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Hi all,
I called AT&T yesterday because I was not receiving some of my text messages. I spoke to three different reps and they all told me that the Media Max 200 Bundle was not for my phone and that if I wanted to have the same features, I would have to pay $15 more a month. I asked when this came into effect and they said last June (2007). I told AT&T that no one had ever mentioned this before when I called in November 2007 (within my 30 days) about not receiving some of my text messages. Anyway, one of the reps removed my Media Max 200 Bundle without my permission and blocked all access to the internet and text messages. I told them that no one had mentioned this when I bought the phone in October 2007 but they did not care and they eventually hung up on me. They said that if they did not remove the bundle from my account, it would have been removed automatically on my next bill.
So, is T-mobile the only other U.S. carrier that I can use my tilt with? I love the tilt but I do not want to give my business to AT&T anymore! I just might have to sell my tilt.
monoeil said:
So, is T-mobile the only other U.S. carrier that I can use my tilt with? I love the tilt but I do not want to give my business to AT&T anymore! I just might have to sell my tilt.
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It's called don't ask, don't tell. Don't tell them you have a Tilt; tell them it's some other smart phone will be fine.
It's only marketing, not technical reasons, that the Kaiser can't use the same plan as the iPhone. It's especially so now that they have sim-only plans.
Besides, I would get a supervisor on the line since they're changing your plan without your permission, and lying about the automatic removal. It can only happen if you have a "disapproved" device on the plan.
This is the same crap that happened to me couple months ago. Good thing I am a business customer. Just threaten to cancel your plan and they'll gladly throw it back on your account.
I spoke to a supervisor and threatened to cancel but the supervisor hung up on me. I then called the closing account department but they did not help either.
PDA's by AT&T policy require the PDA-focused data plans (the ones that cost more), MediaNet packages are for non-smart devices that have AT&T MediaNet's capability...
I always warn people who buy the tilt that MediaMax works for some time, but eventually they will start to filter and catch people using that to save $15/month...
you could try changing your plan online.. and if you dont care about warranty services change your IMEI number saved on your account to something else (such as a razr)... that will also get them to add MediaNet back on
monoeil said:
Hi all,
I called AT&T yesterday because I was not receiving some of my text messages. I spoke to three different reps and they all told me that the Media Max 200 Bundle was not for my phone and that if I wanted to have the same features, I would have to pay $15 more a month. I asked when this came into effect and they said last June (2007). I told AT&T that no one had ever mentioned this before when I called in November 2007 (within my 30 days) about not receiving some of my text messages. Anyway, one of the reps removed my Media Max 200 Bundle without my permission and blocked all access to the internet and text messages. I told them that no one had mentioned this when I bought the phone in October 2007 but they did not care and they eventually hung up on me. They said that if they did not remove the bundle from my account, it would have been removed automatically on my next bill.
So, is T-mobile the only other U.S. carrier that I can use my tilt with? I love the tilt but I do not want to give my business to AT&T anymore! I just might have to sell my tilt.
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You are being a big baby if you ask me. You're whining talking about switching carriers and selling your phone because you got caught cheating. You were utilizing a plan at a lower cost when you were not supposed to. Then At&t does what their suppose to do. And you whine like a little girl?
Hey Y2flyy,
How did I get caught when no one told me in the beginning that I had to have a PDA plan with this phone? AT&T told me that I could have the Media Max Bundle when I bought the phone. How dare you question my integrity! You must be an employee for AT&T. AT&T is the one who has been dishonest and it was their mistake.
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You are being a big baby if you ask me. You're whining talking about switching carriers and selling your phone because you got caught cheating. You were utilizing a plan at a lower cost when you were not supposed to. Then At&t does what their suppose to do. And you whine like a little girl?
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He wasn't cheating...more like using your book in an open book test. Sure you could take the test without it, but you won't get anything extra.
NuShrike said it best, don't tell them you have a Tilt. It's that simple.
Now, if you have Media Max but you're streaming TV and using exorbitant amounts of data, THEN they'll definitely get suspicious. Also, using isp.cingular instead of wap.cingluar as your gateway will also raise flags. But then sometimes you get unlucky and get caught up in an audit. It happens.
I wanted to change my plan to add unlimited text messages but when I went to an AT&T kiosk at the local mall I was told "You have a Tilt, you can't have Medianet". Yet I've had Medianet for almost 2 years with an 8125 and now my Tilt. They didn't change anything on my plan though so I am still using the same Medianet unlimited for $20 and 200 text messages for $5. I don't actually have a bundle which is what PPC phones aren't supposed to be able to do. I rarely use the phone's internet for more than email and an occasional trip to Google or Google Maps. I used 5 MB of data last month. I refuse to pay $40 for the PDA Connect plan for the privilege when I have been using Medianet for this whole time.
I cannot believe someone would say he is crying like a baby; he is actually exercising his right to be an informed consumer. I've had the MEdia Max 200 plan ever since it came out...and I've had a touch screen PDA at that time as well (HTC Blue Angel, Siemens SX66). My view is if I was allowed to get the plan with a Windows Mobile device then, and it grandfathers into my account with my 8525 and now my Tilt, there should be no justifiable reason for them to hike my price up to 40 a month. Can you honestly tell me that my device costs more revenue for them to provision that it did just a couple of devices ago? I may surf online everynow and then, but I only use the data for e-mail and news-fetchers. These companies "struck gold" when they first figured out that people would pay good money for wireless internet...and then just like the greedy _____'s that they have shown themselves to be they jack up the price...simple economics, supply and demand. I feel that anyone who does not investigate to protect themselves may as well be bending over without any pants on, they are just asking to get screwed over. If you don't watch out for yourself as a consumer, who will?
ive had my same 19.99 media unlimited since my 8525 and unlimited family text for $30.00.. i now have a tilt and the girlfriend has the 8525 and yesterday her txts stop working completely.. i went to at&t got a new sim.. and now it works just fine.. no plan changes happened and ive been checking wireless.att.com just to be sure
lmao ok, let me tell you how it happened and why:
Your phone wasn't recieving or sending text messages. A simple, and common problem. But what your mistake was telling him or showing him that you have the tilt. Now, at that point, the rep is going to seek a data plan. Why? Because ATT punishes it's rep that don't hit a certain quota in features. It's almost across the board. When I used to work there, it was around $20 a day minimum. So he decided to "offer you" the next data because you have a pda device. You turned it down. So he took the data off. And stated that you have an incorrect data plan.
Now here's the "wobbly part".
1. No rep is allowed to remove OR add a feature without the permission of the customer. At the VERY MINIMUM, the customer must be informed of the action prior to it taking place. Doing so without notification of the customer is considered fraud and an employee is deemed to be in violation of AT&T's code of ethics and if found responsible, can be terminated. ( If anyone wants to argue this, I've had half of my old store get fired for shady tactics INCLUDING the manager ).
2. If they tell you that your Tilt isn't covered under the plan, just say you normally use the tilt for a week and then switch to your razr or some other made up phone. If they offer to add the pda feature for a short time, decline and say that it would be a waste of time and money. Also note that the same problem happens regardless of what phone your using.
3. Don't take that crap. There are ALOT of good reps and ALOT of bad ones. Bad ones are made BECAUSE of AT&T's retarded and asanine procedures and punishments for not making them more $$$. Trust us, many of us don't like AT&T any more than you do. If I liked my customer cuz they made my job easy, i'd go out of my way to make sure their job was easy and their bill was smaller. But if you got a bad rep who screwed you over and didn't apologize, well, it's all fair game. Call your the AT&T mobility VP of your region and say that such and such removed your feature without your permission. And state that you switch phones.
ONE WORD OF WARNING: DO NOT USE THE "I've Been a Customer for......blah blah years...." approach. Trust me. That has to be the SINGLE MOST OVERUSED LINE in the business. And most reps and managers don't care. We don't lose out because you want to quit. And we won't get penalized for it. That's the retentions dept. Not Sales or Customer Service. In fact, we used to be able to cancel accounts on the spot, but because we did it so willingly, they took that option away.
And that's your sign.
P.S. I quit working for AT&T Mobility for my own reasons. And I use the AT&T Media Max Plan.
Do this:
1. Log into your account on cingular.com (attwireless.com)
2. Go to "change phone" (make sure your phone is currently off) and change it to a flip phone (Razr, etc)
3. Go to the features page and make the change to your account (add MediaNet, remove the PDA plan if they changed it to that)
4. Save and logoff.
5. Start your phone and enjoy.
They noticed my "MediaNet" stuff in store and said they would need to make a change. I told them I was switching to my smartphone.
The website will pick up whatever phone you're using (goes to the network when your phone comes online), but you can always change it in the way I described. This unlocks the features on the website.
This wouldn't be necessary if their PDA plan wasn't grossly overpriced compared to competitors. My data-usage is around 3mb/month, hardly in need of their PDA package. So I haven't been flagged yet. I assume if you have a large usage (Internet Sharing, etc), they may take notice.
And remember, never admit to having a TILT. I bought mine on Ebay, so there's no record of me even buying one. I can easily just claim their website is wrong and I have a 2125 or something.
monoeil said:
Hi all,
I called AT&T yesterday because I was not receiving some of my text messages. I spoke to three different reps and they all told me that the Media Max 200 Bundle was not for my phone and that if I wanted to have the same features, I would have to pay $15 more a month. I asked when this came into effect and they said last June (2007). I told AT&T that no one had ever mentioned this before when I called in November 2007 (within my 30 days) about not receiving some of my text messages. Anyway, one of the reps removed my Media Max 200 Bundle without my permission and blocked all access to the internet and text messages. I told them that no one had mentioned this when I bought the phone in October 2007 but they did not care and they eventually hung up on me. They said that if they did not remove the bundle from my account, it would have been removed automatically on my next bill.
So, is T-mobile the only other U.S. carrier that I can use my tilt with? I love the tilt but I do not want to give my business to AT&T anymore! I just might have to sell my tilt.
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You actually have grounds to get out of your contract without paying the ETL fee now. They changed the plan that you agreed to for two years, and in every cell phone contract that is cause for termination.
NuShrike said:
It's called don't ask, don't tell. Don't tell them you have a Tilt; tell them it's some other smart phone will be fine.
It's only marketing, not technical reasons, that the Kaiser can't use the same plan as the iPhone. It's especially so now that they have sim-only plans.
Besides, I would get a supervisor on the line since they're changing your plan without your permission, and lying about the automatic removal. It can only happen if you have a "disapproved" device on the plan.
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WOW! Same thing happened to me yesterday, a supervisor removed it from my plan even though I said not to. He claimed it would automatically be removed at the end of the month anyway and I would be charged EXTRA because of the error??!!? WOWWWWWWWW
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WOW! Same thing happened to me yesterday, a supervisor removed it from my plan even though I said not to. He claimed it would automatically be removed at the end of the month anyway and I would be charged EXTRA because of the error??!!? WOWWWWWWWW
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It's especially wrong if you have a working "smartphone" that you're using like my Sony Ericsson.
if one would like to put this into perspective:
- DSL High Speed Pro - from AT&T Yahoo, with speeds of Up to 3.0 Mbps downstream and Up to 512 Kbps upstream for & 25
- Media Net/3G from AT&t wireless with speeds of Up to 760 ?! KBps downstream for $ 40.....
Now from the Infra-structure, which one is costs less for AT&T?! Wireless
Now from the content and traffic perspective, which one does more for you? Obviously the DSL. I have a PS3 and my kid does a lot of on-line. THAT IS CALLED LOTS a traffic....You can stream LOTS a stuff, and so on, and the traffic can get up into GBs a day...
So it seems that we have to pay a LOT more for a LOT less, right?!
Just these days, did you just see AT&T earnings numbers?! The growth in wireless revenues was driven in part by heavier use of data services like downloads and text messaging... GO FIGURE...
There is a name for this. It's called R I P O F F ..................
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You actually have grounds to get out of your contract without paying the ETL fee now. They changed the plan that you agreed to for two years, and in every cell phone contract that is cause for termination.
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That would be true, but the features are not the contracted portion of the plan. The voice plan is the part you contracted for.
Ok, so lets clear some stuff up here. First off, the reason why you couldnt send messages no more was because of the wrong plan. Att is now doing sweeps and seeing what devices customers are using and what media plans they are on. They started doing this about 2 or 3 months ago. So as far as att knows the rep who sold you the phone put you on the right plan or atleast informed you about being on the pda plan, but you still decided to get the cheaper plan. Even if you say you didnt, its basically your word against att's. So either sell your phone or get on the right plan bro. Att is getting real strict now on what media plans are used. They have a team just especially for that. They weed out the customers using the wrong plans and switching them over to the right one. Also as far as the them not charging you the ETF because of the change of plan, first your using a PDA device that clearly states "pda package required". You werent on that so thats why they blocked all that until you get on the right package. So technically theyll charge you the ETF.
If you read your terms and conditions in that little book or contract it clearly states "we can change or drop anything without any notice at anytime". Trust me, att has their a$$ covered when it comes to stuff like this. So like i said bro either get on the right plan or sell your phone bro. Sucks that it has to be like that but many customers screwing att with the wrong has finally had its toll and now were seeing their iron fist come into play.
Thanks all for the input and advice! So, can the tilt work with any other U.S. carrier besides T-mobile?
I know most of us have rooted roms and tethering is not a problem but just in case you dont want to circumvent the system T-Mobile now has free tethering with unlimited data plans. At least thats what they told me yesterday and added to my regular No-Contract acct. Call them up and check it out or sign up online and see. I was told its a feature that was just added on for them this month. My boy added it to his Iphone so I know it does work...
Hope it helps someone.... If this is old info my bad:good:
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I know most of us have rooted roms and tethering is not a problem but just in case you dont want to circumvent the system T-Mobile now has free tethering with unlimited data plans. At least thats what they told me yesterday and added to my regular No-Contract acct. Call them up and check it out or sign up online and see. I was told its a feature that was just added on for them this month. My boy added it to his Iphone so I know it does work...
Hope it helps someone.... If this is old info my bad:good:
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You may find you answer in the t-mobile thread
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Great disregard my post if this is known
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playya said:
I know most of us have rooted roms and tethering is not a problem but just in case you dont want to circumvent the system T-Mobile now has free tethering with unlimited data plans. At least thats what they told me yesterday and added to my regular No-Contract acct. Call them up and check it out or sign up online and see. I was told its a feature that was just added on for them this month. My boy added it to his Iphone so I know it does work...
Hope it helps someone.... If this is old info my bad:good:
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they include 500mb tethering in their plan. more than that, you need to pay. 500mb isnt much.
I know that my statement is that unlimited data vets you free tethering...at least it did for me.. Just an FYI to others call and check
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playya said:
I know that my statement is that unlimited data vets you free tethering...at least it did for me.. Just an FYI to others call and check
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Only for the first 500, as stated above.
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Only for the first 500, as stated above.
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Not sure how else to say this but here we go. Yesterday while in the T- Mobile store the rep I formed me of a recent change. Anyone with unlimited internet can now get tethering for free.... Unlimited tethering and not the first 509 as stated on the web by T-Mobile. I am not a rookie and was simply passing this on .Now if you have asked a rep today and they told you different then fine. But if your statements are based on anything prior to today ease refrain til you ask. Now I am simply posting as said prior as an FYI.... If I am wrong and it slows down after then my info was incorrect but until then I am going with what I was told... Again just trying to help I am on vacation now but will check my acct later and post screenshots if applicable
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Yes you get 500mb of tethering but there are questions as to T-mobile can truly track it since the Nexus 4 does not switch APNs when tethering like other phones do
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playya said:
Not sure how else to say this but here we go. Yesterday while in the T- Mobile store the rep I formed me of a recent change. Anyone with unlimited internet can now get tethering for free.... Unlimited tethering and not the first 509 as stated on the web by T-Mobile. I am not a rookie and was simply passing this on .Now if you have asked a rep today and they told you different then fine. But if your statements are based on anything prior to today ease refrain til you ask. Now I am simply posting as said prior as an FYI.... If I am wrong and it slows down after then my info was incorrect but until then I am going with what I was told... Again just trying to help I am on vacation now but will check my acct later and post screenshots if applicable
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There IS a recent change in the fine print language that indeed allows 500MB of tethering on 'Unlimited' data accounts, and I believe this is what the rep was referring to, whether intentional or not. It likely will never be 'unlimited tether' due to the fact of network restraints, and they have repeatedly indicated they do NOT want to be anyone's ISP for home-based bandwidth. Widespread 'unlimited tether' would bring this network to its knees in mere days. Please consider that this rep wasn't completely knowledgeable/forthcoming.
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There IS a recent change in the fine print language that indeed allows 500MB of tethering on 'Unlimited' data accounts, and I believe this is what the rep was referring to, whether intentional or not. It likely will never be 'unlimited tether' due to the fact of network restraints, and they have repeatedly indicated they do NOT want to be anyone's ISP for home-based bandwidth. Widespread 'unlimited tether' would bring this network to its knees in mere days. Please consider that this rep wasn't completely knowledgeable/forthcoming.
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Quite true it was hard for me to test since I am rooted and I am having my friend test on his IPhone. Easy to think the rep may of told me something wrong. Either way its more than what we had before Thx...
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playya said:
Quite true it was hard for me to test since I am rooted and I am having my friend test on his IPhone. Easy to think the rep may of told me something wrong. Either way its more than what we had before Thx...
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Welp, I did some quick google-digging, and DID come up with an interesting change in terms on all plans BUT the Unlimited Nationwide 4G, which still maintains the 500MB limit:
http://deals.t-mobile.com/unlimited-4g-data-no-contract
This page indicates all other 'Unlimited' data plans (no UN4G) can tether to their full rate...and fall back to 2G when the bucket empties. I'm happy to be wrong, playya! LOL!
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Aw man: again misleading..the fine print:
"Smartphone Mobile Hotspot: (Tethering/Wi-Fi Sharing): Qualifying plan required. Plan data allotment applies.; Unlimited 4G data plan includes 500 MB of tethering. No roaming. Use of connected devices subject to T-Mobile Terms and Conditions."
This statement can be read several ways, naturally...TMO really needs to step up and simplify this silly language.
wideasleep1 said:
Welp, I did some quick google-digging, and DID come up with an interesting change in terms on all plans BUT the Unlimited Nationwide 4G, which still maintains the 500MB limit:
http://deals.t-mobile.com/unlimited-4g-data-no-contract
This page indicates all other 'Unlimited' data plans (no UN4G) can tether to their full rate...and fall back to 2G when the bucket empties. I'm happy to be wrong, playya! LOL!
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Fyi- it was never about right or wrong just trying to pass some info along that I was given. Thx for the link and hope it helps others... Make the switch for free......
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playya said:
Fyi- it was never about right or wrong just trying to pass some info along that I was given. Thx for the link and hope it helps others... Make the switch for free......
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Gotcha...correct info is more important than right/wrong. I just recall several months back a thread where users were bemoaning paying for Unlimited Nationwide 4G and not getting ANY tethering...even when they wished to pay extra for it...it simply wasn't offered (assumed too abusive to the network). Even I was shocked they changed and allowed 500MB on that UN4G plan. Cheers!
I have the $30 pre paid 5 gig plan and you can add tethering for $15 a month. I have used it though with apps just during power outages. I never had an issue but I don't come close to using the 5 gigs anyways.
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playya said:
I know most of us have rooted roms and tethering is not a problem but just in case you dont want to circumvent the system T-Mobile now has free tethering with unlimited data plans. At least thats what they told me yesterday and added to my regular No-Contract acct. Call them up and check it out or sign up online and see. I was told its a feature that was just added on for them this month. My boy added it to his Iphone so I know it does work...
Hope it helps someone.... If this is old info my bad:good:
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Thanks @playaa:thumbup:
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Thanks @playaa:thumbup:
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No prob glad it helped
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No prob glad it helped
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I just added it to my plan. I chatted with them first to confirm that it could later be canceled without affecting the basic plan. They prorated the first monthly fee because I'm already in middle of the billing period.
It annoys me that they make it so hard to find exact terms and conditions. At the moment, the blurb on the signup page doesn't say anything about limiting the high speeds to the first 500 MB, just says "Plan data allotment applies." The allotment is first 5 GB at up to 4G speed; time will tell if I get that with other connected devices.
How would they even know (sorry if that's an ignorant question)? Truth be told, I've been tethering all afternoon since my DSL went down. I decided to make it "official" when I found out it could take a couple of days to get my regular DSL back up again, but I didn't have any problems throughout the afternoon tethering a laptop and a tablet. Other than suddenly seeing a surge of use, how would they know I have tethered devices?
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I just added it to my plan. I chatted with them first to confirm that it could later be canceled without affecting the basic plan. They prorated the first monthly fee because I'm already in middle of the billing period.
It annoys me that they make it so hard to find exact terms and conditions. At the moment, the blurb on the signup page doesn't say anything about limiting the high speeds to the first 500 MB, just says "Plan data allotment applies." The allotment is first 5 GB at up to 4G speed; time will tell if I get that with other connected devices.
How would they even know (sorry if that's an ignorant question)? Truth be told, I've been tethering all afternoon since my DSL went down. I decided to make it "official" when I found out it could take a couple of days to get my regular DSL back up again, but I didn't have any problems throughout the afternoon tethering a laptop and a tablet. Other than suddenly seeing a surge of use, how would they know I have tethered devices?
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They randomly check user agent strings. I started getting the warning texts a few months ago (was on value unlimited which doesn't have a tethering allotment) and then they blocked me from accessing Internet Explorer from my laptop via mobile hotspot (but could still use Chrome or my iPad). One phone called they switched me to Simple Choice and kept my contract term so I didn't have to pay a migration fee.
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I just switched to unlimited 4g a few weeks ago and I've occasionally gotten rerouted to a page that says I don't have tethering or I've reached my data limit. Disabling tethering and reloading the page works to bypass the page I'm using native android tether, and that's the only problem I've seen so far.
Does anyone have any information on when Foxfi will be working again for phones with KitKat? My app broke when i updated to KitKat.
Have you tried emailing the app maker?
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Have you tried emailing the app maker?
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i have, and they have yet to respond. it doesn't work. hoping someone comes up with a workaround as i'm trying to see how long i can go without rooting this phone.
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i have, and they have yet to respond. it doesn't work. hoping someone comes up with a workaround as i'm trying to see how long i can go without rooting this phone.
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My post on another forum below. I've been emailing the creator/current holder of FoxFi and they're incompetent.
FoxFi does NOT work on Verizon. It asks for credential passwords (of which there is no answer for) or to enable native tethering which just results in a subscription check. I've brought this to the Foxfi developer's attention, and it's not been fun. We've exchanged multiple emails back and forth and it seems I'm dealing with someone who doesn't understand English or is just bad at reading. They keep answering everything but what I ask. First they said I can update to Kit Kat and FoxFi wifi tethering would work - false. I replied telling them this and also explained that FoxFi is asking for a credential password after having me create a lock screen with password (also new). Their reply - I can remove the lock screen by entering the wrong password 5-10 times. Again, not even close or relevant to what I asked. I'm just about done speaking with them and wouldn't consider buying FoxFi if support can't even be bothered to respond coherently.
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My post on another forum below. I've been emailing the creator/current holder of FoxFi and they're incompetent.
FoxFi does NOT work on Verizon. It asks for credential passwords (of which there is no answer for) or to enable native tethering which just results in a subscription check. I've brought this to the Foxfi developer's attention, and it's not been fun. We've exchanged multiple emails back and forth and it seems I'm dealing with someone who doesn't understand English or is just bad at reading. They keep answering everything but what I ask. First they said I can update to Kit Kat and FoxFi wifi tethering would work - false. I replied telling them this and also explained that FoxFi is asking for a credential password after having me create a lock screen with password (also new). Their reply - I can remove the lock screen by entering the wrong password 5-10 times. Again, not even close or relevant to what I asked. I'm just about done speaking with them and wouldn't consider buying FoxFi if support can't even be bothered to respond coherently.
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thei VPN certificate is supposed to bypass the check. i had this working on 4.2.2, before the KitKat update came. I suspect the additional security layers added with 4.4 negated the effectiveness of their solution. It is possible they haven't even started testing with the latest version.
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thei VPN certificate is supposed to bypass the check. i had this working on 4.2.2, before the KitKat update came. I suspect the additional security layers added with 4.4 negated the effectiveness of their solution. It is possible they haven't even started testing with the latest version.
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I have it working on another VZW phone(HTC One) running a 4.4 Sense ROM so it may be directly related to something with the Moto X 4.4 update. Have you tried the PDA+ app. I know they are essentially the same company now but previously it worked for me when the actual Foxfi app didnt. I should have be Moto X sometime early next week(hopefully:fingers-crossed so I will give it a go myself and report back.
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I have it working on another VZW phone(HTC One) running a 4.4 Sense ROM so it may be directly related to something with the Moto X 4.4 update. Have you tried the PDA+ app. I know they are essentially the same company now but previously it worked for me when the actual Foxfi app didnt. I should have be Moto X sometime early next week(hopefully:fingers-crossed so I will give it a go myself and report back.
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if you go to pdanet/foxfi's site, it specifically says that wifi tethering is through/from the actual foxfi app, so i have no confidence that pdanet will work any better than foxfi on its own.
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if you go to pdanet/foxfi's site, it specifically says that wifi tethering is through/from the actual foxfi app, so i have no confidence that pdanet will work any better than foxfi on its own.
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It was merely a suggestion based on my past experience with both apps but ok
PDANet only works on usb tethering for VZW 4.4. The FoxFi part doesn't work, as I posted above. The developer (also as I mentioned above) is pretty incompetent so I'm not holding my breath on a fix and wouldn't recommend buying it after the responses I've gotten. Seriously, they constantly fail to read my questions and I'm not the only one. Another person on another forum (not sure if I can mention it here?) has said the same thing.
I accidentally upgraded to KitKat after having my ultra for only 3 days. Verizon wouldn't help me roll back to jellybean or let me exchange my phone (without paying a restock fee) I agreed to pay the fee and switch for another ultra still running jellybean but the vzw rep said it would be a waste of money because vzw is going to push the update and I eventually won't have an option. So I'm stuck paying my $39 hotspot fee when I was getting the use of my hotspot free on my DNA. I power two TV streaming media boxes, two tablets and my laptop. My average monthly GB usage is around 600gb. I have a 4 and 5 yr old who stream Netflix cartoons to their rooms all day. And never a glitch. So for $30 I shouldn't complain...however it really bothers me that Verizon made me upgrade and now an app I paid for is useless.
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PDANet only works on usb tethering for VZW 4.4. The FoxFi part doesn't work, as I posted above. The developer (also as I mentioned above) is pretty incompetent so I'm not holding my breath on a fix and wouldn't recommend buying it after the responses I've gotten. Seriously, they constantly fail to read my questions and I'm not the only one. Another person on another forum (not sure if I can mention it here?) has said the same thing.
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PDANet also works on bluetooth for Verizon 4.4. Not as fast as WiFi and smaller range, but if you don't want to root or tether with a USB cord it is your only option.
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candi.ultra.girl said:
I accidentally upgraded to KitKat after having my ultra for only 3 days. Verizon wouldn't help me roll back to jellybean or let me exchange my phone (without paying a restock fee) I agreed to pay the fee and switch for another ultra still running jellybean but the vzw rep said it would be a waste of money because vzw is going to push the update and I eventually won't have an option. So I'm stuck paying my $39 hotspot fee when I was getting the use of my hotspot free on my DNA
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Ok, so you want Verizon to help you violate their TOS?
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I power two TV streaming media boxes, two tablets and my laptop. My average monthly GB usage is around 600gb. I have a 4 and 5 yr old who stream Netflix cartoons to their rooms all day. And never a glitch. So for $30 I shouldn't complain...however it really bothers me that Verizon made me upgrade and now an app I paid for is useless.
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LOL! No, you shouldn't complain AT ALL.
You are pissed because you get to use 600GB of wireless data per month for the price of your $29.99/mo unlimited data plan but now a $5 app is useless to you? It is the data hogs like you that are going to result in Verizon putting an end to the unlimited data plans for all of us.
And you have a 4 and 5 yo who stream Netflix cartoons in their rooms all day *smh* Where did you go to parenting school?!?!? Oh, wait, that is right anyone can have a child no matter how crappy of a parent they are. Get your kids off of their boob tube habit, lady!
This has got to be one of the most unbelievable posts I have ever read. I can't believe you are for real.
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Yet you took the time to respond? Is this a parenting forum? Are u even a parent? /useless defending myself but I've got time if you do.
Thanks for your nasty attitude and offering no help at all. Maybe you can tell me how I am violating the TOS? Vzw is aware of my data usage. The FCC rules they can't cap my data right? I get what I pay for. If u were a parent you would know that just because the TV runs doesn't mean they are glued to it. They attend a private christian academy and here in Rural Ga it costs more than my mortgage, car notes and utilities, so I try to get more for less anyway I can especially when I pay for the phone and service. We don't subscribe to cable or satellite and I clip coupons too, they also eat ice cream for breakfast would you like to bash me for that? If you dont have anything productive to add then why be so rude? I have been with Verizon for 15+ years since it was cellular one. Don't even get me started on how this huge conglomerate is screwing over its customers...I have a right to use the phone I paid full price for and the unlimited data that came with the original contract I signed with them in any way I see fit. Data hog or not. Your rude opinion is not needed. Just any technical advice. I purchased pda.net in 2007 for around $19 and the same serial # activation still work from junefabrics. Its not the apps fault it is VZW trying to screw customers.
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Yet you took the time to respond? Is this a parenting forum? Are u even a parent? /useless defending myself but I've got time if you do.
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Of course you do; your kids are staring at Netflix watching cartoons all day so what else do you have to do, lol!
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Thanks for your nasty attitude and offering no help at all. Maybe you can tell me how I am violating the TOS?
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By tethering without paying the extra fee.
Now, having said that, as I post all over the internet all of the time, Verizon can't stop you from using an app to do that because of the terms of their block C licenses. But that doesn't mean it doesn't violate their TOS; it does. They just can't enforce their TOS by stopping you from using that app.
But guess what they can do once your contract expires? Drop you as a customer for violating their TOS.
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The FCC rules they can't cap my data right?
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NO!!!!!!! That is NOT what the FCC rules say. The FCC rules say that Verizon can't stop you from using an app. But it doesn't mean that isn't a violation of their TOS. And it doesn't mean that they can't pressure Google or the phone manufacturers into closing exploits that allow apps to allow you to violate their TOS. What they clearly can't do is pressure Google to remove those apps from the PlayStore. That they can't do.
I violate Verizon's TOS. However, I don't ask them to help me to do it nor do I get angry at Verizon when they won't help me to do it. That is the point that is ridiculous to me. You want them to help you violate their TOS and are angry that they won't, lol!
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If u were a parent you would know that just because the TV runs doesn't mean they are glued to it.
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I was remarking on what you said. You said they stream Netflix cartoons all day.
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They attend a private christian academy and here in Rural Ga it costs more than my mortgage, car notes and utilities, so I try to get more for less anyway I can especially when I pay for the phone and service. We don't subscribe to cable or satellite and I clip coupons too, they also eat ice cream for breakfast would you like to bash me for that?
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Clipping coupons doesn't deprive me of anything. Being a data hog by using 600GB of data a month risks depriving all of us who have unlimited data ultimately.
Verizon does not have to continue to allow us to have unlimited data. People like you risk ruining it for all of us. Shame on you!
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I have a right to use the phone I paid full price for and the unlimited data that came with the original contract I signed with them in any way I see fit.
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OK, you clearly didn't go to law school, but hey, you stick your kids in front of a TV all day so I wasn't thinking you were very educated.
First - that contract expired long ago. Verizon can at any time after a contract expires refuse to renew it at those terms. That is clearly in the contract. So no, you do not have any "right" to the terms of the original contract once it expires.
Second - it is Verizon's position that data is a feature and not part of the contract anyhow and that they can change your data plan at their whim. Whether or not they have a legal leg to stand on with that argument is a complex legal argument that depends not only on federal law but the choice of law provisions in Verizon's TOS and one that you would never be able to grasp no matter how clearly I explained it to you.
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These are the FCC rules that are being discussed here in case anyone is trying to follow this:
47 CFR 27.16
(b) Use of devices and applications. Licensees offering service on spectrum subject to this section shall not deny, limit, or restrict the ability of their customers to use the devices and applications of their choice on the licensee's C Block network, except:
(1) Insofar as such use would not be compliant with published technical standards reasonably necessary for the management or protection of the licensee's network, or
(2) As required to comply with statute or applicable government regulation.
600GB of data runs the risk of giving Verizon the argument that they can cut you off under 47 CFR 27.16(b)(1). Now having said that, there is this:
(c) Technical standards. For purposes of paragraph (b)(1) of this section:
(1) Standards shall include technical requirements reasonably necessary for third parties to access a licensee's network via devices or applications without causing objectionable interference to other spectrum users or jeopardizing network security. The potential for excessive bandwidth demand alone shall not constitute grounds for denying, limiting or restricting access to the network.
So they can't do it if the only reason is the potential for excessive bandwidth demand, but it opens the door for them to argue that it jeopardizes other users on the network depending on the network traffic. Now so far Verizon hasn't tried to make these arguments because they have been successful in getting people off of their unlimited data plans. But we will see how this all plays out over time.
However, someone who thinks they should get all of their internet, TV and video through their $29.99 Verizon data plan to the tune of 600GB/mo so that they can send their kids to an overpriced private school is over the top and jeopardizes unlimited data for all of us.
1- The kids are at the aforementioned school.
2- I am educated. I have a BS in Justice Administration from Georgia Southern University. And I know it doesn't mean much but I also have an Associates degree from a community college in Early Childhood education. Why must you make things so personal? Do you have no life other than belittling people on a Tech advice forum? You obviously have trouble comprehending what I stated- just because the TV is on and streaming doesn't mean the kids are stuck in front of it, like I said obviously you are not a parent. Yet you continue to harp on that.
3- Back to the only thing that really pertains to you hijacking this thread- I havent researched as much as you but as to the FCC ruling in which I was referring:
"Verizon defended its tethering fee explaining that customers with unlimited data plans were able to share their data with an unlimited population of wireless devices and such activity was bound to have negative operational effects on its network.[10] Verizon implemented the tethering fee in hopes of supplementing the cost of the additional data the customer would be sharing among multiple devices.[11] This in itself makes sense to most consumers, however, the issue lied in the fact that Verizon was also charging the $20 tethering fee to customers whose data plans were limited, hence, these customers were being charged extra for using only what they had already paid to use![12] Furthermore, Verizon was also limiting access to tethering apps for its customers by requesting Google to make tethering apps invisible from its Android application market on Verizon’s C Block customers’ phones.[13]
The FCC began investigating the matter in 2011 and after preliminary inquiry, Verizon decided to settle without admitting any fault, agreeing to pay $1.25 million to the Department of Treasury in exchange for the termination of the investigation.[14] The FCC touted the settlement as a message that “compliance with FCC regulations is not optional." That came from rctlj dot org (can't post links) for verification I fan message it to you
I know that is for tethering...but if I opt to buy an app that means I don't have to "tether" but can connect wirelessly then I think the same would apply.
candi.ultra.girl said:
That came from rctlj dot org (can't post links) for verification I fan message it to you.
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Here is the actual FCC consent decree that is binding on Verizon:
FCC Consent Decree
Doesn't say you can tether without paying a fee and doesn't say that you can use as much data as you want when you have an UDP. It says Verizon can't pressure Google to remove tethering apps from the PlayStore. Verizon voluntarily then started offering the Share Everything plans, which allow free tethering. Note that Verizon still does not allow free tethering on not only unlimited data plans, but any of the capped data plans on the older, grandfathered plans. It is only the new Share Everything and now the More Everything plans that have free tethering.
Also, nothing in any contract you signed with Verizon says they have to offer you unlimited data after the contract expires and you go month-to-month. They are doing that for public relations reasons and because they have been able to get people voluntarily off of unlimited data plans by refusing to give us subsidized phones.
But 600GB a month usage is why they want people off of unlimited data plans. There is not infinite bandwidth. Maybe none of your neighbors are on Verizon, but a lot of mine are and if we all used that kind of data through our tower, our data speeds wouldn't even be able to support video streaming.
And I linked you to 47 CFR 271.6, which is the federal regulation that governs Verizon's Block C licenses. It also doesn't say you can tether without paying a fee nor does it say you can use as much data as you want when you have an unlimited data plan. Rather, it says Verizon can stop you from using apps that objectionaly interfere with other network users' use of the spectrum under the provisions of 47 CFR 27.16(b)(1), which in turn is further spelled out in 47 CFR 27.16(c)(1).
We will see how this all plays out. For now enough people have been moved off of unlimited data plans that Verizon is still letting us keep them but who knows how long that will last if the data hogs overburden the network.
If you feel Verizon is violating the Consent Decree or the terms of their Block C licenses by not allowing you to tether for free, complain to the FCC and see what they say.
Also keep in mind that Apple DOES block tethering for free in iOS and refuses to allow apps that can circumvent these restrictions in the App Store. Apple is allowed to do that since they are not the licensee of any Block C spectrum. Google could do it, too for the same reason. It is just that Verizon can't pressure Google or Apple to do it.
And remember, you are using 600GB a month and are not even willing to pay $60 for it ($29.99 UDP + $30 hotspot fee), which would only be 10 cents per GB! Instead, you want to pay 5 cents per GB. Wow, that takes the cake on being cheap!
Instead of being angry at Verizon you should be thanking them for only charging you 10 cents a GB for data!!!!
candi.ultra.girl said:
however it really bothers me that Verizon made me upgrade and now an app I paid for is useless.
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I usually don't like to add fuel to a fire but... If you still have unlimited data, be thankful that you didn't get forced onto a tiered data plan. at 600gb per month, that would get pricey. At one time the $29.99 Hot Spot feature had a 5gig limit. I'm not sure did they finally remove the cap?
On a side note, if you purchased a developer edition Moto X, Droid Maxx, or other DE Moto phone, you'd still be able to root and tether, even with Kit Kat. Maybe not via FoxFi, but you could do it.
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If you still have unlimited data, be thankful that you didn't get forced onto a tiered data plan. at 600gb per month, that would get pricey.
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Yes, on tiered data she would be paying $5980 per month just for her data use since the 10GB tiered plan is $80/mo and overages are $10/GB!!!!!!
Even paying the $30 hot spot fee, she is only paying 10 cents a GB!! She is angry at Verizon that she can no longer pay 5 cents a GB!!!
Good grief! Wireless data was not meant to be used to stream media throughout an entire house like that, filled obviously with people who watch WAY TOO MUCH TV! And it is the data hogs like her who are going to ruin it for all of us reasonable UDP users. She is avoiding paying for dish or cable TV and using her kids school as an excuse.
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Good grief! Wireless data was not meant to be used to stream media throughout an entire house like that, filled obviously with people who watch WAY TOO MUCH TV! And it is the data hogs like her who are going to ruin it for all of us reasonable UDP users. She is avoiding paying for dish or cable TV and using her kids school as an excuse.
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I'm not going to comment on the "way too much TV" part... I'm not there..
I can say using the 6ABC app to watch the news during power outages the first few days of Feb I used about 16gig in 2 days. And I didn't watch constantly, only a few news casts. So I could see data adding up for streaming movies and other shows.
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I can say using the 6ABC app to watch the news during power outages the first few days of Feb I used about 16gig in 2 days. And I didn't watch constantly, only a few news casts. So I could see data adding up for streaming movies and other shows.
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yes it can - the wireless phone networks were not meant to support replacing your cable provider so you can watch TV throughout your house using your phone's data plan.
And to be indignent at Verizon for doubling the cost of data from 5 cents to a whooping 10 cents a GB when other network users pay $10/GB (which is 100 times more than what she is paying even with the hot spot fee) instead of thankful they let her keep her UDP, well that takes the cake!
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...the wireless phone networks were not meant to support replacing your cable provider so you can watch TV throughout your house using your phone's data plan.
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Yup, and that is why cell data has ALWAYS cost more than "wired" data like cable, fios, DSL, etc.
I received my Glass invite last week and I have been searching for a way around the various geoblocking because I'm in Australia. I want to develop for Glass, but actually having the device (especially with the impending release of the official wearable SDK) will be of great help.
At this point, it appears that there are three hurdles to overcome. The first is easy, the store is geoblocked. Nothing a VPN can't fix. The second is harder, a US postal address which is not a post office box or remailing service. I'm told you need to sign for the package and provide matching ID to the name on the order. I'm getting around this with a friend 'ordering' it on my behalf.
The final hurdle, which I'm most unsure about and would like advice on, is the geoblocking of payment methods. It will only accept a US-issued cards. I was wanting to know if anyone has used EntroPay before to get around this and if it can cause issues? They also charge a huge 5% in fees.
Can anyone see any issues or make any other suggestions in regards to my dilemma?
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I received my Glass invite last week and I have been searching for a way around the various geoblocking because I'm in Australia. I want to develop for Glass, but actually having the device (especially with the impending release of the official wearable SDK) will be of great help.
At this point, it appears that there are three hurdles to overcome. The first is easy, the store is geoblocked. Nothing a VPN can't fix. The second is harder, a US postal address which is not a post office box or remailing service. I'm told you need to sign for the package and provide matching ID to the name on the order. I'm getting around this with a friend 'ordering' it on my behalf.
The final hurdle, which I'm most unsure about and would like advice on, is the geoblocking of payment methods. It will only accept a US-issued cards. I was wanting to know if anyone has used EntroPay before to get around this and if it can cause issues? They also charge a huge 5% in fees.
Can anyone see any issues or make any other suggestions in regards to my dilemma?
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Why don't you transfer the money to your friends account and get them to pay for it with their credit card?
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Why don't you transfer the money to your friends account and get them to pay for it with their credit card?
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International wire transfers are a pain and he doesn't have paypal.
I also thought of another potential issue:
It is probable that Google will refresh the hardware at least once more, so returning it from Australia within the 2 week timeframe they had last time could also be problematic.
I was under the impression that, because they were using google wallet payment wasn't an issue for overseas cards. This may put a spanner in my plans. I also got an invite code and i'm in the UK. Also I thought re-delivery was fine just P.O. boxes out. I f that's the case then i'm completely screwed .
Stopping Network Abusers: An Open Letter to T-Mobile Customers
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Stopping Network Abusers: An Open Letter to T-Mobile Customers
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The link is down.
I'm linking to it here:
http://newsroom.t-mobile.com/issues-...rk-abusers.htm
It's MY data. I will do with it as I please.
Your data? You own the cellular towers and the wireless spectrum?
Good for T-Mobile. Hope they catch all the jokers who abuse the system
Really glad T-Mobile is going this route. At least they found a way to keep Unlimited and not cut it out completely like AT&T and Verizon did (not that I use it, anyway) and I'm glad they're taking measures to make sure that the rest of us don't have to deal with congestion or unfair practices commited by others.
I mean, if i pay for unlimited data then tethering shouldn't be seen as a huge problem...
Sometimes i need a large file to be stored/opened on my desktop computer. I could download the file onto my phone over LTE and then just transfer the file from phone to computer, or i could tether my connection and avoid waiting the time it would take to transfer the file from one device to the other. The point being - if i pay for unlimited data then i'm definitely going to use as much as i want. I do not have an internet connection at my house currently as i'm moving out very soon, however i still like to watch Netflix in my downtime/before bed/etc. I would still be using my unlimited data to stream shows or movies if i were to watch things on my device but i would rather WiFi tether so that i can cast it to my chromecast. I'm not using any MORE data than i would if i had not tethered.
I understand T-Mobile would be mad because they're not making money off an additional service they charge for convenience. But it doesn't necessarily mean i'm abusing the unlimited 4g that i pay monthly for.
So, since he didn't say what "technology" they "now" have, I will take a wild guess and assume T-Mo will blindly shoot those messages out to folks who "exhibit" signs of tethering. Unless they packed another sniffer into the FW, there is not much they can do, especially if one uses a vpn service. I may be wrong, so share whatever knowledge you have.
I too question how they're going to find out who's "abusing." But I agree with their fight against the abusers. It is not cool to pay $30/mo for unlimited LTE data and use it as your primary home internet connection when T-Mobile didn't intend for it to be used that way. They still have truly unlimited for a reason, along with all their other un-carrier moves. They're trying to make the industry better for consumers. Don't take advantage of the one good wireless company we have.
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Your data? You own the cellular towers and the wireless spectrum?
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Oh you sweet summer child...
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Nitemare3219 said:
I too question how they're going to find out who's "abusing." But I agree with their fight against the abusers. It is not cool to pay $30/mo for unlimited LTE data and use it as your primary home internet connection when T-Mobile didn't intend for it to be used that way. They still have truly unlimited for a reason, along with all their other un-carrier moves. They're trying to make the industry better for consumers. Don't take advantage of the one good wireless company we have.
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I do tether, but I also don't do it that often. I actually try to build up my data stash (I pay for 11GB/mo) yet I also download heavy once or twice a month.
Seriously, who the f**k uses 2TB of cellular data each month? That's what all-in-one plans are for.
For the sake of comparison, Comcast's soft cap is around 300GB per month. On a wired connection. At speeds far higher than what you'll get over T-Mobile's 4G LTE.
Legere tossed out the 2TB cellular data figure in reference to what we assume are the highest bandwidth users that circumvented the tethering cap. That's no accident. That is willful abuse of the terms and conditions that clearly state that you get 7GB for tethering with the unlimited plan.
I think Legere could have done a better job of delivering the message because it probably didn't need to be a public announcement if only 3,000 users are guilty, and I find the technical validity of his argument a little weak, but I don't think there's legitimate outrage over this either. Many people who've responded in other blogs and forums lack reading comprehension and street smarts to think that "unlimited" is to be taken in the most literal fashion interpretable. Absolutes in favor of the consumer don't really exist in the marketing-heavy consumer product industry, and the government won't save us either. Not when the FDA says 0.49g trans fat = 0g.
Unlike the phone that should be yours to do as you please if you have it fully paid off, your cellular service is a subscription that is subject to the carrier's terms. Whether or not those terms make sense, they won't hesitate to enforce them. T-Mobile is by far the least bad carrier and it's best that its subscribers don't push them towards the business models of the other US carriers.
I agree snake about legere. 300GB is my Comcast soft cap
Looks like this is what he meant by "technology" lol http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3189003
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Looks like this is what he meant by "technology" lol http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3189003
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There's either the entitlement complex or naivety in that guy's post.
Others, including myself, will always believe data is data...
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Which goes back to my admittedly tongue-in-cheek but valid first comment in this thread. Does that guy own the cellular towers and the wireless spectrum? No? Then it doesn't matter if he believes data is data. It's the carrier's judgment that counts. For better or worse, all carriers will independently judge excessive use, and T-Mobile's is actually pretty clear for people who can read. Spoiler alert: He got off easy with 138GB.
http://www.t-mobile.com/Company/Com...Tab_ConsumerInfo&tsp=Abt_Sub_InternetServices
To provide the best possible experience for the most possible customers, and to minimize capacity issues and degradation in network performance, we manage Unlimited high-speed data usage through prioritization. Unlimited high-speed data customers who use more data than what 97% of all customers use in a month, based on recent historical averages (updated quarterly), will have their data usage de-prioritized compared to the data usage of other customers at times and at locations where there are competing customer demands for network resources, which may result in slower data speeds. Customers who use data in violation of their Rate Plan terms or T-Mobile's Terms and Conditions may be excluded from this calculation. Data that might be whitelisted for other (fixed allotment) plan options, such as data associated with Music Freedom, does not count towards Unlimited high-speed data customers’ usage for this calculation. Based on network statistics for the most recent quarter, Unlimited high-speed data customers who use more than 21GB of data during a billing cycle will be de-prioritized for the remainder of the billing cycle in times and at locations where there are competing customer demands for network resources. At the start of the next bill cycle, the customer’s usage status is reset, and this data traffic is no longer de-prioritized.
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When it comes to cellular service, people need to get it out of their heads that "unlimited" is the same word that is defined in the dictionary. It's not. It's a marketing term. It's probably legal as far as the government is concerned. And now we circle back to 0.49g trans fat = 0g.
blackknightavalon said:
It's MY data. I will do with it as I please.
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...until your network gets badly jammed up.
graysooner said:
Stopping Network Abusers: An Open Letter to T-Mobile Customers
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The link is down.
I'm linking to it here:
http://newsroom.t-mobile.com/issues-insights-blog/stopping-network-abusers.htm
The reality is there are alot of people being cheap. They don't want to pay for cable TV or cable Internet and decide to use their smartphone data to run their whole house. They are using T-Mobile's $30 or $20 unlimited data plan to replace a $150 to $200 cable and internet bill. These same jerk offs are some of the same people running around saying unlimited means unlimited. They know they are getting over on T-Mobile. Where in the entire world can you pay $20 or $30 a month and get unlimited cell data, home Internet, and cable TV. NO WHERE.
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I mean, if i pay for unlimited data then tethering shouldn't be seen as a huge problem...
Sometimes i need a large file to be stored/opened on my desktop computer. I could download the file onto my phone over LTE and then just transfer the file from phone to computer, or i could tether my connection and avoid waiting the time it would take to transfer the file from one device to the other. The point being - if i pay for unlimited data then i'm definitely going to use as much as i want. I do not have an internet connection at my house currently as i'm moving out very soon, however i still like to watch Netflix in my downtime/before bed/etc. I would still be using my unlimited data to stream shows or movies if i were to watch things on my device but i would rather WiFi tether so that i can cast it to my chromecast. I'm not using any MORE data than i would if i had not tethered.
I understand T-Mobile would be mad because they're not making money off an additional service they charge for convenience. But it doesn't necessarily mean i'm abusing the unlimited 4g that i pay monthly for.
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Which is why they offer free 7GB of hotspot at no additional charge.
Snakecharmed said:
There's either the entitlement complex or naivety in that guy's post.
Which goes back to my admittedly tongue-in-cheek but valid first comment in this thread. Does that guy own the cellular towers and the wireless spectrum? No? Then it doesn't matter if he believes data is data. It's the carrier's judgment that counts. For better or worse, all carriers will independently judge excessive use, and T-Mobile's is actually pretty clear for people who can read. Spoiler alert: He got off easy with 138GB.
http://www.t-mobile.com/Company/Com...Tab_ConsumerInfo&tsp=Abt_Sub_InternetServices
When it comes to cellular service, people need to get it out of their heads that "unlimited" is the same word that is defined in the dictionary. It's not. It's a marketing term. It's probably legal as far as the government is concerned. And now we circle back to 0.49g trans fat = 0g.
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Marketing is good when you need to lure the masses, but bad/not to be taken literally when some of those peeps take advantage of it? Lol you can't have it both ways. If people, using their phones (not tethering), get throttled, it's time to stop the false advertisement, or at least start using asterisks...
RussianBear said:
Marketing is good when you need to lure the masses, but bad/not to be taken literally when some of those peeps take advantage of it? Lol you can't have it both ways. If people, using their phones (not tethering), get throttled, it's time to stop the false advertisement, or at least start using asterisks...
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I'm in no way supporting what marketing departments do, but the lack of oversight to their practices has led to the landscape we have today. I've worked in and with marketing teams before and I often don't agree with their ethics, but I also know the tricks they use to hook people. I'm advocating buyer research and awareness. I think it's foolish for consumers these days to take buzzwords like "unlimited" at face value and assume that there isn't fine print or obscure terms involved.
You're asking for an entire industry to become ethical. I say it's up to the buyer to gain the knowledge to make an educated decision because I'm not waiting for an entire industry whose purpose is to extract money from consumers to teach them about the tricks and mind games they use on them.
Snakecharmed said:
I'm in no way supporting what marketing departments do, but the lack of oversight to their practices has led to the landscape we have today. I've worked in and with marketing teams before and I often don't agree with their ethics, but I also know the tricks they use to hook people. I'm advocating buyer research and awareness. I think it's foolish for consumers these days to take buzzwords like "unlimited" at face value and assume that there isn't fine print or obscure terms involved.
You're asking for an entire industry to become ethical. I say it's up to the buyer to gain the knowledge to make an educated decision because I'm not waiting for an entire industry whose purpose is to extract money from consumers to teach them about the tricks and mind games they use on them.
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Agreed. I'm still curious about Legere's technology, though lol