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[Q] General rooting questions.

Hello, i just got my first smartphone, i have AT&T and i didnt want an iphone and was more drawn toward andriod, so i got a captivate. I would really like to do alot of the things in the "Pimp my captivate" guide but i have some questions first.
1.) If i root the phone, and take off the bloatware, will i still get updates if i go to the check for updates in settings? (ex. like the gps fix and froyo update someday).
2.) Its not going to subtract any features from the phone is it ? (ex. the google syncing and everything will still work? Basically is the rooting process and or bloatware removal going to change the way the phone works besides the programs those being gone?
Ill admit i'm an andriod phone hacking noob, but i do know computers well and programming and have altered other devices in the past.

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I would like to know this as well.

stihl29 said:
1.) If i root the phone, and take off the bloatware, will i still get updates if i go to the check for updates in settings? (ex. like the gps fix and froyo update someday).
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Since no updates have come down yet, I don't think anyone is sure of the answer to this. Keep in mind that it's a good idea to make backups of the app APKs on your sdcard before you remove them (just in case you want to reinstall them).
stihl29 said:
2.) Its not going to subtract any features from the phone is it ? (ex. the google syncing and everything will still work? Basically is the rooting process and or bloatware removal going to change the way the phone works besides the programs those being gone?
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Removing AT&T's crappy apps won't affect the phone negatively at all. They simply won't be there, so you can't use them (if you find them useful). The only app that I can think of you may want to keep is the AT&T Hot Spots app so you phone can use free AT&T wifi at locations such as Starbucks.

Yes, you will still get updates as long as you do not install a custom ROM. (Rooting is ok).
The only functionality that will be removed will be that of the apps you delete

Thank you so much this clears up alot of the things I've been wondering.
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Rooting issues
I have tried everything I have found online. The superuser icon is there. I have downloaded several apps that require the device to be rooted. I turned on usb debugging, and turned it off. I've downloaded update.zip several times.
I'm not entirely a noob when it comes to tweaking phones. I flashed roms on windows mobile and performed all sorts of modifications I got off this site.
I have the superuser icon. I downloaded titanium. Titanium says it installed busybox. I downloaded the separate busybox app from the market. That app has a popup saying that a nand unlock is necessary for the app to work. When I run it in spite of the popup, it says the device is rooted, but can't find busybox. A whoami command in adb will indicate that I'm not. I went though adb to reinstall busybox. But whenever I try to run any significant commands (eg su) it gives me a permission denied error. Googling permission denied gives me a myraid of possible causes, but it seems I'm getting far afield. I just want to get rid of the bloatware for now.
Is there another program to root this thing? Did I just miss something incredibly obvious?

hello, I recently just rooted this beast, and was wondering when, why, and how often i should clear out the dalvic cache

kamots said:
hello, I recently just rooted this beast, and was wondering when, why, and how often i should clear out the dalvic cache
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You shouldn't ever need to unless you are installing a ROM that requires it. the Dalvik Cache is the Java VM that Android Runs on and it does a very good job of keeping itself cleared. It does lots of Garbage collection on its own.

gotcha! thank you

Android pay working?

Who has Android pay working on their unlocked bootloader?
What obstacles did you have to overcome?

I do, I installed and opened it before I flashed TWRP and super su.
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Have you used it since?
I'm getting errors and I wonder if it's from unlocking the bootloader or xposed. I've read a bit about it it but short of going full stock nothing has worked
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Batttie said:
Have you used it since?
I'm getting errors and I wonder if it's from unlocking the bootloader or xposed. I've read a bit about it it but short of going full stock nothing has worked
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Root kills all the pay services. Disable root.

mrkhigh said:
Root kills all the pay services. Disable root.
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Is that confirmed? There are lots of topics here that say that any root kills Android Pay but they are several months old.
I've rooted my phone using the latest Sunshine yesterday. I can live without Android Pay but if turning off root gets it back I'll take it.

nlinecomputers said:
Is that confirmed? There are lots of topics here that say that any root kills Android Pay but they are several months old.
I've rooted my phone using the latest Sunshine yesterday. I can live without Android Pay but if turning off root gets it back I'll take it.
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I've never used it, so no I cannot confirm it. But, a while back somebody posted with stock cm12.1 root not enabled in dev options that it worked.

mrkhigh said:
I've never used it, so no I cannot confirm it. But, a while back somebody posted with stock cm12.1 root not enabled in dev options that it worked.
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OK, I highly doubt that. Cyanogen as I understand it isn't CTS compliant. Therefore, it couldn't work rooted or not. When I turn off Root I can pass a safetynet check. That implies that it SHOULD work with root turned off but it's not guaranteed to function that way. I'll need to check it at a cash register.

nlinecomputers said:
OK, I highly doubt that. Cyanogen as I understand it isn't CTS compliant. Therefore, it couldn't work rooted or not. When I turn off Root I can pass a safetynet check. That implies that it SHOULD work with root turned off but it's not guaranteed to function that way. I'll need to check it at a cash register.
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When you try it post back, I'm curious and then we'd both know.

Disabling root stopped working a few updates ago. Even on the stock rom. Unlike other companies, who might eventually get to the point where patching workarounds isn't worth it to them, Google seems pretty dedicated to the cat and mouse game.
Also, it is possible for you to add a card and then for you not to be able to use it when you try to pay for something. So for all those who think "I can add a card! Success!", you might want to hold off on the celebrations for a bit.

Will the Xposed module that hides root from apps work (root cloak or something)?

jlang11 said:
Will the Xposed module that hides root from apps work (root cloak or something)?
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Nope

What's the best method to get Android pay working? There's still time to tap 10, and a free chromecast might be worth the trouble lol.

Here ya go:
Workaround to get Android Pay Working with SuperSU v2.67
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/passing-safetynet-root-t3307659
Doesn't work with xposed, however.

ChazzMatt said:
Here ya go:
Workaround to get Android Pay Working with SuperSU v2.67
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/passing-safetynet-root-t3307659
Doesn't work with xposed, however.
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That workaround was done using systemless superSU on android 6.0.1. I'm hoping that it will work for us, but I'm not optimistic. Even if it does, I give it a month max before it stops working.

Is root worth it? What do I lose?

As the title says...I'm considering doing root in my V2. I just got my replacement note an hour ago. I immediately paused the update because I read somewhere on here that once you update, you won't be able to root. I was looking forward to root till I started thinking about what types of abilities I would actually lose by rooting?
What I can think of from the top of my head is:
1) No Samsung/Android pay
2) Some games won't let you play if you're rooted.
3) Some games won't let you play if you have xPosed installed (such as Marvel Future Fight)
4) Can't do software updates to make my phone faster/fix anything that is wrong (can't I just install the software updates after installing root? Or will that just remove the root?)
5) Voids warranty
Anything else I might lose?
I'm excited for xPosed cause I need me some modules such as snapprefs, and youtube playing in the background. I also like having the ability to change things around the device and such
Is there a way to get around the "xPosed detected" in those types of games by the way?

Luckily for you, the current root does not trip knox
1) Samsung pay will not work, but with right xpose set up Android pay will. The good news is if you ever go back to stock, Samsung pay will work again (knox not tripped)
2) Some games indeed will not work, but with the right xpose app you can fix this by hiding root from it.
3)I did not know that! They getting fancy now...but I can see reason why. I guess no Marvel Future Fight for you if you have xposed than. I know you can hide root from apps, not sure you can hide xposed from apps.
4)You cannot do software update, this is true. The run around for this is to wait for a developer, or even Jovy do a deodex of the new update and you can install that while keeping your old bootloader (for root to work). There is a possible downside to this...samsung is known to make their software run very funny if you are not on the corresponding bootloader. P.S. I never recommend taking a software update while you are rooted (assuming it will even install depending on what you have frozen or block). Just dont risk it.
5) TECHNICALLY your warranty will not be voided with current root method. Knox not tripped = Warranty in place.
As you can see, you are not really loosing much.

Root cloak fixes every problem with root.

Leelouster said:
As the title says...I'm considering doing root in my V2. I just got my replacement note an hour ago. I immediately paused the update because I read somewhere on here that once you update, you won't be able to root. I was looking forward to root till I started thinking about what types of abilities I would actually lose by rooting?
What I can think of from the top of my head is:
1) No Samsung/Android pay
2) Some games won't let you play if you're rooted.
3) Some games won't let you play if you have xPosed installed (such as Marvel Future Fight)
4) Can't do software updates to make my phone faster/fix anything that is wrong (can't I just install the software updates after installing root? Or will that just remove the root?)
5) Voids warranty
Anything else I might lose?
I'm excited for xPosed cause I need me some modules such as snapprefs, and youtube playing in the background. I also like having the ability to change things around the device and such
Is there a way to get around the "xPosed detected" in those types of games by the way?
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You'll lose secure folder and if you update shealth after the root process it will no longer run.

louforgiveno said:
You'll lose secure folder and if you update shealth after the root process it will no longer run.
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Oh yeah, I've heard about the shealth thing, just update it before you root and you'll be good It's a shame about the secure folder...:/ Anyway to go around it to be able to use it just like the shealth?

Seems like rooting will somehow cripple your device...wow times have changed.
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charlieb620 said:
Root cloak fixes every problem with root.
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Will samsung pay continue working?
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leelouster said:
oh yeah, i've heard about the shealth thing, just update it before you root and you'll be good it's a shame about the secure folder...:/ anyway to go around it to be able to use it just like the shealth?
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im rooted wit secured folder workin

mister_propa said:
im rooted wit secured folder workin
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How did you get that working? Ive tried setting it up before rooting and it wont let me open the file. I also tried setting it up after rooting but it keeps giving me error making the folder.
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Leelouster said:
Oh yeah, I've heard about the shealth thing, just update it before you root and you'll be good It's a shame about the secure folder...:/ Anyway to go around it to be able to use it just like the shealth?
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I had heard even if you update s health before rooting once your rooted it wont open due to root.

This is the first Android device I've own that I feel no need to root. Sure I'd love to have Viper4Android running but can't justify all I'd lose to run one app that requires root.

mgbotoe said:
Luckily for you, the current root does not trip knox
1) Samsung pay will not work, but with right xpose set up Android pay will. The good news is if you ever go back to stock, Samsung pay will work again (knox not tripped)
2) Some games indeed will not work, but with the right xpose app you can fix this by hiding root from it.
3)I did not know that! They getting fancy now...but I can see reason why. I guess no Marvel Future Fight for you if you have xposed than. I know you can hide root from apps, not sure you can hide xposed from apps.
4)You cannot do software update, this is true. The run around for this is to wait for a developer, or even Jovy do a deodex of the new update and you can install that while keeping your old bootloader (for root to work). There is a possible downside to this...samsung is known to make their software run very funny if you are not on the corresponding bootloader. P.S. I never recommend taking a software update while you are rooted (assuming it will even install depending on what you have frozen or block). Just dont risk it.
5) TECHNICALLY your warranty will not be voided with current root method. Knox not tripped = Warranty in place.
As you can see, you are not really loosing much.
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THANK YOU for you detailed explanation, this is exactly what I was looking for! Thank you for your advice and everything Do you know what xpose app that is to hide root from games? I don't think you can hide xposed from apps though :/
charlieb620 said:
Root cloak fixes every problem with root.
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I'm guessing that's an xposed module?
mister_propa said:
im rooted wit secured folder workin
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How did you get it working? Can you please tell me what you did?
dkb218 said:
This is the first Android device I've own that I feel no need to root. Sure I'd love to have Viper4Android running but can't justify all I'd lose to run one app that requires root.
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I feel ya, I'm on the same boat, but I'd really enjoy some xposed modules lol. I'm an audiophile and haven't had Viper4Android since the S5 and I miss it lol

Help using baking app finding non-existing root

banking app, not baking app, f**ks sake
Hello there. I have been using stock android 7.1.1 for a while and decided to try using roms again (Pure Nexus). One of the apps that i need is "Vipps" its a Norwegian banking app used to transfer money to friends and stuff, but its notorious for finding root. I used to use xposed and root cloak on android 6, but i know well it dosent work with 7. Magisk dosent hide it, suhide dosent hide it.
After installing Vipps it rejects opening promting me with "Vipps does not support rooted devices". Only thing is its running a ROM that comes with no root.
- Cheers, Kristiansja
edit: root checker doesn't find annything either

kristiansja said:
banking app, not baking app, f**ks sake
Hello there. I have been using stock android 7.1.1 for a while and decided to try using roms again (Pure Nexus). One of the apps that i need is "Vipps" its a Norwegian banking app used to transfer money to friends and stuff, but its notorious for finding root. I used to use xposed and root cloak on android 6, but i know well it dosent work with 7. Magisk dosent hide it, suhide dosent hide it.
After installing Vipps it rejects opening promting me with "Vipps does not support rooted devices". Only thing is its running a ROM that comes with no root.
- Cheers, Kristiansja
edit: root checker doesn't find annything either
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Go into the root settings and remove root. Mind you this cause some of the features of the rom to stop working. Apps like that are not only looking for root but also for unlocked bootloaders. So if those apps are important to you then might want to stick to a fully stock set up and relock your bootloader.

zelendel said:
Go into the root settings and remove root. Mind you this cause some of the features of the rom to stop working. Apps like that are not only looking for root but also for unlocked bootloaders. So if those apps are important to you then might want to stick to a fully stock set up and relock your bootloader.
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Pure Nexus comes without root

kristiansja said:
Pure Nexus comes without root
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Go into developer option and turn off USB debugging. After that, reboot the phone and see if Vipps is working. If that doesn't work, I have one more suggestion.

It's probably checking ro.build.tags and/or ro.build.type. These are set to test-keys and userdebug on PN (if I remember correctly) and some apps need them to be set to release-keys and user. It could also be looking for other prop values and possibly also busybox (also included in PN, I believe).

Or BusyBox...
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Xposed Framework Question

Hi,
At times like this I really wish that I knew more about android than I do, but then again that's part of the reason there are site's like reddit. What I'm trying to do is use the sudohide app to solve the issue I've been having as far as keeping it from trying to update itself and becoming enabled again. For my youtube stuff I use the vanced app which at least for me better than the real youtube app. When I open up the sudohide app I receive a prompt that says xposed framework is not installed. Does my lg v30 phone have to be rooted to be able to use the sudohide app? If so I really need to get it rooted, of course if it's rooted I can probably just get rid of youtube anyway.
Thanks

Davy49 said:
Hi,
At times like this I really wish that I knew more about android than I do, but then again that's part of the reason there are site's like reddit. What I'm trying to do is use the sudohide app to solve the issue I've been having as far as keeping it from trying to update itself and becoming enabled again. For my youtube stuff I use the vanced app which at least for me better than the real youtube app. When I open up the sudohide app I receive a prompt that says xposed framework is not installed. Does my lg v30 phone have to be rooted to be able to use the sudohide app? If so I really need to get it rooted, of course if it's rooted I can probably just get rid of youtube anyway.
Thanks
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Sudohide is an (ed)xposed module, which needs root to run in the first place, so you need to unlock your device unless you haven't done so already (it will wipe all your data, backup first), flash TWRP which replaces your stock "recovery" program which is originally used to do factory resets etc, but twrp can do much more. Then flash magisk in twrp, your phone is now rooted, now you can install riru core (dependency for edxposed) and edxposed framework systemlessly, writing directly to system will definitely break safetynet, which is why this is the popular way of rooting these days. Some tinkering around is needed to keep safetynet passing (otherwise you'll lose access to some banking apps, some games, netflix will work, but you can't install it from play store). Just rooting lets you access all the read-only partitions and install magisk modules that take advantage of that, xposed lets you mess with the behavior of user/system apps.

Hi zipsu,
Of course thanks so much for your feedback, and as silly as it might sound..all I have to do now is work up my courage and attempt to root my lg v30 phone. I know that a lot of user's say that it's actually pretty simple, but I think they have more knowledge about android that I currently have. It probably doesn't matter but I'm currently running android version 9.0 on my phone.
zipsu said:
Sudohide is an (ed)xposed module, which needs root to run in the first place, so you need to unlock your device unless you haven't done so already (it will wipe all your data, backup first), flash TWRP which replaces your stock "recovery" program which is originally used to do factory resets etc, but twrp can do much more. Then flash magisk in twrp, your phone is now rooted, now you can install riru core (dependency for edxposed) and edxposed framework systemlessly, writing directly to system will definitely break safetynet, which is why this is the popular way of rooting these days. Some tinkering around is needed to keep safetynet passing (otherwise you'll lose access to some banking apps, some games, netflix will work, but you can't install it from play store). Just rooting lets you access all the read-only partitions and install magisk modules that take advantage of that, xposed lets you mess with the behavior of user/system apps.
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