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I read on another forum that Titanium Backup does not work if you're using systemless root. Can anyone verify if this is true ?
If TB does work, how would I go about upgrading stock Android 6.01 rooted with TWRP to 6.0.1 with systemless root ?
aparanoidandroid said:
If TB does work, how would I go about upgrading stock Android 6.01 rooted with TWRP to 6.0.1 with systemless root ?
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Make backup's with TWRP.
NLBeev said:
Make backup's with TWRP.
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I know how to make backups with TB. That wasn't my question. My question is, how do I go from 6.0 rooted with SuperSU to 6.0.1 with systemless root (assuming TB works in 6.0.1)
aparanoidandroid said:
... how do I go from 6.0 rooted with SuperSU to 6.0.1 with systemless root (assuming TB works in 6.0.1)
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Read post 2153 of @Tylog in this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3059493
NLBeev said:
Read post 2153 of @Tylog in this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3059493
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So is SuperSU 2.61 the ZIP for Chainfire's systemless root ?
aparanoidandroid said:
So is SuperSU 2.61 the ZIP for Chainfire's systemless root ?
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Yes since version 2.6x.
NLBeev said:
Yes since version 2.6x.
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What about Titanium Backup ? Can anyone verify if it works or not with systemless root ? I read a post on Reddit where someone said that they were not able to use it with this root method. Do root apps need to be specifically modified for this type of rooting so it can recognize it ?
Also just to be clear, I am on stock Android 6.0 ROM, rooted and with TWRP recovery.
so the order that I would need following according to the post that you gave me is:
Flash 6.0.1 ROM
flash Update-unSU
flash SuperUser 2.61 or 2.52
Is that correct ? Can I dirty flash 6.0.1 over 6.0 ?
aparanoidandroid said:
What about Titanium Backup ? Can anyone verify if it works or not with systemless root ? I read a post on Reddit where someone said that they were not able to use it with this root method.
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Root apps with hard coded su-stuff needs to be updated for use with systemless root.
What I read....There is a new version 2.62 that solves compatibility issues. But Android Pay will not work.
NLBeev said:
Root apps with hard coded su-stuff needs to be updated for use with systemless root.
What I read....There is a new version 2.62 that solves compatibility issues. But Android Pay will not work.
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Oh really ? From what I read, Android Pay and OTA both do work using systemless root although many people think that Google will find a way to block Android Pay again. Its one of the reasons I wanted to use systemless root in the first place.
aparanoidandroid said:
Oh really ? From what I read, Android Pay and OTA both do work using systemless root..
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Not with version 2.62. Info in the SuperSU thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64161125
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Not with version 2.62. Info in the SuperSU thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64161125
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OK. Thanks for the info.
Yes, TB works with systemless root.
I was running stock 6.0 w/ root (a few xposed mods) and here's what I did:
Wiped system, flashed Cataclysm, flashed SU 2.61, rebooted, profit.
I also manually updated the radio by using fastboot, for what it's worth. AdAway made me create a simlink with the systemless root, but TB seemed to work just fine.
EDIT: I wiped system before anything as I knew it would get rid of any root files and anything related to Xposed. Phone has been running great, but I haven't re-done Xposed as the only modules I really used were GravityBox and YouTubeAdAway. Catacylsm has almost all the features I used in GB so no need to do both. I might put Xposed on tonight for kicks, but I don't really need it for anything right now.
hayzooos said:
Yes, TB works with systemless root.
I was running stock 6.0 w/ root (a few xposed mods) and here's what I did:
Wiped system, flashed Cataclysm, flashed SU 2.61, rebooted, profit.
I also manually updated the radio by using fastboot, for what it's worth. AdAway made me create a simlink with the systemless root, but TB seemed to work just fine.
EDIT: I wiped system before anything as I knew it would get rid of any root files and anything related to Xposed. Phone has been running great, but I haven't re-done Xposed as the only modules I really used were GravityBox and YouTubeAdAway. Catacylsm has almost all the features I used in GB so no need to do both. I might put Xposed on tonight for kicks, but I don't really need it for anything right now.
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thanks but what happens when you wipe system ? What will I lose other than root ?
aparanoidandroid said:
thanks but what happens when you wipe system ? What will I lose other than root ?
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Anything Xposed related will be gone, but other than that...nothing. All apps, settings, etc of mine were all retained. Wifi networks, bluetooth connections, all those stayed. Wallpaper, Nova Launcher setup/settings, stayed.
Most ROMs have built in their script to wipe the system partition before flashing anyway, so you're likely already doing it if you're flashing ROMs. I just wanted to start with a pretty clean slate and check to see if anything in data was causing issues, and nothing so far.
Titanium Backup 7.4.0.2 and System Root was working about 2 weeks ago FLAWLESSLY
My last Titanium Backup was on July 7, 2016 with Systemless root, with XPosed, Gavitybox for MM and Stock 6.0 ROM Build MPHS24.49-18-3. I have been using Titanium Backup since I got my MOTO X Pure (2015) in May of 2016, and everything is working great, except I just noticed that Titanium Backup v 7.4.0.2 states
"Error
Sorry,
I could not acquire root privileges.
This application will *not* work! Please
verify that your ROM is rooted, and try
again.
This attempt was made using the "/system/
bin/su"command."
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My last Titanium Backup was on July 7, 2016 with Systemless root, with XPosed, Gavitybox for MM and Stock 6.0 ROM Build MPHS24.49-18-3. I have been using Titanium Backup since I got my MOTO X Pure (2015) in May of 2016, and everything is working great, except I just noticed that Titanium Backup v 7.4.0.2 states
"Error
Sorry,
I could not acquire root privileges.
This application will *not* work! Please
verify that your ROM is rooted, and try
again.
This attempt was made using the "/system/
bin/su"command."
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Do you have Busybox installed? If not, that may be why. Had the same issue, installed Busybox to /su/xbin, and all is good now.
Gravity Box works with XPosed Framework, which ONLY works with "BusyBox on Rails", which I do have installed. Not sure if I can tell it where to install BusyBox, but it seems to be working now.
Does anyone have a clue to get magisk and titanium backup to work with each other... TB does not seem to ask for Root, seems to simply bypass it...
-----Nevermind, just make sure you have unticked Magisk Hide- in Settings. WORKS!
Hey guys! So I read around about rooting Android 6.0.1 and I only see systemless root. I am rooted right now using systemless root and it works fine, but my question is, is there a way to root 6.0.1 with traditional system root? Or is systemless the only way? Just curious really. Will systemless most likely be the future of rooting and the way it's going to have to be done from now on to keep Android Pay working?
Sent from my Nexus 6
I don't know of anyone who's made the kernel mods required for traditional root. I'd say that systemless root is probably going to be the only way to root from now on at least on nexus devices. Chainfire outlines things that don't work with systemless root on the supersu forums.
StykerB said:
I don't know of anyone who's made the kernel mods required for traditional root. I'd say that systemless root is probably going to be the only way to root from now on at least on nexus devices. Chainfire outlines things that don't work with systemless root on the supersu forums.
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Thanks for the response! And I wonder if it will be what it is for now! It's the only way to keep Android Pay working while the device is rooted correct? Android Pay refuses to work with a traditionally rooted device?
Sent from my Nexus 6
StykerB said:
I don't know of anyone who's made the kernel mods required for traditional root. I'd say that systemless root is probably going to be the only way to root from now on at least on nexus devices. Chainfire outlines things that don't work with systemless root on the supersu forums.
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I did. I still use SU2.52. But only until this weekend. I'm switching to systemless too.
Actually building a permissive kernel is really straightforward, needs one line of code added. The build is about five minuters then with abootimg you can just replace the existing with the newly buil kernel in the boot.img, and flash it.
I can give you details if you're interested.
Hi
I have a serious problem with ES File Explorer. This app (and maybe other Apps) says device isn't root, since I cant use ES in root explorer mode.
I heard Titanium Backup has the same issue with this future root!
now I back to 6.0 and waiting for a solution.
kamkar said:
Hi
I have a serious problem with ES File Explorer. This app (and maybe other Apps) says device isn't root, since I cant use ES in root explorer mode.
I heard Titanium Backup has the same issue with this future root!
now I back to 6.0 and waiting for a solution.
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Mine works perfectly.
kamkar said:
Hi
I have a serious problem with ES File Explorer. This app (and maybe other Apps) says device isn't root, since I cant use ES in root explorer mode.
I heard Titanium Backup has the same issue with this future root!
now I back to 6.0 and waiting for a solution.
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The first systemless root did that, go back to that thread and get the newest version and flash that, fixed that issue.
Sent from my Nexus 6
Krzysiek_CK said:
Mine works perfectly.
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How? I pass this steps to install and root 6.0.1:
First of all, I have a clean install of 6.0.1
then flash TWRP
In TWRP, install SuperSU 2.61 that flash a custom boot.img automatically. after dalvik/cash wipe, reboot to OS
After that, reboot to recovery again and flash a custom kernel
but supersu doesn't work and ES file explorer says device doesn't have root permission.
however, I need read/write permission in /system folder to delete some useless apks
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The first systemless root did that, go back to that thread and get the newest version and flash that, fixed that issue.
Sent from my Nexus 6
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I tested 2.61, is problem fixed in 2.62.3? because I must flash 6.0.1 and setup phone again!
i rooted the old fashioned way, there's no difference except you also have to flash a custom kernel when flashing supersu.
simms22 said:
i rooted the old fashioned way, there's no difference except you also have to flash a custom kernel when flashing supersu.
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Same way it was with 6.0 right? And Android Pay doesn't work with traditional root? Does it break anything else besides Android Pay?
Sent from my Nexus 6
H4X0R46 said:
Same way it was with 6.0 right? And Android Pay doesn't work with traditional root? Does it break anything else besides Android Pay?
Sent from my Nexus 6
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ive no use for pay, so never tried. i assume its broken..
Sorry,
I have a Nexus 6 with 6.0.
I am trying to find how to update to 6.0.1 with no-enforced-encryption and then do a systemless rooting but I cannot find the instructions to do this
Seems that just flashing stock, TWRP and the flashing supersu 2.61 from there is enough to have systemless root, right?
but what about no-force-encrypt?
Probably I am changing the discussion but have not found a good thread, apologies.
Thanks in advance.
carmatana said:
Sorry,
I have a Nexus 6 with 6.0.
I am trying to find how to update to 6.0.1 with no-enforced-encryption and then do a systemless rooting but I cannot find the instructions to do this
Seems that just flashing stock, TWRP and the flashing supersu 2.61 from there is enough to have systemless root, right?
but what about no-force-encrypt?
Probably I am changing the discussion but have not found a good thread, apologies.
Thanks in advance.
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What you probably wanna do is go for a custom kernel that doesn't force encryption. Most if not all don't force it! Elementalx is a good one, maybe elite kernel, and so many others! I use ElementalX on mine, my favorite kernel. www.elementalx.org if you wanna try that one! Others are found here on XDA!
EDIT: Looks like elementalx says to use SuperSU 2.61 or later, which is systemless, I would try another. Maybe elite or another one.
H4X0R46 said:
What you probably wanna do is go for a custom kernel that doesn't force encryption. Most if not all don't force it! Elementalx is a good one, maybe elite kernel, and so many others! I use ElementalX on mine, my favorite kernel. www.elementalx.org if you wanna try that one! Others are found here on XDA!
EDIT: Looks like elementalx says to use SuperSU 2.61 or later, which is systemless, I would try another. Maybe elite or another one.
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Thanks !!! I will check them, I always have tried to be as close to stock as possible but I think it is time to try something new.
One question: Do Custom Kernels interfere with OTA updates?, this is one of the advertised advantages of systemless rooting and is one of my favorites.
Thanks again
carmatana said:
Thanks !!! I will check them, I always have tried to be as close to stock as possible but I think it is time to try something new.
One question: Do Custom Kernels interfere with OTA updates?, this is one of the advertised advantages of systemless rooting and is one of my favorites.
Thanks again
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I would say yes, I'm 90% sure but could be wrong. I would flash the a new update with fastboot.
carmatana said:
Thanks !!! I will check them, I always have tried to be as close to stock as possible but I think it is time to try something new.
One question: Do Custom Kernels interfere with OTA updates?, this is one of the advertised advantages of systemless rooting and is one of my favorites.
Thanks again
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Any mod stops ota's. Root, kernels....You will have to flash full images to get updates. You can skip the userdata part and save your apps and data. But you will have to flash.
Not a big deal, it an extra couple of commands just like the kernel you want to flash.
Thanks!
kamkar said:
How? I pass this steps to install and root 6.0.1:
First of all, I have a clean install of 6.0.1
then flash TWRP
In TWRP, install SuperSU 2.61 that flash a custom boot.img automatically. after dalvik/cash wipe, reboot to OS
After that, reboot to recovery again and flash a custom kernel
but supersu doesn't work and ES file explorer says device doesn't have root permission.
however, I need read/write permission in /system folder to delete some useless apks
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Clean 6.0.1 followed by systemless root installation as expained in the Root done right thread.
Hi guys, I am getting tired of not being able to use several banking apps, and therefore would like to unroot the phone. I've tried several hide my root apps, including RootCload and xpsosed framework without success. Would be grateful if anyone could help me to do a perm unroot. I've tried the full unroot functionality in SuperSU, but that doesn't seem to work. Are there any ADB commands or any files I can flash in order to unroot? Btw, running CyanogenMod 13 st. of Sept version.
All help greatly appreciated.
killbox said:
Hi guys, I am getting tired of not being able to use several banking apps, and therefore would like to unroot the phone. I've tried several hide my root apps, including RootCload and xpsosed framework without success. Would be grateful if anyone could help me to do a perm unroot. I've tried the full unroot functionality in SuperSU, but that doesn't seem to work. Are there any ADB commands or any files I can flash in order to unroot? Btw, running CyanogenMod 13 st. of Sept version.
All help greatly appreciated.
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As far as I know you can't disable root access in Cyanogen, even if you turn it of in developer settings.
sent from my Mi5
CM (since 12? 13?) has its own root mechanism which is built into the ROM, you can't disable that.
Ah, ok. That seems to add up, since I've tried several options to disable it. Are there any ways to hide the root that actually work? rootcloak and xposed framework didn't work for me.
killbox said:
Ah, ok. That seems to add up, since I've tried several options to disable it. Are there any ways to hide the root that actually work? rootcloak and xposed framework didn't work for me.
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Like everybody has stated: CM and root are combine
If you like unroot, then loose CM and flash Miui using fastboot
marcel112 said:
Like everybody has stated: CM and root are combine
If you like unroot, then loose CM and flash Miui using fastboot
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If you build with "eng" or "userdebug", yes.
If you build with "user" then no root is included, you need then SuperSU or similar to get root access back.
I have such a "user" build with own releasekeys available, if someome wants to test his apps with it, let me know.
I plan on rooting pretty much immediately, and was hoping to use FreedomOS (not sure it will be supported early, but I'll switch when it is). Either way, how difficult is it to set up systemless root and Xposed? I used to play PokemonGO on my LG V10, but I won't sacrifice root for one game that I use for walks/fun. Same applies here, but I heard systemless solves this issue. Any insight if this will be supported?
It's fairly easy. Unlock your bootloader as soon as you get your phone so you don't need to wipe, and setup your pc with fastboot/adb. Then once twrp is released it's just a matter of flashing that and using it to flash the zip files you need. You can find a lot of guides around XDA for how to setup ADB/fastboot and bypass root checks with xposed.
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It's fairly easy. Unlock your bootloader as soon as you get your phone so you don't need to wipe, and setup your pc with fastboot/adb. Then once twrp is released it's just a matter of flashing that and using it to flash the zip files you need. You can find a lot of guides around XDA for how to setup ADB/fastboot and bypass root checks with xposed.
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I assume it's a per app basis on going systemless/bypassing root checks, or is it all handled in Xposed now? Just curious, and thanks for the answer!
You have to hide su per app with suhide for pokemon go. For safetynet apps you need a custom kernel and rootswitch to pass.
namanjr said:
You have to hide su per app with suhide for pokemon go. For safetynet apps you need a custom kernel and rootswitch to pass.
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suhide not working with november update....
oTeMpLo said:
suhide not working with november update....
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Systemless still work? Different install IIRC.
oTeMpLo said:
suhide not working with november update....
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you can use suhide with a open source rom by removing this https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/b8be33b0bedec211708c4525b9d3f3b4effb385c
Anyone do any tests to get PGo working with root? I have SuperSU installed systemless, but when I tried to install SUhide or whatever it's called, my phone wouldn't get past the boot logo so I had to uninstall it.
ive rooted and unrooted my nexus 6 a dozen times. when rooted, i edit the build.prop to disable the tethering eligibility check and install adaway... but this has always been done on the stock rom.
now, i'm interested in trying some custom roms. just... because.
are there any that automatically disable the tether eligibility check? or do i have to root and edit the build.prop still? what about adaway? do i have to root for that, too? or do some custom roms give automatic root?
-Peter
PureNexus does for sure.
Thanks, mate. Just to make sure:
Does flashing PureNexus automatically root for you?
Or
Does PureNexus turn off the tethering check and allow AdAway even without root?
-Peter
pcrussell50 said:
Thanks, mate. Just to make sure:
Does flashing PureNexus automatically root for you?
Or
Does PureNexus turn off the tethering check and allow AdAway even without root?
-Peter
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You will need an unlocked bootloader and TWRP to flash it. I do not believe the rom includes a root package, so you will need to flash your preferred root app (phh, Magisk, or SuperSU). If you do not flash a root package, you will not be able to use AdAway. The tethering check is turned off in the rom.
that's what i needed to know thanks.