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Working InfraRed (IR) on GT-P3113 using U.K. JB ROM

Just figured this out totally by accident! I have the U.S. version of the GTab 2 7.0 GT-P3113, otherwise the one that has built in remote control capabilities via IR blaster. Just to let everyone know that if you flash the U.K. version of the JellyBean ROM listed on this thread, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2032683, And do so WITHOUT WIPING DATA, while coming from the STOCK 4.0.4 ROM...
YOU WILL RETAIN IR FUNCTIONALITY!!!
Peel, TouchSquid and others that use this IR port will still function.
I hope this helps at least one other person, and always you can click that little ol' ty button if you'd like to.

Old news and wrong section.

Wait Wait Wait, Would you mind pointing out where this has been covered, I can no longer find the thread. Pls and ty.

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IR should work on all stock based roms.
The issue is with non stock roms such as cm or aokp.
Please search next time before posting.

wired-turtle said:
Yep same ole XDA, only asshats with useless negative comments. Thx for the tip op, and type ****-tionary for reminding me why i never visit this hole anymore. Back to the better community on the site that actually gives help instead of "wrong place" remarks.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
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Oh so clever! I told them that this has been covered. I informed him. Then I also let him know its in the wrong section, as this isn't really dev work, but more of a general thing. I'm sorry I don't have the energy to overly explain things to people every time. You can go to your lollipop forum, and leave the xda. It is not my fault that you took it in a negative way. I was not disrespectful to OP at all. If I was, then OP, I won't apologize because I didn't mean it in that way, but please understand I meant nothing ill by it. I didn't say anything rude to op, or you, to warrant your profane language and negative tone.
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mrm0rbid99 said:
Wait Wait Wait, Would you mind pointing out where this has been covered, I can no longer find the thread. Pls and ty.
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It is in a couple of the threads with stock firmwares. People with 3113 tabs flashed 3100 roms and were delighted to discover IR still working. I don't know the exact thread, but it has been covered already. Again, just letting you know it is old news, and you'll be better off posting this in the general section.
There, was that non ahatish enough? I suppose my thanks count means nada, or the multitudes I've helped via PM and email when nobody else would. Meh.

wired-turtle said:
Yep same ole XDA, only asshats with useless negative comments. Thx for the tip op, and type ****-tionary for reminding me why i never visit this hole anymore. Back to the better community on the site that actually gives help instead of "wrong place" remarks.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
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Thank you. Couldn't have said it better myself. Turds.:good:

Ok, I get it, should've gone under general... no need for the 3rd degree, dictionary.

You people are seriously a bunch of wimps if you considered my statements mean or rude. The world has gotten SOFT. I'm done.

the September 18th "leak" fixed the IR issue on the P3113 and any stock based 4.1.1 ROM has since been updated to that base fixing the IR issue, I've been on this section of XDA for less then a month and am aware of this. Perhaps if you have been active here in the last 3 months you might be aware of this. And not being rude but he is right, this is the development section and what you provided belongs on the general section but is frankly unneeded information as it is several months out of date as a proper fix has come out.

You guys seem to have missed the post where I already agreed that this should be under general. Also, I scavenge these forums on a daily basis, If I missed that bit of info where this is already covered, then I missed it's because it was buried in some thread that wasn't specifically covering the topic of the IR port working in non GT-P3113 OEM ROMs. I know a couple of people who've avoided using anything but the stock 4.0.4 simply for fearing the IR port not being able to function.
But that's not the point, not trying to spread old news, just trying to make specific information easier to find, which I believe I've accomplished.
Now if a moderator wants to move/delete this thread, then so be it. I understand this should've gone under general, and I can admit that I put this in the wrong section. That being said, all future posts damning my thread for being in the wrong section, will be considered trolling, which is, of course, not cool.

dictionary said:
You people are seriously a bunch of wimps if you considered my statements mean or rude. The world has gotten SOFT. I'm done.
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Your signature is too long and out of date and so is mine, I'm revising mine, you should do the same.

mrm0rbid99 said:
You guys seem to have missed the post where I already agreed that this should be under general. Also, I scavenge these forums on a daily basis, If I missed that bit of info where this is already covered, then I missed it's because it was buried in some thread that wasn't specifically covering the topic of the IR port working in non GT-P3113 OEM ROMs. I know a couple of people who've avoided using anything but the stock 4.0.4 simply for fearing the IR port not being able to function.
But that's not the point, not trying to spread old news, just trying to make specific information easier to find, which I believe I've accomplished.
Now if a moderator wants to move/delete this thread, then so be it. I understand this should've gone under general, and I can admit that I put this in the wrong section. That being said, all future posts damning my thread for being in the wrong section, will be considered trolling, which is, of course, not cool.
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Wrong section. . Jk. I was referring to the 3rd degree comment, but I digress. Water under the bridge.
Digital, how did you know my gnex broke!? You're psychic! Though every other device under current I do have, lol. I forgot about sigs since I only browse via tapatalk. Will revise it later. At work now and don't feel like editing on mobile.

I admit in my delightment to discover this by accident I posted hastely. Mayen running a JB ROM finally, the performance boost is quite nice, and of course its a perk to have IR functionality, I use it often.
Sorry to hear about your broken device. I wish you quality, cheap repairs!
Sent from my GT-P3110 using xda app-developers app

mrm0rbid99 said:
Just figured this out totally by accident! I have the U.S. version of the GTab 2 7.0 GT-P3113, otherwise the one that has built in remote control capabilities via IR blaster. Just to let everyone know that if you flash the U.K. version of the JellyBean ROM listed on this thread, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2032683, And do so WITHOUT WIPING DATA, while coming from the STOCK 4.0.4 ROM...
YOU WILL RETAIN IR FUNCTIONALITY!!!
Peel, TouchSquid and others that use this IR port will still function.
I hope this helps at least one other person, and always you can click that little ol' ty button if you'd like to.
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just change ur build.prop to say its a P3113

Lookin4Twinkies said:
just change ur build.prop to say its a P3113
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Done, works spledidly. Thanks for the idea.

The waiting Room - Off Topic

While everyone is waiting for their phones, I thought I would start a thread where we could just talk without worrying about going off-topic. If you want to talk about how other phones compare to the HTC First, rant about rotten fruit and the vegetables that use them, etc, than this is the place.
Just please remember that all of the forum rules still apply here though.

welcome to XDA
Hi everybody, I am one of the mods on the team, welcome to the forums. If you post a question thread here in the General forum and notice it is missing, please check the One Q&A forum and you might just find it there.
If you posted a placeholder thread simply to gain thanks for doing nothing, you might have to keep looking...
Thank you,
mf2112
XDA Moderator

about the placeholder threads.... you will close the placeholders or delete them
? people start the placeholder index threads (they are closed) and then when the device is released their thread is opened again and that is not fair. if such threads are opened again then what is the use of closing them at the first place. it would be better if you delete any placeholder threads when they are created.
just a request to mods that you delete placeholders.
thanks

CnC-ROCK said:
about the placeholder threads.... you will close the placeholders or delete them
? people start the placeholder index threads (they are closed) and then when the device is released their thread is opened again and that is not fair. if such threads are opened again then what is the use of closing them at the first place. it would be better if you delete any placeholder threads when they are created.
just a request to mods that you delete placeholders.
thanks
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To be honest I hadn't decided completely. I understand that such threads are going to be opened even though they are really off-topic and have nothing to do with the phones. In some cases depending on the quality of the post and the attitude of the member, I might undelete/reopen it, but I might not since the only real purpose in opening such a thread now is to gain thanks for doing nothing of real benefit and I don't think that type of behavior is generally to be rewarded. Especially when it is really of no benefit whatsoever. Not like a placeholder for a [GUIDE] or something actually potentially useful, especially if done by a well-known member with a good history.
Thank you,
mf2112
XDA Moderator

mf2112 said:
To be honest I hadn't decided completely. I understand that such threads are going to be opened even though they are really off-topic and have nothing to do with the phones. In some cases depending on the quality of the post and the attitude of the member, I might undelete/reopen it, but I might not since the only real purpose in opening such a thread now is to gain thanks for doing nothing of real benefit and I don't think that type of behavior is generally to be rewarded. Especially when it is really of no benefit whatsoever. Not like a placeholder for a [GUIDE] or something actually potentially useful, especially if done by a well-known member with a good history.
Thank you,
mf2112
XDA Moderator
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ay thanks. would like to see this phone getting many devs

4.2 on htc first ?
any 4.2 rom available for htc first ?

Nick_HtcOne said:
any 4.2 rom available for htc first ?
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Not yet. But according to The Verge, the One Mini will be released in the US (AT&T) on Friday. Hopefully, some dedicated Dev might be able to port its (4.2) ROM to the First - or use it to help get CM or other ASOP working.

some pics i took
i think the htc first is a sexy looking thing, and decided to take some pictures using a background defocus mode. didnt quite work out since the camera doesnt recognize PHONES as a face or anything to focus on...so i did the best i could and came up with this.
i had to compress the pcitures, originaly each one was around 3.5 - 4 megabytes in size and was around 2000x1400 in size or something around there. in otherwords. huge.

R.I.P. to that CM development that we had going on a few weeks ago

SneakyGuyDavid said:
R.I.P. to that CM development that we had going on a few weeks ago
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nope, waiting on my HTC 1st, currently tracking it now.... should be here by friday

Lloir said:
nope, waiting on my HTC 1st, currently tracking it now.... should be here by friday
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Good to hear! I'm anxious to see what you can do with it
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russian392 said:
i think the htc first is a sexy looking thing, and decided to take some pictures using a background defocus mode. didnt quite work out since the camera doesnt recognize PHONES as a face or anything to focus on...so i did the best i could and came up with this.
i had to compress the pcitures, originaly each one was around 3.5 - 4 megabytes in size and was around 2000x1400 in size or something around there. in otherwords. huge.
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That's a fine looking piece of hardware you've got there (;
I regret not getting the black now because the red model strains like crazy and I've tried everything from putting it in a bowl of toothpaste, alcohol, baking soda, and soap to let it set in the freezer over night but no results

and here she is
https://twitter.com/Lloir/status/414045900580061184/photo/1
TO THE ROM BUILDING MACHINE!

Lloir said:
and here she is
https://twitter.com/Lloir/status/414045900580061184/photo/1
TO THE ROM BUILDING MACHINE!
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:victory:

thing is guys. Rashed can do it. like he could do it blindfolded and port like anything no joke ive seen this happen. but what he needs is like a ton of spare time. being in highschool is busy stuff. im just fresh out of there and into college, barely find some time to sit down and ruu my phone cause i use it for like school and stuff.
so if we all have patience either he will do it or someone else, so dont get sad.
also, some plain logic. the more we wait the more people buy the first and the more support we get.

Sadly the First is discontinued so not much people will be buying it unless they are looking for it specifically lol.

Kendosis said:
Sadly the First is discontinued so not much people will be buying it unless they are looking for it specifically lol.
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True...maybe I'll get back into programming. I used to do it a lot but not anymore. I just got sick of java and c lol
But for now its not that bad. At least its fast and stock jb is great as is. Trust me running jb on older phones just sucks
Sent from my HTC first using xda app-developers app

My htc first Zz
:angel:
M from india, first android phone from usa. I dont know why mobile data and wifi dont work > Have to learn to android stuff to make my phone working condition lol..
plz guide guys thnx..

Custom Development for M7spr - Discussion, testing and help

This is a discussion thread for all things custom; Building steps and tips, problem solving and issue discussion. All questions and/or comments are welcome. Be aware, although I build and customize ROMs, I am not a professional developer and cannot promise a solution for your problem. But, hopefully, we can work together to come up with practical solutions for any problems here at m7spr.

So..The things you were shut down on. Were they CM related, or Sense stuff?
Did they involve you working solo, or with a team? Give more details, get the word out.

Felnarion said:
So..The things you were shut down on. Were they CM related, or Sense stuff?
Did they involve you working solo, or with a team? Give more details, get the word out.
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I really am leery of pointing fingers at specific people because I'm new here and don't want to make a name for myself as a whiner. But, basically it is both. The custom ROMs I am working on have all been built before by me on other devices, so that's not the issue. I have inquired about possibly collaborating with other devs on some Sense related stuff and was looking into why there was no official or unofficial release of the current CM10.2. The sense stuff really isn't my bag as much, but i was/am interested. Others are working on the CM, but with no official release in play, no one wants to put theirs out. I have built it successfully, but have no intention of trying to lay it out there when other devs have been working on it before I got here. My thing is this: when I got tired of waiting for devs to come up with new things, I was told to put up or shut up. It was good advice; I have no coding experience specifically, but I like to learn and have been successful at not only compiling and maintaining custom builds, but also starting 'Learn to do it yourself' threads in two different device forums. I like to learn and compile and share. That's it. I don't need (or want) attention or grateful fans or any of that crap. All I want to do is open the doors for more builds and more users getting off their asses and building for themselves. It seems like a win-win to me, but I feel resistance and it is disappointing. I will get off my soapbox now
I typically touch base with any dev who is the creator/maintainer of any ROM I am interested in pursuing. My experience has been more of a quick 'try it out and see what you get' response or 'it can't be done'. This is after I have asked for not only a blessing, but for relevant information and possibly assistance. Maybe I am just hitting up devs who are already frustrated and don't want someone like me asking a bunch of questions, I don't know....

BMP7777 said:
I really am leery of pointing fingers at specific people because I'm new here and don't want to make a name for myself as a whiner. But, basically it is both. The custom ROMs I am working on have all been built before by me on other devices, so that's not the issue. I have inquired about possibly collaborating with other devs on some Sense related stuff and was looking into why there was no official or unofficial release of the current CM10.2. The sense stuff really isn't my bag as much, but i was/am interested. Others are working on the CM, but with no official release in play, no one wants to put theirs out. I have built it successfully, but have no intention of trying to lay it out there when other devs have been working on it before I got here. My thing is this: when I got tired of waiting for devs to come up with new things, I was told to put up or shut up. It was good advice; I have no coding experience specifically, but I like to learn and have been successful at not only compiling and maintaining custom builds, but also starting 'Learn to do it yourself' threads in two different device forums. I like to learn and compile and share. That's it. I don't need (or want) attention or grateful fans or any of that crap. All I want to do is open the doors for more builds and more users getting off their asses and building for themselves. It seems like a win-win to me, but I feel resistance and it is disappointing. I will get off my soapbox now
I typically touch base with any dev who is the creator/maintainer of any ROM I am interested in pursuing. My experience has been more of a quick 'try it out and see what you get' response or 'it can't be done'. This is after I have asked for not only a blessing, but for relevant information and possibly assistance. Maybe I am just hitting up devs who are already frustrated and don't want someone like me asking a bunch of questions, I don't know....
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you can start by helping to get things working in sense 4.2.2 beta rom

flex360 said:
you can start by helping to get things working in sense 4.2.2 beta rom
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I looked your thread up and I think we'd get along great. Anybody who says 'if you don't like me, GOOD' is someone I wanna hang with. It's also funny you should mention helping with that sense version because that's exactly what I was trying to do. Sense aint even my bag, but I was going to look into it from the SVD side to see what I could learn. Maybe I just rubbed that guy the wrong way or something. Regardless, I can't promise how much help I will actually be, but I'm willing to give it a shot. Tell me what you need and the right places to look and I'll do whatever I can. Be cool

BMP7777 said:
I looked your thread up and I think we'd get along great. Anybody who says 'if you don't like me, GOOD' is someone I wanna hang with. It's also funny you should mention helping with that sense version because that's exactly what I was trying to do. Sense aint even my bag, but I was going to look into it from the SVD side to see what I could learn. Maybe I just rubbed that guy the wrong way or something. Regardless, I can't promise how much help I will actually be, but I'm willing to give it a shot. Tell me what you need and the right places to look and I'll do whatever I can. Be cool
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do you have google hangout?

I think one issue is that there is an update to 4.3 looking for the Sprint One. This will undoubtely contain new radios and firmware that will help our phones run on 4.3+. Since this is a know update, many devs have decided to forego work on the the current 4.1.2 Sense ROMs. Some are working on the 4.2.2 Sense ROM, but with no leak, or Sprint version it is much harder work. Also, there is only source for up to 1.29. The source from the 1.31 update is not available and it has caused issues with ROMs based on that update.
Personally I don't get your complaint though. There is a lot of development and a wide selection of ROMs available from Stock Android 4.1 to 4.3 to Stock Sense, to heavily themed Sense ROMs. What exactly is not available that you want?

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do you have google hangout?
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raptoro07 said:
I think one issue is that there is an update to 4.3 looking for the Sprint One. This will undoubtely contain new radios and firmware that will help our phones run on 4.3+. Since this is a know update, many devs have decided to forego work on the the current 4.1.2 Sense ROMs. Some are working on the 4.2.2 Sense ROM, but with no leak, or Sprint version it is much harder work. Also, there is only source for up to 1.29. The source from the 1.31 update is not available and it has caused issues with ROMs based on that update.
Personally I don't get your complaint though. There is a lot of development and a wide selection of ROMs available from Stock Android 4.1 to 4.3 to Stock Sense, to heavily themed Sense ROMs. What exactly is not available that you want?
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This really wasn't meant to be some complaint thread with a bunch of whining; just the opposite, really. I just wanted feedback on how I am perceiving things around here. I'm cool with being told I have it wrong; was hoping for it actually. And you pointed out exactly what I mean in part. Sense this and stock that is the rule of the day here. That's ok. Everyone is allowed to like whatever they want and if sense and stock are the most wanted builds then so be it. But, I am a self-proclaimed customization junkie, for better or for worse. Personally, I like more fully custom ROM choices and have been beating my head against the wall trying to get some Beanstalk love here but without success to this point. BS is already set in 4.3 and matched with CMs 10.2 releases, so I'm stumped. If you have knowledge, I would be happy to show you some of my errors. I do think you make a great point about the whole place being in flux due to the impending 4.3 release. Like I said before, I just want to open up some development doors and get more interest in development in general. Maybe I have hit up the wrong devs or caught them at bad times. It happens.

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This really wasn't meant to be some complaint thread with a bunch of whining; just the opposite, really. I just wanted feedback on how I am perceiving things around here. I'm cool with being told I have it wrong; was hoping for it actually. And you pointed out exactly what I mean in part. Sense this and stock that is the rule of the day here. That's ok. Everyone is allowed to like whatever they want and if sense and stock are the most wanted builds then so be it. But, I am a self-proclaimed customization junkie, for better or for worse. Personally, I like more fully custom ROM choices and have been beating my head against the wall trying to get some Beanstalk love here but without success to this point. BS is already set in 4.3 and matched with CMs 10.2 releases, so I'm stumped. If you have knowledge, I would be happy to show you some of my errors. I do think you make a great point about the whole place being in flux due to the impending 4.3 release. Like I said before, I just want to open up some development doors and get more interest in development in general. Maybe I have hit up the wrong devs or caught them at bad times. It happens.
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Part of the issue might be that users are afraid of using Cm as it has a nasty habit of bricking phones that no one of notoriety has looked into, acknowledged, or found a solution to.

Kraizk said:
Part of the issue might be that users are afraid of using Cm as it has a nasty habit of bricking phones that no one of notoriety has looked into, acknowledged, or found a solution to.
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I haven't really been looking at it after my first run (I personally like Sense a lot, and AOSP didn't have a good way of dealing with the limited hardware options for me), but wasn't the brick-spree killed a while back?

Rirere said:
I haven't really been looking at it after my first run (I personally like Sense a lot, and AOSP didn't have a good way of dealing with the limited hardware options for me), but wasn't the brick-spree killed a while back?
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A couple of people developed a "consensus" that it had been fixed. then 2 more people bricked their phones. ALLEGEDLY the CPU has a tendency to over clock itself and lock at 1.7 Ghz
This is all fine and dandy yet no one can figure out why or how to stop it.

I thought so too
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I thought so too
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Like I said no one ever figured out why or how to stop it. A consensus was reached but then more people bricked. No developers could be bothered to take time out of their day to look into it though.

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Like I said no one ever figured out why or how to stop it. A consensus was reached but then more people bricked. No developers could be bothered to take time out of their day to look into it though.
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I saw one guy who was addressing it and taking names and such, but then I guess it just faded away. Do you know of ongoing issues like this? Can all of the bricks be undoubtedly proven to be from no other cause? I think that would be the defining characteristic of lack of support; difficulty in proving cause. My build of CM10.2 runs fine as long as I don't try to change the font with Font Installer. And I am reasonably certain that it isn't from CM all by itself. I have the same issue with Illusion ROM 4.2.2. Anybody know why we can't change the font? My thread; I can change topic if I want to

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I saw one guy who was addressing it and taking names and such, but then I guess it just faded away. Do you know of ongoing issues like this? Can all of the bricks be undoubtedly proven to be from no other cause? I think that would be the defining characteristic of lack of support; difficulty in proving cause. My build of CM10.2 runs fine as long as I don't try to change the font with Font Installer. And I am reasonably certain that it isn't from CM all by itself. I have the same issue with Illusion ROM 4.2.2. Anybody know why we can't change the font? My thread; I can change topic if I want to
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It is the only common factor in permanent bricks. Phone gets hot, phone wont charge. All other "bricks" are user induced because people did not understand what S-Off meant, what wiping in TWRP means, what GSM means etc etc.

So how many confirmed permanent bricks and when was the last? Has anyone proven a cause? Contacted HTC or CM or Sprint? If there were twenty cases with only 5 confirmed, then it isn't that big from a larger standpoint. See what I mean? That would explain what you see as a lack of support? Has this happened to you?

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I thought so too
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Check your hangouts.

BMP7777 said:
Why does there seem to be very little development going on here and why is the development that is taking place so closely guarded? I thought everyone wanted more choices and new options..... I see that there is current and ongoing 10.2 development (hell, I've even built it), but no one wants to release it. I'm hearing that the last guy who did that got banned. So, if everyone is waiting for OFFICIAL builds to be released first, why are there none being officially worked on? Two times in the last three weeks I have inquired about wanting to work on some new development and have either been told straight out not to release or been effectively threatened with reporting before I have even begun an attempt. I don't know if maybe there has been a rash of jerks who are trying to claim ownership of work that does not belong to them or what, but I've never seen as much negativity about new builds in any thread I have been a part of. I want to claim ownership of nothing; I only want to open doors. I guess I'll just work on things for my own use and leave this forum to the guys currently running it. HMPH :angel:
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You could build us a GSM version ROM that works on the sprint HTC One. You'd be a hero if you could do that. We've already unlocked our phones and are able to connect to the ATT / TMO but only manually. When the signal is lost it seems to still be looking to auto connect to sprint...I would think this should be a simple setting software but I know nothing about phone ROMs.

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You could build us a GSM version ROM that works on the sprint HTC One. You'd be a hero if you could do that. We've already unlocked our phones and are able to connect to the ATT / TMO but only manually. When the signal is lost it seems to still be looking to auto connect to sprint...I would think this should be a simple setting software but I know nothing about phone ROMs.
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Man, if I could do that I'd be a GOD. :angel:

I love lamp
Haha Naw but I see your point but I love and appreciate every devolepers effort here on this forum ..there not a a lot but a bunch of smart and quietly brilliant devs here ...I'm comfortable but the more the merrier
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I just got my Nexus 5, and I'm a little disappointed...

Not about the hardware- that's nothing short of exceptional to me. What I'm wondering is, why are all the new Kitkat based custom roms so stripped-down? I know it's new, and I'm also not a developer but I can appreciate the hard work that goes into making them. On all my devices I've been able to count on roms like CyanogenMod and others to add the subtle tweaks that I feel should have come from the factory. CM 10.2 was a killer ROM and had all the features I needed. I've tried some of these new KK roms and theyre either too much, or too vanilla. All the OP's say they're starting clean. I'm sure someone will tell me "Learn how to build your own if you don't like it" but does anyone know if/when the devs plan to start incorporating features back? I hope no one takes offense to this, as that is not my intention. I'm just trying to understand why this happened. Was it like this when ICS and JB came out?

I agree with you...

Just ask google for a refund
Sent from **Nexus 5 sucks**

I think streamlined is the term you are searching for. I've been using Android for quite some time now and lightweight is what I prefer. Plus, it's inevitable to have a little more functionality with custom ROMs.
Not trying to offend, but it sounds to me like you haven't been around Android for very long if you weren't around for the ICS to JB update. So with that, I'm glad you're on board. So sit back, relax, and enjoy your amazing phone that has a pure Android experience.
Keep flashing and I'm certain you'll find the perfect fit for you.
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IrocD said:
does anyone know if/when the devs plan to start incorporating features back?
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When they feel like it, or install the xposed framework and some of its modules.

"Why this happened?" Probably because the phone has been available for barely over a month. Nothing "happened." I've never seen so much development on a new phone in such a short period of time. Jeez.

Just wait...
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All devs on all devices start by making the base as stable as possible first. Only THEN do the features get added in.
Remember, this is a Nexus device. It is the first device to receive kitkat. It takes time for devs to build features back in to a new base. They don't just "slot in". They need to be amended, debugged and sometimes completely re-written
You're an early adoptor of the nexus. ALL brand new devices takes time to develop for. But imagine you buy the next HTC device released in 6 months time with kitkat... cm devs have been working with kitkat sources for 7 or 8 months by that time. The features will almost just "slot in" but on a brand new base, it takes a lot of time. Im not sure you really do appreciate the hard work involved
Its also worth noting, cm's feature set is identical across all kitkat builds on all devices. Its only the device tree that varies
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The phone and 4.4 are brand new. Slim and CM are developing their Roms. Patience is virtue.
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To everyone who wrote a useful, non-sarcastic response, thank you. You answered my questions. To the jerks, I have one word. Karma.

I am on the stock rom and I have nearly all the features and tweaks that custom roms have.
Just install xposed framework and gravitybox module and you should be alright. You can download more modules depending on your needs.
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Try Slim rom, they have a good amount of added features now.
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The CM features are coming, don't worry! Then AOKP will be up, and then AOSPA, then you won't know what to do with yourself! It just takes a bit for the developers to redo features for the brand new version of Android. We've been a bit spoiled in that the transition from the Jellybean 4.x.x updates weren't terribly hard to push code up for, but KitKat has a lot more going on under the hood.
Edit: and if you recall how CM6 and CM7 looked, the streamlined look also makes for a MUCH easier UI, vs the clutter that kinda existed in the froyo and GB days.

IrocD said:
To everyone who wrote a useful, non-sarcastic response, thank you. You answered my questions. To the jerks, I have one word. Karma.
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You have to understand that the devs here aren't getting paid for what they do. They have jobs and lives outside of Android development, and they do this in their spare time for free. For you to pop in and start a thread in the forums for a brand-new phone basically saying "hey guys, why aren't you developing more" comes off as kind of rude. You're new here so I'm sure that wasn't your intention, but you have to understand that some patience is required with a brand-new phone and a brand-new version of Android. I'm amazed at the amount of development that we already have, to be honest.

All you need is Xposed and Gravity Box. I'm running stock rooted with those two, and I got my Rom exactly how I like it.
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maxpower7 said:
You have to understand that the devs here aren't getting paid for what they do. They have jobs and lives outside of Android development, and they do this in their spare time for free. For you to pop in and start a thread in the forums for a brand-new phone basically saying "hey guys, why aren't you developing more" comes off as kind of rude. You're new here so I'm sure that wasn't your intention, but you have to understand that some patience is required with a brand-new phone and a brand-new version of Android. I'm amazed at the amount of development that we already have, to be honest.
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Can you please point me to where I said they should do something faster? Because frankly, I'm not seeing it. In fact, I specificially said that I appreciate the hard work that goes into them. All I was asking, was to be educated on why all the roms were starting clean. It seems some people understood this, and offered relevant responses while others simply flamed. It's no wonder that people get a bad taste of these forums with the way they get treated, when they simply asked a question and even carefully worded it so as not to be offensive or greedy.
When we went from ICS to JB, it wasn't like this. Devs didn't 'start fresh' like this. So clearly something DID happen, i.e. a change of some kind, that led them to do what they are doing. And all I wanted was to be educated on what that was! Not once did I say that these hard working people with lives who do this for FREE should do it FASTER. But people, who are possibly only semi-literate, immediately assume that someone is saying what they are clearly NOT saying. Is it boredom that leads people to jump on someone in a forum for no reason? Either say something constructive and don't be a warmonger, or move on.

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All you need is Xposed and Gravity Box. I'm running stock rooted with those two, and I got my Rom exactly how I like it.
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Thank you for your concise and constructive answer. From what I'm reading, I think you've led me in the right direction.

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The CM features are coming, don't worry! Then AOKP will be up, and then AOSPA, then you won't know what to do with yourself! It just takes a bit for the developers to redo features for the brand new version of Android. We've been a bit spoiled in that the transition from the Jellybean 4.x.x updates weren't terribly hard to push code up for, but KitKat has a lot more going on under the hood..
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THIS WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR!! THANK YOU!! What a simple answer, that was not negative in any way, that told me what I was looking for. Thank you for not being insulting, and just telling me that it was easier to do JB updates than KK. So like I said, something was different about KK that made it more difficult to code for. Thank you for keeping in the spirit of constructively helping others.

IrocD said:
Thank you for your concise and constructive answer. From what I'm reading, I think you've led me in the right direction.
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I also like the Cataclysm ROM, very "stock-ish" with good features.

Gravity box is a great module. Many of us use it
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Always very difficult to find stable version of SuperSU

Hello.
While I very much appreciate the utility of this free app, it is extraordinarily difficult to ever find the current stable version of the app.
Thanks.

openletter said:
Hello.
While I very much appreciate the utility of this free app, it is extraordinarily difficult to ever find the current stable version of the app.
Thanks.
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As with most of your posts, this can be answered by using the search function of XDA as well as Google would answer your questions. Stable versions will me marked stable and others will say alpha, beta, wip, ...etc. Even looking in the specific thread for your device should point you to the current working version for your divice/ROM.
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mattzeller said:
As with most of your posts, this can be answered by using the search function of XDA as well as Google would answer your questions. Stable versions will me marked stable and others will say alpha, beta, wip, ...etc. Even looking in the specific thread for your device should point you to the current working version for your divice/ROM.
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It sounds you are the standard community regular who has at in no time within recent years ever tried to find the current stable version of SuperSU. You just assume that everyone in existence should automatically know to come to the XDA Developers forum.

Unfortunately, I have very low Internet points, so you and everyone else can safely ignore everything I type here, because the only thing I do have is a credit card, it will never be used to help anyone with SuperSU.

openletter said:
It sounds you are the standard community regular who has at in no time within recent years ever tried to find the current stable version of SuperSU. You just assume that everyone in existence should automatically know to come to the XDA Developers forum.
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Whenever I flash a ROM I usually make sure root is the most current, especially if I am running systemless root. It can easily be downloaded from his site or from is threads here on XDA. So that makes your statement at best completely false and at worst rude.
I don't expect someone new to know everything, but what is expected in this community is to follow the rules. One of which is to use the search function before starting a thread. Especially on a topic that is universal to most phones, thus discussed at great length.
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Unfortunately, I have very low Internet points, so you and everyone else can safely ignore everything I type here, because the only thing I do have is a credit card, it will never be used to help anyone with SuperSU.
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Quite honestly no one cares about your credit card. People don't develop and mod on XDA for a profit, they do it for fun/experience/because they can. Makes you sound like an angry child when you threaten to "take your ball and go home"
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Yeah, don't know why I bothered to try and communicate that people NOT IN THE XDA FORUMS have a really hard time finding the latest stable version. Certainly a concept you cannot grasp.

And I do wonder why so many devs in other forums kindly ask for donations. I guess all those thousands of dollars I've spent for over-priced T-shirts, coffee mugs, and stickers that never even get applied to anything aren't appreciated by anyone, because they are just doing it all for charity.
Go pollute some different thread with you hate.

openletter said:
Yeah, don't know why I bothered to try and communicate that people NOT IN THE XDA FORUMS have a really hard time finding the latest stable version. Certainly a concept you cannot grasp.
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It can be found on Chainfire's website, completely separate from XDA.
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openletter said:
And I do wonder why so many devs in other forums kindly ask for donations. I guess all those thousands of dollars I've spent for over-priced T-shirts, coffee mugs, and stickers that never even get applied to anything aren't appreciated by anyone, because they are just doing it all for charity.
Go pollute some different thread with you hate.
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On XDA, people don't ask for donations, they make it if people want to donate they can.
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Not completely clear your involvement with SuperSU, but you seem to speak for them, and none of them are saying otherwise. The money I contributed to developers and projects were all completely voluntary. It's really amazing I have to spell that out for you. I won't contribute one penny to SuperSU, unless someone from there wants to denounce your claim to speak for them.

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Not completely clear your involvement with SuperSU, but you seem to speak for them, and none of them are saying otherwise. The money I contributed to developers and projects were all completely voluntary. It's really amazing I have to spell that out for you. I won't contribute one penny to SuperSU, unless someone from there wants to denounce your claim to speak for them.
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I am not affiliated with supersu an any way, and you will not get a response from them in any fashion since you are being an idiot. I've told you how to find what you are looking for, so quit acting like a crybaby.
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Go into the SuperSu Forum, they have a bunch of pinned threads, the one below is the most recent and stable. I haven't bothered to read this thread as it looks like it went into a **** fest, and glancing over no-one gave you a good direction to have a look at.