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I'm talking iPhone 4 smooth. I played with it today. (No, I'm not a fanboy of either side, but I prefer Android!)
I'm usually using either Sense's Rosie, or when on froyo, LauncherPro.
I am a heavy widget user, and have either full screen or 2-3 widgets per screen.
The feel that you get when you launch an app on iPhone... just feels... like its popping up instead of zooming.
Anything you guys could recommend? Any specific ROM's?
ROM's I have tried:
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Launcher pro, or adw launcher. I personally prefer launcher pro, it also had some really nice extra features.
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Also regarding popping up instead of zooming if you are rooted, check out the spare parts app settings for the transition animations. Set them to fast if you wantt apps to pretty much pop instantly.
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ssj4vegita2002 said:
Also regarding popping up instead of zooming if you are rooted, check out the spare parts app settings for the transition animations. Set them to fast if you wantt apps to pretty much pop instantly.
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+1, what you're feeling is not related to the launcher, or the speed of the OS, it's just a design choice about the speed of the transitions. I agree with you so I made the transition speed about 30% faster [try to do that on an iPhone...]
I personally use Launcher Pro. It's absurdly fast. I've tried to get it to lag just to see what it would take but it's super responsive and won't miss a frame even if you want it to. The feature-set of Launcher Pro is quickly approaching that for ADW and it's much more polished.
I find both Launcher Pro and ADW.Launcher to be insanely fast too. I'm not sure about the OP, but if you are using a Live Wallpaper, try it with just a static one, then it is perfectly smooth while scrolling.
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I'm talking iPhone 4 smooth. I played with it today. (No, I'm not a fanboy of either side, but I prefer Android!)
I'm usually using either Sense's Rosie, or when on froyo, LauncherPro.
I am a heavy widget user, and have either full screen or 2-3 widgets per screen.
The feel that you get when you launch an app on iPhone... just feels... like its popping up instead of zooming.
Anything you guys could recommend? Any specific ROM's?
ROM's I have tried:
Desire R22.1
RoDrIgUeZsTyLe
Stock 2.2
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try cyanogen, can't get any smoother than that.
it comes with ADWLauncher which is nice too.
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+1, what you're feeling is not related to the launcher, or the speed of the OS, it's just a design choice about the speed of the transitions. I agree with you so I made the transition speed about 30% faster [try to do that on an iPhone...]
I personally use Launcher Pro. It's absurdly fast. I've tried to get it to lag just to see what it would take but it's super responsive and won't miss a frame even if you want it to. The feature-set of Launcher Pro is quickly approaching that for ADW and it's much more polished.
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My launcherPro lags when I have 2-3 widgets per page. I am using IntersectRaven's kernel, maybe it's that?
In Launcher Pro, set "memory usage" to "high".
HelixLauncher on 2.1 is the smoothest I've found. Unfortunately it doesn't work on 2.2 so I'm using ADW on Froyo.
Ok so I love android and all of it's openness and mods. I like to modify all electronics that I have. But the only problem I have with it is that it isn't smooth. I have had an iPhone in the past and it was smooth. It just confuses me how 1ghz can lag on a mobile os. I guess this rant is to ask how do I smooth the edges. I've tried many roms and some were better than others. One major thing I want is when I unlock it, when I slide homescreen, and when I open the app drawer to be smooth. Any ideas settings roms?
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Read through a lot of threads, and understand that there isn't what you're looking for. You might try MIUI, people report it as smooth - never tried it personally. Also, for launcher use LauncherPro, it's smooth.
About the gigahertz stuff: CPU speed doesn't matter as much as SW does. And there is no "smoothness support" yet.
Android isn't smooth. It's powerful, though. Personally, I like the trade off.
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Ok so I love android and all of it's openness and mods. I like to modify all electronics that I have. But the only problem I have with it is that it isn't smooth. I have had an iPhone in the past and it was smooth. It just confuses me how 1ghz can lag on a mobile os. I guess this rant is to ask how do I smooth the edges. I've tried many roms and some were better than others. One major thing I want is when I unlock it, when I slide homescreen, and when I open the app drawer to be smooth. Any ideas settings roms?
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delete all your apps, turn off all services, and it will run just like the iphone. kill every app after you use it. - that's what the iphone does.
You can tweak the internal task killer to speed up your phone. It takes some work and testing. This thread has the directions and explanations.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622666
Geo411m's ROM has these tweaks built in and they work really well.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7008637&highlight=internal+task+killer#post7008637
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You can tweak the internal task killer to speed up your phone. It takes some work and testing. This thread has the directions and explanations.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622666
Geo411m's ROM has these tweaks built in and they work really well.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7008637&highlight=internal+task+killer#post7008637
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This has been useless since Froyo. As I once researched and posted, Froyo kills the processes much earlier than Eclair (OOM=12 instead of 16) and considering the amount of memory on Nexus - you never get anywhere below 100MB free unless you run a super-heavy app, and those never stay in background.
Now these tweaks don't do a thing.
does power mean smoothness? I just don't get the concept of having a fast processor and not being smooth. I mean it is almost the same speed as my netbook... on a phone. It seems like that should be smooth. Maybe I'm asking for to much. But another thing I have seen videos of people on cyanogen and it is running smoothly with a live wallpaper. I have never got cyanogen to run smoothly for me even with a still wallpaper. Is there some magical setting everyone but me knows about?
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Read through a lot of threads, and understand that there isn't what you're looking for. You might try MIUI, people report it as smooth - never tried it personally. Also, for launcher use LauncherPro, it's smooth.
About the gigahertz stuff: CPU speed doesn't matter as much as SW does. And there is no "smoothness support" yet.
Android isn't smooth. It's powerful, though. Personally, I like the trade off.
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Power = ability to do things. Not CPU power, OS power.
Smoothness = frame rate of transitions between screens in UI. By most part, it's a result of heavy GPU utilization (which Android doesn't do stock) and programming that puts graphics as top priority (which isn't the case with Android). When CPU is made busy making beautiful graphics, it makes beautiful graphics. When it's not the main concern - it makes what it makes.
Again, you seem to be complaining about the launcher - otherwise you wouldn't bring this live wallpaper thing. So go download LauncherPro.
Folks go on about miui being smooth but personally I found it quite choppy at times, and this was most evident using the miui default launcher and comparing to say an iPhone 4, it looks very stuttery. Its better with launcherpro, but then you've lost half the reason for using it.
I am using cm6 and a theme (minimal matte fwiw ) and its very smooth and nice looking (and believe me I am very sensitive to, and loathe slow performance on a latest Gen phone).
Best compromise I've found yet on android.
I use the latest CM6 nightlies with Launcher Pro Plus and have a lot of widgets on my homescreen, smooth as butter.
I do remember the homescreen being a bit choppy when I ran 2.1 on my N1 though...
Have you messed with the performance settings? I hear that switching the performance setting to 24 instead of 34 helps. I'm not on cyanogen right now so I don't remember the exact setting but it is cyan settings then performance.
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I use the latest CM6 nightlies with Launcher Pro Plus and have a lot of widgets on my homescreen, smooth as butter.
I do remember the homescreen being a bit choppy when I ran 2.1 on my N1 though...
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Truth of the matter is, is that Android running as SMOOTH as an iPhone would be difficult, simply because the IOS operating system doesnt allow any applications to run in the background. Android has TONS of apps that run in the background, and its still smooth as hell if your running the right ROM.
In all honestly, as much as I LOVE enomther and cyan ROMS, MIUI is hands down the smoothest and fastest ROM I have ever used. Give it a shot. I promise that if you can get past the iPhonish look, you will LOVE the speed and fluidness of the ROM. I cant recommend it enough.
I have used the miui roms and they are awesome. But honestly I just feel like a sell out while running them.
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jakeneal22 said:
I have used the miui roms and they are awesome. But honestly I just feel like a sell out while running them.
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Lol. Why? Because it's iPhone-like? That's a pretty bad reason to not use a great rom...
Possibly I don't know. Do you suggest a bundle or do you suggest the original with langauge packs
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Original with launcher pro and language pack
jakeneal22 said:
Possibly I don't know. Do you suggest a bundle or do you suggest the original with langauge packs
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The reason why even iPhone 3G's can feel "smoother" than Android phones at most times: hardware acceleration.
Ever since the 2G they've had a dedicated GPU which was used to its fullest in basic UI interactions. We see phones like the SGS with freak GPUs but Android doesn't allow full use of them.
Phandroid made that article on a supposed "Gingerbread" leak. They claim it will introduce hardware acceleration. Hopefully thats true and we'll never hear complaints about a laggy UI again!
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The reason why even iPhone 3G's can feel "smoother" than Android phones at most times: hardware acceleration.
Ever since the 2G they've had a dedicated GPU which was used to its fullest in basic UI interactions. We see phones like the SGS with freak GPUs but Android doesn't allow full use of them.
Phandroid made that article on a supposed "Gingerbread" leak. They claim it will introduce hardware acceleration. Hopefully thats true and we'll never hear complaints about a laggy UI again!
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Yup, most of the smoothness complaints is just hardware acceleration complaints. After gingerbread if it has hardware acceleration, we won't hear the laggy UI issue, we'll just hear the bandwagon "Fragmentation!"
I've finally got a smooth handset. I'm on latest cyanogen with intersect raven kernel overclocked to 1333. I'm very impressed and I'm finally enjoying this phone. Btw I'm using launcher pro to
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One of my biggest issues with the OneX was the overly aggressive memory management that made multitasking impossible and plain broke some stuff. Even on my GS3 AT&T with 2GB of RAM the memory management is quite aggressive probably to help battery life or something. On my Nexus 4 however I can choose to leave apps running non stop for days at a time and they remain that way. Especially handy for Maps or Ingress BTW.
Anybody with one have a sense on how it is on the One? I'm hoping the extra 1GB of RAM helps but then Sense was always overly bloated and the whole blink feed thing can't have a small footprint.
Looking for thoughts since the phone is useless to me if it will continuously kill apps in the background.
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Well I dont know if the apps remain days after launching them but I got to tell You that its faaaar better than One X. The other day I opened 10tabs in the browser at the same time and no reloading. When it comes to new sense its like a night and day. Normally on my OneX ram usage was about 800MB without any app runnig. With The One I have 550MB from 1.5GB that is usable so that indicates that Sense 5 is a lot lighter and believe me... Its really fast. They got rid of most widgets, animations are more simple etc. Blinkfeed is kinda nice but it needs extended functionality.
Multitasking isn't an issue.
I've come from phones with 512Mb RAM - the dialer in particular used to get shut down all the time, leading to lag when someone rang, or when I wanted to boot the dialer up again to ring someone. I rooted those phones just so I could lock the dialer in memory.
The HTC One appears to do the same (well, the dialer eventually disappears from the recent apps list anyway), but even so, it is no problem. Using the dialer as an example, whether I have used it 5 minutes ago or six hours ago, when I press the dialer button it comes up straight away, i.e no laggy delay like previous phones. And the dialer comes up and the phone rings pretty much straight away when someone rings me (well, me ringing myself from my other phones to test the response time).
So more than enough RAM (and processing power) on the HTC One to not make it an issue any more, everything flies and all apps come straight up when you want them to. More than happy.
I know what u mean coming from the HTC one x and one x+ myself . HTC have solved the problem finally.. this baby can multitask properly.. and very quickly I might add
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I know what u mean coming from the HTC one x and one x+ myself . HTC have solved the problem finally.. this baby can multitask properly.. and very quickly I might add
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Can u pls tell me how much memory is free when u boot it up and let it settle...
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Regarding free RAM, out of the box there was about 1GB RAM free (1.5GB showing as available in the 'running apps' screen, with about 550MB used, or as it is displayed in Sense 5, '550MB/1.5GB').
I've now disabled all the stuff I don't need, and loaded Novalauncher, with six home screens full of widgets and app icons, and also Widgetlocker, i.e. quite a lot of stuff loaded - now it shows '825MB/1.5GB' (the range is about 775MB to 875MB from what I observe), which means roughly 600-700MB free RAM still, allegedly. That's without any specialist tweaking from me.
No slowdown or lag at all since I have loaded everything up.
Coming from the Nexus 4, multi tasking is a bit disappointing for me; it’s not a deal breaker but with the N4 I’d switch to an app I’d not touched in a week and it would be up, responsive and exactly where I’d left off a week later no matter what I’d done in the mean time. On the One however, apps sometimes have to reopen and - for me a more annoying behaviour- sometimes relatively recently used apps do a sort of ‘refresh’ when they first load up. The app seems to load up, but then it fades out and then back again, which means that although they usually pick up where they left off, they’re unresponsive for a second. It’s not all the time and it may sound like nit-picking but it feels like a fairly significant delay when everything else is so fast.
It’s also frustrating using certain apps where the refresh can lead to you losing progress; I was using a run tracker for example, stopped my run, multi tasked to music and stopped that, jumped in the shower and then switched back to the run log to sort out the details, but instead of loading my stats where I’d left it, or even reopening the app entirely, it showed an image of my runs stats just as i'd left it but then refreshed and loaded up a new run. Because i'd not pressed 'continue' in the app the run was lost. It's poor that the app didn't autosave before that point but it’s not unique behaviour either as I’ve had the same happen with office documents, games and other apps - seems very odd behaviour to me and not something i've seen in other phones where an app is either ready where it was left, or needs reopening.
If I’d gone straight from the SGS2 to this it wouldn’t be an issue but with the N4 showing me what can be done, I do feel that the One could use some improvement.
It also depends on the app, some apps for me dont save their state at all.
As soon as I switch app it reloads when I go back to it, however on my Senny with edited memory management the same app could be opened again at same state without reloads.
For me, every single app on the 9 recent apps grid will load instantly with no refresh.
Even the stock browser? That's the biggest culpit for me in terms of seemingly needless refreshing. Hopefully what im experiencing will be fixed either by HTC or a third party as if this phone had the N4's multitasking prowess - and there's no reason it can't imo - it would feel much, much better to me.
Yeah the browser is fine; are you on stock rom? Not sure if ARHD has any tweaks in regards to multitasking but it's good for me.
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Yeah the browser is fine; are you on stock rom? Not sure if ARHD has any tweaks in regards to multitasking but it's good for me.
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Yep completely stock - usually like to wait a few weeks before going down the custom rom route so i can get a good guage of the otb experience. If it fixes the muti-tasking i'll switch over to ARHD once i've fixed my N4 though
So some people are actually having the refresh problems again?
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I don’t know what the last generation HTC One’s were like but this isn’t terrible, it’s better at multi tasking than my S2 in general - just not as good as the N4 and the strange refreshing/redrawing behaviour seems totally pointless and counterintuitive.
At least it does that because of the battery !
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Arival said:
I don’t know what the last generation HTC One’s were like but this isn’t terrible, it’s better at multi tasking than my S2 in general - just not as good as the N4 and the strange refreshing/redrawing behaviour seems totally pointless and counterintuitive.
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It isn't pointless it helps save battery because it essentially freezes apps in the background so they don't use CPU. When you go back to them they then resume and have to refresh. So in the end it will help with battery - on a stock One X I used to easily get 5h screen on time. Never got close on a SGS3 or any other phone.
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Not going to lie but my Note 2 has never refreshed an app yet. If the One is plagued with refreshing and aggressive memory management its a deal breaker. Im just confused because some people say yes and others no to the problem. Which is it?
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Not going to lie but my Note 2 has never refreshed an app yet. If the One is plagued with refreshing and aggressive memory management its a deal breaker. Im just confused because some people say yes and others no to the problem. Which is it?
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As always it depends entirely on what apps you use and what state they report. The memory management on the One won't be for RAM reasons but CPU and battery reasons. The worse news is even after rooting and changing system settings some of the aggressive management on the One X was at the kernel level.
Given the extra memory on the One. I'm guessing it won't be as bad but you'll have to use it yourself to know for sure.
I'm currently on a Nexus 4 and this is the best Android multitasking I've ever seen on a phone ever.
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I think it also depends what phone you came from and how you use it. I constantly switch out between a dozen or so apps and am used to the nexus 4 which is pretty much flawless for multi tasking, but having used a one x+ side by side (literally 5 minutes ago) the one is massively improved, and it's also a lot better than my s2.
It's a damn fast phone and most of the time there's no issue, but it could still be improved slightly - I'll check out a custom rom this week and see if that does it.
I'm still very happy with my purchase - particularly since the battery life has improved significantly and now trounces what I got with the n4 in the same situation.
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Hi buddies,
I'm wondering something, in fact all lollipop rom we have for Mi3/Mi4 are a bit laggy even with Max frequency set and performance governor.
As example I'm always facing small lags when I scroll down quick tiles and when I have a notification at the same time. On nexus 5 there is not any of that kind of lag.
There are some other scroll down lags and Google now launcher lags sometime even with a well configured kernel.
So why no one of lollipop roms are really smooth as they are with nexus devices? Well I know android is made for nexus but we have such powerful devices that these lags are weird.
May a dev enlight me? Is it because kernel source code that we have from miui are made for Kitkat only? And you do you experiencing such kind of small lags?
Regards.
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I love my Note 4, and I spend a lot of time on it because of work, personal and to run/manage a blog. I'm definitely a heavy-user, which makes what I'm about to say even more upsetting : Multitasking on a stock Note 4 (and apparently the Note 5) sucks.
I know that it has everything to do with software, and it's so frustrating to see that it's not being addressed by Sammy.
Last night, after reading many complaints about the ultra-agressive memory management on the Note 5,I decided to do a little,unscientific test with my Note 4 and Note 2 running CM 12.1.
I set up a page on Nova launcher with some apps I use often, including twitter, Facebook pages manager, instagram, the calendar app, chrome and so on.
I cleared all running processes and ran System panel to keep an eye on free RAM. Right away I noticed that both devices start at pretty much the same free RAM, despite the note 4 having an extra GB. No biggie.
Then I run each app in a cycle, checking back with each one in the series to see when they start to reload/refresh.
On the Note 4, I was able to open around 5 apps before it needed to reload the app - disappointing.
But on the Note 2, I got to a staggering 15 apps running before I noticed it reloading. WHAT??
I've seen tests on the LG g4 and Zenfone 2 handling multitasking like a boss, but what the hell is going on with Samsung flagship phones?
No matter what I do, and I've tried a lot of tweaks and adjustments to improve memory management, it still sucks big time on my Note 4.
Will this ever get fixed? [emoji21]
i dont know how bad note 5 multitasking is. but note 4 multitasking is way better than s6 edge. not even comparable.and cm multitasking will always be better than samsung. since i wont ever need more than 5 apps at a time note 4 multitasking is ok for me but s6 is just bull**** sometimes it cant even open 2 tabs in browser and 2 app at a time generally not possible unless they are very tiny apps,
and note5 is going from same way i guess. most of the apps can continue from last phase too so i can understand it abit but it also gets very annoying sometimes bank or payments in browser gets killed and you cant do anything. but like i said havent had any problems on note 4 but s6 edge is very very bad.
I noticed that if u open the app from the launcher is different than with te recent button. If u try with the recent button I can reach 7/8 apps running no refresh
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EP2008 said:
I've seen tests on the LG g4 and Zenfone 2 handling multitasking like a boss, but what the hell is going on with Samsung flagship phones? Will this ever get fixed? [emoji21]
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Unfortunately it's TW. Using AOSP ROMs shows that multitasking is lightning fast and can actually multitask quite a few apps (I think like 10 at a time) however using TW shows us a very long delay before you can even open multitasking and you do notice it's "fake" multitasking because the apps have to reload everytime you open them if you use more then a few apps and switch back.
I don't think it will ever get fixed on our devices or even soon for that matter. It's been a known problem back since 4.4.4 and still hasn't been properly fixed in 5.1.1 (I don't expect to actually see official Android M on the Note 4, regardless of the rumors)
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Unfortunately it's TW. Using AOSP ROMs shows that multitasking is lightning fast and can actually multitask quite a few apps (I think like 10 at a time) however using TW shows us a very long delay before you can even open multitasking and you do notice it's "fake" multitasking because the apps have to reload everytime you open them if you use more then a few apps and switch back.
I don't think it will ever get fixed on our devices or even soon for that matter. It's been a known problem back since 4.4.4 and still hasn't been properly fixed in 5.1.1 (I don't expect to actually see official Android M on the Note 4, regardless of the rumors)
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Then I'll keep crossing my fingers for CyanogenMod to become available on the "U" variant :crying: