This is more of a hardware issue, yet maybe there's somebody who has a clue. So, recently my dear Xperia SP has experienced some severe drops and has not taken it like a hero. Sometimes (randomly) image on the screen gets stuck and unresponsive, followed by all kinds of odd stuff (color changes, lines, stuck pixels, you name it) or it becomes blank and unresponsive, even though the phone itself works (can receive calls, music in background is still playing).
I am no longer covered by warranty, so please do not suggest bringing it to service center. I would just like to hear an opinion what might be the actual problem - screen connector, screen itself, motherboard, maybe something else? I am not looking for a free diagnostics either, just trying to understand if it is something I could fix myself at home eventually.
iirisa said:
This is more of a hardware issue, yet maybe there's somebody who has a clue. So, recently my dear Xperia SP has experienced some severe drops and has not taken it like a hero. Sometimes (randomly) image on the screen gets stuck and unresponsive, followed by all kinds of odd stuff (color changes, lines, stuck pixels, you name it) or it becomes blank and unresponsive, even though the phone itself works (can receive calls, music in background is still playing).
I am no longer covered by warranty, so please do not suggest bringing it to service center. I would just like to hear an opinion what might be the actual problem - screen connector, screen itself, motherboard, maybe something else? I am not looking for a free diagnostics either, just trying to understand if it is something I could fix myself at home eventually.
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Based on the symptoms given, it could be the screen connector
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Based on the symptoms given, it could be the screen connector
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I see. I'll try to get a hand on a screwdriver small enough to disassemble the phone. Thank you for your opinion, I appreciate.:good:
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I only discovered the touchscreen issue yesterday doing the test of the other thread. So, i would like to every z1 owner to answer this pool to know how bad things are and if we can try to find a solution, since i think Sony won't.
So, please answer the poll and post any useful information. I'll start.
My phone model is C6943, I currently don't use case and I'm using a screen protection. I can do the xperia touchscreen test without touching the phone body without problem and also doesn't have problem with pattern password.
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I only discovered the touchscreen issue yesterday doing the test of the other thread. So, i would like to every z1 owner to answer this pool to know how bad things are and if we can try to find a solution, since i think Sony won't.
So, please answer the pool and post any useful information. I'll start.
My phone model is C6943, I currently don't use case and I'm using a screen protection. I can do the xperia touchscreen test without touching the phone body without problem and also doesn't have problem with pattern password.
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Pool? I think you mean "poll"
My 6902 is completely screwed. At first I used a screen protector and the problem wasn't too bad. Then I removed it when I took the phone in to get another issue fixed and soon after that the problem got very bad. I was traveling so couldn't go back to the service center. Now it's a bit better, randomly works and randomly doesn't. When I was home in cold weather though it seemed a lot worse than it is now that I'm back in India where it's warm. Not sure if temperature is a factor, or could be conscience. But a few weeks ago it was so bad you couldn't type even a two letter word using Swype.
Also, I now have a part of my screen in the form of a horizontal line where touch doesn't work at all. No single touch and no drag. Completely dead. Taking it to the service center soon.
You should vote on the first option, then
Guys, check my post "News from whats is causing touch screen problem" to see if is your case!
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Guys, check my post "News from whats is causing touch screen problem" to see if is your case!
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It's not.
I got problem unlocking with patterns, scrolling pages and when I play some games after few minutes it stop working so I voted the first option. My phone is back to Sony, I hope they know what to do and at last it's Made in China.
Please, post if you use case and screen protections too. This could help understanding the problem.
Additional data : Z1 is being handled in a leather case, back and screen protector removed ( not the one with the logo, the plastic ones that makes your camera blurry )
Touchscreen problem seen in the game Alien Shooter, after some playing, the touch screen becomes less and less responsive ( i tap a button to shoot and use some onscreen joystick to move ) - both become unresponsive/less responsive as you play and the phone gathers some heat ( you can feel the touchscreen becoming hotter )
i have a simple tpu case, i had a bit of problem when playing all touch-based games (not ones with gyro like asphalt).
ever since i got the case it's better, i have the ASF and nillkin matte screen protector
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Please, post if you use case and screen protections too. This could help understanding the problem.
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I did not use any case just a chip screen protector. Anyway on a good healthy touch screen the screen protector should not influence the touch screen respond.
Hey guys, I have also this touchscreen issue, and I would appreciate if you give a feedback about warranty service, if sony accepted the problem and replaced a touchpanel or not, and also if the replaced touchscreen is better or not. I´m also thinking about sending it back for warranty repair.
I have also found that my phones touch screen is temperature sensitive, when it get cold or warm it just refuses to detect touch actions. Try it yourself put the phone into cold/hot water for 5 second, take it out, quickly clean the display from water and test the touchscreen. I first tought this behavior is normal and I didn´t cared until I started to play games. After 15minutes of playing the touchscreen bug every time appears. But also after a while its randomly disappears. So this thing is strange. (the bug appears identically also when I have my phone in a plastic case)
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Hey guys, I have also this touchscreen issue, and I would appreciate if you give a feedback about warranty service, if sony accepted the problem and replaced a touchpanel or not, and also if the replaced touchscreen is better or not. I´m also thinking about sending it back for warranty repair.
I have also found that my phones touch screen is temperature sensitive, when it get cold or warm it just refuses to detect touch actions. Try it yourself put the phone into cold/hot water for 5 second, take it out, quickly clean the display from water and test the touchscreen. I first tought this behavior is normal and I didn´t cared until I started to play games. After 15minutes of playing the touchscreen bug every time appears. But also after a while its randomly disappears. So this thing is strange. (the bug appears identically also when I have my phone in a plastic case)
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For me the warranty worked perfectly, i changed the phone 3 times until get a working one, i called Sony, discribed my problem and they changed for me, only 2 days for the change. BUT i recorded the problem and sent to them, so they accept the change.
Vippo321 said:
Hey guys, I have also this touchscreen issue, and I would appreciate if you give a feedback about warranty service, if sony accepted the problem and replaced a touchpanel or not, and also if the replaced touchscreen is better or not. I´m also thinking about sending it back for warranty repair.
I have also found that my phones touch screen is temperature sensitive, when it get cold or warm it just refuses to detect touch actions. Try it yourself put the phone into cold/hot water for 5 second, take it out, quickly clean the display from water and test the touchscreen. I first tought this behavior is normal and I didn´t cared until I started to play games. After 15minutes of playing the touchscreen bug every time appears. But also after a while its randomly disappears. So this thing is strange. (the bug appears identically also when I have my phone in a plastic case)
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Same here. I sent my phone back last week to the store where I bought it 2 months ago. They will send the phone to Sony Center but the time for repair or replace the device will not be 2 or 3 days but from 2 weeks to no eta. When the phone will come back to the store they will send the phone to me. I will post if the problem persist or not.
The problem is if they return a phone with the same problem.
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The problem is if they return a phone with the same problem.
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They should be aware about this issue even on the new device so at this time they probably will check that but if they return a phone with the same problem, I will send it back again like many did. Someone had to replace the phone 3 times and I will do the same.
IYeah, you will be a long time without your phone though. I think I'll wait a bit since i rarely get the error and actually only when i try to reproduce it. How bad was yours?
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IYeah, you will be a long time without your phone though.
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What I can do, I want a fully working Z1, I paid for it.
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I think I'll wait a bit since i rarely get the error and actually only when i try to reproduce it. How bad was yours?
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I was able to reproduce the problem in many ways, Touch Screen Test, Opening the phone with Patterns, Scrolling Pages or with Launcher instead of switch the page it was opening the applications and at last when I was gaming at one point the touch stopped working and I had to wait, so this made my mind to send it back. On daily use was all ok but in some circumstances was frustrating.
i had the problem with cm11. and when I retored to stock then the problem was gone:S
I'm on stock and I got the problem.
Today for the first time I got the problem when writing on handrite. So I thought about using my phone warranty to get anotehr one. But it don't always fails when i do the method to reproduce it. So, how do you test if your new phone is working and how do you prove that it isn't? I mean what if i take the phone to warranty and it works?
And for you who already changed phone, it is working?
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'm on stock and I got the problem.
Today for the first time I got the problem when writing on handrite. So I thought about using my phone warranty to get anotehr one. But it don't always fails when i do the method to reproduce it. So, how do you test if your new phone is working and how do you prove that it isn't? I mean what if i take the phone to warranty and it works?
And for you who already changed phone, it is working?
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For me after the 3rd change is working now, here is what i did: i recorded the error and send it togheter with the phone. They saw the video and changed imediately.
Sent from my C6943 using xda app-developers app
Did youu made the method to reproduce and it didn't failed? For how long do you have the 3rd phone?
Hello lovely people of XDA.
Both my wife and me have the Z1, i for my part have experienced screen self cracking and now she is experiencing touch malfunction.
It acts out from time to time, making typing a pain in the a** and playing games even more dificult.
F.ex. if she presses the F key, it registers the D etc.
Ive made a video of this availible here:
http://youtu.be/McGnrGfVpq8 (Sorry about the music, but there was too mutch background noise).
This happens on the home screen, during Candy Crush(yeah i know) and during texting.
Ive repaired the phone twice(previous and newest firmware) via Sony PC Software and still its no good.
It even acted out on the first boot.
Has anyone ever seen anything like this?
Can't seem too find any solution.
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Hello lovely people of XDA.
Both my wife and me have the Z1, i for my part have experienced screen self cracking and now she is experiencing touch malfunction.
It acts out from time to time, making typing a pain in the a** and playing games even more dificult.
F.ex. if she presses the F key, it registers the D etc.
Ive made a video of this availible here:
http://youtu.be/McGnrGfVpq8 (Sorry about the music, but there was too mutch background noise).
This happens on the home screen, during Candy Crush(yeah i know) and during texting.
Ive repaired the phone twice(previous and newest firmware) via Sony PC Software and still its no good.
It even acted out on the first boot.
Has anyone ever seen anything like this?
Can't seem too find any solution.
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Theres a well documented thread about touchscreen issues, I myself was one of the people it affected, your problem sounds slightly different.
The method to test was put the phone on a flat surface and make contact with the screen, move around and if you notice a break in contact then you more than likely have the bug.
Holding the metal frame of the phone in your hand eradicated the issue for some (me included) but it was certainly a pain.
My problem went away on it's own but some weren't so lucky.
Have a search for the thread in here, it's more than likely still active.
If nothing helps from that thread then it's more than likely a case of doing a warranty repair. (if it's the same issue)
Hello there and thank you for your reply.
As it seems to me there has been no solution to the problem, ive tried holding the phone without a case and the problem persist.
People are talking about the new update fixing it, but ive tried both updating and reseting the phone so that did not do anything.
It seems like the only thing to do is to send it in for a warranty repair.
With my self cracking the workshop told me that some of the frames where faulty placed in the factory and therefore might crack the screen after a long time under pressure.
Perhaps this is related somehow, though it feels and looks like a software bug.
Thank you for your reply, i'll be sure to keep a look out on that thread. (i found it now, but i could not find it before i posted this :S)
Thanks again
The kitkat update was rumored to remedy these touch screen issues. Have you updated? My C6906 was giving me occasional touch screen issues but they are non-existent after updating.
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Yes i have installed Kit Kat, seemed to help at first but started acting out again the same day.
I even did a factory reset with newest firmware downloaded through PC Companion.
I'll keep looking around and post my findings.(If any)
Update:
So we both sent our phones to the service center and sold them right afterwards. Could not find a solution for the problem and the service center ended up replacing my handset and my wifes screen.
I now have a Nexus 6(it's so fantastic!) and she has an iPhone6 plus(Blaaarh...)...
Hello, I tried alot and hopefully someone can help me at my problem.
Mx Xperia Z had a water damage. At disassembling and cleaning the phone with isopropanol I scratched both data cables.
The phone is working again (everything) but now I have one problem. The screen is flickering at some colors at some spots as seen on the picture.
I think its because scrachting the data cables. Does someone knows for sure or with a high possibility what exactly could it be - Am I right with the data cable and what can I do?
I couldnt get the cable without display and just want my phone back 100% to work.
I would be really happy and thankful for some purposeful tips or especially for the final tip what can help me.
Best wishes
lerush from germany
ps. As seen in the pictures. Its not in every color and not in every position of the screen. The flickering is a combination of color and location on the display.
pps. The flickering is sometimes getting stronger or lesser strong depends on the pressure on the phone / backplate. I´m nearly 100% percent sure it´s the data-cable. I added last picture after prssing backplate back on the phone. What can I do with the datacable? - Is it the datacable?
i do have same problem....no a single reply to this problem....did u got any solution for this problem plz reply
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Hello, I tried alot and hopefully someone can help me at my problem.
Mx Xperia Z had a water damage. At disassembling and cleaning the phone with isopropanol I scratched both data cables.
The phone is working again (everything) but now I have one problem. The screen is flickering at some colors at some spots as seen on the picture.
I think its because scrachting the data cables. Does someone knows for sure or with a high possibility what exactly could it be - Am I right with the data cable and what can I do?
I couldnt get the cable without display and just want my phone back 100% to work.
I would be really happy and thankful for some purposeful tips or especially for the final tip what can help me.
Best wishes
lerush from germany
ps. As seen in the pictures. Its not in every color and not in every position of the screen. The flickering is a combination of color and location on the display.
pps. The flickering is sometimes getting stronger or lesser strong depends on the pressure on the phone / backplate. I´m nearly 100% percent sure it´s the data-cable. I added last picture after prssing backplate back on the phone. What can I do with the datacable? - Is it the datacable?
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You damaged lcd flex cable (the black one on the right side) while removing your battery. I think that you don't have many options, you must change that cable (complete lcd). You can try with adding some thin tape on that scratch, and try with reconnecting that flex cable (see if the connectors on the mbo r damaged). Good luck bro.
the same problem with Z1
Hi,
i have the same problem but with Z1. I replaced display with touchscreen and i can see the same effect of flickering, stretching.
In my case, when phone is working longer I have more flickering, up to the moment when i can not see anything. The back side of phone is getting warm (around NFC logo). Also i got more flickering when on screen are pictures, icons with high resolution. Simple text are almost always clear.
Is it possible, that other thing than lcd cable is the problem?
My doubt is warming of the phone and that i got more flickering with time.
Also supplier wrote to me , that they check every single part before sending. I can not notice any visual signs of damage.
beejay77 said:
Hi,
i have the same problem but with Z1. I replaced display with touchscreen and i can see the same effect of flickering, stretching.
In my case, when phone is working longer I have more flickering, up to the moment when i can not see anything. The back side of phone is getting warm (around NFC logo). Also i got more flickering when on screen are pictures, icons with high resolution. Simple text are almost always clear.
Is it possible, that other thing than lcd cable is the problem?
My doubt is warming of the phone and that i got more flickering with time.
Also supplier wrote to me , that they check every single part before sending. I can not notice any visual signs of damage.
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I have the exact same problem, I replace a broken screen and have the same symptoms than yours. Did you find a solution?
new part
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I have the exact same problem, I replace a broken screen and have the same symptoms than yours. Did you find a solution?
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Suplier send to me new part. It was working good.
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Suplier send to me new part. It was working good.
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I changed the screen for a new one, now is working great. Thanks!
Hello,
I bought a used Z1 almost a year ago. Everything was working perfectly, I was very content with my purchase but I broke the display shortly after. I got it changed at a local repairman but ever since then, my screen acts weirdly.
1. When I use the phone for 10-15minutes, it gets a little warm and so do my fingers and then the touchscreen starts acting weird and pressing stuff on its own. If I lock/unlock it, the problem is solved.
2. Same thing happens when the phone is turned sideways for a few minutes and when I flip it vertically, the touchscreen starts acting weird. Lock/unlock fixes the issue again.
The fact that lock/unlock fixes it leads me to believe that it's not a hardware problem. I started a research and found this topic - https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2691849 , however it's a bit outdated and is already edited saying not to try the fix. I'm not proficient enough at this so I cannot really grasp the idea behind the topic mentioned earlier and can't get myself to try it cause it might brick my phone or something.
Any suggestions would be helpful.
Regards:good:
sorry to say you friend but it's a hardware problem it's something related whut the screen contrast I've tried everything the only thing left it's to get an original screen replacement and I haven't been able to get one in my country
Generic Screen, that's the problem, i would never recommend to buy a "new" screen, always buy an used one or a phone with broken motherboard and swap them imo
tbh, your problem is weird to, may be a bad installation, i had the same problem in a z1 that i use for games, disassembly all the phone and now I'm using the screen without gluing to the base and the problem was "solved"
Hey guys
I have a very strange problem with my Huawei P10
About 2 weeks ago, I noticed that two purple horizontal stripes are appearing in a 3-4sec sequence
Normally, I would immediately ask for a repair, but there's a thing which persecutes me: it only happens when I don't touch the screen for longer than 3-4sec
When there's a continuous contact with the screen (e.g when writing a message) nothing happens, everything is fine and dandy, but whenever I leave the screen for itself for 3 or more seconds (e.g when watching a movie), the stripes start to appear every few seconds, and continue until the screen goes dark or until I touch it again, but after touching it it still takes only a few seconds for the stripes to sequentially flicker again
Here's what I've tried so far (no result):
- safe mode
- factory reset
- cache partition wiping
- cord input deep clean
What may be the reason?
Hey.
It's 100% a board or Display issue. send it for repairs. but i believe maybe you've dropped ur phone. Anyways Huawei knows better.
Erfan_rv said:
Hey.
It's 100% a board or Display issue. send it for repairs. but i believe maybe you've dropped ur phone. Anyways Huawei knows better.
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It's quite complicated
I once dropped it, but even after that, the previous LCD worked fine, there were no errors other than broken glass, so I guess we could exclude a board issue and lean toward your second option, as now that the LCD has been replaced, the fault occurs
What's more, I noticed that if I press the Home Key, and then put my finger in the bottom right corner and hold it, I can still use the whole LCD space without the flickering (I need to press the Home Key first so that it works after I hold my finger in the corner)
It's like the LCD needs to be in contact with your finger all the time to avoid that, which has led me to an idea: would a tempered glass solve that maybe?
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It's quite complicated
I once dropped it, but even after that, the previous LCD worked fine, there were no errors other than broken glass, so I guess we could exclude a board issue and lean toward your second option, as now that the LCD has been replaced, the fault occurs
What's more, I noticed that if I press the Home Key, and then put my finger in the bottom right corner and hold it, I can still use the whole LCD space without the flickering (I need to press the Home Key first so that it works after I hold my finger in the corner)
It's like the LCD needs to be in contact with your finger all the time to avoid that, which has led me to an idea: would a tempered glass solve that maybe?
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I can't really answer for sure but i believe if there's a Huawei service center in your city and you try to fix ur broken huawei, your wasting your time. Whatever solution u apply on ur phone its just gonna be temporary since u hide your problem and not solved it.
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I can't really answer for sure but i believe if there's a Huawei service center in your city and you try to fix ur broken huawei, your wasting your time. Whatever solution u apply on ur phone its just gonna be temporary since u hide your problem and not solved it.
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I still think (or should I say believe ) that there's a solution which doesn't involve another screen replacement
As for your "temporary solution" mention, I guess if I found one, it wouldn't be temporary, since the fault doesn't progress, it's been the same for a month or so when it first occured, which gives me another reason not to replace the screen and keep looking for other possibilities
I don't need a Huawei service center, I can replace the LCD myself (didn't do that the first time though), but it still involves spending money, whereas I've been looking for unpaid solutions the whole time; getting a new LCD is an extremity
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I still think (or should I say believe ) that there's a solution which doesn't involve another screen replacement
As for your "temporary solution" mention, I guess if I found one, it wouldn't be temporary, since the fault doesn't progress, it's been the same for a month or so when it first occured, which gives me another reason not to replace the screen and keep looking for other possibilities
I don't need a Huawei service center, I can replace the LCD myself (didn't do that the first time though), but it still involves spending money, whereas I've been looking for unpaid solutions the whole time; getting a new LCD is an extremity
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You can ask them to diagnose it and tell you about problem noone makes you pay for a lcd. And after reading your message over and over (And since i repair TVs and everything with electronics inside) i think it also can be your touch or display controller ic. Mostly it could be from touch ic since screen works fine while its in touch with something. But someone has to try your lcd or mb on a healthy one to make sure. which you can't do nothing like that. or do you?
@fengels did You bought original lcd, where can I buy it in good price?
I know this problem from older galaxy series like s5. The fix for this most of the time was disable auto brightness or higher the brightness on auto brightness. Don't know if this is the same problem, but it could be a try. Also don't know which cause this strange problem. Hope it can help you
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I know this problem from older galaxy series like s5. The fix for this most of the time was disable auto brightness or higher the brightness on auto brightness. Don't know if this is the same problem, but it could be a try. Also don't know which cause this strange problem. Hope it can help you
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No, it's a different problem, in the galaxy series the whole screen would flicker, whereas in my P10 it's only 2 horizontal stripes appearing in a 4-5 sec sequence whenever I leave the screen untouched for longer than 5sec
Playing around with the brightness doesn't solve that unfortunately, actually no in-device settings do, as I've tried almost every single option which is screen-related, like switching the eye comfort mode on, but still no result
The main reason why I'm still looking for an unpaid solution is that apart from this one error, the phone is like brand new, everything works fine
ok, so if I understad the problem shows up after you replaced the LCD display? So do you really think is more software related than hardware? I personally would send it to diagnose and repair.
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ok, so if I understad the problem shows up after you replaced the LCD display? So do you really think is more software related than hardware? I personally would send it to diagnose and repair.
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The thing is it didn't show up immediately, I had used the phone for some time with no errors before it first occured
Also, since the new LCD was set, I haven't done any physical damage to it, I've never dropped or sunk the phone
Since you guys mostly advise me to send it, I guess that's what I will have to do
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The thing is it didn't show up immediately, I had used the phone for some time with no errors before it first occured
Also, since the new LCD was set, I haven't done any physical damage to it, I've never dropped or sunk the phone
Since you guys mostly advise me to send it, I guess that's what I will have to do
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While you were replacing screen, did you turn your device off and disconnect the battery? and i think cleaning all cables coming from LCD and related sockets on motherboard can help. Use thinner or alcohol and if you wanna use thinner be careful so it wouldn't touch anything except golden contacts. Thinner is dangerous and affects ur phone color and plastic parts.
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While you were replacing screen, did you turn your device off and disconnect the battery? and i think cleaning all cables coming from LCD and related sockets on motherboard can help. Use thinner or alcohol and if you wanna use thinner be careful so it wouldn't touch anything except golden contacts. Thinner is dangerous and affects ur phone color and plastic parts.
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I did turn the device off, but I didn't take the battery off, since it's strongly glued to the phone's body, and I didn't want to damage it
Anyway, could not taking the battery off really be the reason?
As for cleaning, I did it by simply blowing out all the potential dirt, I'm inexperienced in thinner and alcohol cleaning
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I did turn the device off, but I didn't take the battery off, since it's strongly glued to the phone's body, and I didn't want to damage it
Anyway, could not taking the battery off really be the reason?
As for cleaning, I did it by simply blowing out all the potential dirt, I'm inexperienced in thinner and alcohol cleaning
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I am not sure butbon some phones it damages screen. I've seen this on laptops. But anyways its done. Open ur phone and use alcohol. put 2 drops of alcohol on each socket and flat cable connectors and brush it with a soft brush. u don't want to bent any golden contact. It's last thing u can do to fix it without paying for hardware related stuff.
Erfan_rv said:
I am not sure butbon some phones it damages screen. I've seen this on laptops. But anyways its done. Open ur phone and use alcohol. put 2 drops of alcohol on each socket and flat cable connectors and brush it with a soft brush. u don't want to bent any golden contact. It's last thing u can do to fix it without paying for hardware related stuff.
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Well, will definitely try it then, but what alcohol? Does it need to be something specific?
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Well, will definitely try it then, but what alcohol? Does it need to be something specific?
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Just regular alcohol that drug stores sell. for using on injection. sorry my English is awful.