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MUCH BETTER THAN JuiceDefender, almost as exciting as CM.

**UPDATE**
AutomateIt Pro Rules attached (the .7z file). They do the following:
1. Run DataSwitch when screen turns on or off
2. Disable 1. if WiFi is connected, phone is charging or if a phone call occurs
3. Enable 1. if WiFi is disconnected, phone is unplugged or if a phone call ends
Has crazy nested and/or statements to make sure it doesn't enable 1. if WiFi turns off but still charging, for example
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Saying a lot, I know. But honestly, how useful is CM + other tweaks if the battery dies in 3-4 hours?
Folks, I present to you what is in my opinion the best option for maximizing battery life.
I have tried several versions of JuiceDefender and many other setups to disable 3/4G while screen is off to maximize battery (doing so more than doubles the life for most). The issues I have not been able to solve are 1. the excessive lag for enabling connection and 2. the extreme unreliability with which most 'solutions' do so.
After tinkering with a bunch of data enabler/disablers on the market, I think I've found a working solution.
While initially very excited about AutomateIt, I was disappointed with its enable/disable data functionality. I presume it does so by tinkering with APN, which has proven to be very clunky for me (and others).
However, if you instead use it to trigger an alternative data disabler, you can have an automated mobile data triggering system dependent on phone use.
Download the apps:
1. DataSwitch
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
2. AutomateIt
And import the rules file (which I zipped then attached to this post).
I created the rules pretty hastily today (spent longer writing this post) so feel free to tweak them and repost.
Basically, what it does is:
1. disables mobile data when screen is turned off
2. enables it when screen is turned on
3. disables 1 and 2 during calls (as putting the phone to your ear automatically turns off the screen, etc.) and re-enables 1 and 2 on call's end
The lag is about 2-3 seconds instead of 3-10, which, for me, is a huge deal, as I need a data connection to start my car, control the music in my condo, etc.

sweeet. will try! do you use this with juicedefender or as a replacement?

jackpot08 said:
sweeet. will try! do you use this with juicedefender or as a replacement?
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this is a replacement- in fact, you should never try to run two separate apps/solutions for enabling/disabling data.
notes after a day of use:
1. this sometimes has issues when connected to WiFi. options are a) disable WiFi (4g is faster, often, anyway) or b) make a rule to disable the other rules on wifi connect (and re-enable on disconnect)
2. when it works, this is awesome.

Triskite said:
this is a replacement- in fact, you should never try to run two separate apps/solutions for enabling/disabling data.
notes after a day of use:
1. this sometimes has issues when connected to WiFi. options are a) disable WiFi (4g is faster, often, anyway) or b) make a rule to disable the other rules on wifi connect (and re-enable on disconnect)
2. when it works, this is awesome.
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sounds great. how can i import your settings that you've uploaded?.
nevermind got it to import. thanks and please post an update if you get a better work set of rules

I've had a hard time trying to replace juicedefender
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ive been running Advanced task killer with juice defender, should i get rid of both when using this?

Brksy86 said:
ive been running Advanced task killer with juice defender, should i get rid of both when using this?
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Disable jd entirely or disable just its mobile data control.
Atk should be fine, just make sure it doesn't kill automateit.

marcelloLins said:
I've had a hard time trying to replace juicedefender
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How do you feel about '2x battery'
Seemed to work better than juicedefender

Brksy86 said:
ive been running Advanced task killer with juice defender, should i get rid of both when using this?
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You don't need a task killer anymore because of Android 2.2 (Froyo). Android puts processes to sleep inside our RAM to save time and battery life. Every time you kill an app, the system has to go and reload everything, whereas it could just be woken up from within the RAM. What you need is a process monitor that detects how much CPU is being pulled by your apps in the background. AFAIK, Watchdog is the best/only app that does this. It shows you that most apps are sleeping in your RAM and not pulling CPU (apps that any task killer would show as using RAM), and watches for any apps that go wild and pull lots of CPU power.
The CyanogenMod team won't take your bug reports seriously if you're running a task killer; they get canned.
In shorthand; consider your RAM a dormitory in which apps go to sleep until they are needed again. Free RAM has little to do with performance on the phone. Less available RAM is actually good. It mean more apps are sleeping and can be quickly accessed when they are needed.
Here is an excellent article on the subject. Enjoy!
http://m.lifehacker.com/5650894/and...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them

got it working and i love it! i notice that there is an automateit pro app. is there anyway with that you could have more settings for better battery life? the pro has more features.

jackpot08 said:
got it working and i love it! i notice that there is an automateit pro app. is there anyway with that you could have more settings for better battery life? the pro has more features.
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from the market:
The advanced features included in this version are:
* Composite Triggers - use more than a single trigger for each rule using AND/OR logic between these triggers
* Composite Action - execute several actions as a result of a single trigger (which can be a composite trigger)
* Rule Active Period - set an active period for each rule. Really useful if you only want a certain rule to be active only during daytime, weekends, just an hour a day etc.
* Sensor Trigger - utilize all your device' sensors as a trigger for a desired action. This includes usage of all the sensors supported by Android - Accelerometer, Light, Proximity etc.
* Calendar Trigger - monitor events on your different calendars
* Enable/Disable Screen Lock Action - Enables or disables your screen lock slide/pattern/password/pin
that sounds AWESOME. way better than having to make so many rules.
i probably won't buy it though because i'm convinced i'll somehow have enough free time to learn how to just make my own app to do all this.
on day 3 the data en/disabler app is taking longer than I'd like to do its thing. maybe it's the city i'm in currently.

Triskite said:
from the market:
The advanced features included in this version are:
* Composite Triggers - use more than a single trigger for each rule using AND/OR logic between these triggers
* Composite Action - execute several actions as a result of a single trigger (which can be a composite trigger)
* Rule Active Period - set an active period for each rule. Really useful if you only want a certain rule to be active only during daytime, weekends, just an hour a day etc.
* Sensor Trigger - utilize all your device' sensors as a trigger for a desired action. This includes usage of all the sensors supported by Android - Accelerometer, Light, Proximity etc.
* Calendar Trigger - monitor events on your different calendars
* Enable/Disable Screen Lock Action - Enables or disables your screen lock slide/pattern/password/pin
that sounds AWESOME. way better than having to make so many rules.
i probably won't buy it though because i'm convinced i'll somehow have enough free time to learn how to just make my own app to do all this.
on day 3 the data en/disabler app is taking longer than I'd like to do its thing. maybe it's the city i'm in currently.
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Yeah it is a $1. 50. Does sound like it coukd be cool though.. If you do have loose morals you coukd get it for free... Not that i suggest that though
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jackpot08 said:
Yeah it is a $1. 50. Does sound like it coukd be cool though.. If you do have loose morals you coukd get it for free... Not that i suggest that though
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eh I paid for it. glad i did, it's freakin' sweet. love that you can nest and/or statements within rules indefinitely...
check out the new rules i just posted for AI Pro, they are so crazy!

I can't seem to get the regular and pro rules imported t is there anyway you could combine them into 1 for me thanks so much
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jackpot08 said:
I can't seem to get the regular and pro rules imported t is there anyway you could combine them into 1 for me thanks so much
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hmm if you have the pro version only import the pro rules.
if you have the regular only import the regular
they do not stack

Triskite said:
hmm if you have the pro version only import the pro rules.
if you have the regular only import the regular
they do not stack
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ohh go figure! haha thank you!

jackpot08 said:
sounds great. how can i import your settings that you've uploaded?.
nevermind got it to import. thanks and please post an update if you get a better work set of rules
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How did you import? Your help is appreciated...
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same here. can't figure out the import part.

wait i had it... let me mess with it again. i can't do it

I downloaded the file to my phone, then installed AndroZip from the market to extract it. Open the .AIR file using a file manager (I use ES File Explorer), and I selected "open as text", then AutomateIt Pro is listed as an available app to open it, and voila.. There may be an easier way, but this worked for me.

What Is Your MUST HAVE APP?

Hi all,
As I said above, I would like to know what is your MUST HAVE APPLICATIONS ?. Last time when I did the same on a different phone, I discovered a lot of good app that I missed out, such as Adaway, Droidwall, etc, etc, and I am sure others will benefit from it too,
And as for myself, list below are all the apps that I must have on every Android phone that I possess. On a side note, I am not working for any of them, far from marketing it, just feel the need to share.
1. Adaway - I simply couldn't stand all of the ads, because sometimes they can be way too obtrusive
2. Firewall Plus - I have been using Droid Wall previously, but recently change to Firewall Plus for Droid Wall has never been updated since like 2011.But still, it does the job.
3. Nova Launcher Prime - Stock home just couldn't get the job done for me, And I even think it is a hassle to use. What I love the most about this launcher is their gestures setting. I have set every frequently used app on gestures and opening them never take me more than 2 seconds.
4. Brilliant Quotes - I need a daily motivation, and this piece of app does it flawlessly.
5. Dolphin Browser - Nothing beats it IMO. Smooth browsing experience.
6. MX Player - This one will play anything you throw at it, and it is also the friendliest movie player out there.
7. Kingsoft Office - Miles ahead of the preinstalled office app.
8. Root Browser - EZ File explorer used to be awesome, but since there is no longer root file explorer, it is now become worthless, at least for my kind of use.
9. SMS Scheduler - You know what? I have never forgotten to wish birthdays to my dearest and beloved ones.
10. Soccer Livescores - The name itself tells you what it does.
11. SwiftKey - With this app, I am 100% certain that I type faster on my phone.
12. Titanium Backup - Do I need to elaborate? Without it, what is the point of rooting your phone?
13. Waze - Never get lost. Errr...almost
14. Whatsapp - This is where my friends are. If they change, so will I. For now, this is a must have.
15. Alarm Clock Plus - Nothing wakes me up in the morning, nothing. But not this one, you will definitely get out of your bed. I have set mine to never ever to stop ringing, and even if I want to silence it,there are 10 difficult math questions for me to solve. And after those 10, I am wide awake.
16. Mobicalc Calculator - Stock is just meh at best.
These are all my MUST HAVE APP. What about you? Please do share with all of us here.
Thanks in advance.

Not feeling like writing a wall of text so i'll just post a small list.
Adaway, viper4android, titanium backup, YouTube, rootbrowser, battlelog
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Xposed Framework
-----Xposed Modules: App Settings, Boot Manager, XbatteryThemer
Titanium Backup PRO - Backups are Important and I can freeze and delete apks
Root Browser - I think it's sure what to to with that
CCSWE App Manager - I use light version and I hide Apps from App-drawer with it
Gravity Box - You can change a lot of things
Unicon - change Icon theme, also on stock rom
AutomateIt Pro - Automate your phone with it
Whatsapp+ - hide online status and design your whatsapp interface like you want.
Supertube Pro - Like youtube, but with background music and you can watch with smaller window(Samsung style) and with scree off listen music
Dropbox - Sure what to do with that
Gtasks - Really cool widget for tasks!
Tapatalk - Best Forum App
realcalc - Best calculator ever for me

gripfly said:
Xposed Framework
-----Xposed Modules: App Settings, Boot Manager, XbatteryThemer
Whatsapp+ - hide online status and design your whatsapp interface like you want.
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Sounds interesting

bloodsuckingcomputer said:
Sounds interesting
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You can also download themes by other users or uploud your own one.
Also you can change Launcher Icon and some other modifications.
You can also ''modify'' the Popup with other colours etc.

Just a few that haven't already been mentioned -
Greenify (requires root) - Allows you to hibernate rogue apps that wake up your phone and drain battery.
Clipper - Replaces the default clipboard and allows you to go back multiple times over things that you have copied.
Cerberus - Anti theft software with options to locate, lock, wipe etc. This has been installed on every android device I have had. Paid.
Root Explorer - The original root explorer that was available and I still use years later. Paid, but it was cheap enough and I have had good value from it.
Most of everything else I use has already been mentioned.
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I like using VLC player for videos, it's in beta but is still very usable and plays any formats you can throw at it. Also, uTorrent for my torrenting needs* as well as My Class Schedule for timetabling my school subjects for the day.
*: torrenting DOESN'T automatically equate to piracy.

kingvortex said:
Just a few that haven't already been mentioned -
Greenify (requires root) - Allows you to hibernate rogue apps that wake up your phone and drain battery.
Clipper - Replaces the default clipboard and allows you to go back multiple times over things that you have copied.
Cerberus - Anti theft software with options to locate, lock, wipe etc. This has been installed on every android device I have had. Paid.
Root Explorer - The original root explorer that was available and I still use years later. Paid, but it was cheap enough and I have had good value from it.
Most of everything else I use has already been mentioned.
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I would normally uninstall all of the so called rogue apps, saves me the trouble(With the special exception for KINGO ROOT)
And I also heard a lot of good things about greenify, what else does it do?, if you don't mind.

iDroid8 said:
I like using VLC player for videos, it's in beta but is still very usable and plays any formats you can throw at it. Also, uTorrent for my torrenting needs* as well as My Class Schedule for timetabling my school subjects for the day.
*: torrenting DOESN'T automatically equate to piracy.
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I use to heavily used Ttorrent on my phone, and it was good, always get a good download rate. But not so sure how does it behave nowadays.

bloodsuckingcomputer said:
I would normally uninstall all of the so called rogue apps, saves me the trouble(With the special exception for KINGO ROOT)
And I also heard a lot of good things about greenify, what else does it do?, if you don't mind.
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It is only for the purpose of stopping apps waking up without your specific permission.
There are some apps that wake the phone up when not needed that are still useful to have around, like Google Maps and Facebook to name 2 that cause wakes on my phone, so it allows you to still have these apps installed without them draining battery.
For more information, check out the developer's thread here on XDA.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2155737
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Titanium backup Pro
Tapatalk
...all the rest

Quick Reboot, and Proximity Smart Cover. (I hate wearing out buttons)
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shoey63 said:
Quick Reboot, and Proximity Smart Cover. (I hate wearing out buttons)
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Now, this is what I'm talking about, interesting, never heard of both, gonna check it out.
Thanks

kingvortex said:
It is only for the purpose of stopping apps waking up without your specific permission.
There are some apps that wake the phone up when not needed that are still useful to have around, like Google Maps and Facebook to name 2 that cause wakes on my phone, so it allows you to still have these apps installed without them draining battery.
For more information, check out the developer's thread here on XDA.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2155737
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Fair enough, I do not use both of the app you mentioned, get rid of it since day 1.

must
Lux Auto Brightness - I used start on my previous Motorola RAZR XT910 and now Xperia Z - save battery
Solid explorer - for me best explorer on android

NHK world
Mimi Chan browser
Mixi
Google wallet
Skype
Bloomberg
And whatever comes preinstalled on the phone excerpt the t-mobile apps haha
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Things that I haven't seen mentioned yet
1. SD Maid.
2. System Tuner.
3. Sygic.(free in India, paid elsewhere). (I just rip out Maps & all Gapps).
4. OSMAnd~ (from F-Droid).
5. Blank Store.
Dead Cookies leave no trails...

Applock
Call popout
iFont
Truecaller
~ Zapped Using X-Zed ~

Try WifiKill bro..
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Invoice to go.
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Bad battery life, high Android OS drain

I'm experiencing very high battery drain on my phone, most of it attributed to "Android OS" in Settings -> Battery. For example, my battery is at 62% after 6 hours off charger, with 19min screen-on time. Any help, please? I tried reading various guides for dealing with the issue, but most of them refer to older versions of Android.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}

Mmm thats weird, did you try to uninstall some apps that may be wakelocking your device ?
Wakelock its an excellent app but sadly you need root
Try unisntall some "fishy" apps that could be doing it

That's the problem, since I'm not rooted, I can't use wakelock detector It is kinda crippling.
I can't think of any fishy apps off the top of my head.. is there a list of "known bad" apps?

List some less popular apps you have installed. Apps like Tinder gave me ridiculous wakelocks. Screw that app BTW.

Interesting, I do have tinder installed! Is there any easy way of getting all installed applications on the phone?

rohandhruva said:
Interesting, I do have tinder installed! Is there any easy way of getting all installed applications on the phone?
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Check for which devices are set to actively sync. Turn off all the apps that don't need to sync in the background. Also, turn off syncing for all the google apps that you don't use.
If you're logged into multiple accounts, you have might location tracking and history on for all. I disabled both and it doesn't affect google now.

Try a factory reset,I had my Google Services on high and I did a factory reset and it was fine from there on.

erikiksaz said:
Check for which devices are set to actively sync. Turn off all the apps that don't need to sync in the background. Also, turn off syncing for all the google apps that you don't use.
If you're logged into multiple accounts, you have might location tracking and history on for all. I disabled both and it doesn't affect google now.
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What do you mean by devices to sync? I have only one google account synced on my device. I'll try removing crap like tinder.

ry_t said:
Try a factory reset,I had my Google Services on high and I did a factory reset and it was fine from there on.
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I've been holding off on a factory reset simply because it's so disruptive I should probably get around to it...

rohandhruva said:
What do you mean by devices to sync? I have only one google account synced on my device. I'll try removing crap like tinder.
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Under settings/accounts.
You'll see google and other apps like twitter, dropbox, waze, etc

Not sure if this is what you're asking, but you can go to Settings, Apps and the initial list you will be presented with is only the apps you have downloaded

CUBENSIS said:
Not sure if this is what you're asking, but you can go to Settings, Apps and the initial list you will be presented with is only the apps you have downloaded
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Yes, however that would need me to take multiple screenshot to list all apps that I have installed. I was looking for something which exports a text list of all my installed apps, maybe...
I've removed tinder and hinge for now, to see how it might affect battery. Any other ideas?

rohandhruva said:
Yes, however that would need me to take multiple screenshot to list all apps that I have installed. I was looking for something which exports a text list of all my installed apps, maybe...
I've removed tinder and hinge for now, to see how it might affect battery. Any other ideas?
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Sorry for late responding but I'm pretty sure it's a third party app. But another suggestion is to boot into Safe Mode and see if the high drainage still occurs. If it stops, then we know it's a third party app.

I have solved the majority of this problem on my phone.
Go into apps, reset data for the app "Moto"
Now enter Moto, do NOT accept "Yes I'm in" (or whatever it's translated to for you)
It appears the car detection chews through battery like mad, they apparently use ambient audio to detect driving if there's no location service running.
You will have to go into camera and click/unclick the wrist flick feature, same with alarm clock, you have to click/unclick in the Moto app, and launch alarm clock at least once. You will also need to do this on the "approach to activate" set of features.
This obviously kills the four assistive features and always on voice activation. But it appears this drains a ton of battery.
And even if you don't use voice activation any more, (I enabled it to test it out), but the DSP that handles it is never disabled.
Also always set GPS to "device only" as this google data farm "feature" completely murders battery life.

DroidOnRoids said:
Sorry for late responding but I'm pretty sure it's a third party app. But another suggestion is to boot into Safe Mode and see if the high drainage still occurs. If it stops, then we know it's a third party app.
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Thanks, I'm going to try using my phone in the Safe Mode today! It's incredibly crippling.

rohandhruva said:
Thanks, I'm going to try using my phone in the Safe Mode today! It's incredibly crippling.
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No problem. My issue with battery is the Cell Standby bug that seems to be a bug with this build for Verizon Moto X. There's nothing I can do about it except wait for Lollipop.

Shadowdancer123 said:
I have solved the majority of this problem on my phone.
Go into apps, reset data for the app "Moto"
Now enter Moto, do NOT accept "Yes I'm in" (or whatever it's translated to for you)
It appears the car detection chews through battery like mad, they apparently use ambient audio to detect driving if there's no location service running.
You will have to go into camera and click/unclick the wrist flick feature, same with alarm clock, you have to click/unclick in the Moto app, and launch alarm clock at least once. You will also need to do this on the "approach to activate" set of features.
This obviously kills the four assistive features and always on voice activation. But it appears this drains a ton of battery.
And even if you don't use voice activation any more, (I enabled it to test it out), but the DSP that handles it is never disabled.
Also always set GPS to "device only" as this google data farm "feature" completely murders battery life.
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Thanks. I'd try that, but it feels like it's disabling all the useful features of the Moto X. Kind of negates the reason I purchased this phone

DroidOnRoids said:
No problem. My issue with battery is the Cell Standby bug that seems to be a bug with this build for Verizon Moto X. There's nothing I can do about it except wait for Lollipop.
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I'd this same problem for the first few days I had the phone for! I am not sure what fixed it, but I don't see Cell Standby up there now (I'm on AT&T).

rohandhruva said:
I'd this same problem for the first few days I had the phone for! I am not sure what fixed it, but I don't see Cell Standby up there now (I'm on AT&T).
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Hmm interesting, I'm gonna have to search to see if there's a fix.

Shadowdancer123 said:
I have solved the majority of this problem on my phone.
Go into apps, reset data for the app "Moto"
Now enter Moto, do NOT accept "Yes I'm in" (or whatever it's translated to for you)
It appears the car detection chews through battery like mad, they apparently use ambient audio to detect driving if there's no location service running.
You will have to go into camera and click/unclick the wrist flick feature, same with alarm clock, you have to click/unclick in the Moto app, and launch alarm clock at least once. You will also need to do this on the "approach to activate" set of features.
This obviously kills the four assistive features and always on voice activation. But it appears this drains a ton of battery.
And even if you don't use voice activation any more, (I enabled it to test it out), but the DSP that handles it is never disabled.
Also always set GPS to "device only" as this google data farm "feature" completely murders battery life.
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I have all of these enabled. I use approx 45-60 min of GPS per day, minimal talk time, >50% of my time spent with no cell signal. I consistently get ~3.5 hrs of screen on time.
Maybe you did improve your battery life, but I don't think the moto features were your problem.

Can't keep apps running in the background

I know this is the Mi 8 forum, but I feel that the issue I have on my Mi 9 will be common across both phones, and thought I would post here too.
I've noticed that at least two apps will mysteriously stop working in the background, causing problems:
First, most important, I use my Google Voice number, not my SIM number, so I need Google Voice to be running so that it intercepts my calls and uses the right phone number to make calls. If I open Google Voice, it will work for a few hours, maybe a day, and then GV stops working and calls start going out through my SIM number.
The other app that exhibits this behavior is Garmin Connect -- my watch gives me notifications, but then, for no reason, it will stop working. Opening Garmin Connect solves the problem.
I have ensured all permissions are set as liberally as possible, even the "allow autostart" option. Not sure what else to do. Any ideas would be great. I actually didn't have the issue with my Mi 8, but I wonder if anyone has any knowledge on how this could happen on the Mi 9.
Thanks!

sshanky said:
I know this is the Mi 8 forum, but I feel that the issue I have on my Mi 9 will be common across both phones, and thought I would post here too.
I've noticed that at least two apps will mysteriously stop working in the background, causing problems:
First, most important, I use my Google Voice number, not my SIM number, so I need Google Voice to be running so that it intercepts my calls and uses the right phone number to make calls. If I open Google Voice, it will work for a few hours, maybe a day, and then GV stops working and calls start going out through my SIM number.
The other app that exhibits this behavior is Garmin Connect -- my watch gives me notifications, but then, for no reason, it will stop working. Opening Garmin Connect solves the problem.
I have ensured all permissions are set as liberally as possible, even the "allow autostart" option. Not sure what else to do. Any ideas would be great. I actually didn't have the issue with my Mi 8, but I wonder if anyone has any knowledge on how this could happen on the Mi 9.
Thanks!
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MIUI itself is a bit heavy on RAM, for one, and it's always been a bit aggressive on RAM management. Another thing, have you disabled MIUI's power saving functionality for those apps? I believe it only affects background push data, but I may be wrong. To configure said apps, go to Settings > Battery & performance > Choose apps and then select the apps in question and set to No Restrictions. There used to be an option to completely disable it, but that has since been removed. Another thing is to enable Developer options by tapping the MIUI version several times in the About phone section of the Settings app, then go to Additional settings > Developer options and disable MIUI optimizations. Read the prompt that pops up as I recall it mentioning something about affecting certain services.

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MIUI itself is a bit heavy on RAM, for one, and it's always been a bit aggressive on RAM management. Another thing, have you disabled MIUI's power saving functionality for those apps? I believe it only affects background push data, but I may be wrong. To configure said apps, go to Settings > Battery & performance > Choose apps and then select the apps in question and set to No Restrictions. There used to be an option to completely disable it, but that has since been removed. Another thing is to enable Developer options by tapping the MIUI version several times in the About phone section of the Settings app, then go to Additional settings > Developer options and disable MIUI optimizations. Read the prompt that pops up as I recall it mentioning something about affecting certain services.
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I have set the apps in question to No Restrictions, a long time ago, but that didn't help. Today, I tried another option -- Use Adaptive Battery (Limit battery for apps that you don't use often). I turned that OFF, and it appears I've been getting alerts on my Garmin watch all day. However, I made a call and Google Voice wasn't active. I was getting excited that I'd found a cure until that happened. I'll try your suggestion in developer options and report back if it works. Thanks for that idea.

No luck -- Google Voice is still stopping, even after just a few minutes. I can't make calls on my google voice number unless I first launch Voice, then go to the phone app.

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No luck -- Google Voice is still stopping, even after just a few minutes. I can't make calls on my google voice number unless I first launch Voice, then go to the phone app.
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Yeah MIUI 10 + Android 9.0 are worse than previous versions of MIUI, but Google apps have issues on all devices that do not use stock or near stock Android. Have you attempted to lock the app in the task manager? Open your app, for example Google Voice, then using the task manager (App switcher), long press that app and tap the lock button. Try using the phone as you normally would and see if it helps.

@Crossvxm that's a good idea. I'll try and let you know how it goes.

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@Crossvxm that's a good idea. I'll try and let you know how it goes.
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All you have to to do is turn off Battery restrictions.
Also, I would suggest giving the launcher "Smart Launcher: a try. Not only is it awesome but it gives you quick access to all of the permissions, and battery optimizations. You can manage all of this from the Apps list.. Press and hold on any icon and click namage ( or the gear then manage) this is much easier then searching through the system settings for autostart, permissions, battery management etc. This is one app that is worth buying. The free version is great, but the paid version is incomparable, and I own all of the popular launchers. Smart Launcher Pro 5 is absolutely the best, and highly customizable.
My biggest issue with all AOSP roms is that the battery goes up to 105F when charging on every single AOSP rom that I have tried on the Mi8. While there is no immediate risk in the long term the battery should not get hotter than room temperature.
Back to Miui, turn off battery restrictions and you will have no issues, you also have the option of clicking the pin in recents to keep the app active.

Hi @tsongming, I've done everything possible to deactivate restrictions. I've done it the way you mentioned and other ways as well. I did try locking the app as mentioned by @Crossvxm and it might have done the trick -- will know more in a few days. I use Nova Launcher (paid version) and it has the same features you mentioned about Smart Launcher, where I can get to the settings instantly.

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Hi @tsongming, I've done everything possible to deactivate restrictions. I've done it the way you mentioned and other ways as well. I did try locking the app as mentioned by @Crossvxm and it might have done the trick -- will know more in a few days. I use Nova Launcher (paid version) and it has the same features you mentioned about Smart Launcher, where I can get to the settings instantly.
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I run MIUI stock 10.3.3.0 with Sphinx Kernel and root. I also use Hangouts, Google voice, and Google message without issues. It's like tsongming mentioned. Turn off the adaptive battery and remove battery restrictions on each app. Also make sure they get all permissions.
Something to note , when I used Canting Kernel, I had lots of apps turn off in background including my Fossil sport watch connection. Going back to Sphinx Kernel took care of issue, probable too aggressive memory killer in Canting. Stock Kernel might have same issue idk.
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When I had my Mi 8, I had no issues. This seems to be something new with the 9. I've disabled adaptive battery, I've provided all permissions to the app, I've removed all power restrictions. I'm not rooted, so I can't change kernel right now. It appears that locking the app might have helped a bit, but I wish I didn't have to do it.

How To Guide Stop vivo spyware with app ops

I've tried everything possible to stop vivos spyware, namely cim.vivo.pushservice and com.vivo.abe (plus maybe some others but the main one clearly is push service - whatever you do interacting with your phone shortly after push service tries (because I blocked it's internet access with Adguard) to contact some Chinese servers.
Edit: For app ops to work reliably you need to debloat com.vivo.devicereg first. Also remove com.vivo.abe and other apps for best results first - see here for list: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...al-battery-drain.4544851/page-5#post-88459025
You cannot debloat it, you cannot freeze it, there is no normal way to remove it from starting as you cannot simply restrict it from running as it runs on user 1000.
However what you can do, though only with app ops is to simply remove it access to any system content by providing fake zero content (ignore). Actual denying is also not possible.
I'm attaching a screenshot on how to set it up and I don't know which actual setting works, but something does work because for the first time I'm using this device it's not trying to connect to the internet anymore. This should also substantially improve battery life.
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You need to activate system and system framework apps to show it. By default they are hidden.
It's quite crazy how many times different vivo apps access location and contacts. Well enough other apps are pretty annoying in accessing fine location so app ops is a great tool to cut down on requests by apps (yes usually a power manager would restrict the apps a bit, but as we have to remove vivo.pem to receive notifications app ops is the answer)
If you setup an island with islands app, it's pretty crazy how fast the vivo system starts requesting access to loads of stuff. Maybe because I forbid internet access to the vivo spyware it kept on going crazy? Well clearly by default this system send everything, and yeah really everything straight to Chinese servers when it comes to location, contacts, messages, phone log, system settings and so on. You cannot even deny this but it's great that android now provides the ignore function which will return empty information instead.
This one is especially terrifying. I guess the service gathers all the data it gives to push service to send to China... Put it on ignore straight away.
App ops is available on Google play, installation needs shizuku too which is a bit complicated and needs restarting after reboot of system. However most settings should survive a reboot (I have to try and monitor this), best make a backup and yeah totally worth it to buy the full version. There is no single other app that I tried which worked and the auto restore feature is only available in full version. Also some more other stuff.
I'm thinking if I should remove all accounts and try the device owner mode. Clearly this will be the first thing I will do on any new phone or hard reset. Put shizuku as owner so it can autostart
App Ops - Permission manager - Apps on Google Play
Manage app permission with App Ops (require root or adb)
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Vivo using system user 1000 is problematic because somehow you cannot set some/many permissions per app but only per user. It's hard to see when this applies and when not.
So both of this apps which are core parts of the spyware armada will share/influence the android system permission on location. Clearly debloat would be better but impossible without root.
You cannot directly set it here - and that's the problem. It's even not possible in the log to tell which user 1000 app requested location as somehow it will always show android system...

Some things I do not know yet - because I didn't use it long enough.
Does Vivo rotten oranges tries to overwrite the settings? MIUI seemingly does and there is a restore mode especially for it.
Some reviews mention that the backup/import option does not work for System apps. I don't know if this was fixed or not (seems to have been okay 2-3 years ago - maybe downgrade if that is so).
Do you need the app? No you could do this manually or even write a batch as its all app ops set commands. But that would be way way more complicated than using the app (and the free version does most things already).
I hope by seeing the body sensors log I managed to eliminate the offending apps like Phone that accessed them and cause the phone to lose battery while on the go like crazy.
Which apps should you set to ignore everything?
Well foremost those that we would all like to uninstall and remove but cannot.
com.vivo.abe, push notifications service, com.android.phone (and use a different dialler app instead - the default phone must be spyware infused to the top as it becomes active all of the time without being in use and replaced in my case with google phone already), the numbermark stuff, vivo locationservices,
Youtube Revanced - Fine Location - should you use it. I don't know why it keeps on requesting this all the time. Put it on ignore or Deny to save battery (seems to be a bit badly programmed)
Multi Device Connectivity (don't know what this thing does, but it requests loads of data/wakeups and so on - maybe part of the spyware suite? For Sure remove it from Fine Location)
AiEnginge,Aiservices.
Controversial: Should you remove location access to Android System? I think it can save battery but not sure if some apps break some functionality?
com.vivo.devicereg (this one is quite active too - I'm not sure if we should put everything on ignore here too).
And yeah - I'm 99.99% positive the China Spyware is tracking your location 100% of the time. So it's not only some metadata, contacts, call data, messages, clipboard content and app filtering - but also your location. Now is this collected by Vivo for its own good, or for the Chinese government? I don't care I don't want either and I pretty much thing the way it works is several services gathering all that data - and most like vivo push notifications (haha fitting name) pushing this info to Chinese servers.
And yeah - seeing how many access rights are given to various system apps is not normal! I compared this to my Huawei P30 Pro and Galaxy S7 and both have much much less permissions given (a bit problematic as earlier Android versions aren't so detailled). Plus without app ops you don't even know about this! The stock permission management just hides all the system framework apps so you never know!

BTW - If you identify any app that requests a lot of stuff like location or contacts and you do not know why it should - try to debloat it because that's always the better solution. com.vivo.multinlp - Vivo Location Services can be debloated.
Same for Multi Device Connectivity: com.vivo.connbase
The rest of the apps above (except phone which breaks functionality if debloated) - cannot be debloated. So that's when you use App Ops instead. It's always safer using app ops vs fully uninstalling/disabling an app from a standpoint about breaking something. However for battery use most likely uninstalling via adb is the better solution. I decided to remove those two apps, but a more conservative approach is to simply remove their access to sensitive data.
Someone knows why google play services needs access to body sensors?
I'm attaching my current profile - not sure if you can import it without having the same debloat level as on my phone (which is pretty extensive - I have 77 apps uninstalled and 11 disabled. Yeah and most of that are services/system apps (very few a pre installed user apps).
Need to remove the txt ending on the backup to import.
Oh I think the reviews are right, the backup doesn't include settings for system apps. That a bummer. Kinda makes the backup/import function useless.
Now it clearly would make more sense if one could create a huge bash/batch file to do all of these app ops commands. I clearly don't know how to do that simply? Yeah finding out what changed is possible with dumpsys....

Battery life improved loads on first try, but then somehow I managed to destroy the Bluetooth connection by removing permissions somewhere too much. Also I had the phone in vibration mode overnight which kills all notifications and is like airplane mode light.
It's really horrible software design by vivo that vibration mode kills all notifications with screen off.
The only thing to achieve actual vibration mode is turning volume down to 0. I really cannot get who can program such a lousy thing.

I don't know why but location is constantly requested by something and I highly doubt it's actually android system!

Sadly Vivo system like MIUI seems to reset the restrictions all the time. So you need shizuku running all the time to restore the settings..
Especially com.vivo.abe restores it's permissions several times daily and as soon as that happens battery life goes **** again in idle and spyware starts working again...
It's super frustrating but essentially this phone had rubbish software that isn't fixable. It can be improved as many settings aren't reset but the spyware tries everything it can to restore itself overwriting system settings all the time.
Oh and push notifications also sends out data to fixed IP addresses in China that cannot be prevented.
Location is accessed like crazy by all the spyware.
Thats the main killer because it's permanently checking location if you don't disable location system wide.
At least down from 15.000 requests to 9000 thanks to app ops.

Hi @extremecarver, any updates on this? I appreciated what you have done so far to investigate this issue.
The problem I'm facing right now is, the idle drain is too much for me. With plane mode on during 6 hour night, it lost 3%. With normal 3g-4g signal (no data), it drains about 1% per hour, sometimes 2%. That means if I go to work and let my phone sit there for a whole day without touching anything, then it will lose 8%-16%. That's crazy numbers.
I also found that, googlemap (with gps+4g) can kill battery very quickly. Usually, I drive to work in 30 mins and it drops 6%, i.e, 1% per 5 mins. With the same use, the s22 ultra drops just under 3%.
And if I use the phone normally such as web browsing, facebook, instagram, tiktok, even taking photos then it drains very very normally as other phones do.
I have the s22 ultra and I can say that the battery on s22 ultra is much better than vivo. It's understandable because it has been optimized for a year now. With the s22 ultra and with the same using pattern, I can easily get 8 hours SoT, while the vivo can barely get it to 5-6 hours.
Pretty sad because this x90 pro+ camera is better than the s22 ultra in many aspects, easier to hold in hand (s22 ultra is too hard to reach the edge of the phone and too heavy) although I don't like both curve screens. I don't have many problems with the notifications because I mainly use messenger and gmail and that's all.
So hopefully, someone can find out the way to fix those excessive battery drain or Vivo can release some updates to solve this problem in the future.

Dear All,
i'm not sure if mine could be a good solution or not but i'm using nextdns service and it basically blocks all or almost all vivo and others brand spyware without installing any apps.
it's very quick and easy to activate, just enable dns privato in network settings and write your dns resolver url.
i hope it could be helpful.

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Hi @extremecarver, any updates on this? I appreciated what you have done so far to investigate this issue.
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Yes by removing virtually any rights on any app/service that I don't think needs it - I could solve the battery drain.
However now I cannot use the telephone to make calls (passive receving calls still works), and I seem not to be able to update to the new trial software because it isn't found.
Now the problem with App Ops is - I cannot quickly return all rights to update the software - as the backup/import function does not work with system apps.
This phone is just one thing, Crap, crap, crap, crap, crap. Not a single day I don't want to use a hammer and trash it. It's simpy virtually impossible to fix the crapware/spyware of this phone.
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Dear All,
i'm not sure if mine could be a good solution or not but i'm using nextdns service and it basically blocks all or almost all vivo and others brand spyware without installing any apps.
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No it doesn't - it can only block apps, not even some system services - and only if they connect to a website, not if they connect to an IP address!
I have written about stopping spyware with DNS services already - this stops some sending of data - but doesn't help at all when it comes to battery drain. There will still be 20.000 events or so per day (which is a crazy amount) of the china spyware logging your location (and yeah mostly high accuracy, not low accuracy), trying to connect to chinese servers and other problems that you can only discover via Shizuku.
And NextDNS is not the right solution at all. I think even Adguard is a bit more efficient for this. The best one is Rething DNS+ - it's the only app that can block all system services (but then you cannot use another app for ad filtering like Adaware/Adguard).

This menu is not accessible via settings... But it exists
Needs to be accesses via activity launcher.
Actually private DNS exists too but is hidden by Vivo like so many other privacy related settings.. this OS is so rotten they try to hide everything that improves privacy...
Likely everything you write with Vivo secure keyboard has preferential upload to China servers
(This last one is sarcasm without proof, but don't believe anything this OS tells you about privacy because logs tell you it's lying)
Some more stuff of which a lot is hidden and not accessible
Go f**k standard vivo settings menu. The only problem is the real android settings menu is missing the search function. But it's feature complete (except the stuff Vivo really removed from Android which isn't too much.. mostly they just removed it from the settings menu)

This phone is a absolute garbage. Seems vivo blocks shizuku after some days of using it.
Found a Chinese tutorial on bilibili on what to do to solve it but that doesn't work anymore either.
Now vivo Push notifications spyware tries to send again notifications at a rate of 10-20 every second...
Basically the phone is a brick now, draining battery faster and faster with pushware and Abe having restored their permissions...
Also I cannot use ADB Appcontrol anymore - as it doesn't get permission (removing/restoring permission for ACBBridge didnt help).
I also activated Force Activity Resizeable in the developer options but that didn't change a thing... ( I think this only applies to apps that cannot get the pairing code via notifications and need the code entered in splitscreen - as if you switch screen the code is renewed)

'This phone is just one thing, Crap, crap, crap, crap, crap. Not a single day I don't want to use a hammer and trash it. It's simpy virtually impossible to fix the crapware/spyware of this phone.'
Patiently waiting

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This phone is a absolute garbage. Seems vivo blocks shizuku after some days of using it.
Found a Chinese tutorial on bilibili on what to do to solve it but that doesn't work anymore either.
Now vivo Push notifications spyware tries to send again notifications at a rate of 10-20 every second...
Basically the phone is a brick now, draining battery faster and faster with pushware and Abe having restored their permissions...
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Also I cannot use ADB Appcontrol anymore - as it doesn't get permission (removing/restoring permission for ACBBridge didnt help).
I also activated Force Activity Resizeable in the developer options but that didn't change a thing... ( I think this only applies to apps that cannot get the pairing code via notifications and need the code entered in splitscreen - as if you switch screen the code is renewed)
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Thank you Vivo, keep doing it to his phone

Any updates on this @extremecarver?
I'm using this and what I see so far is the battery drain cut down to around 5% overnight (6 hours). With plane mode ON, it lost about 3% in 6 hours, not too bad for me. However, when put it there on my desk when I'm working (with 4g signal covered, no data), for 8 hours it sucked around 10%, and with wifi on that number is around 20%. My old Huawei Mate 20 and S22U can do even better than this (just around 5% without wifi, and 10-15% with wifi).
In addition, I also found that the battery drain when using GPS on this phone is too much for me. Just 1 hour and it sucked about 12% with 4G data ON.

Yes - in order to really cut the battery drain you need to remove much more permissions. The problem is that Vivo restores them - you could try to restrict that but modifying "modify restricted settings/ files" or something similar - but maybe that is how I locked myself out.
You can go into the "keep awake" and "run in background" and put ignore on everything you think that is not absolutely needed. Android 12 and above should not use this keep awake but Vivo apparently does.
Then you culd restrict body sensor data to more apps/services.
But yes as long as there is no way to really remove vivo.abe and vivo push notifications the battery drain is not fixable. Then of course the modem sucks - and uses way too much power. That one is either hardware rubbish or software mess up. I rather guess a rubbish modem.
The worst is battery drain while outdoors doing sports without being in airplane mode even if you disable any access to body sensors for all apps normally (use "device Info" app for this to actually get to all services, then app ops for removing even more.

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Yes - in order to really cut the battery drain you need to remove much more permissions. The problem is that Vivo restores them - you could try to restrict that but modifying "modify restricted settings/ files" or something similar - but maybe that is how I locked myself out.
You can go into the wake something section and remove everything you think that is not needed. Android 12 and above should not use this - but Vivo apparently does.
Then you culd restrict body sensor data to more apps/services.
But yes as long as there is no way to really remove vivo.abe and vivo push notifications the battery drain is not fixable. Then of course the modem sucks - and uses way too much power. That one is either hardware rubbish or software mess up. I rather guess a rubbish modem.
The worst is battery drain while outdoors doing sports without being in airplane mode even if you disable any access to body sensors for all apps normally (use "device Info" app for this to actually get to all services, then app ops for removing even more.
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The phone is good overall, camera, design, performance, but the battery drain is destroying those good points. Not sure if vivo will fix this in the future or not, but my S22U did take more than 6 months to get some first stable updates, and it's super stable right now at 1 year.

Well I cannot call any phone good if it's basic functions like notifications and spyware are rubbish like hell - causing battery drain without end. And yeah - without root you can make it a bit better but cannot fix it. With root if would be quite doable (as long as Vivo doesn't introduce any killswitch like disabling stuff once vivo.abe or push notification service is uninstalled). Root for running adb commands would be enough. But vivo actively disabled this by making many apps removable only for user 1000.

ok so it seems no way to fix the rubbish battery life.
this thread convinced me to sell the phone for a s23 ultra, the battery life differences are huge given only the 300mah battery.
Very good phone ruined by battery life, I don't even care at this point about camera and other specs, I expected good battery life from a sd gen 2 with 4700 mah but i was clearly wrong.
My 1st and last vivo phone, too bad i'll lose tons of money now because is vivo is a no name here.

You lose tons of money everywhere as soon as you cannot return a Vivo phone anymore...
Btw, can someone show what permissions are on Android system by default?
I wonder if I'm missing some (screenshot from device info):
I never directly removed a permission from Android system, but I removed permissions from apps running as well on system.uid user, and sometimes they interact, sometimes they don't. Vivo really messed up the permissions because it's not possible to cleanly change permissions.
If you see the permissions given to push notifications it's anyhow clear than restricting any permissions to vivo apps to stop them to spy on you is like fighting windmills, because push notifications just about has any permission imaginable even after removing some with app ops. Here are the permissions left over from push notifications after removing any possible with app ops app.

Found the error why I couldn't access adb anymore. Shell system app somehow had all rights removed. Fixed it by exporting the apk and reinstalling it. Not locked out anymore and can use app ops again...
Strange thing though - on reboot shell went missing again. Not sure what the crap deletes shell on reboot. I'm pretty sure that's some kind of vivo killswitch if you remove rights via app ops commands from it's spyware.