
tihtow said:
Just adding one thing!
If you want to set your use the touchless control in French, it is not possible with Latin American phones, they don't have this option and you can't set your phone in French (only English, Brazilian Portuguese and Spanish available), so even if you set your voice search language to French in Google Now or in settings, the recognition is working well but it will never reply to you or do any action. Which ruins all the interest.
Now I think the AT&T phone got French in the settings but I am not sure, can someone confirm this? Not the Voice Search language (all Google languages are available there) but the phone language settings, is there French?
Thanks,
Tih
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I read on another thread that the T-mobile version comes with french (I don't know for AT&T). For this reason and for the fact that this version is less locked, I bought it on the moto maker. Thanks piskr and all other XDA members for helping me in this choice !
I will let you know what I think of the phone once I received it.
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I read on another thread that the T-mobile version comes with french (I don't know for AT&T). For this reason and for the fact that this version is less locked, I bought it on the moto maker. Thanks piskr and all other XDA members for helping me in this choice !
I will let you know what I think of the phone once I received it.
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I'm curious, how did you manage to buy it on motomaker from outside the USA? Do you have a US credit card? How are you shipping it to France? I'd like to do the same thing (but shipping to Canada) but not sure how to proceed...
BlackAurora said:
I'm curious, how did you manage to buy it on motomaker from outside the USA? Do you have a US credit card? How are you shipping it to France? I'd like to do the same thing (but shipping to Canada) but not sure how to proceed...
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I have the AT&T model, it supports touchless control in French. Though I don't recoomend it. I guess that all American and Canadian models support French. Better go for Rogers, Fido or T-mobile.
BlackAurora said:
I'm curious, how did you manage to buy it on motomaker from outside the USA? Do you have a US credit card? How are you shipping it to France? I'd like to do the same thing (but shipping to Canada) but not sure how to proceed...
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I'm living in the US right know. And my american roommate was kind enough to use his card. It didn't work with my French one.
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I'm living in the US right know. And my american roommate was kind enough to use his card. It didn't work with my French one.
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I can confirm that none of my credit cards worked on motos website (master cards issued in Sweden). They reserve money at your bank but you get it back a few days later.
I have a friend who studies in the states and he has an american credit card. He will buy it for me and take it to Sweden. I will design the phone at moto maker and save the design. He will then log on to my google account and choose carrier and do all of the "checkout".
So much work for a bloody phone.
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I can confirm that none of my credit cards worked on motos website (master cards issued in Sweden). They reserve money at your bank but you get it back a few days later.
I have a friend who studies in the states and he has an american credit card. He will buy it for me and take it to Sweden. I will design the phone at moto maker and save the design. He will then log on to my google account and choose carrier and do all of the "checkout".
So much work for a bloody phone.
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So, how does it work, the 1058, in your countries?
As the title says I have a Lumia 1320 with a 4g sim which worked fine on my galaxy s4 but on this , when I go into mobile settings it only has the option for 2g or 3g ?
I have flashed the latest UK rom because it came with a Thailand rom on it
Is there a rom I could flash that has the 4g option enabled ?
Are you sure it supports your 4G bands? If you bought it from outside the region (sounds likely) it might not have access to the 4G band(s) that your carrier uses.
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Are you sure it supports your 4G bands? If you bought it from outside the region (sounds likely) it might not have access to the 4G band(s) that your carrier uses.
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So its the hardware ?
I thought if I flashed a Uk rom it would change the radio ?
The phone only physically supports certain radio bands. Re-flashing *might* let you use, say, 1800MHz for LTE (4G) where previously you could only use it for HSDPA (3G), but if your phone doesn't *have* an 1800MHz radio, you're out of luck (and maybe even if it does, depending on how the hardware is configured; i.e. if the radio does the relevant encoding and collision detection and such internally than it will be tied to a specific cellular technology).
Note that I have no idea *what* bands you need... but most mobile operators only have a single LTE band. You should check and see if it's one your phone offers.
Hello people.
I’m here to ask you some stuff. I’m about to buy a Note 8, because sadly my beloved Note 4 got stolen (It was time for a replacement, either way)
So, I found the model SM-N950N which is form Korea and has 256 gb of internal storage.
I read a lot this few days about this model, but I wanted to ask you some questions because there are certain things I’m not sure about.
1) It is necessary to use the phone with a Korean SIM card to unlock it, or I just put my SIM from Argentina? (I already check the bands and in theory it should work)
2) The updates are going to be affected because the phone doesn’t have a Korean SIM?
3) In my country, Samsung Pay isn’t available. But according to what I read, this feature only works in Korea. Is it posible to change that without triggering Samsung Knox?
4) I read somewhere this phones doesn’t include google services (This model, or SM-N9500, I’m no sure). If so, Is it difficult to make them work??
I know other possibility I have is the model from HK, SM-N9500, but I would like to use an exynos variant.
According to your answers I’ll decide if it is worth it to buy this model, or but the local one and be happy with 64 gb.
This is new territory to me, so be patient!!
Thank you in advance! Probably other questions will arise and I’ll add them in this thread.
gjtiri said:
Hello people.
I’m here to ask you some stuff. I’m about to buy a Note 8, because sadly my beloved Note 4 got stolen (It was time for a replacement, either way)
So, I found the model SM-N950N which is form Korea and has 256 gb of internal storage.
I read a lot this few days about this model, but I wanted to ask you some questions because there are certain things I’m not sure about.
1) It is necessary to use the phone with a Korean SIM card to unlock it, or I just put my SIM from Argentina? (I already check the bands and in theory it should work)
2) The updates are going to be affected because the phone doesn’t have a Korean SIM?
3) In my country, Samsung Pay isn’t available. But according to what I read, this feature only works in Korea. Is it posible to change that without triggering Samsung Knox?
4) I read somewhere this phones doesn’t include google services (This model, or SM-N9500, I’m no sure). If so, Is it difficult to make them work??
I know other possibility I have is the model from HK, SM-N9500, but I would like to use an exynos variant.
According to your answers I’ll decide if it is worth it to buy this model, or but the local one and be happy with 64 gb.
This is new territory to me, so be patient!!
Thank you in advance! Probably other questions will arise and I’ll add them in this thread.
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1. no, just use it. Korean models don't have any SIM or carrier locks, or regional SIM activation requirement
2.. SIM is unrelated to updates - as long as it is unmodified it will still get updates
3. you will want to search more about this but no you won't be able to use it in your country
4. it does include them, not sure where you read that.
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1. no, just use it. Korean models don't have any SIM or carrier locks, or regional SIM activation requirement
2.. SIM is unrelated to updates - as long as it is unmodified it will still get updates
3. you will want to search more about this but no you won't be able to use it in your country
4. it does include them, not sure where you read that.
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Thank you for your answer!! @Kalm_Traveler As I say before, I check and this model has all the necessary bands for 3G and 4G in my country. But at in some sites it says it is 2G quad band, and other than it only has bands 900, 1800 and 1900, when in my country we use 850 too.
Is FrecuencyCheck a reliable source? Thank you!!!
gjtiri said:
Thank you for your answer!! @Kalm_Traveler As I say before, I check and this model has all the necessary bands for 3G and 4G in my country. But at in some sites it says it is 2G quad band, and other than it only has bands 900, 1800 and 1900, when in my country we use 850 too.
Is FrecuencyCheck a reliable source? Thank you!!!
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Frequency check is not a reliable source as far as I'm concerned.
Back in January I was researching the Samsung Tab S2 international models. One model was the SM-T819N and the other SM-T819Y which I bought in the end. They listed one less band on their website for the 819Y model.
Luckily for me, I used Samsung's own website to check the bands before I purchased it. In my case I checked Samsung Singapore website to see it's tech specs .
So you should check the frequency by visiting Samsung's Korea website and not rely on Frequency Check.
Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
Seeing that I might have to order a SM-N9500 version of the phone, this is just like the Korean version? I can put my Argentinian SIM out of the box? Thank you!
From the Korean Samsung website:
2G GSM
GSM900, DCS1800, PCS1900
3G UMTS
B1(2100), B2(1900), B5(850)
3G TD-SCDMA
B34(2010), B39(1880)
4G FDD LTE
B1(2100), B2(1900), B3(1800), B4(AWS), B5(850), B7(2600), B8(900), B12(700), B13(700), B17(700), B18(800), B19(800), B20(800), B25(1900), B26(850), B28(700)
4G TDD LTE
B38(2600), B39(1900), B40(2300), B41(2500)
gjtiri said:
Hello people.
I’m here to ask you some stuff. I’m about to buy a Note 8, because sadly my beloved Note 4 got stolen (It was time for a replacement, either way)
So, I found the model SM-N950N which is form Korea and has 256 gb of internal storage.
I read a lot this few days about this model, but I wanted to ask you some questions because there are certain things I’m not sure about.
1) It is necessary to use the phone with a Korean SIM card to unlock it, or I just put my SIM from Argentina? (I already check the bands and in theory it should work)
2) The updates are going to be affected because the phone doesn’t have a Korean SIM?
3) In my country, Samsung Pay isn’t available. But according to what I read, this feature only works in Korea. Is it posible to change that without triggering Samsung Knox?
4) I read somewhere this phones doesn’t include google services (This model, or SM-N9500, I’m no sure). If so, Is it difficult to make them work??
I know other possibility I have is the model from HK, SM-N9500, but I would like to use an exynos variant.
According to your answers I’ll decide if it is worth it to buy this model, or but the local one and be happy with 64 gb.
This is new territory to me, so be patient!!
Thank you in advance! Probably other questions will arise and I’ll add them in this thread.
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I am in the US and Samsung Pay works perfectly.
- R. Kruse Ludington:
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