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Available Memory on Cyanogen

Hi,
First post here, but have followed these forums for a while.
Just a quick question. I just recently updated to Cyanogen 4.2.14.1 for my Dream. Everything works fine and smooth, and with the ram hack I noticed this even more. But I notice that when first booting my phone up, that after running Advanced Task Killer and stopping all apps after letting the phone boot, that my available memory can get as high as 45mb.
Problem is, it never stays that high, and normally after an hour or so, I average around 28-34mb available memory, even after closing all applications and running ATK again.
Is that pretty standard for the G1 on this build? And if not, is there something I should be doing to increase the available memory?
The build runs great (much better than 4.2.13), but it seems that when I see screenshots of ATK on other peoples G1's, that they are getting more memory.
Any suggestions for me?
Thanks

It's by design

Im not sure I get what you mean. Can you be a bit more specific?

I think what the poster meant is that the ROM was designed to utilize your RAM as much as possible to keep things running fast and smooth. As long as your phone is still running fast, why worry about it?
Dai323 said:
Hi,
First post here, but have followed these forums for a while.
Just a quick question. I just recently updated to Cyanogen 4.2.14.1 for my Dream. Everything works fine and smooth, and with the ram hack I noticed this even more. But I notice that when first booting my phone up, that after running Advanced Task Killer and stopping all apps after letting the phone boot, that my available memory can get as high as 45mb.
Problem is, it never stays that high, and normally after an hour or so, I average around 28-34mb available memory, even after closing all applications and running ATK again.
Is that pretty standard for the G1 on this build? And if not, is there something I should be doing to increase the available memory?
The build runs great (much better than 4.2.13), but it seems that when I see screenshots of ATK on other peoples G1's, that they are getting more memory.
Any suggestions for me?
Thanks
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To expand on the other post, what good is ram if it is always free forcing applications to reopen. Wouldn't you rather have 15-20mb free ram to load new programs while keeping some of the programs you use often in ram, then have those get bumped out when more ram is needed.

futangclan said:
I think what the poster meant is that the ROM was designed to utilize your RAM as much as possible to keep things running fast and smooth. As long as your phone is still running fast, why worry about it?
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Cause theres a difference between running "fast", and "as fast as possible
Im just trying to make sure Im utilizing the roms to their best potential, and I simply wanted to make sure that was I was experiencing was normal.
evilkorn said:
To expand on the other post, what good is ram if it is always free forcing applications to reopen. Wouldn't you rather have 15-20mb free ram to load new programs while keeping some of the programs you use often in ram, then have those get bumped out when more ram is needed.
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You make a good point. I was just confused as it seems I hear alot of people saying they can achieve 45 to 50mb available memory on a G1. I so far cant find a way to do this. Nonetheless, the rom runs super.
Thanks for answering guys.

Thanks, that was the point I was trying to get at.
evilkorn said:
To expand on the other post, what good is ram if it is always free forcing applications to reopen. Wouldn't you rather have 15-20mb free ram to load new programs while keeping some of the programs you use often in ram, then have those get bumped out when more ram is needed.
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[Q] Phone becoming laggy after few days

Hey,
I'm using Apex 10.1 & Talon 0.5.1.3 kernel and I want to know once and for all, where does the ram go after a few days of using the phone?!
After I'm rebooting the phone, I have about 180 mb of free ram when I'm closing all the apps (using task manager).
After few days of using, the phone become laggy and I have 90 mb of free eam after closing all the apps.
Where have 90mb of ram gone?!
I tried to use the drop caches in memory freak, but it doesn't help.
Can you explain me + help me?
Thanks!

that kernel has a memory leak, it loses ram over a long uptime.
you can try another kernel or you can reboot your phone frequently until the dev finds and plugs the leak.

I think I will stay with this kernel and restart the phone every day.. hope the will find a way to fix the leak..
Thanks!

[Q] Moving Very Slow

I've had this issue since purchasing this tablet about 6 months ago, and perhaps it is just THIS tablet, but does everyone have the issue of the tablet being bogged down? What I mean is.....For example, if I click an app, it can take up to 10 seconds for the app to actually open. Also, sometimes the app will barely do anything once it is open, almost as if there is too much processing in the background and the tablet can't keep up.
I have next to nothing on the tablet, and I close my apps when I'm done using them. I only keep open my most used, which is usually only Hangouts and Trivia Crack. If you guys/girls have any advice on how I can speed this thing up, it would be GREATLY appreciated!

I am not seeing this, however which of the many 7" memo pad tablets are you using? I am on the ME572C. I will say that things definitely improved with one of the updates because out of the box it was slower than it is now. However I only ran on the out of the box version for about 3 hours before I updated to the current version of the software. I have never had 10 second lags during launch of an app... I do know that some of the memo pads have less ram than the ME572C and that can cause some stutter on app startup (low ram available for usage). I have experienced that type of stutter on another tablet (my old kindle fire which is on the otterX firmware and it only has 512megs of ram instead of 2gig like the ME572C.
Shaundiesel said:
I've had this issue since purchasing this tablet about 6 months ago, and perhaps it is just THIS tablet, but does everyone have the issue of the tablet being bogged down? What I mean is.....For example, if I click an app, it can take up to 10 seconds for the app to actually open. Also, sometimes the app will barely do anything once it is open, almost as if there is too much processing in the background and the tablet can't keep up.
I have next to nothing on the tablet, and I close my apps when I'm done using them. I only keep open my most used, which is usually only Hangouts and Trivia Crack. If you guys/girls have any advice on how I can speed this thing up, it would be GREATLY appreciated!
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Sorry, I have the ME176CX....I believe it is 1GB Ram. I just haven't read anywhere else that people have complained about the speed. It's really frustrating though.

Shaundiesel said:
Sorry, I have the ME176CX....I believe it is 1GB Ram. I just haven't read anywhere else that people have complained about the speed. It's really frustrating though.
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It does have 1 gig of ram based upon looking it up. If you reboot the tablet from a clean start how long does it take until the problem starts occurring? How long has it been between reboots when you see this problem?
On my kindle fire otter/x before a leak got cleared up I had to reboot it on a regular basis (I had it scripted to reboot nightly) in order to attempt to prevent lag like you describe. Some apps even in the presence of a nightly reboot (and after a leak got fixed) would still take time to launch because the tablet would have to clean out the cached apps in order to get enough memory clear for the new app to run.
If you carefully choose to close apps rather than let android cache them after usage you might find that the behavior you are describing does not occur...(If you already know this I apologize, but Android by default has a tendency to keep apps running in the background, it assumes that you are going to switch back to them). Early on, people used task killer type apps to try and keep certain apps from clogging memory.
P.S. If you have the facebook app installed, disable it or uninstall it and then reboot the tablet, you might be startled at how much better the tablet might then perform...

Hi I'm having this problem as well. Am wondering have you made any more progress in sorting it?
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snukems said:
Hi I'm having this problem as well. Am wondering have you made any more progress in sorting it?
Sent from my K013 using XDA Free mobile app
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Hey guys, I bought the Asus Memo Pad 7, model number K017, it has an internal storage of 8 GB and currently using 5.42 and I added an SD Card of 29.71 GB. I was wondering how could I release more internal memory, since I believe it's the reason why it's running so slow. I deleted as many apps I could and moved as much as I could to the SD but still not enough.
Any thoughts or tips are welcomed.
Thanks

In the last days I'm experiencing lots of problems with my ME173X-1B071A: always very very very slow (unusable) and overheating.
I bought it 2 years ago and I never had problems before.
Maybe 1GB RAM is too little nowadays?
I think I will buy a new tablet.....

Android 5.1.1 LMY48B finally the memory leak is solved!!

After 8 months google finally fix the memory leak in android lollipop. Thanks :crying::crying: Am I dreaming?

Having the memory load increasing is not, in itself, a memory leak.
The Nexus 5 comes with 2 Gb of RAM, the goal is not to have memory load below 300 mb in every case (or you can buy a 512 mb-RAM smartphone)
The leak is a bug in memory management which increase memory load without any limit, thus slowing the device and crashing it. I did not experience this under 5.1 with Franco and stock kernel.

I can confirm that franco kernel does not solve the issue. For me the issue is easily reproduced by opening farm heroes saga and swiping it away, After a couple of times the system ram goes up to 1.4gig

jzviagin said:
I can confirm that franco kernel does not solve the issue. For me the issue is easily reproduced by opening farm heroes saga and swiping it away, After a couple of times the system ram goes up to 1.4gig
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This is kind of interesting. I wonder if the system management is to blame or apps themselves.

jlmcr87 said:
I found a solution. If you change the kernel (for example Franco kernel) all problems are solved.
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did you write about this in bug tracker ? if not plz write so they can look where need to change some thing.
and btw to be frank i'm not having any memory leak or any other buy on 5.1 and i feels everything even better than KK also battery life is as good as KK after 5.1 for me
and finally did you do factory reset After flashing factory image ? if not do it , it seems unnecessary to lot of ppl to F.reset after fresh install but it does solve many problem so do it if you didn't and remember it for every time you flash the rom :good:

Issue stared and '+1 confirmed'.
Can someone mark the bug as critical?

jineshpatel30 said:
did you write about this in bug tracker ? if not plz write so they can look where need to change some thing.
and btw to be frank i'm not having any memory leak or any other buy on 5.1 and i feels everything even better than KK also battery life is as good as KK after 5.1 for me
and finally did you do factory reset After flashing factory image ? if not do it , it seems unnecessary to lot of ppl to F.reset after fresh install but it does solve many problem so do it if you didn't and remember it for every time you flash the rom :good:
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The same problem with franco kernel, bad luck.
To recreate the problem, simply start a game like Farm Heroes Saga, then close it by swiping away. For each time I do this the system memory increases 100mb or more until there is no more space and then cell phone stops responding. Additional I noticed than when I start Farm Heroes Saga for example the free memory on ‘Show Cache Processes’ is negative as can be seen on the print I took, and there is no free memory, this problem can be recreated even in the first minute after boot simply by starting the game.

i don t know if is due to the memory leak but after 3 days (fresh factory image flash) i m facing the annoying launcher redraw and high system memory usage:780 mb with 1,2 gb of peak
jlmcr87 said:
The same problem with franco kernel, bad luck.
To recreate the problem, simply start a game like Farm Heroes Saga, then close it by swiping away. For each time I do this the system memory increases 100mb or more until there is no more space and then cell phone stops responding. Additional I noticed than when I start Farm Heroes Saga for example the free memory on ‘Show Cache Processes’ is negative as can be seen on the print I took, and there is no free memory, this problem can be recreated even in the first minute after boot simply by starting the game.
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I dont want to create a seperate thread so I am asking here. Got Nexus 5 a few days ago, started reading about 5.1 update and memory leak issue. Tried to update to 5.1 but gave up(usb driver issue). Today I noticed that ram usage for apps increases and does not drop down after shutting down apps (games mainly). System ram is constantly about 300-400 but app ram got from 300 to over 600 in about 6 hours. Is this also a memory leak or maybe apps just do not completely shut down?

Memory going up does not mean there is a memory leak, it means memory no longer in use has not yet been garbage collected which is fine.

Yes, I wouldn't go purely on what the stats say in Settings > Apps > Running.
I haven't made my mind up yet - memory usage according to that screen is even higher than it was on 5.0.1 yet apps aren't killed anywhere near as often. Of course, it's early days though.
It's been said before, but sadly the new "norm" is now becoming 3GB RAM for high-end devices... and most new versions of Android are going to aimed at running best on the new handsets. I suppose that's to be expected.

surrealjam said:
Yes, I wouldn't go purely on what the stats say in Settings > Apps > Running.
I haven't made my mind up yet - memory usage according to that screen is even higher than it was on 5.0.1 yet apps aren't killed anywhere near as often. Of course, it's early days though.
It's been said before, but sadly the new "norm" is now becoming 3GB RAM for high-end devices... and most new versions of Android are going to aimed at running best on the new handsets. I suppose that's to be expected.
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Isnt suppost Linux do same memory management with 2GB or 3GB of Ram?
Wich leads me to if KK,JB and ICS didnt had this memory leak problem how come this happens in LP?
That is one thing that I dont understand....

surrealjam said:
Yes, I wouldn't go purely on what the stats say in Settings > Apps > Running.
I haven't made my mind up yet - memory usage according to that screen is even higher than it was on 5.0.1 yet apps aren't killed anywhere near as often. Of course, it's early days though.
It's been said before, but sadly the new "norm" is now becoming 3GB RAM for high-end devices... and most new versions of Android are going to aimed at running best on the new handsets. I suppose that's to be expected.
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Of course it is,just to force older phones users to buy new high end Android smartphones with more RAM. Now 3GB of RAM s getting standart,next year 3GB of RAM will get too little and 4GB of RAM will become a standart and so on..This is how marketing works.

My N5 (Factory Reset then Flashed Factory Image then Factory Reset) is up since 73 Hours, it uses acutally 490MB RAM for System and 898MB RAM for Apps,
in these 73 Hourse the App-Drawer was not redrawed once. I hope it will run like this for a long time.
The only thing that hasnt work, was the flashing with the Flash-All.bat.

Simonna said:
Of course it is,just to force older phones users to buy new high end Android smartphones with more RAM. Now 3GB of RAM s getting standart,next year 3GB of RAM will get too little and 4GB of RAM will become a standart and so on..This is how marketing works.
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exactly ! but ppl need to understand that what they need with phone.
i don't see any app that need more than 2GBs for ram on market plus multitasking is exceptional in N5 for me bcz i don't use tons of chatting apps who always runs and eats all resources of phone , i use heavy games and N5 still works great with highest graphics...and i bet none of Samsung or any other premium devices works with them as impressive as this 1.5yr old device still do ! so for me N5 is still more than enough
phone shouldn't be excessive better in specs than what you wants from phone. Bcz it does't make any sanse unless one have lots of money and he/she only want to waste it one way or another

I thought this was fixed at first. I picked up my phone this morning and went to check news and the whole thing was froze for like 5 seconds then starting working, but stuttering. Do I checked apps and low and behold I had about ten apps restarting, just like in the previous lollipop. Except this time I only see half my apps restarting (so far) instead of nearly all of them.

Cum said:
My N5 (Factory Reset then Flashed Factory Image then Factory Reset) is up since 73 Hours, it uses acutally 490MB RAM for System and 898MB RAM for Apps,
in these 73 Hourse the App-Drawer was not redrawed once. I hope it will run like this for a long time.
The only thing that hasnt work, was the flashing with the Flash-All.bat.
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sounds like almost my case

I've read several android blogs they claim damaging, HTC, ect have fixed the memory leak in their roms (although I heard people claim this in cm12 also). Just out of curiosity can anyone confirm this is true?

I tried loading and swiping CoC 5 times and my free Ram still remains at 1200.

My battery life has definitely gotten significantly worse after 5.1. Drained over 20% in just an hour with very light usage.

Z3C 5.02 stock Memory leak or something else?

I know that there was a memory leak issue with 5.02 but it's apparently fixed before the fw was deployed:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony/clarification-xperia-lollipop-fix-t3087240
So that doesn't help explain my issue. Very often, when I have any combination of Spotify + Google Maps, Spotify + Chrome, Chrome + Google Maps, etc open, the app that's in the background will just flat out close. It's stupidly annoying while driving when my music just dies, or when my navigation disappears and I miss my turns because I don't hear any audible alerts. The issue goes away after a fresh restart, and will come back usually within a day or two.
I did not have this issue on 4.4.4.
My free ram hovers around 500-600MB at all times.
RAM status today
RAM Status after fresh restart
I absolutely hate why nothing can be properly backgrounded like in iOS. The moment I press the home button or switch apps, all my open tabs in Chrome have to be reloaded. Filling out forms in a Chrome tab while referencing another app is almost impossible... This was actually an issue on 4.4.4 as well as 5.02. I have not found any way to fix this, no matter how many times I restart my phone. I don't think my old Galaxy S3 had this problem...
Why does Android make us work so hard for a properly working phone, if we can even have that at all? As a consumer I should not have to go through 7 levels of technical hell to make a phone work properly. This isn't Linux.
Sorry for the rant. Anyone know what I can do to fix this? Everyone says RAM clearing apps are bad. So that's not an option right?

.726 has this problem and as far as I can recall it was pretty serious. Fortunately in .26 the problem has been solved. It's about memory management in lollipop being poor rather than memory leak.

.26 hasn't been released for D5803 USA right? I don't see it in the firmware thread
Still doesn't explain the Chrome issue. Whenever anything is backgrounded (not closed) in Chrome, all my tabs have to be reloaded. Most of the time now, even just switching from one tab to the next within Chrome while it's open forces a refresh of the tab. WTF

I never had any memory leak issues with any of the firmwares. Try to turn off Stamina mode just to see if it is affecting (I have it off, and queue background data off as well). Make sure also you have not enabled Developer Options and checked the setting 'Don't keep activities' or some other setting that limit the amount of process you can have in the background.

Dev options are not enabled. And stamina only kicks in at 50% battery. I could turn off que data but does that have anything to do with RAM?

I just called Xperia tech support and they suggested I do this:
http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperi...uctions-using-Pc-Companion-Win-or/td-p/249946
Has anyone done this and fixed the issue?
I am apparently not the only one who has had this problem:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SonyXperia/comments/356f80/z3c_502_stock_memory_leak_or_something_else/

There's an Xposed module called App Settings that lets you force the OS to keep stuff resident in memory. Because it's an Xposed module, I have no idea if it's compatible with LP or not. Also, there's a point where you can run out of memory and experience involuntary restarts if you keep too many apps resident. Still, it's worth trying, imo.

I was told that the memory leak wouldn't be fixed until 5.1 or even 5.1.1

726 did indeed have this problem. i used the xposed module for the memoryleak fix and it did indeed work...phone was much faster.
People are saying sony phones do not have the leak but the leak affects each phone in slightly different ways.
I the new .28 USA firmware running on my phone now and it is working rather well. granted i still have the lollipop memory fix module activated but i will do some testing with it off as well.

Nope, the problem is not solved in any lollipop firmware, atleast for me. I tried all the latest, reflash and wiped all (Included Internal Data) and the problem still here. Is Ridiculous how with 2GB RAM I can´t have atleast 4 apps opened without the preocupation of they get killed for itself. I remember with my Nexus 7 Tablet in Android 4.3 had a looot of apps opened and no one get killed itself, it was a great multitask experience that I can't get yet in Xperia Z3 Compact. I tried edit minfree values, uninstall apps, change firmwares, edit services.jar, install tweaks, edit my build.prop, etc. Also I noticed with the Task Manager of System Tuner app that "/system/bin/mediaserver" is always eating more than 60mb of Ram, this is since kitkat and continues to happen in Lollipop, after of some hours, this same process can take up to 160 - 200 mb of RAM!!! The worst thing is that in other devices this process don't seems to take a lot of Ram as in Z3 Compact did. Idk, it would be good that we can improve multitask in this device.
I compared the /system/bin/mediaserver usage with a Samsung Galaxy S4 Mini and it only takes 5 mb of RAM while in Xperia Z3 Compact it always start eating 50 mb of RAM and it increases up to 160 - 200 mb in some hours. You can see my proofs here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=60569610&postcount=9
So Idk what to do now, I hear that the only good devices that take importance in multitasking are HTC M9 (M8 and M7 too) and the Asus Zenphone because they merged their own patches to ART to improve a lot how multitasking is managed in android. I think sony do their devices to kill apps very agressive, so in this way they can presume that his device is more smooth than others but useless for multitasking. Weird...

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Nope, the problem is not solved in any lollipop firmware, atleast for me. I tried all the latest, reflash and wiped all (Included Internal Data) and the problem still here. Is Ridiculous how with 2GB RAM I can´t have atleast 4 apps opened without the preocupation of they get killed for itself. I remember with my Nexus 7 Tablet in Android 4.3 had a looot of apps opened and no one get killed itself, it was a great multitask experience that I can't get yet in Xperia Z3 Compact. I tried edit minfree values, uninstall apps, change firmwares, edit services.jar, install tweaks, edit my build.prop, etc. Also I noticed with the Task Manager of System Tuner app that "/system/bin/mediaserver" is always eating more than 60mb of Ram, this is since kitkat and continues to happen in Lollipop, after of some hours, this same process can take up to 160 - 200 mb of RAM!!! The worst thing is that in other devices this process don't seems to take a lot of Ram as in Z3 Compact did. Idk, it would be good that we can improve multitask in this device.
I compared the /system/bin/mediaserver usage with a Samsung Galaxy S4 Mini and it only takes 5 mb of RAM while in Xperia Z3 Compact it always start eating 50 mb of RAM and it increases up to 160 - 200 mb in some hours. You can see my proofs here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=60569610&postcount=9
So Idk what to do now, I hear that the only good devices that take importance in multitasking are HTC M9 (M8 and M7 too) and the Asus Zenphone because they merged their own patches to ART to improve a lot how multitasking is managed in android. I think sony do their devices to kill apps very agressive, so in this way they can presume that his device is more smooth than others but useless for multitasking. Weird...
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Hmmm, idk. My GPE m8 on 5.1 is experiencing these same symptoms. Super annoying to have my music cut out in the middle of a workout. ?
I play with my food

I referring to HTC M7, M8 and M9 with Sense, because they get own HTC patches. Well, is what I hear, and also I see some tests in YouTube and the multitask is very good.

jerflash said:
726 did indeed have this problem. i used the xposed module for the memoryleak fix and it did indeed work...phone was much faster.
People are saying sony phones do not have the leak but the leak affects each phone in slightly different ways.
I the new .28 USA firmware running on my phone now and it is working rather well. granted i still have the lollipop memory fix module activated but i will do some testing with it off as well.
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Any feedback on how .28 is running compared to .726 with the xposed fix?
Like many, I uninstalled the fix after I read the thread pointing out that having it active was pointless as Sony had already fixed the memory leak themselves, but after reading your reply, I decided to reinstall and sure enough, my phone does seem snappier. Having read the changelog for .28, it didn't seem worth upgrading unless performance was noticeably better.

I will tell you im enjoying .28 with the fix running. There are enough fixes in there to make it worth it i think
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No issues on 23.1.A.0.726 here, I have averagely 250 MB more free RAM on Lollipop than on Kitkat, with all the same apps installed. :good:

Guys, the problem is not how many ram do you have, the problem is if you can multitask some apps without someone get killed. I can multitask within 2 or 3 apps sometimes, but I can't get more than that without someone gets killed...

It was to be expected that Lollipop in Sony devices would be problematic. For the time being, I prefer to stay in KitKat and then make the jump to 5.0.2.

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It was to be expected that Lollipop in Sony devices would be problematic. For the time being, I prefer to stay in KitKat and then make the jump to 5.0.2.
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Lollipop on Xperia started off at 5.0.2

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Lollipop on Xperia started off at 5.0.2
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And nobody said otherwise. I said that I prefer staying in KitKat until the Lollipop update is better to making worth the jump