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New Note 3 and New Gear (Advice needed please)

So.... my contract upgrade and Valentines Day fell right on top of each other and my wonderful woman made a new Note 3 and Gear ($150 deal at Best Buy) happen for me (ain't she the best?).
Could someone advise me to the advantages and or disadvantages of not rooting the Note while still rooting and modding the Gear? I am not new to the root/mod world having done so on previous phones (2 previous Evo 4Gs, 2 EvoLTEs, and a few others for friends and family). I basically only needed root for wifi tether and titanium backup but would rather not muck up my new devices with aftermarket roms unless there is distinct benefit in doing so. I do see the advantages of root/modding the gear but what do I lose by not root/modding the Note as well?
Thanks in advance for any and all advice.

natefuhr said:
So.... my contract upgrade and Valentines Day fell right on top of each other and my wonderful woman made a new Note 3 and Gear ($150 deal at Best Buy) happen for me (ain't she the best?).
Could someone advise me to the advantages and or disadvantages of not rooting the Note while still rooting and modding the Gear? I am not new to the root/mod world having done so on previous phones (2 previous Evo 4Gs, 2 EvoLTEs, and a few others for friends and family). I basically only needed root for wifi tether and titanium backup but would rather not muck up my new devices with aftermarket roms unless there is distinct benefit in doing so. I do see the advantages of root/modding the gear but what do I lose by not root/modding the Note as well?
Thanks in advance for any and all advice.
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Howzit man, congrats on the phone and Gear.
Well I am running stock note 3 and null_21 on the Gear.
I am leaving the note stock for now because dont really have the need or want to root at this stage....but
Rooting the gear definitely has major advantages over stock. Just makes the device so more useful and fun to use. I am enjoying it alot more after root. Read the root guides and watch some video of rooted gears and you will see how much better it becomes
Cheers

Thanks man. So I won't be missing out on any Gear functionality but not rooting the Note is what I'm assuming?
Sent from my SM-N900P using Tapatalk

There's a lot of functionality that you're going to be missing out on both devices by not rooting. You don't necessarily need a custom ROM on the Note 3 either to get significantly more enjoyment out of it. Keep in mind that there are some rooting methods out there for the Note 3 that trip the KNOX warranty counter and others that don't, so if you root make sure to pay attention to that. Once you're rooted install Xposed framework and grab some modules like Wanam, Tinted Status Bar, Disable Clear Defaults Dialog, and App Settings. Those are the 4 I use and they are glorious. As for the Gear I'm currently working on rooting/installing a custom ROM on it because I want Google Now, which apparently requires Bluetooth Tethering to be enabled from what I can tell.
If you're not comfortable with doing this just yet give it a few months, you'll likely get the itch to tweak with more stuff and the Xposed/root thing should scratch that for a while. I got my Note 3 at launch and literally installed my first custom ROM yesterday, so it's possible to hold off

I know I'm missing out on both by not rooting. After all of the stuff I've read on tripping Knox I'm wary about rooting the Note. I did notice however that I do already BT tethering as an option on the stock Sprint Note rom. I don't know if it will be limited like the wifi tether would be though. After all of the bugs and glitches and battery life issues I had with my old EvoLTEs I was just resigned to keeping the Note stock and especially now that they have officially confirmed 4.4 coming it's way. I'm planning in holding off on the Note until a root method for 4.4 comes around.
As far as the Gear goes... I am itching to root this thing badly and see what this little doodad from hell can do. I just need to sit down and read all of the tutorials as I have always done so that I don't become forum fodder for asking questions that were already answered.
Long story long... am I going to give up and Gear functionality by not rooting the Note assuming bluetooth tethering functions on the stock note rom or is the Gear root functionality independent of whatever phone I have it attached to?
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New t mobile note 4 sm-n910t3 ver 5.1.1 root??

Hello Everyone!
I just got a New t mobile note 4 SM-n910T3 lollypop? 5.1.1
I have been Cruzin this site and the web all night looking on how to root this phone without tripping knox
I am on a satellite internet service (HUGHESNET) and it is so very slow at times and only 250 megs of web surfing per day and I just about burned up my days allotment today trying to figure this phone out and rooting it
was going to get a note 5 but you can't replace a battery or add a sd card. most of Samsung new models are like the note 5, then finding out about this 5.1.1!! it looks like Samsung does not like people that buy there phones to modify or customize what they pay $500 to $700 for
So what is the best way to root this phone?? without tripping the knox
there is www.towelroot.com does this trip knox?
pingpong root?
one click root?
kingroot?
man o man this seems to go on and on
I wish the moderators here would make a thread on tested rooting processes so those of us that
do not have the skills that most people here at XDA do!! So like this post I think there are many many more like mine here!
Sorry if this has been posted by someone else

At this time and for the foreseeable future it will be impossible to not trip KNOX, every time Samsung updates it blocks you from messing with the firmware and all the methods you mentioned are "absolite" and do not work.
You need a new carrier with more power.
Pp.

Thank you for a reply but
You need a new carrier with more power. ???
I am on t mobile service are you saying go to AT&T more power??
Sorry I do not understand (You need a new carrier with more power. )
cf autoroot wont work on this phone??
so if I did not mind tripping knox what would be the best way to root this phone

I rooted my old Note 3 in October 2013 and read there is a hardware switch (like a fuse) that get's tripped when specific software changes are made. I don't know for sure that this is true, but the effectiveness of Knox can be seen in your difficulty of finding a way to circumvent it. If developers had found a way around it in the last 2+ years, it would be wildly popular and easy to find.
No, if you want root, you have to trip Knox. If you're with T-mobile, though, you may find it helpful to know I have not had an issue with getting support, including a replacement, for Knox-tripped phones.
XDA is set up in forum format so that you can read the results of personal testing and make your own choices. Yes, it would be great if they were made for us, and it would be great if everything on our phones worked all the time regardless of the hacks we do. You are hacking you phone. You get to decide how to do it. Usually there is risk of losing features, and often you can add features, like root. You get to decide what features are worth what risk. Happy reading.

Janis said:
I rooted my old Note 3 in October 2013 and read there is a hardware switch (like a fuse) that get's tripped when specific software changes are made. I don't know for sure that this is true, but the effectiveness of Knox can be seen in your difficulty of finding a way to circumvent it. If developers had found a way around it in the last 2+ years, it would be wildly popular and easy to find.
No, if you want root, you have to trip Knox. If you're with T-mobile, though, you may find it helpful to know I have not had an issue with getting support, including a replacement, for Knox-tripped phones.
XDA is set up in forum format so that you can read the results of personal testing and make your own choices. Yes, it would be great if they were made for us, and it would be great if everything on our phones worked all the time regardless of the hacks we do. You are hacking you phone. You get to decide how to do it. Usually there is risk of losing features, and often you can add features, like root. You get to decide what features are worth what risk. Happy reading.
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Hey so have you actually rooted a SM-N910T3 and unlocked bootloader and all?? I am desperate to get my rooted and flashed with a clean rom. please help.

Stock vs rooted

Is it worth to root and install other roms breaking the warranty? What is better camera? Battery life, performance? Still no lineage os proper rom.. Thansk for answers. Im asking who is a flashaholic and tested many roms. Because i was. Had note3. quite new with note8

Fulfen said:
Is it worth to root and install other roms breaking the warranty? What is better camera? Battery life, performance? Still no lineage os proper rom.. Thansk for answers. Im asking who is a flashaholic and tested many roms. Because i was. Had note3. quite new with note8
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I used to root and flash everything I had as well. Started on the note 2, then 3 and 4. I came from the Note 4. I still haven't seen any real benefits of rooting the Note 8. My reasoning before was for free wifi hotspot. But I have that now on my stock 8.
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donelam304 said:
I used to root and flash everything I had as well. Started on the note 2, then 3 and 4. I came from the Note 4. I still haven't seen any real benefits of rooting the Note 8. My reasoning before was for free wifi hotspot. But I have that now on my stock 8.
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The UI and customization is better on Roms. Being able to rid self of ads cool as well. Also being able to get rid of bloatware. But I can understand where your coming from.
I am kinda on same boat as you. Rooting and Roming is dien it seems. Wish it wasn't The Note 8 Sexy with Root or not Root thou

Fulfen said:
Is it worth to root and install other roms breaking the warranty? What is better camera? Battery life, performance? Still no lineage os proper rom.. Thansk for answers. Im asking who is a flashaholic and tested many roms. Because i was. Had note3. quite new with note8
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This is the first phone I have not rooted and have no intention to root.
Reasons why I generally root -
* Can block ads on the default (Chrome) browser. To work around, I use Firefox instead of Chrome. I also hear Samsung's own browser is good and also has adblocking, a lot of people swear by it, but I haven't yet tried it much. I'm eager to see how Google implements it in Q2 2018.
* Could turn screen upside down. This helps a lot if you use (wired) headsets or charger while using the phone in portrait mode while lying down. IMO this should be part of stock! But this alone is not worth it for me to root.
Beware you shouldn't root this phone just for experimenting.
WARNING Rooting breaks Knox, which disables a few things few things irreversibly. As of now, you won't be able to use Samsung Pay / Android Pay, Samsung Secure Files, even if you 'unroot'.
You should root if you want to try out new ROM's, and you are okay with loosing secure features like Android Pay / Samsung Pay forever.

Samsung nube here a little help on new phone

My first smart phone was the Motorola droid x then I did have the Samsung mega that was easy to root and the as possible back then was not like today.i just gave my girlfriend the PIXEL. And I got me this note 8 unlocked My questions are.
1. Does root disable Knox (I believe if Knox is tripped Samsung pay won't work)
2I have n950u1ubu2bqk1 model I have not upgraded yet is this still rootable. If so will it tripped Knox. Can you give me the link to the right guide
3. What about TWRP will that trip Knox.
4.if Knox is tripped can I get back to stock and have Knox back
Thank you in advance

cgrimm9 said:
My first smart phone was the Motorola droid x then I did have the Samsung mega that was easy to root and the as possible back then was not like today.i just gave my girlfriend the PIXEL. And I got me this note 8 unlocked My questions are.
1. Does root disable Knox (I believe if Knox is tripped Samsung pay won't work)
2I have n950u1ubu2bqk1 model I have not upgraded yet is this still rootable. If so will it tripped Knox. Can you give me the link to the right guide
3. What about TWRP will that trip Knox.
4.if Knox is tripped can I get back to stock and have Knox back
Thank you in advance
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1 Don't worry about Knox (Extremely hard to do on Snapdragon)
2 Root
3 No, so don't worry
4 You worry too much about Knox and yes you can go to stock.

cgrimm9 said:
My first smart phone was the Motorola droid x then I did have the Samsung mega that was easy to root and the as possible back then was not like today.i just gave my girlfriend the PIXEL. And I got me this note 8 unlocked My questions are.
1. Does root disable Knox (I believe if Knox is tripped Samsung pay won't work)
2I have n950u1ubu2bqk1 model I have not upgraded yet is this still rootable. If so will it tripped Knox. Can you give me the link to the right guide
3. What about TWRP will that trip Knox.
4.if Knox is tripped can I get back to stock and have Knox back
Thank you in advance
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1 yes
2 yes
3 there is no twrp for u1
4 yes

Im not sure, but I believe the current root method for the 950U1 does not trip Knox; however Samsung Pay will not work on a rooted device.
If you do trip Knox, no you can NOT get Knox back. You can flash back to stock and uproot, but if Knox gets tripped it's done. It's an actual physical change on the motherboard that can't be reversed with software.
I personally no longer see a reason to riot, but others here disagree. You can disable almost any app you want without root with Package Disabler (although it seems the people with the best battery life and performance didnt disable anything). Ad Hell 2 will disable ads across the device without root. The Samsung Browser already has built in ad blockers. If you want to customize, there's plenty of themes in the Samsung theres store, or go with Substratum for full customization.
If I were you, I would enjoy the stock rooted experience for a while. You just might be surprised.
By the way, I've always been a Nexus/Pixel fan, rooting, custom ROM flashaholic. I unlocked bootloaders on all my devices, even if I didn't root them. So I speak from experience.

Mr. Orange 645 said:
Im not sure, but I believe the current root method for the 950U1 does not trip Knox; however Samsung Pay will not work on a rooted device.
If you do trip Knox, no you can NOT get Knox back. You can flash back to stock and uproot, but if Knox gets tripped it's done. It's an actual physical change on the motherboard that can't be reversed with software.
I personally no longer see a reason to riot, but others here disagree. You can disable almost any app you want without root with Package Disabler (although it seems the people with the best battery life and performance didnt disable anything). Ad Hell 2 will disable ads across the device without root. The Samsung Browser already has built in ad blockers. If you want to customize, there's plenty of themes in the Samsung theres store, or go with Substratum for full customization.
If I were you, I would enjoy the stock rooted experience for a while. You just might be surprised.
By the way, I've always been a Nexus/Pixel fan, rooting, custom ROM flashaholic. I unlocked bootloaders on all my devices, even if I didn't root them. So I speak from experience.
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I'm debating cause I had/have the pixel. I bought from Google store. I unlocked and rooted installed TWRP but development not what I thought it would be due to the 2 partitions.
I was debating rooting this phone cause that's what I do can't leave things alone I'm experimenting with substratum trying to find what works and not hard to factory reset yhe phone 3 times now due to crashing.
I heard although rooting is available samfail has its issues I don't know if it's true just what I read not personal experience that can't charge the battery past 80% screen glitches sometimes and apps randomly crash. I think I'm gonna leave the phone alone get substratum theme where I like it. And go from there.
I keep a eye out and see if someone figures a way to install TWRP on this model. If magisk works like it does on the pixel on the note and allows apps like Samsung pay work I may do it. Main reason I root is for fully customized ROMS all I really care about is customization
Thank you your info helped allot. My stock benchmark anitutu ranked 5th on the 1 test I did so I'm happy just got to keep the little kid in me away from the phone

cgrimm9 said:
I'm debating cause I had/have the pixel. I bought from Google store. I unlocked and rooted installed TWRP but development not what I thought it would be due to the 2 partitions.
I was debating rooting this phone cause that's what I do can't leave things alone I'm experimenting with substratum trying to find what works and not hard to factory reset yhe phone 3 times now due to crashing.
I heard although rooting is available samfail has its issues I don't know if it's true just what I read not personal experience that can't charge the battery past 80% screen glitches sometimes and apps randomly crash. I think I'm gonna leave the phone alone get substratum theme where I like it. And go from there.
I keep a eye out and see if someone figures a way to install TWRP on this model. If magisk works like it does on the pixel on the note and allows apps like Samsung pay work I may do it. Main reason I root is for fully customized ROMS all I really care about is customization
Thank you your info helped allot. My stock benchmark anitutu ranked 5th on the 1 test I did so I'm happy just got to keep the little kid in me away from the phone
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Magisk will not allow Samsung Pay to work. It will not work with a rooted device. It is military grade security, which is good thing.

cgrimm9 said:
I'm debating cause I had/have the pixel. I bought from Google store. I unlocked and rooted installed TWRP but development not what I thought it would be due to the 2 partitions.
I was debating rooting this phone cause that's what I do can't leave things alone I'm experimenting with substratum trying to find what works and not hard to factory reset yhe phone 3 times now due to crashing.
I heard although rooting is available samfail has its issues I don't know if it's true just what I read not personal experience that can't charge the battery past 80% screen glitches sometimes and apps randomly crash. I think I'm gonna leave the phone alone get substratum theme where I like it. And go from there.
I keep a eye out and see if someone figures a way to install TWRP on this model. If magisk works like it does on the pixel on the note and allows apps like Samsung pay work I may do it. Main reason I root is for fully customized ROMS all I really care about is customization
Thank you your info helped allot. My stock benchmark anitutu ranked 5th on the 1 test I did so I'm happy just got to keep the little kid in me away from the phone
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Bought the wrong phone for customization.

Curious also, any suggestions.
Like the creator of this thread I can completely admit to being 100% novice. I started out back with the s3, and bricked my first phone, rooted successfully the 2nd time.... But not by any luck of my own, more like i could not figure out how to install superuser, so all i got was a rom that was already rooted and some how managed to flash it over using CWM. Now, many years later.... and yes, i was out (thank you prison) till this year. I now have a Samsung Galaxy Note 8, model number sm-n950u. I have done nothing at all to it, how ever i did download Odin3 3.12.3. I also went to a web page and found platform tools, the adb.exe, which to my knowledge means the Android debugging bridge? either way, I also then downloaded CSC_OYN_N950UOYN1AQIA_CL12185999_QB14995093_REV00_user_low_ship_MULTI_CERT.tar. Now, like many retards before me (myself included) I can't help but to be curious as to the benefits of rooting my device. Or at some point my gf's s8, though she would probably never trust me. Heck, i do not trust myself either because i am still making payments to att for the phone. But I am curious, where would a beginner begin??? where are some easy tutorials for learning how to use odin, or twrp, or cwm, or anything that would help me start.

Cough OnePlus 5T sir would give you the customization your looking for.

Noticed but not a big deal just got to deal with what I got

To root or not to root?

Hi everybody,
I’ve prereserved my Note 9, and while waiting for the release date I’m scrolling through the news and forums just to get teased a bit more
A question I’m asking myself though, is: do I really need to root this phone? I’ll lose some functionalities by rooting it (samsung pay/android pay, safetynet apps, knox...) but I’ll surely miss others too (adaway, xposed, tweaks...)
I always rooted all my devices unconditionnaly, like it’s part of my default setup, but do you guys think it’s still needed those days? Is there really a benefit, or can you live without root?

I use to be an avid 'root my phone asap' kinda guy, but the main reason was for wireless hotspot. It's included in most plans now, so I don't feel the need to. I liked getting a cleaner build, less bloatware. To each there own, but with a locked bootloader here in the US it may be a while as you'll need a unlocked version. Carriers here will have it locked down.

the first thing i'm going to do with the phone when i get it is rooting it, hopefully there is a working twrp and there is no oem timeout for unlocking the bootloader.
i can't live without adaway and titanium backup.
releasedate is thursday next week in sweden, can't wait, i have preordered the 512gb model in blue.

Not worth it anymore. Used to be mandatory when Android wasn't as feature rich and mature, but no reason for me to anymore.

In my case root would be needed only for app data transfer from the old phone. After that I don't see the need of root.
Anyway.. how about knox fuse trip and warranty?
Is this still a thing today? Was it in Note 5 7 8?
I know it was in Note 4. But what about later models?

I used to root, but not any more. I get the US unlocked version to cut down on the bloatware. Samsung has made it sooo easy to theme and skin the phone that it's pointless to root for that. Samsung pay is awesome and I use it more and more every day. Smart Switch has taken the place of Titanium back up, and it's free and very simple to use. Also with the 512gb version I ordered , not too worried about the few programs that I dont like but are included.
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I used to root the second i got a device, however since the 8 and also with the 9 i dont bother any more, all the reasons before were to get better battery life slim down etc, i just use package disable pro now and im done. Besides no point in tripping knox loosing secure folder and faffimng around to get google pay working etc. I love to tinker but the benefits are just not there any more imho

Most probably first phone i will not root. especially for warranty purpose with the know feature

Thanks for the input Now that I have some answers I can give my insights too. I think I'll (be able to) wait a few days before being tempted to root it, but I'm pretty sure there will be a day, especially when Samsung will drop updates and I'll have to use custom ROMs if I want to stay up to date or maybe get the Note 10 port
The things I would miss if I don't root are: Adaway, TWRP (flashing and full backup/restore), MyBackup Pro, debloating, Xposed probably, Viper4Android maybe.

I have been a root on day one guy myself forever. Interesting that people here have not mentioned the privacy issues with all my carrier's supplied bloatware. That crap goes immmmmediately. That was the main reason for rooting for me.

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I have been a root on day one guy myself forever. Interesting that people here have not mentioned the privacy issues with all my carrier's supplied bloatware. That crap goes immmmmediately. That was the main reason for rooting for me.
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Ultimately, you don't necessarily have to root to debloat. You can just flash and use TWRP for this. Although when you boot into TWRP it triggers Knox and you lose those related functionalities.

This will be the second phone im not gonna root. First was the pixel 3 i need samsung pay in my life and plus im getting the locked sprint version. Im scared tho i really do want a clean build. Going with sammy since the s6. I dont want a phone with a notch so i figure i use my upgrade this year

I will always root the 1st day. Titanium backup, ad-away, TWRP, custom roms with 3minit battery, ability to customize volume buttons, VIPER4ANDROID, sooo many more reasons why. Stock is boring and dull. No reason to be on XDA if you are not rooting and using developers creations.

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I will always root the 1st day. Titanium backup, ad-away, TWRP, custom roms with 3minit battery, ability to customize volume buttons, VIPER4ANDROID, sooo many more reasons why. Stock is boring and dull. No reason to be on XDA if you are not rooting and using developers creations.
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Viper4android is the only reason I still root.

Taebom said:
Viper4android is the only reason I still root.
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Yup. Sounds so much better!

I personally stopped rooting since the Note 7 / S7E. I now find Samsung experience to offer me more than enough to keep from rooting. I've rooted all my phones since from the Dream G1 to Galaxy S1, Note 2, to the Note 4.

I root day 0 or I don't buy. Phone is worthless without Titanium backup, ad-away, TWRP.

i'm leaning towards no root. but it may be difficult to swallow at first, i think i've rooted the last 4 galaxies i've had... before that was a Nokia. I will undoubtedly miss ad-away, and i've made good use of Xposed on my recent Note5, but many people mention TitaniumBackup and i just don't use it much anymore. I have done a couple full backups with TWRP and used restore from it a couple times, but lets face it... those are things i wouldn't need if a hadn't broke something in a Root function in the first place! All in all, hoping for the best without Root - I want Knox intact. If you guys don't hear from me in the next week or two, i drowned in advertisements.

I've not rooted since my note 5, after being an instant root and Rom girly. It was previously much more needed, but these days not at all for me.
Best things I've found about not rooting -
- No worries at all about trading in, selling on, warranties, insurance etc.
- No worries about keeping the system ROM up to date, and over the air updates are sooooo easy
- No glitches or issues with radios and hardware etc from non standard roms
For me, the level that the current software and hardware is at has wiped out the need for rooting and flashing custom roms

Dayzee said:
I've not rooted since my note 5, after being an instant root and Rom girly. It was previously much more needed, but these days not at all for me.
Best things I've found about not rooting -
- No worries at all about trading in, selling on, warranties, insurance etc.
- No worries about keeping the system ROM up to date, and over the air updates are sooooo easy
- No glitches or issues with radios and hardware etc from non standard roms
For me, the level that the current software and hardware is at has wiped out the need for rooting and flashing custom roms
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THIS!
I'd rather have the option, but, no such animal for US Samsung devices.
I can deal w/o it on Samsung devices, thanks to Package Disabler Pro & the ad blocking app Block-This.
Is it a perfect substitute for root?
No, but, this gives me the best of what's important to me with the minimum of compromises.
No interest in non-Samsung based ROMs for this phone, why bother picking up a Note to strip it of its unique features........
Currently using a VZW Note 5 using Package Disabler Pro & Block-This..... Doing just fine, the pragmatic part of my twisted mind (on life support, LOL) tells me to save my money & wait until next year, but, I bought this particular phone in great condition @ a great price, to use solely as a trade-in for T-Mobile"s $500 bill credit.....
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