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[Q] USA Unlocked vs AT&T version

Hey guys - I currently own the One on AT&T and am loving it so far.
Are there any advantages to owning the AT&T version vs the USA unlocked version from HTC?
I'm thinking of returning the AT&T one and getting the unlocked version mainly so I can get HTC updates directly from HTC rather than waiting for AT&T to roll them out.
Both have LTE bands for AT&T, so that's not an issue.
Any reason why I should keep the AT&T one instead of the unlocked?
Thanks in advance.

The AT&T version has a fantastic logo on the back of the phone.
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Also with the AT&T version you might have to wait an extra day to get a flashable ROM of the latest OTA
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flooty333 said:
Hey guys - I currently own the One on AT&T and am loving it so far.
Are there any advantages to owning the AT&T version vs the USA unlocked version from HTC?
I'm thinking of returning the AT&T one and getting the unlocked version mainly so I can get HTC updates directly from HTC rather than waiting for AT&T to roll them out.
Both have LTE bands for AT&T, so that's not an issue.
Any reason why I should keep the AT&T one instead of the unlocked?
Thanks in advance.
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Since you can unlock the bootloader via htcdev and then load whatever rom you want it's probably not worth the hassle and restocking fee. Although I have the dev version it remains to be seen how htc will update this device or at what frequency. An update is already out for the international phones that has yet to make it to the dev. edition. I'm keeping mine stock for now, but may go the customer route at some point. Either version is a great phone.

If you would rather stay stock and still get the latest updates, get the unlocked or developer edition. If you don't mind unlocking your bootloader and flashing an RUU or custom ROM each time an update is released by HTC, stick with the AT&T version.

bugsy said:
Since you can unlock the bootloader via htcdev and then load whatever rom you want it's probably not worth the hassle and restocking fee. Although I have the dev version it remains to be seen how htc will update this device or at what frequency. An update is already out for the international phones that has yet to make it to the dev. edition. I'm keeping mine stock for now, but may go the customer route at some point. Either version is a great phone.
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At least the unlocked and dev editions are already running a version of the 1.29 firmware though. The AT&T variant is still on 1.26, two major versions behind (1.26 -> 1.28 -> 1.29).

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At least the unlocked and dev editions are already running a version of the 1.29 firmware though. The AT&T variant is still on 1.26, two major versions behind (1.26 -> 1.28 -> 1.29).
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I've flashed 1.29 so could you please elaborate on what's considered "major" about 1.29 vs 1.26?
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Camera is better. There are bluetooth fixes. Speakers can no longer go as loud (not all changes are necessarily positive depending on your point of view).
Search XDA. These changes have already been well discussed.
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shook187 said:
I've flashed 1.29 so could you please elaborate on what's considered "major" about 1.29 vs 1.26?
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Strictly talking about the build number, 1.26 vs. 1.29 is major, whereas 1.29.xxx.3 vs. 1.29.xxx.13 is minor. Right now the AT&T version isn't far behind, but wait until something like 1.50 or whatever Android 4.2 corresponds with comes out and the AT&T version is left running 1.26 unless you unlock and ROM.

bugsy said:
Since you can unlock the bootloader via htcdev and then load whatwill rom you want it's probably not worth the hassle and restocking fee. Although I have the dev version it remains to be seen how htc will update this device or at what frequency. An update is already out for the international phones that has yet to make it to the dev. edition. I'm keeping mine stock for now, but may go the customer route at some point. Either version is a great phone.
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Thanks guys.
Are they updating the USA 32gb unlocked at the same frequency as the 64gb dev version? or will they update the 32gb the same time they update intl phones.
Also, if I flash new roms as they come out through the hacker channels, will I need to reinstall everything from scratch for each Rom upgrade?
Thanks again.

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flooty333 said:
Thanks guys.
Are they updating the USA 32gb unlocked at the same frequency as the 64gb dev version? or will they update the 32gb the same time they update intl phones.
Also, if I flash new roms as they come out through the hacker channels, will I need to reinstall everything from scratch for each Rom upgrade?
Thanks again.
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Also consider this, the developer edition comes with NO ATT BLOATWARE.
I have the 64 mb developer edition, just installed Visual Voice mail, LTE speeds are incredible,
and the IMEI was able to be used for the ATT network. This is as close to perfect
as you can get! Incredible piece of hardware.
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flooty333 said:
Hey guys - I currently own the One on AT&T and am loving it so far.
Are there any advantages to owning the AT&T version vs the USA unlocked version from HTC?
I'm thinking of returning the AT&T one and getting the unlocked version mainly so I can get HTC updates directly from HTC rather than waiting for AT&T to roll them out.
Both have LTE bands for AT&T, so that's not an issue.
Any reason why I should keep the AT&T one instead of the unlocked?
Thanks in advance.
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Unless you're looking to get the phone subsidized, I see no reason to buy the AT&T model over the unlocked or developer one.

Only reason I can think of is dealing with AT&T for warranty issues is easier and faster than HTC.

I got the HTC unlocked 32GB version direct from HTC (arrived early...it was backordered and I paid for 2-day but HTC upgraded it to 1-day delivery. They shipped Saturday and I got it Monday).
What I noticed (coming from previous AT&T Note 2, S3 and Infuse) on AT&T...
1) no AT&T bloatware (as others have mentioned)...I was shocked how few apps were actually "running"...just a handful. I liked it.
2) tethering (no rooting required) for my occasional use of my iPad mini while on the road.
3) LTE is extremely fast compared to my Samsung's but not sure if that is a unlock versus AT&T issue?? Previously I just assumed LTE coverage was poor in my home. But with the HTC One it screams. Really surprised.
that's it.
So far I have avoided rooting since I want to become familiar with stock Sense, etc...then decide how much I want to play. I do expect to root eventually but stick to the popular stock-like roms (personally can't stand the CM's, etc.)

Gsm dev edition vs T-Mobile version?

Any difference at all besides colors and 32gb? T-Mobile is unlockable.
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phositadc said:
Any difference at all besides colors and 32gb? T-Mobile is unlockable.
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The Dev edition says developer edition in the back.

The T-Mobile version is carrier locked though, right?

mattcoz said:
The T-Mobile version is carrier locked though, right?
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Nope. Popped in an ATT sim and it ran just fine.
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TooSlo said:
Nope. Popped in an ATT sim and it ran just fine.
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Oh, ok then, thanks. I was considering getting the DE today, but I think I'll wait a little bit to see if T-Mobile gets customization any time soon. I don't really like the white back, really worried it would get disgusting after a while, and my Sprint contract goes through next month anyway.

mattcoz said:
Oh, ok then, thanks. I was considering getting the DE today, but I think I'll wait a little bit to see if T-Mobile gets customization any time soon. I don't really like the white back, really worried it would get disgusting after a while, and my Sprint contract goes through next month anyway.
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Will probably get the GSM DE and if they release moto maker to the other carriers within 30 days I'll probably return it for a moto maker .
Anyone know if there are any radio differences between the GSM DE and T-mobile versions?

Droyyd said:
Will probably get the GSM DE and if they release moto maker to the other carriers within 30 days I'll probably return it for a moto maker .
Anyone know if there are any radio differences between the GSM DE and T-mobile versions?
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Unfortunately the only rumors I've heard have said November for Moto Maker on other carriers, so that would be more than 30 days. That might be a good idea for me when my contract is up next month though.

[Q] T-MO (N900T) or Intl. (N9005) ? for use on AT&T

I understand that the T-Mo version has its many advantages of having its unlocked bootloader, DEV support, SIM unlock, etc...
Price point aside, are there any major advantages/disadvantages between purchasing the T-Mo(N900T) or the Intl version (N9005)?
Every stat comparison seems to be similar, ROM support and all the freq bands are there.
Looking for some definitive answers from the community before spending big bucks on a new unit.

Jayster0966 said:
I understand that the T-Mo version has its many advantages of having its unlocked bootloader, DEV support, SIM unlock, etc...
Price point aside, are there any major advantages/disadvantages between purchasing the T-Mo(N900T) or the Intl version (N9005)?
Every stat comparison seems to be similar, ROM support and all the freq bands are there.
Looking for some definitive answers from the community before spending big bucks on a new unit.
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You wont get LTE with the international version

barondebxl said:
You wont get LTE with the international version
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I must be missing something then. According to the description on NegriElectronics it shows one model (N9005) as a 32g LTE model?

Jayster0966 said:
I must be missing something then. According to the description on NegriElectronics it shows one model (N9005) as a 32g LTE model?
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Yes, check the 4G LTE bands

barondebxl said:
Yes, check the 4G LTE bands
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Got you. DUH Thanks for pointing that out. :silly:

Jayster0966 said:
I understand that the T-Mo version has its many advantages of having its unlocked bootloader, DEV support, SIM unlock, etc...
Price point aside, are there any major advantages/disadvantages between purchasing the T-Mo(N900T) or the Intl version (N9005)?
Every stat comparison seems to be similar, ROM support and all the freq bands are there.
Looking for some definitive answers from the community before spending big bucks on a new unit.
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TMO for me and working flawlessly.

Earthdog said:
TMO for me and working flawlessly.
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On my way to the T-MO store then. :fingers-crossed:
Just so I get this straight,
1. Purchase the N900T.
2. Purchase a $10 or $20 SIM card. (then insert it and use the phone) Required?
3. Bring it home and use the service on CellUnlocker.net
4. Wait for the unlock codes then ENJOY! (Change APN settings)
Optional;
Follow the rooting/recovery guides in the T-Mo thread.

If you buy the phone outright tmo will unlock it for you
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agent929 said:
If you buy the phone outright tmo will unlock it for you
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They do it after 45 days. Just asked a tmo corporate store today.
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Jayster0966 said:
Got you. DUH Thanks for pointing that out. :silly:
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Lol no worries. Just get the T-mobile version and you'll be just fine. I unlocked mine for cellunlocker.net ( well technically i havent unlocked it yet as i am waiting for my note 3 to be delivered but i got the unlock code ready to go).

I walked into a T-Mobile store day after they released the phone. Bought it full retail without purchasing a plan or a sim. Went home and unlocked it using cellunlocker. Now I am using it on AT&T with LTE. Also rooted and a custom rom is installed.
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GallardosEggrollShop said:
I walked into a T-Mobile store day after they released the phone. Bought it full retail without purchasing a plan or a sim. Went home and unlocked it using cellunlocker. Now I am using it on AT&T with LTE. Also rooted and a custom rom is installed.
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How's your experience with the device? How's your LTE speeds? Is the phone getting very hot?

GallardosEggrollShop said:
I walked into a T-Mobile store day after they released the phone. Bought it full retail without purchasing a plan or a sim. Went home and unlocked it using cellunlocker. Now I am using it on AT&T with LTE. Also rooted and a custom rom is installed.
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Thanks for the update on that. You did not have to put a T-Mo SIM first? I thought that was required for the region unlock issue?
How are the actual LTE speeds? Others have mentioned a drop in speeds due to AT&T not giving top priority to the T-Mo IMEI.
barondebxl said:
How's your experience with the device? How's your LTE speeds? Is the phone getting very hot?
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+1 on this question. How is the signal strength as well compared to a true AT&T phone in the same area?

Galaxy Note 3 Active
I was in the T-Mo store today looking at the Note 3. Ready and willing to go ahead and pull the trigger, then the rep says they are all out of the white one. They will have more in by the end of the week. Then mentions, they do have some at another store about 5 miles away though. He looks at me looking all disappointed and says, have you heard the rumor about the N3 active? No, I said. He says, if you can wait to get a new phone you might want to read up as it looks like Samsung is going to be going ahead with the release very soon.
http://androidcommunity.com/samsung-galaxy-s5-and-galaxy-note-3-active-models-tipped-20131007/
Now so confused, I think I have to wait and see what developes.

mehdi_s82 said:
They do it after 45 days. Just asked a tmo corporate store today.
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That's compete crap. I can't believe they would do that to you. I was under the impression they had to if you bought it outright. Perhaps you'll have to get an unlock code elsewhere.
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Im confused
I'm on net10 using att network in the US and contacted negri about a n900t they are selling but in the notes on their website it says for international use only.. I thought the n900t was t-mobile version in the US? I asked them about it and they said it will not work in the US. I am confused?

AShort said:
I'm on net10 using att network in the US and contacted negri about a n900t they are selling but in the notes on their website it says for international use only.. I thought the n900t was t-mobile version in the US? I asked them about it and they said it will not work in the US. I am confused?
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It's because their stock of N900T's have been blacklisted by US carriers. Meaning they were obtained from the gray market. T-Mobile and AT&T have a database of IMEI's that are blocked from their network.

N900T vs N900A
I was reading the thread and was wondering why folks would prefer to buy the N900T vs N900A (especially when they are planning to use if for AT&T and will be required to unlock immediately)? Is there hardware/software advantages for the N900T over the N900A?

I'll add my 2 cents on this. I had originally purchased the T-Mobile variant (N900T) of the Note 3. I loaded up a custom rom and it was perfect. Shortly after that, I noticed my LTE signal (not HSPA) would be very low (-110dbm) in areas where my AT&T branded phones would sit on -94dbm. I flashed back to stock and noticed the same thing. Overall, LTE reception on band 17 on the N900T was very poor. Its probably because the N900T isn't optimized to use Band 17. Using the device with T-Mobile service, I had no LTE issues.
Now using the N900A for AT&T and get great LTE reception.

A buddy of mine has also noticed the TMO Note3 gets a lower reception when compared to my ATT note3. We are both on ATT as well.
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[Q] TMobile or AT&T (No US)

Hello,
I did some research recently, and this caused a little bit of confusion, so I'll post a quick question:
I'm trying to buy this phone on ebay (since I don't have a US CC card), which one should I get, the T-Mobile or AT&T version?
Requirements:
- to unlock it for Europe GSM
- install CyanogenMod
As of now I was going for the T-Mobile, since I've read it's easier to unlock the bootloader, but now I see that the CM is only for AT&T phones? Or am I mistaking?
Thanks!

It doesn't matter any more. When you purchase from the Moto web site you ask for the GSM version. There is no more differentiation between the T-Mo and AT&T versions. You'll get the XT1053, the former T-Mo version.
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scottjb said:
It doesn't matter any more. When you purchase from the Moto web site you ask for the GSM version. There is no more differentiation between the T-Mo and AT&T versions. You'll get the XT1053, the former T-Mo version.
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Any source confirming this?
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scottjb said:
It doesn't matter any more. When you purchase from the Moto web site you ask for the GSM version. There is no more differentiation between the T-Mo and AT&T versions. You'll get the XT1053, the former T-Mo version.
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Are you sure about this? Cause if you look it up, everyone is saying that the T-Mobile bootloader can be unlocked, and the AT&T can not.

RenSoAbrupt said:
Any source confirming this?
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Yes, me. I bought a T-Mobile Moto X in November and had to choose my carrier. I bought another Moto X last week and there was no carrier selection, I only had to choose between GSM and CDMA. Both times I received an XT1053 with a T-Mobile SIM in it.
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TheSaw said:
Are you sure about this? Cause if you look it up, everyone is saying that the T-Mobile bootloader can be unlocked, and the AT&T can not.
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I have no knowledge of the bootloader situation, only my experience with the purchases as noted above.
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As far as AT&T bootloader goes it is still not unlockable. When it will be? Nobody really knows if Motorola is going to add it to its Unlock program.

scottjb said:
It doesn't matter any more. When you purchase from the Moto web site you ask for the GSM version. There is no more differentiation between the T-Mo and AT&T versions. You'll get the XT1053, the former T-Mo version.
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Appears they still technically differentiate between the versions, but are upfront about the T-Mobile version working with either carrier.

larry62 said:
Appears they still technically differentiate between the versions, but are upfront about the T-Mobile version working with either carrier.
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Yes, it does. Looks as if they changed it again. I didn't get that selection panel when I bought one a week ago. I guess you can still get the XT1058 model for AT&T. However, if I were buying one I'm not sure why I would order the AT&T model over the GSM model based on the description. I would get the XT1053 anyway.

scottjb said:
Yes, it does. Looks as if they changed it again. I didn't get that selection panel when I bought one a week ago. I guess you can still get the XT1058 model for AT&T. However, if I were buying one I'm not sure why I would order the AT&T model over the GSM model based on the description. I would get the XT1053 anyway.
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Maybe they were temporarily sold out of the AT&T model? There is some LTE band on the AT&T model not available on the XT1053, but if I remember that band isn't used currently by AT&T in the USA anyways. People might also want all that wonderful added value bloatware software not on the XT1053 and have the inconvenience safety of a locked SIM.

larry62 said:
...People might also want all that wonderful added value bloatware software not on the XT1053 and have the inconvenience safety of a locked SIM.
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Hmm...good points. :/ I'll take my chances without the software and lock.

[Q] Will the firmware update be pushed down to user on MVNO?

I no longer have an account with AT&T, I am on PureTalk which is one of AT&T's MVNO. Will OTA update be available to me when it becomes available to AT&T users?

uat1 said:
I no longer have an account with AT&T, I am on PureTalk which is one of AT&T's MVNO. Will OTA update be available to me when it becomes available to AT&T users?
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Nope. Only a postpaid AT&T sim. Even my AT&T prepaid service tab 4 didn't get the last OTA. Gonna have to hope someone makes a safestrap for L and a flashable. I'm in the same boat with all my devices. Won't ever go postpaid again but then lose the option of any OTAs.

uat1 said:
I no longer have an account with AT&T, I am on PureTalk which is one of AT&T's MVNO. Will OTA update be available to me when it becomes available to AT&T users?
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I'm on StraightTalk's AT&T sim and have received all ota's.

Can't you use Kies to do the upgrade?
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muniz_ri said:
I'm on StraightTalk's AT&T sim and have received all ota's.
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Me too! I bought my gs5 outright from at&t store about a month ago, inserted my straight talk sim, created a new apn, and Ota updated from 4.4.2 to 4.4.4... pre4speed, could u elaborate a little? Are u still on 4.4.2?

muniz_ri said:
I'm on StraightTalk's AT&T sim and have received all ota's.
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DMF1977 said:
Me too! I bought my gs5 outright from at&t store about a month ago, inserted my straight talk sim, created a new apn, and Ota updated from 4.4.2 to 4.4.4... pre4speed, could u elaborate a little? Are u still on 4.4.2?
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That is interesting. I wonder if st has a contract with AT&T? Would make sense, but I don't get them, never have with aio (when it started) and now cricket even tho they are owned by AT&T. And like I said even my prepaid AT&T data only plan on my tab 4 hasn't gotten the OTA to 4.4.4. Hmm, wonder what's up with THAT. lol
Yes DM, I'm still on 4.4.2 on this S5 (insight program) my beloved Note 3 and my tab 4, all prepaid mvno thru AT&T.
I'm wondering how this will work when L comes around since I don't get them, but will need the firmware for any ROM. @muniz_ri will you be updating safestrap and make a 4 part flashable again? Or even a full ODIN?