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Hi,
I've had Samsung's for quite a while. The S2, the S3, and I currently have the Note 2.
There are a few reasons that I'm thinking of swapping my Note 2 for an Xperia Z. One of them is due to the size. Like I fool, I never actually used the Note 2 before I bought it, and I'm finding it a bit too big (if that's possible!) in certain situations. I held a non working dummy XZ the other day, and it felt so much better. Add to that I actually prefer the design of the XZ, and a few of the features like being water resistant, etc.
So, I've been doing a lot of research online, and sometimes the Note 2 comes out on top, and others the XZ. I thought I might ask some questions and for some advice, and see what people have to say.
1. The MAIN thing that is holding me back at the moment is the display. I see that the XZ has a higher resolution screen, however I can see on most of the videos and reviews online that the colour looks really washed out when compared to the Note 2 (and other Amoled displays). My question is, if anyone has gone from the Note 2 or similar to the XZ, is it really noticeable? And whilst this might seem like a bit of a weird question, but are there any apps that can 'increase the saturation', etc? I know on the Note 2 there are actually settings on the phone for different display/colour modes.
EDIT: I have read on a few blogs that there might be an update coming with something called White Balance. Does this make much of an improvement? And I assume it affects the display as a whole, not just when viewing pics, etc?
2. Battery Life. I know the Note 2 has a bigger battery. I'd say that if I heavily use my Note 2, it's normally at about 20-30% in the evenings when I go to bed. How do people find the battery life?
3. Widgets - I use widgets a lot. On the Sony, can you still place widgets that are part of downloaded apps? For example, I have a downloaded clock on my Note 2 that also adds widgets to the phone. I'm assuming as they are both Android that the XZ will have this too, but wanted to make sure there weren't any restrictions that Sony had implemented to stop this.
4. In some of the reviews, they have mentioned issues with call quality, wifi signal, over heating, crashes, etc. The reviews have mainly been from just after the phone was launched, so I'm not sure if perhaps there may have been updates since then? But has anyone had any of these issues?
Any advice on the above would be very gratefully received!
First of all, welcome to the xz subforum let's see if I can answer you some questions.
1) I don't think the screen is washed out but it's different than Amoled screen with tend to have more vibrant/over saturated colours but you will get used to it unless you keep comparing them. But the bravía engine will add that saturation you might miss from Amoled screen (for now bravía engine only works on gallery and movies app). Have into account that the rom theme is dark grey not black because it might make you think it doesn't display good blacks but it's just the theme.
White balance changes the tint of the screen ie if you think it's too red or green you can correct it.
2) Right battery life on screen time is not the best for now in stock you will get around 4-5 on screen time. Time will tell if ROMs/kernels can improve that. But stand by battery is Great, some people have reported around 6 days with light usage. So the biggest drain is from screen usage but it gets compensated by the off screen battery consumption.
3) I don't think there is any problem with the widgets unless they have a dependence with a different launcher than stock android.
4) I haven't had a crash yet, wifi signal is alright, I find antenna signal quite good, I does heat a bit but as any new Quad core does and glads doesn't propagate heat that much so it's more concentrated on the CPU zone, it's nothing worrying it's just warm.
All and all I find it a great device, obviously there is always room but improvements but give it time let's see what our developers can improve or sony itself.
At the end of the day is your device and no one can decide for you.
I hope I helped you a bit more to decide and if you have any other questions don't hesitate to ask here.
Sent from my C6603 using xda premium
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First of all, welcome to the xz subforum let's see if I can answer you some questions.
1) I don't think the screen is washed out but it's different than Amoled screen with tend to have more vibrant/over saturated colours but you will get used to it unless you keep comparing them. But the bravía engine will add that saturation you might miss from Amoled screen (for now bravía engine only works on gallery and movies app). Have into account that the rom theme is dark grey not black because it might make you think it doesn't display good blacks but it's just the theme.
White balance changes the tint of the screen ie if you think it's too red or green you can correct it.
2) Right battery life on screen time is not the best for now in stock you will get around 4-5 on screen time. Time will tell if ROMs/kernels can improve that. But stand by battery is Great, some people have reported around 6 days with light usage. So the biggest drain is from screen usage but it gets compensated by the off screen battery consumption.
3) I don't think there is any problem with the widgets unless they have a dependence with a different launcher than stock android.
4) I haven't had a crash yet, wifi signal is alright, I find antenna signal quite good, I does heat a bit but as any new Quad core does and glads doesn't propagate heat that much so it's more concentrated on the CPU zone, it's nothing worrying it's just warm.
All and all I find it a great device, obviously there is always room but improvements but give it time let's see what our developers can improve or sony itself.
At the end of the day is your device and no one can decide for you.
I hope I helped you a bit more to decide and if you have any other questions don't hesitate to ask here.
Sent from my C6603 using xda premium
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That's very much appreciated, thank you very much! You may well have made my decision easier
I agree with wawyed's analysis. I was in market for note 2 esp for all the cool extra software features. But when I compared two working models of note 2 and Xperia z, I couldn't help loving the Xperia z. Btw, the screen of Xperia when compared with note 2 is really well lit and color reproduction is very nice. I am coming from iPhone 4s so a good camera was important for me and I will say Xperia is notches above note 2.
It does get hot but so did my iPhone 4s.
Batterylife is awesome for me.... I have been for 13 hrs and my battery is 53% I spoke for 1 hr, 3g-WiFi on, on screen notification via lockerpro, fb sync, Twitter sync and exchange email on push.
Only phones that I feel might compete with Xperia are galaxy 4 and HTC one.
I simply love almost stock feel of Xperia.
Swraj
Is there a solid comparison of the 3 main OS's, what's the preference and why?
(I've looked and can't really find one)
I'm on Lollipop right now and kind of miss KitKat for some reason.
KK I think was simpler somehow letting it run a bit cleaner without so much background noise yet just as functional as LP and MM, it feels like Sony put more effort into catering KK for the Z3 than LP or MM.
LP seems the most refined and polished, and does have more optimizations, I'm getting great antutu scores with it using slim 4.1 with some additional tweaks.
MM still haven't tried the latest and greatest, still seems like too much work to get it to where I would like it with these half baked releases and problems and functional losses I keep reading about.
I get that with each release most of us get excited (myself included) to try the latest and greatest thinking it's going to be an improvement, but what has actually improved and what has been lost? KK was stable with a few extra audio features had good start-up times and seemed snappier even though Antutu tells me LP is better and then there's Marshmallow...
What's your opinion? Any good threads I missed covering this topic?
scutterflux said:
Is there a solid comparison of the 3 main OS's, what's the preference and why?
(I've looked and can't really find one)
I'm on Lollipop right now and kind of miss KitKat for some reason.
KK I think was simpler somehow letting it run a bit cleaner without so much background noise yet just as functional as LP and MM, it feels like Sony put more effort into catering KK for the Z3 than LP or MM.
LP seems the most refined and polished, and does have more optimizations, I'm getting great antutu scores with it using slim 4.1 with some additional tweaks.
MM still haven't tried the latest and greatest, still seems like too much work to get it to where I would like it with these half baked releases and problems and functional losses I keep reading about.
I get that with each release most of us get excited (myself included) to try the latest and greatest thinking it's going to be an improvement, but what has actually improved and what has been lost? KK was stable with a few extra audio features had good start-up times and seemed snappier even though Antutu tells me LP is better and then there's Marshmallow...
What's your opinion? Any good threads I missed covering this topic?
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I kind of miss KitKat too and I did go back for a while, the reason I came back to MM Concept is because KitKat isn't perfect either. The notifications are miles better on LP and MM.
I agree that KitKat was simpler and Android 4.4.4 is probably my favorite version.
Antuntu and other benchmarks don't mean anything for daily use unless you play 3d games. There are videos on you tube showing that kitkat is faster: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx06yJMVT-U
Faster boot on kitkat was due to Dalvik, since Android 5.0 default runtime is ART. But I don't see why is that important, we don't boot our phone 10 times per day, do we?
I don't think there is a discussion on the forums about this, I would like to se it too but I think that people just jump to latest and greatest software...
Month ago I had Xperia Play wit GingerBread, now I have Z3C wit LP. I've tried LP and MM deeper. It's a big difference from GB. KK is much closer to GB, more "classic Android". Lolipop has much better SystemUI and almost all modifications is for LP. For KK there is only few mods for sound and that's all. I like KK cause backward compatibility too. On newer Android many older games like FIFA 12 are unplayable.
Time for Marshmallow will come in future. Today I don't see any advantage to use Android 6. There are no apps or games requiring it. Almost all apps want max 4.4. Speed or multitasking is in my opinion the same in all of the three versions - honestly Z3C has too much power that few percent in terms of performance is useless. The only reason to use MM is Xperia X camera framework in SLIMM 1.9 ROM (but this version is too buggy) - on the other hand, for Lolipop there are Z5 camera files.
Generaly the best from these three is (in my opinion) Lolipop. It looks nice, it's "reskined" Kittkat with some new and better features, has biggest fan support, it's stable, fast and complete - all features working as they should and nothing is missing. Almost all Xposed modules are compatible or has version that is compatible with Lolipop. Marhsmallow breaks the classic - some features are on different places, are little bit different at all and some of them aren't there completely (stamina - in latest build is only "something" like stamina; Dualshock 3 support and so on). There is to much to improve. Kittkat is for old school users, which want better compatibility with older apps or want to play SHIELD games, cause they don't run on Lolipop or Marshmallow in my case.
I just installed KK for a go, and it's pretty snappy, I don't miss lockscreen notifications from LP because I don't use them. All the functions I use are still there and with Xperia Xposed all the UI tweaks I like are still available. I'm not sure I'll notice an improvement in battery life because it was still pretty good on LP but I'll watch for that as most reports tend to favour KK in this department. I was thinking about what you (Miicheall) said about gaming, and there's this game I've been wanting to try for awhile (Army of Darkness Defence) and could never get it to work on LP, so I just installed it on KK and hey what do you know it works!
I have to correct myself - SHIELD games like Half-Life 2 or Portal are playable on Lollipop - on MM not. Many games working on KK but on higher version not. So good luck and have fun
KK was the best by far for stability, battery life and function - as long as you're ok with the horrid KK restrictions on SD card functionality. I wish I'd stayed on that, and that's after being on LP & MM,.
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KK was the best by far for stability, battery life and function - as long as you're ok with the horrid KK restrictions on SD card functionality. I wish I'd stayed on that, and that's after being on LP & MM,.
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LP Is very stable, battery is great if you decide to take effort and install greenify and limit app permissions and wakelocks. Marshmallow honestly at this point is not that good with most users reporting the Doze feature being somewhat useless
You're having a laugh LP was the worst OS update by Google for some time, it's been beset with nothing but trouble.
I know this is not the norm according to reports but monitoring battery usage with 3c toolbox LP in idle is drawing less ma than KK in idle, both are set up with stamina... same settings with sync, gps, and lte off, about 50% brightness... Go figure. I'm using both with Moly82'm debloated versions for comparison so that could have something to do with it. LP shows about 100 more apps when booting VS moly82's KK version too so that isn't factoring in as an advantage with battery life.
I'm also liking the ability for 32-bit audio output in lollipop which is wonderful and does make an audible improvement with Neutron, Camera mods for lollipop are better as far as I can tell, however now I can't play that Army of Darkness game.
I tried some MM versions and I hate the swipe for app search feature and the mods and tweaks I like aren't there yet so I will continue to wait on that, but it does seem like the smoothest version of all.
They are all giving me problems with the stock email attachment feature, is there something wrong with an update or something?
I held onto KK as long as possible until my phone had to be sent in for warranty due to a speaker failure. The Sony repair center loaded the latest version of LP onto my phone and it was actually bug free (unlike the early versions). However, it never had the battery life of KK. When using the phone, it had the same rate of battery drain as KK, but when idle, it seemed to drain twice as fast as KK. It seemed like Stamina mode in LP only gave me the equivalent battery life of KK without Stamina mode. SO, with KK, I could get 2 days of usage without stamina, and nearly 4 days with it. Both of those numbers were cut in half with LP.
I put up with it for as long as I could though until about two weeks ago. I finally flashed KK onto my phone again and WOW, it is refreshing to no longer worry about my battery throughout the day. Plus, the pull down notification menu in KK is way better! It's so annoying to have to swipe down twice in LP/MM/N. Plus, ticker style notifications are far less intrusive than the banner style in LP/MM/N. Finally, I just like the black background with white text that is displayed in the pull down menu. It seems so much cleaner to me than the grayish-green that LP/MM/N uses.
The one thing I miss about LP is the banner notification for phone calls when you're using the device. KK takes over the whole screen and is very intrusive. I downloaded an app that tries to mimic this LP feature, but it only works 80% of the time. I still plan to stick with KK until I upgrade to a new device in 2017.
techguyone said:
KK was the best by far for stability, battery life and function - as long as you're ok with the horrid KK restrictions on SD card functionality. I wish I'd stayed on that, and that's after being on LP & MM,.
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Which are the sd card restrictions you mentioned?! I'm using my sd card without problems on Kitkat (for a week now) and I do only care about the mass storage mode,a feature that is provided on both KK and MM versions.
kwstas 13 said:
Which are the sd card restrictions you mentioned?! I'm using my sd card without problems on Kitkat (for a week now) and I do only care about the mass storage mode,a feature that is provided on both KK and MM versions.
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Only system apps can write to the external SD card for some reason in KitKat unless you're rooted.
I definitely think KK has the best battery and is the most stable, but I wish there were more (or any, really) camera mods for it. You have to be on at least LP for there to be any decent mods, although I do think KK has the smoothest image stabilization for video recording. However, image quality takes a big hit.
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Only system apps can write to the external SD card for some reason in KitKat unless you're rooted.
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Hadn't mentioned that, guess I don't need this one. Kitkat still runs smoothly by the way.
So given that there are camera mods only for LP and MM - which OS has given you the best battery performance in your experience?
Isn't it worth upgrading to MM just to be sure to have all latest security patches?
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So given that there are camera mods only for LP and MM - which OS has given you the best battery performance in your experience?
Isn't it worth upgrading to MM just to be sure to have all latest security patches?
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For me MM is the way to go, just flash any of custom stock based MM roms and run slimcore debloat, I'm having great battery performance lasting me whole day (i get 4-6h of sof with 70% of that beeing youtube) and it seems like the most fluid and eye pleasing experience, and for camera mods, I would only suggest unlocked camera, others are kinda gimmicky, but best and only way to find out what suits you is to try it yourself, you can see that in this thread only we have a lot of divided opinions.
Good luck
I own both the OnePlus One and the LG G4. I put away my OPO after getting the G4. I love the G4's camera, but I've been disappointed by the stock ROM and its overall lag, disappointing battery life (< 2 hours SOT on average, and I don't do much) and lack of performance. Even basic things like logging in from the lockscreen shows noticeable lag.
I even tried some custom ROMs (based on stock or CM13) and they still have noticeable lag, and battery life isn't that much better. Did I mention the G4 gets hot regardless of ROM? I don't even play games. But when I do google maps for nav, it burns up.
As a test, I went back to my OPO and updated to a CM13 ROM (resurrection) and I'm amazed by how fluid it is. Battery life is also amazing at over 3hours SOT. It doesn't get that hot. The camera is subpar, but overall I like the experience.
I'm not a programmer of any type, but techy enough to flash ROMs.
My question is, why is this the case? The OPO has a 801 while the G4 has a 808 snapdragon. Is it the difference in display resolution, with the G4 pushing more pixels at 2k?
Has anyone successfully flashed any stable ROM that has no lag? If not, I'm looking to just get rid of this phone and keep the OPO.
Thanks in advance.
I have both and feel like the g4 is much faster. If your phone gets too buggy it may be the hardware failing. Happened to me twice.
ro_bro said:
I own both the OnePlus One and the LG G4. I put away my OPO after getting the G4. I love the G4's camera, but I've been disappointed by the stock ROM and its overall lag, disappointing battery life (< 2 hours SOT on average, and I don't do much) and lack of performance. Even basic things like logging in from the lockscreen shows noticeable lag.
I even tried some custom ROMs (based on stock or CM13) and they still have noticeable lag, and battery life isn't that much better. Did I mention the G4 gets hot regardless of ROM? I don't even play games. But when I do google maps for nav, it burns up.
As a test, I went back to my OPO and updated to a CM13 ROM (resurrection) and I'm amazed by how fluid it is. Battery life is also amazing at over 3hours SOT. It doesn't get that hot. The camera is subpar, but overall I like the experience.
I'm not a programmer of any type, but techy enough to flash ROMs.
My question is, why is this the case? The OPO has a 801 while the G4 has a 808 snapdragon. Is it the difference in display resolution, with the G4 pushing more pixels at 2k?
Has anyone successfully flashed any stable ROM that has no lag? If not, I'm looking to just get rid of this phone and keep the OPO.
Thanks in advance.
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i dont have OPO but mine on LP rooted i could get 4:30 SOT using facebook app.
on MM stock i got more then 3 hours..
noe on rooted and unlcoed bootloader on MM i can get like 4 hours using facebook app. as for lag i didnt notice any lag on stock roms. with anothe kernel it feels bettter.. from stock rooted stock kernel. i got 69k on antutu now with kernel i ve reached 74k..
OK so a positive update. In my 6 plus years of flashing ROMs, I've never had to wipe the 'internal storage'. But I decided what the heck, and tried it this time. I also did some of the 'resizing' mentioned here by @TURBO2012 (thx!).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/tmobile-g4/development/turbo-cleaning-proceure-h811-t3417606
Then I installed a different cm13 based ROM (Resurrection ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/...tion-remix-t3395902/post67253333#post67253333) and now it's really silky smooth! I would have never imagined it, but no more wonky issues. I was getting random power offs before esp. after using the camera, the UI would freeze, and the phone would get extremely hot here and there, and battery life was horrible. But after following these methods, so far, very stable, no overheating, and the UI is smooth!
Wanted to give everyone an update in case you're having the same issues as I was.
So I'm on B186 at the moment, it's not bad. But the features from Nougat look decent, such as split screen, app drawer, more customization etc. But at the same tiem I've seen a lot of people rolling back to 182, some say the battery is bad and other issues.
So I thought I'd ask for opinions from people who have it, had it. Is it worth the hassle especially for people that don't get the OTA but have to go through the huawei updater route?
Also last time I tried updating to it I had no keyboard/camera app on it and took me a day to get back to stock. Are there any precautions I could take so it won't happen again?
I have it and I only seen slight battery improvements (may be placebo) however performance is noticeably better especially in the touch response area. From what I see, its MM but with better performance and slightly better battery life with some added extra features. That alone is good enough reason for me to upgrade. One of the reasons on the performance increase and one of the main reasons that I was eager to jump on Nougat is because of the Vulcan API which is native to Android 7.
http://www.trustedreviews.com/android-7-0-nougat-review-vulkan-api-and-performance-page-3
what is the best ROM official and updated without compromise for Exynos? That improves battery.
Stock One UI.
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Stock One UI.
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I'm on stock One UI with latest OTA update. That is what you mean I presume? Battery life is average, not great. But I expect more with my usage and settings
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I'm on stock One UI with latest OTA update. That is what you mean I presume? Battery life is average, not great. But I expect more with my usage and settings
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That's correct. We are always expecting more and more... One UI is the only ROM that fits your requirements, the Note doesn't have any official ROMs afaik. If you really want the best possible battery life, take a look at either Oreo Lineage or AEX.
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That's correct. We are always expecting more and more... One UI is the only ROM that fits your requirements, the Note doesn't have any official ROMs afaik. If you really want the best possible battery life, take a look at either Oreo Lineage or AEX.
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Well we expect more and more partly because how they advert the new devices, this combined with the price.. pretty normal to expect what is promised.. But for couple of things this phone disappointed me more then when I bought my previous phone, the Lenovo P2 a 300$ phone.
The Note 9 is a 900$ phone, with average batterylife, a good rear camera, horrible front camera, good SPen features, awfull awfull super slow motion video, highest display resolution drains battery, enhanced video playback drains battery, shooting video in higher res loses autofocus and object tracking.. :silly:
So sad there are no official ROMs, what is the reason? I'll check the ROMs you suggested. Thanks
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Well we expect more and more partly because how they advert the new devices, this combined with the price.. pretty normal to expect what is promised.. But for couple of things this phone disappointed me more then when I bought my previous phone, the Lenovo P2 a 300$ phone.
The Note 9 is a 900$ phone, with average batterylife, a good rear camera, horrible front camera, good SPen features, awfull awfull super slow motion video, highest display resolution drains battery, enhanced video playback drains battery, shooting video in higher res loses autofocus and object tracking.. :silly:
So sad there are no official ROMs, what is the reason? I'll check the ROMs you suggested. Thanks
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If you think about physics of things, you'll start to understand that what is advertised often isn't possible. The battery is a 15.4 Wh cell, when you consider that the 9810 SOC on it's own can draw 3 - 4W, the display can draw 2W+, just these two together could flatten the battery in under 3 hours (15.4Wh / 6W = 2.56 hours). Sure the SOC is rarely at full load and the display is rarely going to be at full brightness on a white screen but the Note has a bunch of other hardware also consuming power.
I'm sorry if you paid $900 for a Note 9, I paid less than that a couple of days after launch, it's certainly not worth that kind of money now. Saying that though, IMO the Note 9 is still the best all round package. Other than perhaps the display, it isn't really the best at anything but manages to tick more boxes than anything else for me.
The reason there are no official ROMs is because no one wants to make them and AOSP Pie is proving to be rather challenging.
melchiar said:
Well we expect more and more partly because how they advert the new devices, this combined with the price.. pretty normal to expect what is promised.. But for couple of things this phone disappointed me more then when I bought my previous phone, the Lenovo P2 a 300$ phone.
The Note 9 is a 900$ phone, with average batterylife, a good rear camera, horrible front camera, good SPen features, awfull awfull super slow motion video, highest display resolution drains battery, enhanced video playback drains battery, shooting video in higher res loses autofocus and object tracking.. :silly:
So sad there are no official ROMs, what is the reason? I'll check the ROMs you suggested. Thanks
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I find the battery life is exceedingly better than my previous Samsung S7, and I maintained a setup on the 7 with no GPS, bluetooth, or wifi/data on except when needed (using tasker style logics to keep battery utilization down). Now on the Note9 with OneUI updated from a fresh factory image, I leave on my GPS and Bluetooth all the time and only toggle wifi when in an area where I want to be on wifi (using Automate by Llamalabs). I find that by the end of my day I have between 50-60% more battery life left with the Note9, compared to about 30% with the S7.
My suspicion is that a lot of people are not getting the best results because of all the apps and radios they have turned on (maybe even themes and brightness), and possibly taking an update to Android 9 without then performing a factory reset. I did not install anything before upgrading to Android 9, and so I have had ZERO issues.
I've also used a lot of custom ROMs on my previous Samsungs, and none as good (polished and bug-free) as this OneUI.
I just suspect people are not doing it right. That's usually the case with a lot of things.
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I find the battery life is exceedingly better than my previous Samsung S7, and I maintained a setup on the 7 with no GPS, bluetooth, or wifi/data on except when needed (using tasker style logics to keep battery utilization down). Now on the Note9 with OneUI updated from a fresh factory image, I leave on my GPS and Bluetooth all the time and only toggle wifi when in an area where I want to be on wifi (using Automate by Llamalabs). I find that by the end of my day I have between 50-60% more battery life left with the Note9, compared to about 30% with the S7.
My suspicion is that a lot of people are not getting the best results because of all the apps and radios they have turned on (maybe even themes and brightness), and possibly taking an update to Android 9 without then performing a factory reset. I did not install anything before upgrading to Android 9, and so I have had ZERO issues.
I've also used a lot of custom ROMs on my previous Samsungs, and none as good (polished and bug-free) as this OneUI.
I just suspect people are not doing it right. That's usually the case with a lot of things.
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Well that also crossed my mind, but I'm very aware on how I use apps and radios.
Not a power user
Power mode Optimized
Screen resolution FHD+
Auto brightness ON
No gaming
Now and then Facebook lite, Netflix, YouTube, WhatsApp, Chrome
Very little Mobile Data (max half hour a day), default OFF
About 12 hours WiFi, default OFF
Bluetooth is standard off (max half hour a day)
NFC OFF
No high accuracy scanning BT or WiFi
AOD only on tap
Location ON