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sign this thing guys

i dont know if this is already well known but i just came across it. here is a petition for motorola mobility to unlock the bootloaders. sign if you like, i just did.
http://www.change.org/petitions/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2

This is very well known. Belongs in the general section, and there are already three other threads qwith this. And bout ten threads that turned into talks like this. All unlock talk has already discussed
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Sorry, just trying to help. My search turned up no threads like this, and theres really no reason to be a **** about it.

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Sign my butt. This isn't going to work. People have been complaining about locked bootloaders on a plethora of Moto phones for years, and an online petition won't make any sort of difference.

shobon said:
Sign my butt. This isn't going to work. People have been complaining about locked bootloaders on a plethora of Moto phones for years, and an online petition won't make any sort of difference.
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This

Not being a ****. Just blunt. There are so many and people have been told alot so its too much to write a nice letter each time.
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edit: hope i didnt offend you though. im really just a blunt person, no harm :]

We have been signing petitions since the OG Droid. Never worked.
Rocking with my M3 and XDA app

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I don't have any issue with the concept of this, and I signed it, although I don't think moto cares given the size of the actual modding population. However, why do people throw around the word 'rights' so much? Really, it's a right? No it's a want... I know I'll prolly get derided for this but still... Right?

This convo has been had millions of times. really doesnt need to be repeated to the same effect where it changes nothin

Agreed.
Noble intentions, wasted time.
Either googlerolla will deliver or they won't.
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shobon said:
Sign my butt. This isn't going to work. People have been complaining about locked bootloaders on a plethora of Moto phones for years, and an online petition won't make any sort of difference.
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I agree with you 100%.
I still signed.
That's how frustrated I feel at all this. I'm reminded of my time with the orginal milestone. Checking internet every day to see if someone fgured out how to shoehorn froyo onto the thing. For some reason I thought moto would change... maybe it was because they said they would.
Yeah its a long shot for this petition to do anything, I very sincerely doubt it will. But I would love to be wrong. It only takes two seconds to sign it.

Signed also

While I've signed the petition, I have a ready-made solution that nobody has seemed to mention yet... stop buying Motorola devices.
I've enjoyed Moto's offerings since the OG Droid days, mainly because of the superior build quality, but due to Moto's lock down on devices, and their lack of willingness to placate us, the way HTC has done, the D3 will be the last Motorola device I purchase. Let's face it, performance-wise, Moto doesn't build top-notch machines, the screen quality is sub par, and support is non-existent. Build quality is the ONLY thing they have going for them, and with Samsung making moves to improve their own build quality, I don't see any reason to stick around.
Motorola is not going to change their stance on this matter, and as such, the only way we can really make them listen, is by hitting them where it hurts...their wallets. I believe over 10,000 people have signed the petition (not a huge number, compared to global Moto sales), but 10,000 units at $150 each, equates to $1,500,000 in revenue. Again, that number may be small by comparison, but I'm sure a $1.5m decrease would get someone's attention.
My advice to anyone who's upset enough to sign this petition, is to move to a company with a better track record of being development friendly. Quad-core offerings are on the horizon, and a new Nexus device should be spotted around Christmas...I'll be saving my money, and WILL be jumping ship as soon as I can. The Moto journey has been "fun", but it's time to trade build quality for better performance and support. I'm done buying phones that are (essentially) dead on arrival, and obsolete within 3 months of release... I urge the rest of you to follow suit.
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I signed it but it will not work every phone i have gotten they stop suporting it and i have had my droid 3 for a few mouths and some keys are not working right i have to hit them 3 to 4 times when i get the money and its very unlikly im going with a new phone with a unlocked bootloader or one with one that can have a good work a round but the droid 3 is a good phone dont get me worng i just need a unlocked bootloader that way i will have custom kernels and working cm9
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I would if HTC or samsung had a proper high end QWERTY phone

DoubleYouPee said:
I would if HTC or samsung had a proper high end QWERTY phone
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THAT!
i like HTC better than samsung, and being a fan of HTC since the S710 times...and having HTC dev around is pretty helpful.
BUT:
http://www.androidauthority.com/htc-drops-qwerty-phones-78268/
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http://www.gsmarena.com/at_t_htc_one_x_not_part_of_htcs_bootloader_unlocking_program-news-4210.php
so...their methods are not perfect at all

DoubleYouPee said:
I would if HTC or samsung had a proper high end QWERTY phone
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Yes! That's my main issue . However a soft keyboard is looking more and more possible as there won't be any other options...

[Q] Root Timeline Estimates

First I want to say I know there is no way to predict this but since the phone is popular I figured there would be enough developers and users interested in getting this done.
How long Does everyone think it might take?
1 Month?, 2 Months?, 3 Months?, 6 Months?, 8 Months?, 1 Year?
UPDATE: This Question is Specifically for the AT&T Model of the Moto X since it currently has a locked boot loader which to my limited knowledge makes achieving root harder.

Well, Canadian phones are rooted.
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As always, eta is "when it's ready." Unless you have the skills and willing to volunteer your time to make a root, I suggest you sit back and enjoy the motoX as is. There's a lot to like.

Icon000 said:
First I want to say I know there is no way to predict this but since the phone is popular I figured there would be enough developers and users interested in getting this done.
How long Does everyone think it might take?
1 Month?, 2 Months?, 3 Months?, 6 Months?, 8 Months?, 1 Year?
UPDATE: This Question is Specifically for the AT&T Model of the Moto X since it currently has a locked boot loader which to my limited knowledge makes achieving root harder.
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Maybe if you are getting antsy with wanting it done perhaps you can start a bounty by getting people to put a few bucks into a pool and whoever gets it unlocked and/or rooted gets the prize money.

jonnyg1097 said:
Maybe if you are getting antsy with wanting it done perhaps you can start a bounty by getting people to put a few bucks into a pool and whoever gets it unlocked and/or rooted gets the prize money.
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If I was smart like a geek I'd figure it out....but I'm not!! So I'll donate to the cause if a bounty is started!!!
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jonnyg1097 said:
Maybe if you are getting antsy with wanting it done perhaps you can start a bounty by getting people to put a few bucks into a pool and whoever gets it unlocked and/or rooted gets the prize money.
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If I had money left over from buying the phone, I would. I was more curious about what other people think since when I got my SG3 it was about 6 months later and tons of devs had kicked out a bunch of stuff for it already. I didn't know if that pace was typical for popular phones.

I'm going to wait to start a bounty. This is a thriving community and we all want to help each other out. Unless someone finds root and decides to hold out for a bounty (BS) I think we'll find something. Bounties are to grab the attention of people like @djrbliss. That have bigger fish to fry. ( speaking of....come by and show moto up again!!!)
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Dissapointed in this community regarding verizon samsung devices.

I have a Samsung Galaxy Note 5 running android 6.0.1, Model Number SM-N920V, Build number MMB29K.N920VVRS2BPF4 and a Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 running android 6.0.1, Model Number SM-T817V, Build Number MMB29K.T817VVRU2BPE1.
I have read several numerous threads on many sites of completely dead threads about rooting these devices and why they can't be rooted from 2015 and earlier. I have also seen several FAKE sites claiming rooting of these devices when NO ONE has made it possible to root either of these even with bounty threads in this community being 25k$ or more.
From my understanding this community is usually good when it comes to this stuff and yet verizon samsung devices so far from what i've seen have gotten absolutely no love regardless especially the Note 5 and Tab S2.
This community is better than this so whats with the stalling and dead threads regarding these devices seriously.

I get disappointed by threads like this. A long time ago people honored not posting "begging people to do shet for me" threads.

Maybe you should go after Verizon for locking their devices down instead of the community.

What a whining 5th grade rant this is by OP. He deserves what he gets if, before paying money to Verizon, he doesn't bother to check the hundreds of threads which castigate Verizon for their abominable customer service and hacked O/S quirks.

I've had both these devices for almoust 2 years.
As for people's comments about this being '5th grade', this community is starting to look 3rd grade with the ammount of threads with one post asking about the same thing, "whats the hold up with verizon devices".
Instead of getting all butthurt because you can't take criticism, and making all these excuses as to why it can't be done (because lets face it this is linux and this **** is rediculous that no one has figured it out yet) you should either attempt to figure it out or not bother commenting.
Cause negative reactions from community members to my criticism based on MY OPINION only creates drama.
I'm sorry if you got "triggered" by what i said but i still stand by the fact that i am dissapointed and that the fact that no one has figured is rediculous.
Now, if i'm wrong i'd prefer people link some threads that i may have missed rather than people get butthurt and make rediculous comments.

Best to stick to nexus/pixel phones if you want development.

Belldandu the point is this forum costs you nothing, dev's owe you nothing, and you have absolutely ZERO right to criticize. When I find a dev has taken the time to support one of my many devices, I'm super grateful. When they don't, or can't, I suck it up and move on to my next toy. You have no right to be upset over someone failing to provide you with free upgrades. If a $25k bounty can't get the job done, I'm damned sure your whining won't either.
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Calm down everyone OP is just saying his opinion and OP you might want to post this in Galaxy Note 5 section LOL right?

The thread is for both the note 5 and the tab s2 so i didn't know where to post it really.

I'd just like to say that the guys out there rooting, hacking and ROM'ing are awesome. Not only do they spend hours of their personal time acquiring the skills to know how to do these things, they then spend hours of their lives writing it up, bothering to share it with the world in language noobs can understand and even helping others copy what they've done on forums like this.
You guys rock.
So many devices out there, every week, if one is a crippled piece of **** I don't blame you for skipping it to work on something that allows you to achieve something awesome.
*I am a useless noob that would be lost without you.

OnePlus terminating dev seeding program

As title says, OnePlus will no longer provide devices for developers. Info here: https://twitter.com/topjohnwu/status/1067440574729457664

justibasa said:
As title says, OnePlus will no longer provide devices for developers. Info here: https://twitter.com/topjohnwu/status/1067440574729457664
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Better send devices to reviewers

justibasa said:
As title says, OnePlus will no longer provide devices for developers. Info here: https://twitter.com/topjohnwu/status/1067440574729457664
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Time to find a new Dev friendly company. OP gonna f themselves with this move. The only reason they are so popular is because of the devs.

So .. we are mad because a company won't give you free stuff? This won't be a popular post, but it's true 99% of the people that use this phone will never care about any development. It would benefit the company to give the free phones to reviewers (where sales can be made) Even if everyone on this forum and the one plus forum didnt buy the device...it woukdnt pjase rhem one bit. #quethehate

They are killing the enthusiastic culture for money.

suzook said:
Time to find a new Dev friendly company. OP gonna f themselves with this move. The only reason they are so popular is because of the devs.
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Too bad there are not many choices out there compared to a few years ago.
I hope I'm wrong here,but, I could see this creeping towards locked bootloaders if OnePlus' data indicates the overwhelming majority of users run a stock/unrooted phone.
Certainly,the partnership with T-Mobile is paying off, I could see this expanding to more carriers & if the price is right,OnePlus would drop aftermarket development like a bad habit....

This is the dead for Oneplus. We will see no custom rom on 6t. Look at 6 thread, there are just 4 or 5 roms. Oneplus hype is over. I give return now my 6t. The 5t was the last with good custom rom support.

AnoopKumar said:
They are killing the enthusiastic culture for money.
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Assuming 20 dev devices sent out, there's likely over the double amount of bought devices because of the devs. Seems like for such a small investment in the dev community should be worth it? Hell, the negative PR due to ending the program should cost more.

jkeith1 said:
So .. we are mad because a company won't give you free stuff? This won't be a popular post, but it's true 99% of the people that use this phone will never care about any development. It would benefit the company to give the free phones to reviewers (where sales can be made) Even if everyone on this forum and the one plus forum didnt buy the device...it woukdnt pjase rhem one bit. #quethehate
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They're not giving you (us) free stuff. They were giving very well established developers free phones. They had the list of developers posted some where. It was a very short list (under 50 world wide). It's a 0.002% kind of numbers they were giving out. (Based on the OP6 selling 1 million phones in the first month. We'll say they sold 2 million total since then). They're definitely giving out many more review phones. And overall it's a drop in the bucket compared to other advertising spending.
A good break down of this is the Linus Tech Tips video on computer hardware rebranding. He does a very basic break down of the costs of launching new hardware. And how much of a return they get by getting reviewers to review old hardware with a new name. It's not exactly the same as here. But there are users out there who purchase a phone based on development.
I'm only one person, and this is purely anecdotal, but the only reason I even considered this phone was due OnePlus previous history of being very developer friendly. Even with the half off deal through T-Mobile, I was still on the fence about getting this over a Pixel. I'll evaluate how this goes over the next year and if anything, I'll swap from a 2-3 year phone user to only using this phone for a year and go pick up the Pixel 4 next year.

hartleyshc said:
They're not giving you (us) free stuff. They were giving very well established developers free phones. They had the list of developers posted some where. It was a very short list (under 50 world wide). It's a 0.002% kind of numbers they were giving out. (Based on the OP6 selling 1 million phones in the first month. We'll say they sold 2 million total since then). They're definitely giving out many more review phones. And overall it's a drop in the bucket compared to other advertising revenues.
A good break down of this is the Linus Tech Tips video on computer hardware rebranding. He does a very basic break down of the costs of launching new hardware. And how much of a return they get by getting reviewers to review old hardware with a new name. It's not exactly the same as here. But there are users out there who purchase a phone based on development.
I'm only one person, and this is purely anecdotal, but the only reason I even considered this phone was due OnePlus previous history of being very developer friendly. Even with the half off deal through T-Mobile, I was still on the fence about getting this over a Pixel. I'll evaluate how this goes over the next year and if anything, I'll swap from a 2-3 year phone user to only using this phone for a year and go pick up the Pixel 4 next year.
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I specifically use OP because I can mess with it, root it, change things. A month after the Galaxy phones come out, they drop to nearly what OP sells them for new. If I can't root my phone, why would I settle for the corners that OP cuts over a better - mostly everything - on a Samsung or Pixel? No reason in my mind.

hartleyshc said:
They're not giving you (us) free stuff. They were giving very well established developers free phones. They had the list of developers posted some where. It was a very short list (under 50 world wide). It's a 0.002% kind of numbers they were giving out. (Based on the OP6 selling 1 million phones in the first month. We'll say they sold 2 million total since then). They're definitely giving out many more review phones. And overall it's a drop in the bucket compared to other advertising spending.
A good break down of this is the Linus Tech Tips video on computer hardware rebranding. He does a very basic break down of the costs of launching new hardware. And how much of a return they get by getting reviewers to review old hardware with a new name. It's not exactly the same as here. But there are users out there who purchase a phone based on development.
I'm only one person, and this is purely anecdotal, but the only reason I even considered this phone was due OnePlus previous history of being very developer friendly. Even with the half off deal through T-Mobile, I was still on the fence about getting this over a Pixel. I'll evaluate how this goes over the next year and if anything, I'll swap from a 2-3 year phone user to only using this phone for a year and go pick up the Pixel 4 next year.
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Fair enough, good post.

SpectraFun said:
This is the dead for Oneplus. We will see no custom rom on 6t. Look at 6 thread, there are just 4 or 5 roms. Oneplus hype is over. I give return now my 6t. The 5t was the last with good custom rom support.
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Not to be rude but you seem to be posting very negative comments about custom roms and developers for the 6t. If you don't like the phone, return it. And as I've stated elsewhere, developers have been busting their butts trying to get twrp up and running. Which as of yesterday is now available. I personally don't see custom roms coming out until a permanent twrp was available. Now that that is, I'm sure there will be roms coming out in relatively short time. Personally I find your negative comments insulting to developers. Again if you are unhappy with the device then return it, no one's stopping you. I'm not trying to pick on you, I just find it frustrating and again demeaning to all the hard work that devs have been putting into making this phone available to use custom roms on. Rant done.
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ozzmanj1 said:
Not to be rude but you seem to be posting very negative comments about custom roms and developers for the 6t. If you don't like the phone, return it. And as I've stated elsewhere, developers have been busting their butts trying to get twrp up and running. Which as of yesterday is now available. I personally don't see custom roms coming out until a permanent twrp was available. Now that that is, I'm sure there will be roms coming out in relatively short time. Personally I find your negative comments insulting to developers. Again if you are unhappy with the device then return it, no one's stopping you. I'm not trying to pick on you, I just find it frustrating and again demeaning to all the hard work that devs have been putting into making this phone available to use custom roms on. Rant done.
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No point to waste your time man it's just another entitled user that thinks XDA is a place to make your phone cool not a developer forum.

ozzmanj1 said:
Not to be rude but you seem to be posting very negative comments about custom roms and developers for the 6t. If you don't like the phone, return it. And as I've stated elsewhere, developers have been busting their butts trying to get twrp up and running. Which as of yesterday is now available. I personally don't see custom roms coming out until a permanent twrp was available. Now that that is, I'm sure there will be roms coming out in relatively short time. Personally I find your negative comments insulting to developers. Again if you are unhappy with the device then return it, no one's stopping you. I'm not trying to pick on you, I just find it frustrating and again demeaning to all the hard work that devs have been putting into making this phone available to use custom roms on. Rant done.
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That's a lot nicer than I would have put it. Just didn't want to get banned. ??

Give it a year or so and the bootloaders will be unlockable.

I think a good amount of the posting is to "ruffle the feathers."
It's not like the ONLY people who develop a device are those that get a free device from the manufacturer.
If you want development on a phone that has flagship-like specs (good screen, latest snapdragon, above average camera) there isn't much selection in the USA. It's this or a Pixel or buy something abroad (e.g. Exynos based Galaxy). Otherwise your out of luck. As long as the bootloader remains easily unlocked and their devices are easily rooted I could care less.
Typical click-bait type of article with the expected response.

sssarg said:
Assuming 20 dev devices sent out, there's likely over the double amount of bought devices because of the devs. Seems like for such a small investment in the dev community should be worth it? Hell, the negative PR due to ending the program should cost more.
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The majority of their customers won't even understand what this means let alone care that OP stopped doing it. The impact it will have on their sales will be a rounding error. Yes, as a percentage of total units sold, OP likely has more customers that root/ROM vs companies like Samsung. However, it looks like they're trying to focus on the main part of the business and not deal with small things that don't drive significant sales. That puts a program like this on the chopping block.

I get why they might do this, however, the only reason I buy OnePlus devices is the development support. So if development dies, I don't buy anymore phones. We have multiple OP phones in the house. I bought the 5T and now the 6T before Lineage was out, sounds like I won't buy anymore devices until ROMs are available just to be certain. The problem with that is with the short development cycle by the time that happens OP maybe onto the next device...
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It's not like the ONLY people who develop a device are those that get a free device from the manufacturer.
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This is a very valid point.

threatening to not buy devices because of lack of development is like spitting into a hurricane; no one will notice, and it wont matter one bit..
once any of the enthusiast companies start to get large sales volume, and smell corporate business, their willingness to help enthusiasts of any sort diminishes greatly..If google thought they could land more giant corporate accounts by locking down the pixel phones like samsung did, they would do it in a minute..follow the money is what all my friends tell me now a days, and they are right..
You can be as outraged as you want to over OP deciding to drop "free" anything to developers; its not going to effect any change of any sort, so you might as well save your outrage for something else..sooner or later, all bootloaders will be locked, and you wont have any better choices..

Did everyone see the update from OnePlus?
“Apologies, we weren’t as clear as we could have been. We’ve temporarily scaled back our developer program while we work out how to make it even better in the future. We’ll be updating the selection criteria and communication channels with developers in our seeding program for better co-operation. We will restart the program and select Devs based on the new criteria and will work on providing the best possible support to community development efforts for OnePlus devices.” – OnePlus Spokesperson
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how long does it take?

i never owned a samsung flagship at launch, usually after 6 months and till then, there already was a strong community going on with root and lots of roms. how long does it take to get a community like that going? I test drive my phone after i get them for 2-3 days which is always a pain in the a**... because i'm used to all the benefits of a rooted device. but then proceed to rooting it and set it up fully the way i like it with all my data etc. I WANT ROOT :crying: from the past, can some one estimate how long it usually takes?
btw. congrats :highfive: to everyone who already got his device. and patience to those who are still waiting :angel:

3-7 weeks

that's very long

chieco said:
that's very long
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haha. It could very well be sooner. Be patient, it will come

chieco said:
i never owned a samsung flagship at launch, usually after 6 months and till then, there already was a strong community going on with root and lots of roms. how long does it take to get a community like that going? I test drive my phone after i get them for 2-3 days which is always a pain in the a**... because i'm used to all the benefits of a rooted device. but then proceed to rooting it and set it up fully the way i like it with all my data etc. I WANT ROOT :crying: from the past, can some one estimate how long it usually takes?
btw. congrats :highfive: to everyone who already got his device. and patience to those who are still waiting :angel:
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Is yours a Snapdragon device? I just traded a Note8 in for the S10 and while that phone had root available for a rather short time, there were no custom ROMs because the bootloader was not unlocked. The last time I checked over at that forum, there was one guy trying to unlock it. That's over a year and a half since the phone came out.
Samsung puts extra effort into securing their phones. Their focus is on the corporate and government customers and not the few enthusiasts who want to root their devices. If you need a phone that requires an unlocked bootloader, you'd probably want to look at suppliers that still support the enthusiast community. If your heart is set on a Sammy device, you're at the mercy of XDA developers who could crack the code in a week, a month, a year or more or never.
And before I get flamed on why I am at XDA if I don't want to root my phone, there's a lot of great discussion here about things that don't require root. I've done my share of modding and as I get older find the benefits don't outweigh the hassles anymore.