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4.4 ROMs...

Alright, so I gave Isis a shot and tried to use it. I have been stuck in the Pending review stage for an AmEx Serve card for about 2 days now, and I called today to check up on it, and they need my Social Security Card and my Driver's License to fix this problem. I'm pissed off because it's a debit card, not a credit card. They already have my Social # and my DOB, so I'm done.
Now, to my main question, do any 4.4 ROMs work with the new Google Wallet update, that way I can actually use tap-to-pay?

pivotraze said:
Alright, so I gave Isis a shot and tried to use it. I have been stuck in the Pending review stage for an AmEx Serve card for about 2 days now, and I called today to check up on it, and they need my Social Security Card and my Driver's License to fix this problem. I'm pissed off because it's a debit card, not a credit card. They already have my Social # and my DOB, so I'm done.
Now, to my main question, do any 4.4 ROMs work with the new Google Wallet update, that way I can actually use tap-to-pay?
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No. They all pretend to (Tap and pay setting shows up, google wallet allows you to setup tap and pay, etc), but it doesn't work at terminal. According to @Entropy512:
HCE support is missing from the AOSP stack for NXP NFC controllers. It only works on Broadcom (NCI) controllers. (Unless it was pushed as part of the android-4.4-r1.2 tag...)
So if you have a device with an NXP NFC controller - still no Wallet for you. If your device has the HCE permissions XML (this will only happen if someone made a mistake), Google Wallet will indicate that it's 100% ready for payment, but won't react at all to a payment terminal.
(Another option is if an OEM implements HCE for NXP chips even though it is missing from AOSP.)
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We have a NXP controller...so don't hold your breath for a quick fix

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No. They all pretend to (Tap and pay setting shows up, google wallet allows you to setup tap and pay, etc), but it doesn't work at terminal. According to @Entropy512:
We have a NXP controller...so don't hold your breath for a quick fix
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that is very frustrating. So when HTC releases an update, will it work then? And doesn't the Moto X have the same chip as us? If so, is there something we could pull from the Moto X to get it working over on the 4.4 HTC Ones?

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that is very frustrating. So when HTC releases an update, will it work then? And doesn't the Moto X have the same chip as us? If so, is there something we could pull from the Moto X to get it working over on the 4.4 HTC Ones?
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I tried, but it's possible I missed something. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47734821&postcount=53
I'm guessing tap and pay still isn't working for them either. As far as it being fixed when HTC releases an update? Maybe, maybe not. My guess would be no, they'll wait for Google to fix it in AOSP then incorporate it in an update later...maybe
and yes, frustrating it is..

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I tried, but it's possible I missed something. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47734821&postcount=53
I'm guessing tap and pay still isn't working for them either. As far as it being fixed when HTC releases an update? Maybe, maybe not. My guess would be no, they'll wait for Google to fix it in AOSP then incorporate it in an update later...maybe
and yes, frustrating it is..
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Ah. That makes it even more frustrating. I think the Verizon Moto X has GW (I read it somewhere on Reddit) so maybe there is hope that HTC will implement it. If not, I'm going to be even more mad haha. With Isis and Serve being extremely hard to set up, and GW maybe not working, I'm losing hope that tap to pay will ever take off

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Ah. That makes it even more frustrating. I think the Verizon Moto X has GW (I read it somewhere on Reddit) so maybe there is hope that HTC will implement it. If not, I'm going to be even more mad haha. With Isis and Serve being extremely hard to set up, and GW maybe not working, I'm losing hope that tap to pay will ever take off
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I just found this ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2534238) where vzw motox users have confirmed it working. This gives me some hope
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Will Package Disabler Apps work on Note 8?

I have been seeing that apps like Package Disabler have been struggling to get around disabling packages with latest updates from samsung. Many users on the Play store keep complaining it doesn't work. Will the latest software of Note 8 work with package disabling? What about AdHell? is it as good a disabler like Package and BK?

Works fine in s8 plus. Perfect way to disable sh*tby totally.

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Works fine in s8 plus. Perfect way to disable sh*tby totally.
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Can the Bixby button be used for something else if it is disabled.

StevePritchard said:
Can the Bixby button be used for something else if it is disabled.
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Yes there are a few different apps for remapping the Bixby key or if you root you can do it yourself manually too.
Check in the s8 themes and apps section on XDA or just wait and they'll come to this one too.
However I like Bixby, it's quite helpful and saves me time

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Yes there are a few different apps for remapping the Bixby key or if you root you can do it yourself manually too.
Check in the s8 themes and apps section on XDA or just wait and they'll come to this one too.
However I like Bixby, it's quite helpful and saves me time
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I'm not planning on rooting, just disabling any unnecessary packages. I'm pretty happy with the Google assistant, and think that's likely to be superior to Bixby.

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I'm not planning on rooting, just disabling any unnecessary packages. I'm pretty happy with the Google assistant, and think that's likely to be superior to Bixby.
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The apps have non root options available so you should be good to go with those.

package disable doesnt work all the time. Its a known fact.
Samsung has told the dev to change some thing so it doesnt work.
I had it install on my phone and work great. Then one day i went to add another app to the list and the program wouldnt load.
So i uninstalled it and reinstalled it. Then got an error 102. Contacted the dev and he said it was samsungs fault and if im getting that error to uninstall and ask for a refund.
So with all that being said i doubt it will work on the note 8. I hope it does since i like to block ota updates but we will see what happens.

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package disable doesnt work all the time. Its a known fact.
Samsung has told the dev to change some thing so it doesnt work.
I had it install on my phone and work great. Then one day i went to add another app to the list and the program wouldnt load.
So i uninstalled it and reinstalled it. Then got an error 102. Contacted the dev and he said it was samsungs fault and if im getting that error to uninstall and ask for a refund.
So with all that being said i doubt it will work on the note 8. I hope it does since i like to block ota updates but we will see what happens.
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Curious what phone your currently using. My co worker just got the S8 and contacted the dev. The dev replied almost immediately with a link to the newest version that was not fully released yet. He hasn't had a problem since. That was this past week.

PDP Pro is working fine on my Note 4. That is an older phone that is on Marshmallow. It works well. I took a look at what was installed on the Verizon variant when I was in the Verizon store today and there was not much on it. Much, much less than what they installed on my Note 4. Does anyone know if they just put less on the model phones in the stores, or will there really be that little junk on the phone?

jselden said:
Curious what phone your currently using. My co worker just got the S8 and contacted the dev. The dev replied almost immediately with a link to the newest version that was not fully released yet. He hasn't had a problem since. That was this past week.
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Tmobile s8+ The dev email me back within 5 mins and said if i got that error to ask for a refund and it wouldnt work. This was about 2 weeks ago.
But as said the app work when i first got my s8+ and installed it. but then i went to open it and it didnt open so uninstalled and reinstalled and it didnt work any more.

I'm sure they will work, some work better then others. the Bixby button is something that a lot of people don't really care for so if there is a way to remap/disable it, a post will be up fairly quick.

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I have been seeing that apps like Package Disabler have been struggling to get around disabling packages with latest updates from samsung. Many users on the Play store keep complaining it doesn't work. Will the latest software of Note 8 work with package disabling? What about AdHell? is it as good a disabler like Package and BK?
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it would be nice if they support they note 8 given the nasty they did to their customers when they caved to samsung and modified their app to let the stupid battery cap updates go thru on the note 7.
dear policedeveloper: that really sucked and you are gonna have to come back from that nasty deed. until you redeem yourselves, developer = police.

serusaert said:
it would be nice if they support they note 8 given the nasty they did to their customers when they caved to samsung and modified their app to let the stupid battery cap updates go thru on the note 7.
dear policedeveloper: that really sucked and you are gonna have to come back from that nasty deed. until you redeem yourselves, developer = police.
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Sorry, can't agree with this. Their decision to side with Samsung on this was good business sense. Had any customer using it been "lit up" by a faulty battery while the installation of the update was blocked by PD, they'd have been wide open to a lawsuit regardless of what the license agreement said.

Dodge DeBoulet said:
Sorry, can't agree with this. Their decision to side with Samsung on this was good business sense. Had any customer using it been "lit up" by a faulty battery while the installation of the update was blocked by PD, they'd have been wide open to a lawsuit regardless of what the license agreement said.
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i agree that this is the case but all the same i remember when it happened and was annoyed - i planned, as i have done, to use the note 7 for as long as i could and i was incensed at the attempts to hobble it and end those plans prematurely.
luckily i dodged this (and the others) and got a lot of good use out of it as a tablet. it totally rocked as a backup telecommute device or when on the go. the s-pen is what makes it work. remote desktop on windows 10 is actually pretty functional for coding. and this is a phone i just sold for $380. i can't complain about how it ended up but, yeah, i was a bit upset that these devs were assisting the attempts to hobble it.
i can't wait to try to work using the note 8. i checked one out in best buy yesterday and, tho intimidated by the size (that sounds wrong), i have high hopes for how it will perform as a telecommuting device.

[T-Mobile] May 2nd

Hey TMO, it is now May 2nd 2019. Us 6T owners are wondering if you have forgot about us? We are still running January security update. Maybe throw us a bone to keep us happy for a few more months.

jpeckinp said:
Hey TMO, it is now May 2nd 2019. Us 6T owners are wondering if you have forgot about us? We are still running January security update. Maybe throw us a bone to keep us happy for a few more months.
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Is there anything keeping you from moving on to the International builds or open beta builds?

Why would anyone want to use the t mobile ROM?

BIGWORM said:
Is there anything keeping you from moving on to the International builds or open beta builds?
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mine420 said:
Why would anyone want to use the t mobile ROM?
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RCS for one. Launcher with Google feed built in without the need to root.
There are a few advantages to the T-Mobile ROM. Not a lot, but a few.

Scott said:
RCS for one. Launcher with Google feed built in without the need to root.
There are a few advantages to the T-Mobile ROM. Not a lot, but a few.
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Oh I see I never heard of RCS until you mentioned it. I only booted the stock ROM once before flashing international. I also do not think microg supports Google feeds never used a feed before. How do people admin android without root?

I used to root everything. I just don't have the time anymore plus I din't buy my phone out right and I don't feel like calling TMO to try and get out of the payoff restriction.

BIGWORM said:
Is there anything keeping you from moving on to the International builds or open beta builds?
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Is this the Vegas Big Worm?

jpeckinp said:
I used to root everything. I just don't have the time anymore plus I din't buy my phone out right and I don't feel like calling TMO to try and get out of the payoff restriction.
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I didn't buy phone outright within one hour of taking it home I was boot loader unlocked , sim unlocked and rooted. No need to call t mobile for anything. I only booted the stock operating system once. Which was only because it was required step in the process. They asked me for help in setting up my phone. I sure if you can remove Google play services and seemed to think the phone wouldn't work without Google play services.

I get the desire for RCS,but it's barely used still... I could see it mattering in the future, but as of right now, meh... I got mine unlocked by sweet talking a rep, but MSM tool is great too! As much as I love the Google feed, I simply have a shortcut for it on my home screen so I can quickly go to it if needed... Honestly, the international variant works so much better for me! Sadly, TMO really restricts software updates for so many Android manufacturers, even aside from OnePlus. By the time TMO approve a software update, new patches and updates have already released on the mainstream side.

Wow...figured someone would have mentioned it by now...but anyway. Nova Launcher has a Google Feed plugin where you can just swipe right and you have the Discover feed. No root required.
As for RCS...not that big of a deal for me. I'm using International on my TMO 6T because I got tired of the SLOWWW updates.

I'm confident the T-mobile techs have noticed your demands here on XDA. They are surely working on your requests.
Stand by.

room511 said:
I'm confident the T-mobile techs have noticed your demands here on XDA. They are surely working on your requests.
Stand by.
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Hahaha
DrRyder said:
Wow...figured someone would have mentioned it by now...but anyway. Nova Launcher has a Google Feed plugin where you can just swipe right and you have the Discover feed. No root required.
As for RCS...not that big of a deal for me. I'm using International on my TMO 6T because I got tired of the SLOWWW updates.
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Yeah, I know about the alternatives but they are just not the same as having a dedicated stock launcher with the feed built in. It just seems cleaner to me.
Right now though, I do admit I cant use RCS because no one I know has it. So I went to Beta 9 and am using CPL with the plug in.

I am waiting on my token so I can get off this slow update T-Mobile schedule. I finally got tired of waiting so I called them up and told them I need sim unlock they did it even without phone payoff.
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Pomacat said:
I am waiting on my token so I can get off this slow update T-Mobile schedule. I finally got tired of waiting so I called them up and told them I need sim unlock they did it even without phone payoff.
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What does sim unlock mean in terms of updates? I am not sure if my sim is locked or not no proper method of testing but omni or carbon ROMs update just fine without official sim unlock. I only used the stock ROM long enough to boot the thing to fastboot to flash the international ROM. I did this inside the t mobile store while they processed the return of my wife's iPhone ten pro or what ever it was. They didn't seem to mind. Odd they let me do it with out the phone being processed yet. Mine was rooted and boot loader unlocked before I got my receipt. Their system was down for processing returns so I was there about an hour.

mine420 said:
What does sim unlock mean in terms of updates? I am not sure if my sim is locked or not no proper method of testing but omni or carbon ROMs update just fine without official sim unlock. I only used the stock ROM long enough to boot the thing to fastboot to flash the international ROM. I did this inside the t mobile store while they processed the return of my wife's iPhone ten pro or what ever it was. They didn't seem to mind. Odd they let me do it with out the phone being processed yet. Mine was rooted and boot loader unlocked before I got my receipt. Their system was down for processing returns so I was there about an hour.
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I find that strange with a locked bootloader. I guess you had a PC with you for all that or did the store let you use theirs. Any how good for you.
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I find that strange with a locked bootloader. I guess you had a PC with you for all that or did the store let you use theirs. Any how good for you.
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Yeah I had a windows tablet wait time was about an hour or two since the computers were down. I did walk next store to jamba juice and got a smoothie.

mine420 said:
Yeah I had a windows tablet wait time was about an hour or two since the computers were down. I did walk next store to jamba juice and got a smoothie.
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Oh come on...
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Scott said:
Yeah, I know about the alternatives but they are just not the same as having a dedicated stock launcher with the feed built in. It just seems cleaner to me.
Right now though, I do admit I cant use RCS because no one I know has it. So I went to Beta 9 and am using CPL with the plug in.
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Yeah but I would think that the advantages of having newer/faster updates outweigh having to use another launcher or having RCS. Honestly, the OnePlus Launcher leaves a lot to be desired. I got rid of it almost immediately after I got the phone after I saw its huge lack of customization. Used Nova Launcher for years and love it. I won't use these betas though. I use my phone all day and just don't wanna run into annoying bugs lol. Hopefully we get a big new stable update soon.
RCS isnt something I really *NEED*. I can see when a message was delivered...but I'm sure we'll get RCS eventually.

DrRyder said:
Yeah but I would think that the advantages of having newer/faster updates outweigh having to use another launcher or having RCS. Honestly, the OnePlus Launcher leaves a lot to be desired. I got rid of it almost immediately after I got the phone after I saw its huge lack of customization. Used Nova Launcher for years and love it. I won't use these betas though. I use my phone all day and just don't wanna run into annoying bugs lol. Hopefully we get a big new stable update soon.
RCS isnt something I really *NEED*. I can see when a message was delivered...but I'm sure we'll get RCS eventually.
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Yeah, I can understand where you are coming from. However I would prefer the T-Mobile software. Each person has there own prerogative. Mine is T-Mo.

Pomacat said:
I am waiting on my token so I can get off this slow update T-Mobile schedule. I finally got tired of waiting so I called them up and told them I need sim unlock they did it even without phone payoff.
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Check this thread out

ROOT POSSIBLE?! 0day exploit CVE-2019-2215

So are we ready to gain root on SM-G960U and others?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kateof...o-hundreds-of-millions-of-users/#68e63a235ea2
I am downloading the 0day and will be testing it on several unpached Samsung phones
"The bug is a local privilege escalation vulnerability that allows for a full compromise of a vulnerable device,"
Let's get this dirty santa v2 on the road

I'll hold off on updating cause I don't do much things on my phone that needs privacy anyway, but I doubt anyone would be able to still obtain root. Then again I don't really need root tbh. It'll just be nice once I upgrade so I can have a rooted dex station

RFE said:
So are we ready to gain root on SM-G960U and others?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kateof...o-hundreds-of-millions-of-users/#68e63a235ea2
I am downloading the 0day and will be testing it on several unpached Samsung phones
"The bug is a local privilege escalation vulnerability that allows for a full compromise of a vulnerable device,"
Let's get this dirty santa v2 on the road
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Where are you downloading this?

the more i have lived without root, the more i realize that its just not that necessary anymore. It sucks that its suck a PITA and that the mfgs havent figured out a way to give us access to the stuff we want root for in the first place while protecting the vulnerable stuff at the same time. It cant be that crazy of a concept to put certain things in a protected shell and allow the other stuff to be less secured and give us all the good stuff of root without their panties being in a bunch about it.

It's not about security, it's about makin you use their bloatware/spyware. I want root to get out of the goolag. I don't trust them and without root I have no choice but to use their info harvesting services and apps. It's like being held at gunpoint and being forced to give up all privacy to the new international nazi organization called Google

I'm still on android 8.0 this is not a daily phone I can test if anyone has anything to test

Heathmcdonald said:
It's not about security, it's about makin you use their bloatware/spyware. I want root to get out of the goolag. I don't trust them and without root I have no choice but to use their info harvesting services and apps. It's like being held at gunpoint and being forced to give up all privacy to the new international nazi organization called Google
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i can see why youre on that thought path, but if youre so at arms over this, then why use a brand of phone that is notorious about not being very root friendly? Compile your own firmware, dont use android at all (there are alternatives). Why did you get a S9 in the first place? The S8 wasnt exactly a hotbed for root

How can I help? I also happen to have the SM-G960U on Android 8.0.0 UI 9. Security Patch Dec 1 2018. Def vulnerable. Been waiting for some type of exploit. Idc about Samsung pay or knox. I just want TWRP & FULL CONTROL of what I buy. EFS Backups.

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i can see why youre on that thought path, but if youre so at arms over this, then why use a brand of phone that is notorious about not being very root friendly? Compile your own firmware, dont use android at all (there are alternatives). Why did you get a S9 in the first place? The S8 wasnt exactly a hotbed for root
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I had a s8+ it was rooted and I loved it even with the 80% battery I got like 8-10 hours of screeen on time and I didn't give it any thought whe I when I broke my phone. If I had known I would have just bought another s8+
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i can see why youre on that thought path, but if youre so at arms over this, then why use a brand of phone that is notorious about not being very root friendly? Compile your own firmware, dont use android at all (there are alternatives). Why did you get a S9 in the first place? The S8 wasnt exactly a hotbed for root
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I had a s8+ it was rooted and I loved it even with the 80% battery I got like 8-10 hours of screeen on time and I didn't give it any thought whe I when I broke my phone. If I had known I would have just bought another s8+ and besides that, all this stuff about Google hadn't came out yet. I can't afford another 5-700 for a new phone, I don't have a contract nor do I want one but I assure you that when I buy another one it won't be Samsung

May have a way to root.
Hello I was able to download vmos and in settings is option to turn on root. It's a phone emulator so it's a primative root but I was able to transfer everything to vmos and when I run root checker it says root is successful and I can run all the root apps. But I also have a question has anyone used this work around and would I be possible to flash anything this way? Or would the twrp through the app work like it would normally? But I gained root this way without unlocking bootloader. Could possibly be a way to somehow use this backdoor to gain the real root. But so far everything works how it should. I'll keep everyone posted on happens when I try to flash somthing through twrp in vmos.

Root or Not Root that's the question

Hi together,
I am wondering which benefits I can expect from rooting my device.
One thing that comes to my mind is having an option to use face unlock for older unlock APIs.
What do you guys think?

Tirade incoming...
I'm probably in the minority, but I won't buy a phone I cannot root. The idea that the phone that I paid $1000 for up front is under the control of other companies seems wrong to me. I have full control over my computers... my ISP doesn't tell me what I can run on it and can't force me to use their DNS; Microsoft doesn't tell me that I'm breaking a EULA by running admin programs; my bank's website doesn't refuse to load because I'm running a lot of browser extensions that can modify the page. Google says they respect that people want control over their phones but they also say they respect app creator's wanting to run on an unmodified device. I throw those companies to the wind and don't look back. If only Google would stop blocking access to things and requiring us to use root to gain them back. They give and take features almost constantly and it often feels like a losing battle.
Ideology aside, there are so many small things that can be done through rooting. The next best alternative is either awkward or non-existent. I could name them off, but each thing on their own is easily dismissable is about preference. But if I had to use a phone that had none of my modifications/tweaks, I would be fairly unhappy. I don't think you'll understand the difference until you're actually changing your phone significantly as a whole then have to consider going back. A lot of things you won't know you even wanted until you find that they're possible... and a lot of things you'll look at and not even care about, despite them being popular to other people. That's what rooting is to me. Choices and options... in a world where Apple and even Google think that less is more.
I think if you're willing to experiment and put a significant amount of time in doing so, you should dive in and find out what you like. But if you're on the ropes about it, then you might not get into it.

jljtgr said:
Tirade incoming...
I'm probably in the minority, but I won't buy a phone I cannot root. The idea that the phone that I paid $1000 for up front is under the control of other companies seems wrong to me. I have full control over my computers... my ISP doesn't tell me what I can run on it and can't force me to use their DNS; Microsoft doesn't tell me that I'm breaking a EULA by running admin programs; my bank's website doesn't refuse to load because I'm running a lot of browser extensions that can modify the page. Google says they respect that people want control over their phones but they also say they respect app creator's wanting to run on an unmodified device. I throw those companies to the wind and don't look back. If only Google would stop blocking access to things and requiring us to use root to gain them back. They give and take features almost constantly and it often feels like a losing battle.
Ideology aside, there are so many small things that can be done through rooting. The next best alternative is either awkward or non-existent. I could name them off, but each thing on their own is easily dismissable is about preference. But if I had to use a phone that had none of my modifications/tweaks, I would be fairly unhappy. I don't think you'll understand the difference until you're actually changing your phone significantly as a whole then have to consider going back. A lot of things you won't know you even wanted until you find that they're possible... and a lot of things you'll look at and not even care about, despite them being popular to other people. That's what rooting is to me. Choices and options... in a world where Apple and even Google think that less is more.
I think if you're willing to experiment and put a significant amount of time in doing so, you should dive in and find out what you like. But if you're on the ropes about it, then you might not get into it.
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To make that clear. I rooted every android phone I owned up to now. There has been always a thing that bothered me about the stock ROM.
But this time I feel like everything is working out of the box. (Except face unlock for ing, which sux)
I get your point and you are totally right. But I'm not sure if I want to change so much and having to update on my own and other things is to much work for me.

SeppGoPro said:
To make that clear. I rooted every android phone I owned up to now. There has been always a thing that bothered me about the stock ROM.
But this time I feel like everything is working out of the box. (Except face unlock for ing, which sux)
I get your point and you are totally right. But I'm not sure if I want to change so much and having to update on my own and other things is to much work for me.
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I hear you. Rooting used to be fun and easy but it's more work than I want to deal with at this point.
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It takes me longer the download the stock image to do updates with than it takes me to re-root the phone after the update. I wonder why it seems like a lot of work to you.
PS. My broadband ISP is slow....

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It takes me longer the download the stock image to do updates with than it takes me to re-root the phone after the update. I wonder why it seems like a lot of work to you.
PS. My broadband ISP is slow....
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It takes more time, which you actively have to spend. It's not like ow there is an update. Ok install done.
You have to go through all steps. You have to e.g. change settings in build.prop again. Flash kernel or what ever.
One example with rooted and problems with apps I'm always unsure if it's due to root or due to the rom. Stuff like this.

I don't have to do either of those things. My build.prop changes are systemlessly handled by a Magisk module that just works as soon as I'm rooted again. YMMV.
I've spent more time writing in this thread than my monthly process takes. If you don't have that time, then fine. You've answered your own question?

I've rooted all my devices except the pixel ones. There's absolutely no need for me to root a pixel device, everything is working as I want out of the box. That's one reason that development for the pixel 4/xl is nearly non existent.

ROOT! #1 reason Fingerface for fingerprint only APIs, other than that I agree the Pixel phones don't need any modifications. I hope the Pixel 5 will bring back the FP, face unlock sucks with a mask!

dave5777 said:
ROOT! #1 reason Fingerface for fingerprint only APIs, other than that I agree the Pixel phones don't need any modifications. I hope the Pixel 5 will bring back the FP, face unlock sucks with a mask!
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Yes this would be the only reason for me.

first reason finger face
second reason motion sense..
now on android beta 2.5 not rooted

Why choose android if you are going to use a limited system?
If i could live without root i would just go iPhone way

fuarkgl3 said:
Why choose android if you are going to use a limited system?
If i could live without root i would just go iPhone way
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Cause the limited system will do what most people need it to do

dave5777 said:
ROOT! #1 reason Fingerface for fingerprint only APIs, other than that I agree the Pixel phones don't need any modifications. I hope the Pixel 5 will bring back the FP, face unlock sucks with a mask!
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Pull it down for half a sec.

Mackay53 said:
Cause the limited system will do what most people need it to do
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Again. If you are going to use a limited system why choose android over iOS?
I don't understand your reply

fuarkgl3 said:
Again. If you are going to use a limited system why choose android over iOS?
I don't understand your reply
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Because many people like what Android has to offer over iOS, simple. Rooting isn't as useful as what it used to be

Does google pay work currently root? Magisk hide?
Or is that out of the question now...

xtravbx said:
Does google pay work currently root? Magisk hide?
Or is that out of the question now...
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From what I've been reading it's going to be hard to get Google Pay to work with root. I only use root to bring back the 2 button gesture using a Magisk module. I don't know if it's worth it anymore.

xtravbx said:
Does google pay work currently root? Magisk hide?
Or is that out of the question now...
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Google pay works right now for me and I'm rooted running 11 beta 2.5.

fr0st420 said:
From what I've been reading it's going to be hard to get Google Pay to work with root. I only use root to bring back the 2 button gesture using a Magisk module. I don't know if it's worth it anymore.
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I want to root so I can run ProtonVPN (or any VPN really) alongside Adguard. You can't run them side x side without root....
Admittedly a little sick of the whole big brother thing, so wouldn't mind obscuring my traffic a bit.