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Hi all,
I know the N4 has enough source code in AOSP and elsewhere to be able to build an AOSP ROM, but it doesn't quite seem "official" and doesn't offer that undeniable security of "Nexus support" that many have come to know and love. Now, I know people have said it's due to the Qualcomm chip being so new that it would take time to officially work it in, and that it'll likely come around with 4.2.2. Even still, I'm paranoid (just having bought an N4 myself). Is anyone else worried about the N4's future? Or is it just buyer's paranoia?
I'd love to hear some thoughts on this!
Just paranoid, you can't build a fully working Nexus 7 ROM solely from AOSP either, thanks to Tegra.
Rusty! said:
Just paranoid, you can't build a fully working Nexus 7 ROM solely from AOSP either, thanks to Tegra.
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I figured that it was just that. But I suppose I was just seeking some reassurance haha. Between the recent articles on LG only making "as many Nexus 4's as they want," the speculations going around about the Nexus 5, and this lack of any word on AOSP support, I just got awfully scared that the Nexus 4 might be one of those devices that isn't around and supported for very long.
Speculations....Don't you love them when device is new...
Give it another month or two and everything will go back to "normal", just like with any other device.
undercover said:
Speculations....Don't you love them when device is new...
Give it another month or two and everything will go back to "normal", just like with any other device.
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Haha I know, I know. But this was a big buy for me; relatively expensive and I'm ditching VZW for it. I'm just worried that I'll regret it later on, I guess.
andoird213 said:
Haha I know, I know. But this was a big buy for me; relatively expensive and I'm ditching VZW for it. I'm just worried that I'll regret it later on, I guess.
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Learn to support yourself?
If you are relying on others to satisfy your purchase, well sooner or later you'll be in an unsupported boat.
tweaked said:
Learn to support yourself?
If you are relying on others to satisfy your purchase, well sooner or later you'll be in an unsupported boat.
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I've built AOSP for it myself, that isn't the issue; it's a more general statement. I'm not relying on anyone for satisfaction, but there's a certain plus to being in a larger community rather than in one where it's only a few who feel stuck with the device.
andoird213 said:
I've built AOSP for it myself, that isn't the issue; it's a more general statement. I'm not relying on anyone for satisfaction, but there's a certain plus to being in a larger community rather than in one where it's only a few who feel stuck with the device.
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Thats true. This is the nexus. I think you are ok there.
tweaked said:
Thats true. This is the nexus. I think you are ok there.
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Here's to that!
Now, don't get the wrong idea. I'm not asking or demanding for ROMs or what have you. More like where are the developers. Are people not digging this phone and refusing to move over to it? Or is this thing off to a really slow start?
Again, I'm not asking for ETA, ROMs, mods, anything of that sort. Just wondering what the state of the g920t is in the developer realm.
If there is anything I would LOVE an ETA for or any information on for that matter is Cyanogenmod 12 lol I'm a CM head. Ran it exclusively on my S4 so I feel very out of place being stuck on Touchwiz. Although I must admit it's grown on me and is worlds better than past versions.
H3adru5H said:
Now, don't get the wrong idea. I'm not asking or demanding for ROMs or what have you. More like where are the developers. Are people not digging this phone and refusing to move over to it? Or is this thing off to a really slow start?
Again, I'm not asking for ETA, ROMs, mods, anything of that sort. Just wondering what the state of the g920t is in the developer realm.
If there is anything I would LOVE an ETA for or any information on for that matter is Cyanogenmod 12 lol I'm a CM head. Ran it exclusively on my S4 so I feel very out of place being stuck on Touchwiz. Although I must admit it's grown on me and is worlds better than past versions.
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The development on the aosp side of things has been really quiet, probably because they don't want to get peoples' hopes up. If you bought this device expecting to get cm12, it might not be a realistic expectation
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The development on the aosp side of things has been really quiet, probably because they don't want to get peoples' hopes up. If you bought this device expecting to get cm12, it might not be a realistic expectation
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Completely understandable. And yea I did buy this phone expecting CM12. I've owned every Galaxy S phone except the 3 and 5 and had CM on every one of them. What I didn't know was the dislike for Exynos that exists among developers.
Hopefully this will change but you know what, Touchwiz is good enough to hold me over If nothing happens by the time jump comes back around I'll most likely drop this phone and jump over to the HTC One. Yes I love AOSP that much lol If it weren't for the Nexus 6 being so damn huge i'd be on that right now.
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Completely understandable. And yea I did buy this phone expecting CM12. I've owned every Galaxy S phone except the 3 and 5 and had CM on every one of them. What I didn't know was the dislike for Exynos that exists among developers.
Hopefully this will change but you know what, Touchwiz is good enough to hold me over If nothing happens by the time jump comes back around I'll most likely drop this phone and jump over to the HTC One. Yes I love AOSP that much lol If it weren't for the Nexus 6 being so damn huge i'd be on that right now.
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It's because exynos isn't open source, which gives the developers nothing to go on so they have to reverse engineer everything. It's not about hate, it's about documentation
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H3adru5H said:
Completely understandable. And yea I did buy this phone expecting CM12. I've owned every Galaxy S phone except the 3 and 5 and had CM on every one of them. What I didn't know was the dislike for Exynos that exists among developers.
Hopefully this will change but you know what, Touchwiz is good enough to hold me over If nothing happens by the time jump comes back around I'll most likely drop this phone and jump over to the HTC One. Yes I love AOSP that much lol If it weren't for the Nexus 6 being so damn huge i'd be on that right now.
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If you were surprised about the lack of Exynos dev support, then you obviously did not do your homework before buying. Yes, there have been prior Exynos devices that (eventually) got CM, but it took many months of hard work and reverse engineering. You should never EVER buy a Samsung device with the expectation of having CM on it later (especially if it has Exynos). Die hard CM fans should stick with Nexus because those devices will always be the first to get CM. If you can't stand Touchwiz or any of the TW-based custom roms that are available, then you might as well sell your S6 now while you can get the most money for it.
The new Nexus coming out in November looks promising. Suppose to come in 2 sizes by 2 different makesr, one size I'm interested in is the smaller 5.4" model. I'll keep this S6 till then and Jump when the Nexus 5 2015 is available.
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Being a CM fan too, i think this device has a lot of potential with touchwiz based rom. Many contributors are working hard to bring fixes where samsung failed to deliver!
roger1955 said:
The new Nexus coming out in November looks promising. Suppose to come in 2 sizes by 2 different makesr, one size I'm interested in is the smaller 5.4" model. I'll keep this S6 till then and Jump when the Nexus 5 2015 is available.
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Same here. I was planning to get the OnePlus Two, but not if it has SD810. I'll wait for a small Nexus.
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If you were surprised about the lack of Exynos dev support, then you obviously did not do your homework before buying. Yes, there have been prior Exynos devices that (eventually) got CM, but it took many months of hard work and reverse engineering. You should never EVER buy a Samsung device with the expectation of having CM on it later (especially if it has Exynos). Die hard CM fans should stick with Nexus because those devices will always be the first to get CM. If you can't stand Touchwiz or any of the TW-based custom roms that are available, then you might as well sell your S6 now while you can get the most money for it.
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Yes I made this clear above. I've never owned an Exynos device, so I made the leap assuming it would have CM support just like every other Galaxy S I've owned. Also I am a die hard AOSP fan but I've always preferred Galaxy S features like SAMOLED and external SD so I've always gotten a GS and called it a day. As I said earlier, the Nexus 6 is just too large so that's out of the question.
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Yes I made this clear above. I've never owned an Exynos device, so I made the leap assuming it would have CM support just like every other Galaxy S I've owned. Also I am a die hard AOSP fan but I've always preferred Galaxy S features like SAMOLED and external SD so I've always gotten a GS and called it a day. As I said earlier, the Nexus 6 is just too large so that's out of the question.
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Get the g4.
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ambervals6 said:
Get the g4.
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NO. I despise LG. I used to own a G2x. Never trusted LG after that mess.
H3adru5H said:
NO. I despise LG. I used to own a G2x. Never trusted LG after that mess.
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I can understand your hesitation after the G2x but LG has come a long way. They still have a horrid UI but that's why we have custom ROMs. They still have snapdragon, as well. Not to mention some amazing hardware. Right up there with any other manufacturer (yes even considering their plastic back version...who doesn't use a case anyway) That all being said...I'm still getting the next Nexus lol LG and Sammy have some incredible features that aren't available in CM but stock Android is just too smooth
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Get the g4.
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Locked bootloader.
ambervals6 said:
Get the g4.
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masri1987 said:
Locked bootloader.
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Also unless something changed there isn't a "safe" way to root the g4.
ThePagel said:
Also unless something changed there isn't a "safe" way to root the g4.
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The only change is LG released unlock bootloader tool for int'l non-carrier versions only.
So given that, i think we are on the best option (and i'm saying that coming from a Note 4)
I think there are Fans who just like CM or AOSP because of the look and feel aspect of stock. I can understand, but as stated in a number of statements here, there are some awesome aspects and hardware features with stock TW that will indeed be lost CM or AOSP - Big example are camara features to name one.
Now if you follow the theme section you will see there is a way to get stock material look - now mix it with Nova launcher you are GOLDEN..it will hold me over...
Every day when I login to the forums I see either another AOSP/CM rom or nothing new. Being a long time Nexus fanboy, I find it really odd that this device doesn't have any ports of third party UIs. I mean, the Nexus 5 has MIUI, FlymeOS, Ubuntu Touch, SailFish, and more. I always thought that was the coolest thing about Nexus devices, we always got the latest and greatest Android software and the Devs would port over so many good UIs because of how easy it was to port to a Nexus device.
Are there any devs working on any ports at all?
Do you as N6 users want to see more ports, even if it's not a daily driver but for the fun of trying something different for a change?
Yeah I'd love some love from miui and flume.
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Yeah I'd love some love from miui and flume.
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Always wanted to try the latest MIUI V6 which was merged with Lollipop earlier this year, and Flyme OS which hit the Nexus 5 after I left the device. Honestly I just like to mix it up a bit even if the experience is not as grand as stock.
most nexus modders use nexus devices not for porting, as porting generally brings instability, but for the stability of using aosp. every other device has to "port" aoap over, which reduces the stability. nexus devices dont have to port it over. if you are so interested in running a port, why dont you port something over. you will realize that it is by far not easy work, and you will spend all your free time on it, without ever getting paid for your work. enjoy
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most nexus modders use nexus devices not for porting, as porting generally brings instability, but for the stability of using aosp. every other device has to "port" aoap over, which reduces the stability. nexus devices dont have to port it over. if you are so interested in running a port, why dont you port something over. you will realize that it is by far not easy work, and you will spend all your free time on it, without ever getting paid for your work. enjoy
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Interesting, I'm not a Dev, but I always thought it was easier to port to Nexus devices since they are always running stock and not locked down like most other devices.
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Interesting, I'm not a Dev, but I always thought it was easier to port to Nexus devices since they are always running stock and not locked down like most other devices.
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port, to a device it doesnt belong on.. being a nexus has nothing to do with it. a nexus has an unlockable bootloader and is easy to root, thats it. drivers to get things running right on the n6 are not open source, they need to be written from scratch to get any os to work with our hardware and cpu.
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port, to a device it doesnt belong on.. being a nexus has nothing to do with it. a nexus has an unlockable bootloader and is easy to root, thats it. drivers to get things running right on the n6 are not open source, they need to be written from scratch to get any os to work with our hardware and cpu.
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Would the drivers from the Nexus 5 help at all in that regard?
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Would the drivers from the Nexus 5 help at all in that regard?
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no. drivers arent for nexus devices, they are for our specific hardware. thats why a nexus 6 can not run kitkat, drivers for a nexus 6 for kitkat do not exist(actually they do, but never were released by google).
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no. drivers arent for nexus devices, they are for our specific hardware. thats why a nexus 6 can not run kitkat, drivers for a nexus 6 for kitkat do not exist(actually they do, but never were released by google).
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Drivers were never brought over? Well that would be a problem. Cool, thanks for the feedback.
As @simms22 stated, parting correctly is very difficult from one device to another, regardless of which device you have. They generally need many dirty hacks and are seldom stable.
I think overall on nexus devices, interest in ports is waning, so there is little to encourage someone to do it.
As an idea of difficulty, the moto x pro, which is pretty similar to the nexus 6 still hasn't been ported, and they've been trying.
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As @simms22 stated, parting correctly is very difficult from one device to another, regardless of which device you have. They generally need many dirty hacks and are seldom stable.
I think overall on nexus devices, interest in ports is waning, so there is little to encourage someone to do it.
As an idea of difficulty, the moto x pro, which is pretty similar to the nexus 6 still hasn't been ported, and they've been trying.
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partially, at least :angel:
Has anyone seen a Moto X pure ROM port for Nexus 6? I've looked everywhere, nothing shows up.
A port of a rom from a device that nobody even has yet? That would be impressive.
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Its completely different hardware. People could not even port the Moto X Pro to the Nexus 6 and those are the same device.
This is not ever going to happen.
knitler said:
Its completely different hardware. People could not even port the Moto X Pro to the Nexus 6 and those are the same device.
This is not ever going to happen.
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Never say never in the android world. If miui, flyme, and other different os can be ported over to different phones then it is possible. Just gotta have the right amount of interest
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Never say never in the android world. If miui, flyme, and other different os can be ported over to different phones then it is possible. Just gotta have the right amount of interest
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Don't have Mui yet and have no clue what Flyme even is. So have a long wait coming unless you got a dev in your pocket.
There was a thread a while back where a few users were trying to port the OS from the Moto X Pro, but there didn't seem to be much interest in it so it died.
Since the Moto X Pure is running proprietary closed source software, on completely different hardware, I bet that there won't be a ROM port. Some apps maybe, but definitely not a full ROM. Very rarely do full closed sourced ROMs get ported between devices. And even when they do, there often are issues (performance or things just not working).
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Has anyone seen a Moto X pure ROM port for Nexus 6? I've looked everywhere, nothing shows up.
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Jeez, dude. The X Pure hasn't even been RELEASED yet. Patience.
I heard the ROM for Moto X Pure is pretty awesome. In the past, ROMs have leaked from devices when the device isn't even out. I don't know why there is a surprise I asked this? I just thought someone had more info then others. We will wait and see if anyone does decided to do something with it.
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I heard the ROM for Moto X Pure is pretty awesome. In the past, ROMs have leaked from devices when the device isn't even out. I don't know why there is a surprise I asked this? I just thought someone had more info then others. We will wait and see if anyone does decided to do something with it.
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I agree! I would like to see this ROM and use some of the Moto apps on the N6.
So, it's quite possible that our much beloved Nexus 5 doesn't receive final Android N, afterall.
In that case, I was wondering it anyone would be interested in providing a custom N build, with no changes, compared to Google's own build.
I mean, ODEX, non-zipaligned, no root, nothing. Just stock like stock Google software.
I'd pay for this.
Is it possible for someone to create a ZIP that can be sideloaded in the default recovery?
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I'd pay for this.
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Me either. Still can't believe Google is not showing any love to Nexus 5 anymore.
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So, it's quite possible that our much beloved Nexus 5 doesn't receive final Android N, afterall.
In that case, I was wondering it anyone would be interested in providing a custom N build, with no changes, compared to Google's own build.
I mean, ODEX, non-zipaligned, no root, nothing. Just stock like stock Google software.
I'd pay for this.
Is it possible for someone to create a ZIP that can be sideloaded in the default recovery?
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When the final release is out, it's pretty safe to say that someone will make a build for the Nexus 5. Until then, there is nothing devs can do right now. Google currently doesn't have everything available to do so.
Yes, I know.
I'm talking about the future, after N is uploaded to AOSP.
I know there will be lots of ROMs, but I just wanted stock Google software, no root, theme, anything.
Basically, an unofficial Google OTA.
I'm willing to pay for this, and I can gather many people to join this cause.
probably Google will release android N to Nexus 5, but its the last official release to it. Just like Nexus 4 on Lollipop era, was pretty the same thing.
How is that surprising they want you to buy the next device so if they drop support look at it this way you can always install a ROM and I'm confident you will see something up fast
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Salo-S said:
probably Google will release android N to Nexus 5, but its the last official release to it. Just like Nexus 4 on Lollipop era, was pretty the same thing.
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Nop, Google won't release the Android N for Nexus 5, as they dropped the support for newer releases in October 2015. But of course that as soon as the source code is out we'll get the update because the devs will take care of that
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Nop, Google won't release the Android N for Nexus 5, as they dropped the support for newer releases in October 2015. But of course that as soon as the source code is out we'll get the update because the devs will take care of that
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Since you aren't clairvoyant I'll wait to see. The N7 2013 got MM but if you go by the date listed on googles site they stoped officially supporting it in July of 2015. And if not, eh.. There will be tons of N roms once its released. Most likely day one.
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Since you aren't clairvoyant I'll wait to see. The N7 2013 got MM but if you go by the date listed on googles site they stoped officially supporting it in July of 2015. And if not, eh.. There will be tons of N roms once its released. Most likely day one.
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True though xD
Looks like afterwards I have reason
We all know there will be lots of ROMs.
But the purpose of this thread, is to get to know if any developer would like to provide a stock "Google" equivalent, for those that want their N5 to feel like it's been updated by Google itself.
I'll sure try, especially if there is money on the line lol
I won't make any promises, but I'll gladly take a look when the source gets out if I still have the device.
I've been reading stuff on Reddit, and many people would appreciate this "Google experience" ROM.
http://www.xda-developers.com/google-publishes-end-of-life-for-nexus-devices/
It's officially over for us. It's up to the devs now.
ast00 said:
http://www.xda-developers.com/google-publishes-end-of-life-for-nexus-devices/
It's officially over for us. It's up to the devs now.
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No it is not officially over, nothing on that page confirms it is officially over. Only the ''Guaranteed" support is over for the Nexus 5.
That doesn't mean it won't get Android N, I think the chance for a official release of Android N for the N5 is really small but there's still a chance it will get it.
Till the final release of Android N is out no one knows anything for sure if it comes to the future of the N5.
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We all know there will be lots of ROMs.
But the purpose of this thread, is to get to know if any developer would like to provide a stock "Google" equivalent, for those that want their N5 to feel like it's been updated by Google itself.
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Isn't this Vomer's thing? He still around on the N5?
RoyJ said:
Isn't this Vomer's thing? He still around on the N5?
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Don't know this guy.
But whoever is willing to do this, I could gather some people to pay for it.
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Don't know this guy.
But whoever is willing to do this, I could gather some people to pay for it.
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I know he used to do it for the N5, pretty sure I've seen his builds for a few other phones as well. That was his thing. When a new Android OS comes out he usually releases a stock / AOSP build. Non rooted, no mods, etc. I'm not sure if he's still around though, but it can't hurt to ask.
@vomer
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We all know there will be lots of ROMs.
But the purpose of this thread, is to get to know if any developer would like to provide a stock "Google" equivalent, for those that want their N5 to feel like it's been updated by Google itself.
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Looking at the history of ROMs in the past here on XDA, there is usually always someone who ports a pure AOSP build with no mods. I wouldn't worry about it much. Especially this early.
I hope so.
Not really into modding/rooting/whatnot.
A stock Google-ish ROM for me, and I'll be happy.
Dont worry man.. Nexus 5 is still pretty popular phone and dev friendly so IMHO you shouldn't be worried at all.. There is i believe 99% chance u will have Android n, just be patient for a couple of months when the Android n will be officially released
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