working Android Auto app with rooted rom? - T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I'm no stranger to development here but have been out for a while. I just got a new car with a touch screen and continued to add Android Auto app for navigation etc. I was still on kitkat lol due to difficulty of going back and horror stories of poor batter life on lollipop/marshmallow. So... I went ahead to latest stock marshmallow. it works fine and AA is nice. As soon as I decided to root with permissive kernel, auto app stops working. Apparently, it's beastmode kernel. The question is, does anyone know if a particular rom or kernel works well with android auto for the t910? Does old school root (non systemless) work with just a stock kernel? Thanks for any help, fellas!

Well, I got it working if anyone's interested or was stuck in the same position as me. Apparently, systemless root isn't too bad once you figure out how to do everything. Just follow this threads directions. https://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/unofficial-systemless-xposed-t3388268 Install the TWRP recovery via Odin, flash SU systemless root, install the xposed installer from that thread, install magisk manager, flash the zip magisk provides after letting it auto select the position in recovery, then install the systemless root version of xposed via xposed installer. It sounds a bit daunting but if you know how to use Odin well enough you can always recover if you get stuck in a bootloop. It's not as nice as old style root (there do seem to be some limitations but at least Android Auto works and your phone isn't so limited as stock. I got AdAway to work, YouTube Background Playback module, and SD card fix for marshmallow. Maybe this is known to many people already but our sub-forum seems to be dead since our phones are so old now.
On a final note, there aren't many new phones to choose from if you want a higher-end phone with a removable battery. The only one that seems worth it is the LG V20. It seems like the G6 and V30 won't have removable batteries. Samsung seems like they're making a new Note but I doubt it will have a removable battery. They seem to be disappearing. If they had used one on the last Note.... The exploding battery issue could have been fixed rather easily and way less embarrassingly.
I hope this helps someone!

A More Simple Solution
This post is for anyone who ran into this same issue recently just as I have. There is a simpler way to resolve it. I installed a new Kenwood navigation unit into my 2000 Nissan Maxima. I'm on a custom ROM with BeastMode kernel. All I did to resolve the issue was replaced BeastMode kernel with Emotion kernel version r26. Now I'm able to use Android Auto with my new navigation unit. If you find yourself in this situation, go to the link below and download the latest kernel from Emotion.
Emotion thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/orig-development/tw-kernel-emotroid-team-t2990557

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Android Pay on Custom ROM?

So Google wallet didn't work because of like of open source modules for part of the NFC hardware. Has anyone tried Android Pay on something like CyanogenMod? I think its supposed to work a bit differently and it says it should work on any device with NFC. I"m on the stock rom and needed to unroot before it worked, you may need to turn it off in your settings.
Thanks!
Lots of muddy water out there right now. Some people working, others not. I'm on a stock, deodexed 5.1 rom flashed through TWRP. I can't get it to work for the life of me. Tried root cloak, couple of xposed modules, etc. No go. Keep getting the compatibility error when trying to add a card.
I'm on the stock ROM but am rooted and have an unlocked bootloader and I too could not add a card to Android Pay because 'Google is unable to verify that your device or the software running on it is Android compatible'.
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[ROM] [Stock] J320A/J320AZ/J320AG deodex'd

Today i bring you the very first rom for our device.
It's only stock, but the installer includes enough options to keep us happy for a while.
The core installation includes a stripped down system menu with Google play and contacts. I also added, by default, the WiFi fix and hotspot mod. The rest of what you install is your choice.
Aroma options:
Choose which J320 you own
Debloat (fully customizable)
Deknox
Install root
Install busybox
Install Init.d
Install Xposed
Bugs:
None
If you find any let me know, but if you do not wipe, please don't even report bugs.
Link:
Download
Installation:
Flashfire
Enjoy
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This uses the same base files for each room, AQG1. So even tho the highest firmware for J320AG is only AQB1 you still get the July security update (minus the new sboot)
All devices are interchangable for me, on Cricket. Depending on your carrier maybe they'll all work for you too.
I have AT&T Samsung Galaxy Express Prime GoPhone, J320A. Owned it for one week. It has been carrier-unlocked. I'm now using T-Mobile SIM. Seems to work OK. Only issue I can find is where the SIM status page does not show my phone number.
I would appreciate pointers or maybe a place to look for installation steps. I assume I'll to need to root via Kingroot then replace with SuperSU (if possible). Then install FlashFire.​ I have rooted and installed ROMs on other devices (Galaxy Exhibit, 2012 Nexus tablet, Moto G), but seemingly devices are more locked-down these days. I understand that TWRP is not available for this device and likely will not be.
Last year, I bought a couple of inexpensive T-Mobile phones and "rooted" them with KingRoot which is still installed on those phones. (Not really thrilled about that.) I put rooted in quotes because it doesn't quite behave like a fully-rooted phone, IMO. I'm not very expert in these things, but I know how to follow steps and have used ODIN, TWRP, et cetera.
I'm leery of working with these more locked-down phones. Am I being paranoid and/or incorrect about these matters?
BTW, thanks for the ROM! I'm surprised there aren't more replies.
Maybe this phone is not as popular as I think it should be. Maybe it's too low-spec for the tech-savvy crowd. I got mine for just $64 at Walmart online, but they've since raised the price to $79. Seems like a good deal, even at that price.
I paid $15 to carrier-unlock it. I had to flash firmware (modem file?) before unlocking, then flash another file (restored modem?) after unlocking. I was following emailed instructions after the initial unlock procedure failed.
Here's the root thread
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-j3-2016/how-to/root-samsung-sm-j320a-galaxy-express-t3573628
There's a xposed module that does just that, never tried it tho, and of course it's not permanent.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...pp-sim-changer-change-registered-sim-t2106490
I definitely like the phone and yeah, it's a good price.
Being locked does hurt it tho. No easy recovery and no roms from source. The only thing we might get will be ported. And with no kernel, porting is a pain to track down problems... but i like a challenge
My J3 was unlocked out of the box? Still don't quite get the different names for it though. Rooted with infixremix method and worked fi e until its download caused the dialer to crash whenever it was opened. Still trying to sort out the mess I made of this one.
original stock
hey do any of you guys know where I can get the original firmware to restore this device? mine is the S/W: j320aueu1ape9
on the box it says j320x UD
Odin files are posted here
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-j3-2016/how-to/root-samsung-sm-j320a-galaxy-express-t3573628
How is this ROM working out?
Can anyone -- or DamienMc, the creator -- post a review of how this ROM is working out? Brief or long; any type of review would be appreciated.
I'm thinking of trying this ROM and I haven't rooted my phone yet.
Although I did unlock the carrier via a paid unlocker site. I'm using it on T-Mobile with no apparent issues. My phone is stock, of course, except for being carrier-unlocked. …Several questions, if I might:
Are those "extra" AT&T and Samsung accounts present? (ref. screenshot)
Are Samsung factory (i.e.: theme-able) dialer, messaging, and contacts apps installed?
Is it still possible to theme the UI with the Samsung theme installer?
Finally, which bloat icons have been purged? (ref. screenshot) I realize one's idea of bloat may vary from individual.
Any feedback or commentary is welcome. Thank you for your consideration.
could it work on J320H?
i know it's for 320A/Az but i want to try it
danny8 said:
Can anyone -- or DamienMc, the creator -- post a review of how this ROM is working out? Brief or long; any type of review would be appreciated.
Any feedback or commentary is welcome. Thank you for your consideration.
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I'm not going to review it (someone else can)
But I used it heavily before I started work on something new.
It's as stable as stock... cause it is stock Nothing tweaked just the few add-ons to let you tweak it easier.
About the bloat.
I did notice I should have left Samsung account (and maybe billing) with the standard install. Because you can't use the theme store without them. But they're in 'bloat'.
You can always install all the debloat options and have 100% deodex stock and edit to your liking.
hamzaeid said:
could it work on J320H?
i know it's for 320A/Az but i want to try it
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Sorry bud, different chipset
How do we flash this to our device mainly because twrp and cwm ain't a thing for the j320a. Also I'm using kingroot and I cannot go to su I've tried also flashify does not work either does flashfire how would you go about rooting with su cause I've tried the mrw method and contanstaly it would pop up kinguser has stopped working so do you have another method of rooting the J320A. I just followed the first post about rooting it.
iiFir3z said:
How do we flash this to our device mainly because twrp and cwm ain't a thing for the j320a. Also I'm using kingroot and I cannot go to su I've tried also flashify does not work either does flashfire how would you go about rooting with su cause I've tried the mrw method and contanstaly it would pop up kinguser has stopped working so do you have another method of rooting the J320A. I just followed the first post about rooting it.
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I just rooted my phone with Kingroot and used the mrw method to remove it well keeping my root. after got Su in my terminal emulator, I deleted the kingroot apk not the app itself. then just installed SuperSu thru my play store and been working just fine for me.
gus8347 said:
I just rooted my phone with Kingroot and used the mrw method to remove it well keeping my root. after got Su in my terminal emulator, I deleted the kingroot apk not the app itself. then just installed SuperSu thru my play store and been working just fine for me.
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I've tried that it would just constantly spam me with kinguser has stopped working and that message would constantly spam me so I'm not ever using that way again.
iiFir3z said:
I've tried that it would just constantly spam me with kinguser has stopped working and that message would constantly spam me so I'm not ever using that way again.
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Yeah i guess i never had kinguser app or apk i had to delete. Was just kingroot apk that i downloaded and used.
iiFir3z said:
I've tried that it would just constantly spam me with kinguser has stopped working and that message would constantly spam me so I'm not ever using that way again.
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After mrc and kinguser crashes you should have supersu. You need to run that first, let it update the files and then reboot.
If su doesn't even get installed, have the apk ready and install.
Another thing you should make sure your really rooted, reboot after king and recheck.
Also what versions of kingroot and mrw are you using?
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I'm using Kingroot and I cannot go to SU. I've tried also Flashify does not work. Either does Flashfire. How would you go about rooting with SU…
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I followed the rooting thread OP directions carefully and had many problems. My initial Kingroot was really ugly and heated the phone. I then attempted to use SuperSU-Me Pro (paid version). It was never able to complete, even after several tries. I struggled using various techniques over many hours. (I did have root with Kingroot.) Nothing would remove Kingroot 5.0.5, and as you probably know, Kingroot won't allow for many apps such as Flashfire. Very frustrating. I probably shortened the life of my phone and battery with all the crap I tried. Many pulls of my battery were needed.
I finally wrested control from Kingroot by uninstalling version 5.0.5 and installing Kingroot 4.5 instead. Then SuperSU-Me Pro did its work. Had I used Kingroot 4.5 from the outset, would things would have gone better? I don't know. The rooting process for this phone is a one-way trip with a dubious outcome. I know the Express Prime is not costly, but if you're risk adverse think twice before trying to root. I suppose you can undo the whole thing, but I haven't tried and likely will not.
Despite the problems I had, I believe using SuperSU-Me Pro was worth the cost and ultimately saved time. I'm glad I rooted my phone, but -- damn, it was a lot of effort compared to previous phones and my tablet.
I have not tried the de-odexed ROM posted in this thread's OP, but it's on my to-do list. I'm kind of afraid of messing with my phone for the time being. I'll post a review if and when I try it out.
For what it's worth, I wasn't able to get my built-in flashlight toggle to work. I ran the fix script via flashfire with no success. Update: Fixed after installing Busybox. Thanks, DamienMc!
danny8 said:
I wasn't able to get my built-in flashlight toggle to work. I ran the fix script via flashfire with no success.
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You need busybox installed as well
Busybox
Oh, you're very good. It works!
Help! After flashing the rom, it does not let me log in to the google account and I can not exit that screen, the message it displays is as follows:
danny8 said:
I have AT&T Samsung Galaxy Express Prime GoPhone, J320A. Owned it for one week. It has been carrier-unlocked. I'm now using T-Mobile SIM. Seems to work OK. Only issue I can find is where the SIM status page does not show my phone number.
I would appreciate pointers or maybe a place to look for installation steps. I assume I'll to need to root via Kingroot then replace with SuperSU (if possible). Then install FlashFire.​ I have rooted and installed ROMs on other devices (Galaxy Exhibit, 2012 Nexus tablet, Moto G), but seemingly devices are more locked-down these days. I understand that TWRP is not available for this device and likely will not be.
Last year, I bought a couple of inexpensive T-Mobile phones and "rooted" them with KingRoot which is still installed on those phones. (Not really thrilled about that.) I put rooted in quotes because it doesn't quite behave like a fully-rooted phone, IMO. I'm not very expert in these things, but I know how to follow steps and have used ODIN, TWRP, et cetera.
I'm leery of working with these more locked-down phones. Am I being paranoid and/or incorrect about these matters?
BTW, thanks for the ROM! I'm surprised there aren't more replies.
Maybe this phone is not as popular as I think it should be. Maybe it's too low-spec for the tech-savvy crowd. I got mine for just $64 at Walmart online, but they've since raised the price to $79. Seems like a good deal, even at that price.
I paid $15 to carrier-unlock it. I had to flash firmware (modem file?) before unlocking, then flash another file (restored modem?) after unlocking. I was following emailed instructions after the initial unlock procedure failed.
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Could you please tell the name of the service/company you used to carrier-unlock it ? (I'm in the same situation) Thanks! @danny8

[Q] Stock ROM full OMS support?

Are there any ROMs or mods available that provide full s support in a stock ROM (factory) format? Looking particularly to be able to mod battery icons with Substratum. TIA
Stock ROMs only have legacy support with Substratum, so modifying a stock ROM's battery indicator using Substratum is not possible. Virtually all custom ROMs built from scratch, and not modified from a factory image, will have full OMS support to do what you want. One of the best ROMs is Pure Nexus. It retains the stock look and feel while adding a few nice features, such as enabling the LED in the top speaker grille, changing the battery indicator, changing the height of the navigation bar, and more.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Stock ROMs only have legacy support with Substratum, so modifying a stock ROM's battery indicator using Substratum is not possible. Virtually all custom ROMs built from scratch, and not modified from a factory image, will have full OMS support to do what you want. One of the best ROMs is Pure Nexus. It retains the stock look and feel while adding a few nice features, such as enabling the LED in the top speaker grille, changing the battery indicator, changing the height of the navigation bar, and more.
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Thanks for the info. I'm very familiar with most 3rd party ROMs. Main reason I don't use PN is because Samsung Pay (Gear S3) detects root, even if unrooted or using Magisk Hide. Great ROM otherwise.
Your conclusion that the ROM is at fault is flawed, as it is a known fact there are methods of detecting root that bypass Magisk.In some cases an unlocked bootloader is enough to prevent an app from working. Pure Nexus uses release keys specifically because some banking apps refused to work when the ROM used test keys. If the copy of Pure Nexus you tried had test keys that would also explain Samsung Pay not working.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Your conclusion that the ROM is at fault is flawed, as it is a known fact there are methods of detecting root that bypass Magisk.In some cases an unlocked bootloader is enough to prevent an app from working. Pure Nexus uses release keys specifically because some banking apps refused to work when the ROM used test keys. If the copy of Pure Nexus you tried had test keys that would also explain Samsung Pay not working.
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Samsung Pay is detecting something other than a locked bootloader and something way beyond simply a rooted device. It definitely seems to be ROM dependent. Early on it was dependent on keys or at least the keys statement in the build.prop. From what I remember, all the tests below pass SafetyNet, so SP is even looking at things other than simply a SafetyNet green light.
My findings so far:
- Pure Nexus = SP detects root, even if unrooted. Kernels that hide unlocked bootloader, like Blackbird, don't fix the issue. Just tested today since it's using private keys now.
- SIX = SP detects root, probably because it's based on PN
- SCREWD = SP detects root (don't recall if this passes SafetyNet)
- Resurrection Remix = SP detects root
- Factory = SP works fine unrooted, works fine with root and Magiskhide
- Vanilla ROM = SP works fine unrooted, works fine with root and Magiskhide, works fine with stock kernel
- LineageOS = SP works fine unrooted, works fine with root and Magiskhide, works fine with stock kernel
- Crdoid (LOS Based) = SP works fine unrooted, works fine with root and Magiskhide, works fine with stock kernel
- Dirty Unicorns = SP works fine unrooted, works fine with root and Magiskhide, works fine with stock kernel
Again, the ROM is not at fault here. The issue is with Samsung Pay, not the ROM. The fact it detects root on Pure Nexus with no root method installed is proof of that.
We are deviating a bit from the original topic, thus I'm ending the discussion here. You already have the answer to your original question regarding OMS. Since modifying the battery indicator with Substratum is not possible, your options are below.
1. Modify the stock battery indicator with the 3-minute mod, but be prepared for Samsung Pay to stop working.
2. Install "Battery Percent Overlay" from the Play Store and set its location to be on top of the battery indicator. This way Samsung Pay is guaranteed to function.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Again, the ROM is not at fault here. The issue is with Samsung Pay, not the ROM. The fact it detects root on Pure Nexus with no root method installed is proof of that.
We are deviating a bit from the original topic, thus I'm ending the discussion here. You already have the answer to your original question regarding OMS. Since modifying the battery indicator with Substratum is not possible, your options are below.
1. Modify the stock battery indicator with the 3-minute mod, but be prepared for Samsung Pay to stop working.
2. Install "Battery Percent Overlay" from the Play Store and set its location to be on top of the battery indicator. This way Samsung Pay is guaranteed to function.
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Thanks again for the info on the battery mods. Not trying to pull you back into this thread and it's too bad I can't rename this thread as it's morphing into something much more useful...
I MAY have just figured why SP root detection is getting triggered on some ROMs and not others. Was just experimenting with Busybox on Vanilla ROM. SP was working fine prior to (re)installing Busybox. I wonder if it's seeing Busybox in a certain location and considers that "rooted". Sounds like SP isn't using the proper feedback about what it's detecting, but I'd guess that's intentional.
Vanilla ROM (what I switched to earlier today) does not have Busybox installed, that I could find. Installing Busybox put it in system/xbin. I'm curious if Samsung Pay is simply looking for Busybox or if it's only looking for it in a certain location, which is triggering a root error. Pure Nexus and SIX both include Busybox, according to the OP. I wonder if that's why Samsung Pay is triggering a root error.
First, sorry for snapping at you earlier. It was uncalled for.
Second, busybox is no longer part of Android, having been replaced with toybox. Custom ROMs for the most part include busybox because toybox is still missing some functions commonly found in busybox. Samsung Pay likely is picking up on busybox and complaining.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
First, sorry for snapping at you earlier. It was uncalled for.
Second, busybox is no longer part of Android, having been replaced with toybox. Custom ROMs for the most part include busybox because toybox is still missing some functions commonly found in busybox. Samsung Pay likely is picking up on busybox and complaining.
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Great info! I wasn't aware of BusyBox going away and being replaced.
The switchover occurred with the release of Android 6. Samsung Pay probably lists a minimum API of 23 in its manifest, so it can't be installed on Android 5.x, which still uses busybox.
Subject continued here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/nexus-6-roms-compatible-samsung-pay-via-t3624869

How to downgrade/improve performance over custom Titan ROM (ViperOS 7.1.2)?

Hi, I've been using my Moto G Titan (dual-sim) for about 4 years now, mostly with custom rom the whole time (CM 12.1 back then). I upgraded to a Moto G3 TE (and used custom roms from xda here) over a year ago. So then on this phone (titan) I updated the firmware and ROM and passed it on to my wife. I put on Viper OS 7.1.2 on it and initially it was working great. Over time though it increasingly slowed down and clearing the cache and such didn't seem to help (my wife didn't really complain much because she never liked using smart phones anyway and she just thought it *has* to be a poor user experience). I also had my phone (Moto G3 TE) stolen about a month ago, so while I'm waiting to get a new phone my wife and I are sharing this phone (Titan) with two different accounts. Talk about sloooooooooow! So now I realize I REALLY need a different rom. Or is it possible the RAM or something is just old and no longer working right?
I've read on here that many people suggest downgrading to stock lollipop or something like that. Others suggest a custom Marshmallow rom. I honestly don't care too much what I downgrade to as long as the most common apps (gmail, facebook, whatsapp - ones for keeping in touch and getting work done, that sort of thing) are working. Oh, and pinterest, that's the one thing my wife loves. I would like to keep an OS version that allows me to used mixed storage (mixed between adopted/portable) if possible, because that helps me with the low amount of internal memory. But I can give that up if necessary, because above all I want it to be smooth, because this lag is ridiculous! Sometimes a phone call comes in and it's ringing but it takes so long for the screen that shows I can accept/reject the call to pop up that by then the caller has already hung up (like over 10 seconds sometimes)! So yeah, I really want a rom that's responsive again and can do those most basic apps.
My questions is: if I'm on ViperOS 7.1.2 and if lollipop or marshmallow (whether stock or custom) is best - then how do I downgrade to those? I have TWRP and root and all that on here already and I'd love it if I could just do it by TWRP since that'd be the easiest for me. But I'll do whatever I need to as long as I can truly understand the step-by-step directions and not brick this phone. (Since right now it's the ONLY phone my wife and I have to work with until I get a new one in another month or two... and even still I'd like my wife to be able to use this one more easily.) I read somewhere that if I have a newer firmware maybe I can't return directly to an older OS? Any information on how to switch OS without messing up my phone would help a lot!
So, please give me a suggestion as to which OS gives you great responsiveness/speed (doesn't lag you down for phone calls especially, but no lag on any other basic programs would also be great). And regarding the OS you suggest, please tell me what steps I need to take to switch/downgrade to it and/or anything else I need to do to keep it going fast. I found this post, but to be honest, it's just not very clear to me what I'd actually have to *do*: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/general/opinion-best-rom-experience-t3546088 So if you could give me a clear step-by-step guide (or point me to one or more threads/posts that I'd link the processes together), that'd be SUPER helpful! Thanks in advance for any help any of you can offer!
madagascaradam said:
Hi, I've been using my Moto G Titan (dual-sim) for about 4 years now, mostly with custom rom the whole time (CM 12.1 back then). I upgraded to a Moto G3 TE (and used custom roms from xda here) over a year ago. So then on this phone (titan) I updated the firmware and ROM and passed it on to my wife. I put on Viper OS 7.1.2 on it and initially it was working great. Over time though it increasingly slowed down and clearing the cache and such didn't seem to help (my wife didn't really complain much because she never liked using smart phones anyway and she just thought it *has* to be a poor user experience). I also had my phone (Moto G3 TE) stolen about a month ago, so while I'm waiting to get a new phone my wife and I are sharing this phone (Titan) with two different accounts. Talk about sloooooooooow! So now I realize I REALLY need a different rom. Or is it possible the RAM or something is just old and no longer working right?
I've read on here that many people suggest downgrading to stock lollipop or something like that. Others suggest a custom Marshmallow rom. I honestly don't care too much what I downgrade to as long as the most common apps (gmail, facebook, whatsapp - ones for keeping in touch and getting work done, that sort of thing) are working. Oh, and pinterest, that's the one thing my wife loves. I would like to keep an OS version that allows me to used mixed storage (mixed between adopted/portable) if possible, because that helps me with the low amount of internal memory. But I can give that up if necessary, because above all I want it to be smooth, because this lag is ridiculous! Sometimes a phone call comes in and it's ringing but it takes so long for the screen that shows I can accept/reject the call to pop up that by then the caller has already hung up (like over 10 seconds sometimes)! So yeah, I really want a rom that's responsive again and can do those most basic apps.
My questions is: if I'm on ViperOS 7.1.2 and if lollipop or marshmallow (whether stock or custom) is best - then how do I downgrade to those? I have TWRP and root and all that on here already and I'd love it if I could just do it by TWRP since that'd be the easiest for me. But I'll do whatever I need to as long as I can truly understand the step-by-step directions and not brick this phone. (Since right now it's the ONLY phone my wife and I have to work with until I get a new one in another month or two... and even still I'd like my wife to be able to use this one more easily.) I read somewhere that if I have a newer firmware maybe I can't return directly to an older OS? Any information on how to switch OS without messing up my phone would help a lot!
So, please give me a suggestion as to which OS gives you great responsiveness/speed (doesn't lag you down for phone calls especially, but no lag on any other basic programs would also be great). And regarding the OS you suggest, please tell me what steps I need to take to switch/downgrade to it and/or anything else I need to do to keep it going fast. I found this post, but to be honest, it's just not very clear to me what I'd actually have to *do*: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/general/opinion-best-rom-experience-t3546088 So if you could give me a clear step-by-step guide (or point me to one or more threads/posts that I'd link the processes together), that'd be SUPER helpful! Thanks in advance for any help any of you can offer!
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As you are currently running android nougat. I suggest you Cosmic Os 7.1.2 AOSP based.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/development/rom-cosmic-os-t3576987
I've been using it over more than 2-3 months as my daily driver. It doesn't lag and 300+ RAM is always free with no apps open in background.
Still if you want to downgrade to marshmallow or lollipop, you'll have to do it using a PC or laptop.
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As you are currently running android nougat. I suggest you Cosmic Os 7.1.2 AOSP based.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/development/rom-cosmic-os-t3576987
I've been using it over more than 2-3 months as my daily driver. It doesn't lag and 300+ RAM is always free with no apps open in background.
Still if you want to downgrade to marshmallow or lollipop, you'll have to do it using a PC or laptop.
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OK, that sounds like a good start! Thanks for your suggestion! I'll wait for a few more responses and info before I decide what route to try first. If I do want to downgrade, what method do I use from PC or laptop? I've used the quickboot/adb shell commands with no trouble before, but only because I've seen step-by-step guides that tell me *what* to put in the adb shell, etc. So, can you help give me a guide on how I'd downgrade or point me to one that has a downgrade that's really fast?
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OK, that sounds like a good start! Thanks for your suggestion! I'll wait for a few more responses and info before I decide what route to try first. If I do want to downgrade, what method do I use from PC or laptop? I've used the quickboot/adb shell commands with no trouble before, but only because I've seen step-by-step guides that tell me *what* to put in the adb shell, etc. So, can you help give me a guide on how I'd downgrade or point me to one that has a downgrade that's really fast?
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I don't recommend downgrading to Lollipop or Marshmallow as they lack RAM management and heat up the phone while gaming plus Ui is not that good. Android Nougat has better RAM management with fluid performance and battery backup is good as well.
Here's Stock Marshmallow TWRP backup thread and it's detailed enough so that you won't brick your phone
Take a Nandroid backup before.
First, what's the model of your Titan and country?
I think it's not a good idea to downgrade to older stock as it might lead to device getting bricked .... luckily I have never faced such as an issue as I always stick to custom ROMs for my Titan ....I request you to look up Titan downgrade brick stories and get a better idea about how to avoid it ....
Also have you tried using Aex 5.6 on your phone with evolution kernel? it used to work brilliantly on mine before I jumped on to renans los 16 pie builds
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I don't recommend downgrading to Lollipop or Marshmallow as they lack RAM management and heat up the phone while gaming plus Ui is not that good. Android Nougat has better RAM management with fluid performance and battery backup is good as well.
Here's Stock Marshmallow TWRP backup thread and it's detailed enough so that you won't brick your phone
Take a Nandroid backup before.
First, what's the model of your Titan and country?
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Thanks for the extra advice. You didn't actually include the link for the thread though. Were you just waiting for my model # (below)? But yes, I'm used to doing the Nandroid backups through TWRP so that's no challenge for me.
It's an XT1068. I bought it from Amazon US but I'm living in Madagascar and have used it here most the time I've had it. It's also worked for me in South Africa and USA though too.
Anyway, I'll appreciate the link to the stock marshmallow twrp backup thread, in case that's the route I decide to go! I won't be doing any gaming on it though (wife's phone) and just need it to work well enough for phone calls, messages, and other important aspects of life. And yeah, I like the newer UI, but if it's too slow, I can't do much with it! So I'll have to think about the other suggestions people have given here and also weigh it in with the possibility of downgrading to marshmallow with that detailed step-by-step so I won't brick my phone.
clockstoper said:
I think it's not a good idea to downgrade to older stock as it might lead to device getting bricked .... luckily I have never faced such as an issue as I always stick to custom ROMs for my Titan ....I request you to look up Titan downgrade brick stories and get a better idea about how to avoid it ....
Also have you tried using Aex 5.6 on your phone with evolution kernel? it used to work brilliantly on mine before I jumped on to renans los 16 pie builds
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Thanks also for your advice. I've never been bricked either, but I don't want to start, especially since we're down to 1 phone in my family right now! If someone can tell me that downgrading is definitely way smoother (as I've seen written on a few threads here, but without detailed instructions on how to do it) and if they say I can do it without bricking, then I might take that route. I haven't tried AEX on this phone, though I was using it on my Moto G3 TE before it got stolen. So yeah, that's a good idea if you say it works great. Can you link to a thread for me? Particularly when you say "with evolution kernel"... in the past I don't think I've tried a different kernel for my rom, I've always just followed step-by-steps for flashing a custom rom and gapps, that sort of thing. So if I have to do an extra step for the evolution kernel, please also tell me how or where to find the thread about it. Thanks again for your help!
madagascaradam said:
Thanks for the extra advice. You didn't actually include the link for the thread though. Were you just waiting for my model # (below)? But yes, I'm used to doing the Nandroid backups through TWRP so that's no challenge for me.
It's an XT1068. I bought it from Amazon US but I'm living in Madagascar and have used it here most the time I've had it. It's also worked for me in South Africa and USA though too.
Anyway, I'll appreciate the link to the stock marshmallow twrp backup thread, in case that's the route I decide to go! I won't be doing any gaming on it though (wife's phone) and just need it to work well enough for phone calls, messages, and other important aspects of life. And yeah, I like the newer UI, but if it's too slow, I can't do much with it! So I'll have to think about the other suggestions people have given here and also weigh it in with the possibility of downgrading to marshmallow with that detailed step-by-step so I won't brick my phone.
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/general/moto-g-indian-xt1068-marshmellow-6-0-t3313148
The links to Aex and evolution kernel for titan
madagascaradam said:
Thanks also for your advice. I've never been bricked either, but I don't want to start, especially since we're down to 1 phone in my family right now! If someone can tell me that downgrading is definitely way smoother (as I've seen written on a few threads here, but without detailed instructions on how to do it) and if they say I can do it without bricking, then I might take that route. I haven't tried AEX on this phone, though I was using it on my Moto G3 TE before it got stolen. So yeah, that's a good idea if you say it works great. Can you link to a thread for me? Particularly when you say "with evolution kernel"... in the past I don't think I've tried a different kernel for my rom, I've always just followed step-by-steps for flashing a custom rom and gapps, that sort of thing. So if I have to do an extra step for the evolution kernel, please also tell me how or where to find the thread about it. Thanks again for your help!
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/development/rom-aospextended-rom-v5-8-t3829769
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/development/kernel-evolution-kernel-t3514843
clockstoper said:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/development/rom-aospextended-rom-v5-8-t3829769
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/development/kernel-evolution-kernel-t3514843
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Thanks a lot! How do I use a different kernel than the one that comes with the ROM? Do I flash/install AEX first and *then* follow those directions for the evolution kernel? Or do I do the kernel first and then AEX? And I'm assuming I download the first kernel download link on that page (the one that says Marshmallow/Nougat Roms and "R10")? Basically, I'd really appreciate it if you'd offer more information on what it means to switch kernels and how to do that? Thanks again for your help!
Download Aex then install it first
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Thanks a lot! How do I use a different kernel than the one that comes with the ROM? Do I flash/install AEX first and *then* follow those directions for the evolution kernel? Or do I do the kernel first and then AEX? And I'm assuming I download the first kernel download link on that page (the one that says Marshmallow/Nougat Roms and "R10")? Basically, I'd really appreciate it if you'd offer more information on what it means to switch kernels and how to do that? Thanks again for your help!
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Install rom first then make a backup of only boot install kernel after that , there is a another version of evolution kernel with overclock enabled if you feel that evolution is slow try evolutionX ,it's bit of a battery hog but runs like butter.
Switching kernels gives you access to better features in you kernel like updated tweaks, governors overclock ,undervolt ,sound gain boost etc which the stock kernel doesn't provide in most cases .....only few kernels are as up-to-date with extra features as evolution imo so try it if you don't like how it performs you can tweak it more with kernel aduitor ,for faster feeling phone I normally disable all animations under devoloper options .you can also flash evolutionx to see if it suits you or not just restore the boot backup you made and flash it then test ......
Get the kernel for Oreo as Aex 5.8 is Oreo
Before flashing plz make sure twrp is updated
Always backup important data into your mircosd card or PC
I recommend a full wipe ( system ,data, internal storage,caches) with twrp and then install the new ROM
Do let me know how it goes ....
clockstoper said:
Install rom first then make a backup of only boot install kernel after that , there is a another version of evolution kernel with overclock enabled if you feel that evolution is slow try evolutionX ,it's bit of a battery hog but runs like butter.
Switching kernels gives you access to better features in you kernel like updated tweaks, governors overclock ,undervolt ,sound gain boost etc which the stock kernel doesn't provide in most cases .....only few kernels are as up-to-date with extra features as evolution imo so try it if you don't like how it performs you can tweak it more with kernel aduitor ,for faster feeling phone I normally disable all animations under devoloper options .you can also flash evolutionx to see if it suits you or not just restore the boot backup you made and flash it then test ......
Get the kernel for Oreo as Aex 5.8 is Oreo
Before flashing plz make sure twrp is updated
Always backup important data into your mircosd card or PC
I recommend a full wipe ( system ,data, internal storage,caches) with twrp and then install the new ROM
Do let me know how it goes ....
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Great, thanks for the advice! My weekend is busy but I'm going to give it a go on Monday or Tuesday and let you know how it turns out!
clockstoper said:
Install rom first then make a backup of only boot install kernel after that , there is a another version of evolution kernel with overclock enabled if you feel that evolution is slow try evolutionX ,it's bit of a battery hog but runs like butter.
Switching kernels gives you access to better features in you kernel like updated tweaks, governors overclock ,undervolt ,sound gain boost etc which the stock kernel doesn't provide in most cases .....only few kernels are as up-to-date with extra features as evolution imo so try it if you don't like how it performs you can tweak it more with kernel aduitor ,for faster feeling phone I normally disable all animations under devoloper options .you can also flash evolutionx to see if it suits you or not just restore the boot backup you made and flash it then test ......
Get the kernel for Oreo as Aex 5.8 is Oreo
Before flashing plz make sure twrp is updated
Always backup important data into your mircosd card or PC
I recommend a full wipe ( system ,data, internal storage,caches) with twrp and then install the new ROM
Do let me know how it goes ....
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Hey, so I had a busy week and I'm just now getting to this. Do I still need to flash a superuser image in order to get superuser working on this (like for fx explorer root or those sort of things)? I have this superuser package I used last time I installed the ViperOS (that's super slow that I'm replacing now): SR1-SuperSU-v2.82-SR1-20170608224931.zip Do I still need that? I can't seem to find an updated one on here or maybe it's buried because it's too old. Maybe people don't use SuperSU anymore? Just wondering. Thanks for any help! And I'll let you know how the new image goes later today.
Use magisk it's way better
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Hey, so I had a busy week and I'm just now getting to this. Do I still need to flash a superuser image in order to get superuser working on this (like for fx explorer root or those sort of things)? I have this superuser package I used last time I installed the ViperOS (that's super slow that I'm replacing now): SR1-SuperSU-v2.82-SR1-20170608224931.zip Do I still need that? I can't seem to find an updated one on here or maybe it's buried because it's too old. Maybe people don't use SuperSU anymore? Just wondering. Thanks for any help! And I'll let you know how the new image goes later today.
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Plus it has all the modules ....very useful ....
Link magisk
https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/official-magisk-v7-universal-systemless-t3473445
clockstoper said:
Plus it has all the modules ....very useful ....
Link magisk
https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/official-magisk-v7-universal-systemless-t3473445
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Thanks again! So, I did try SuperSU since it looked like it'd be easy (just install that app) and the Magisk thing said better to go back to stock rom in order to make it work. But SuperSU then was a big headache, after a lot of work I got rid of it, and installed Magisk (without going back to stock rom) and everything was good. Any particular modules you'd suggest using with Magisk?
But overall: I followed your advice and everything seems good. This is my first time to use Oreo and I do like it so far. I haven't turned of animations yet, but I might soon. It's still running fairly fast like I'd expect. I still have to install a few apps on my account and I'll wait and see if that slows anything down. But my wife's account has all her stuff on it, everything logged in, and it seems like it's still smooth. I'm going to give it a few days to a week and see if anything slows it down before I report back to you.
I did have a few questions though: under the AEX extensions, it says "system app remover" and I tried to remove a couple weird apps I don't need on there (like "retro music player" - I don't have any idea how that even got there). I had to enable root for it, but it still doesn't seem to have disappeared. Any idea how to fully get rid of non-wanted system apps?
In that same area for removing system apps (built into the AEX extensions) it looks like there are quite a few theme "apps" already inside it, including even some dark themes for contacts (which I'd really appreciate). But I can't find in the rom anywhere to enable themes. If I download the substratum app, will it automatically give me access to those built-in themes or want? If you know anything about this let me know.
Also, under the aex extensions is an option for weather on the lock screen, but the weather service doesn't seem to be working at all yet. Any idea on that?
Even if you don't know about those things, that's OK, maybe I'll post and ask those questions in the AEX thread and see if anyone has anything to say there.
Overall, everything has worked great so far though, which is great and I appreciate all the advice you've given me! I'll just give it some time to see if it stays fast with regular use, and of course I need to keep making a few tweaks to it.
Glad it worked out
madagascaradam said:
Thanks again! So, I did try SuperSU since it looked like it'd be easy (just install that app) and the Magisk thing said better to go back to stock rom in order to make it work. But SuperSU then was a big headache, after a lot of work I got rid of it, and installed Magisk (without going back to stock rom) and everything was good. Any particular modules you'd suggest using with Magisk?
But overall: I followed your advice and everything seems good. This is my first time to use Oreo and I do like it so far. I haven't turned of animations yet, but I might soon. It's still running fairly fast like I'd expect. I still have to install a few apps on my account and I'll wait and see if that slows anything down. But my wife's account has all her stuff on it, everything logged in, and it seems like it's still smooth. I'm going to give it a few days to a week and see if anything slows it down before I report back to you.
I did have a few questions though: under the AEX extensions, it says "system app remover" and I tried to remove a couple weird apps I don't need on there (like "retro music player" - I don't have any idea how that even got there). I had to enable root for it, but it still doesn't seem to have disappeared. Any idea how to fully get rid of non-wanted system apps?
In that same area for removing system apps (built into the AEX extensions) it looks like there are quite a few theme "apps" already inside it, including even some dark themes for contacts (which I'd really appreciate). But I can't find in the rom anywhere to enable themes. If I download the substratum app, will it automatically give me access to those built-in themes or want? If you know anything about this let me know.
Also, under the aex extensions is an option for weather on the lock screen, but the weather service doesn't seem to be working at all yet. Any idea on that?
Even if you don't know about those things, that's OK, maybe I'll post and ask those questions in the AEX thread and see if anyone has anything to say there.
Overall, everything has worked great so far though, which is great and I appreciate all the advice you've given me! I'll just give it some time to see if it stays fast with regular use, and of course I need to keep making a few tweaks to it.
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The ROM still has some unimplemented stuff system app remover in extensions
As for modules is use viper4android to tweak sound and
Terminal debloater to remove unwanted system apps via terminal
You need to enable it via developer options ...
And about the theme apps you found in system apps remover ,those are simply the colour overlays the system uses for automatically setting system theme based on wallpaper colour, to manually set theme you can try going into system>display >ui theme and try changing stuff there it has the pre-installed colour schemes .......
You will find the option to change the system fonts there too.....
For weather you need to enable the service by going into weather>service ......
Also to keep things smooth use greenify and greenify all the apps that don't need to run in the background .....enable agressive doze there .....
Also go into settings>extensions>system>app ops side scroll to boot up and take away boot permission from any and every app that you don't use immediately after powering your phone .....it helps speed up the phone a lot .
Go to extentions and general tweaks and turn on disable FC notifications too...
Get sd maid free and do cleanup of system cleaner and corpse finder every month end .....
Go to dialer>three dots >settings then enable proximity speakerphone it very good feature ......
Happy it all worked out for yaa ...
I have a question though ,did you do a full format in twrp ?
I mean the format data option where you need to type yes to proceed . That speed up lag on my phone after I moved from stock so next time you might wanna try that before installing a new ROM....
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madagascaradam said:
Thanks again! So, I did try SuperSU since it looked like it'd be easy (just install that app) and the Magisk thing said better to go back to stock rom in order to make it work. But SuperSU then was a big headache, after a lot of work I got rid of it, and installed Magisk (without going back to stock rom) and everything was good. Any particular modules you'd suggest using with Magisk?
But overall: I followed your advice and everything seems good. This is my first time to use Oreo and I do like it so far. I haven't turned of animations yet, but I might soon. It's still running fairly fast like I'd expect. I still have to install a few apps on my account and I'll wait and see if that slows anything down. But my wife's account has all her stuff on it, everything logged in, and it seems like it's still smooth. I'm going to give it a few days to a week and see if anything slows it down before I report back to you.
I did have a few questions though: under the AEX extensions, it says "system app remover" and I tried to remove a couple weird apps I don't need on there (like "retro music player" - I don't have any idea how that even got there). I had to enable root for it, but it still doesn't seem to have disappeared. Any idea how to fully get rid of non-wanted system apps?
In that same area for removing system apps (built into the AEX extensions) it looks like there are quite a few theme "apps" already inside it, including even some dark themes for contacts (which I'd really appreciate). But I can't find in the rom anywhere to enable themes. If I download the substratum app, will it automatically give me access to those built-in themes or want? If you know anything about this let me know.
Also, under the aex extensions is an option for weather on the lock screen, but the weather service doesn't seem to be working at all yet. Any idea on that?
Even if you don't know about those things, that's OK, maybe I'll post and ask those questions in the AEX thread and see if anyone has anything to say there.
Overall, everything has worked great so far though, which is great and I appreciate all the advice you've given me! I'll just give it some time to see if it stays fast with regular use, and of course I need to keep making a few tweaks to it.
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how it ended?
clockstoper said:
The ROM still has some unimplemented stuff system app remover in extensions
As for modules is use viper4android to tweak sound and
Terminal debloater to remove unwanted system apps via terminal
You need to enable it via developer options ...
And about the theme apps you found in system apps remover ,those are simply the colour overlays the system uses for automatically setting system theme based on wallpaper colour, to manually set theme you can try going into system>display >ui theme and try changing stuff there it has the pre-installed colour schemes .......
You will find the option to change the system fonts there too.....
For weather you need to enable the service by going into weather>service ......
Also to keep things smooth use greenify and greenify all the apps that don't need to run in the background .....enable agressive doze there .....
Also go into settings>extensions>system>app ops side scroll to boot up and take away boot permission from any and every app that you don't use immediately after powering your phone .....it helps speed up the phone a lot .
Go to extentions and general tweaks and turn on disable FC notifications too...
Get sd maid free and do cleanup of system cleaner and corpse finder every month end .....
Go to dialer>three dots >settings then enable proximity speakerphone it very good feature ......
Happy it all worked out for yaa ...
I have a question though ,did you do a full format in twrp ?
I mean the format data option where you need to type yes to proceed . That speed up lag on my phone after I moved from stock so next time you might wanna try that before installing a new ROM....
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Thanks for all the extra advice! A lot of that certainly helped. It was actually slowing down again a bit within a few days, but greenify made an immediately noticeable difference, as well as a few of those other things you mentioned.
The weather thing still isn't working even though I have it enabled. Maybe because I'm in Madagascar and most services don't cover weather here?
I couldn't find the dialer either, so I couldn't get to its settings. I'm interested in what the proximity speakerphone does though.
I didn't do any format where I needed to type "yes" to proceed, but when I did wipe I chose every aspect of the storage and wiped all of it (even the memory card). So maybe that was just a simple delete rather than an actual format. I'll keep this in mind though next time I flash a system from start. Though I had the memory card formatted as mixed storage (gave 10 GB of it to the system ["expanded"] and the rest for normal portable use) and the expanded portion reads funny now in the storage settings - as if it had 128 GB and 118 GB were already used. That's strange, but it doesn't seem to affect anything so I'm not worrying about it.
Dialer is the phone app ..
madagascaradam said:
Thanks for all the extra advice! A lot of that certainly helped. It was actually slowing down again a bit within a few days, but greenify made an immediately noticeable difference, as well as a few of those other things you mentioned.
The weather thing still isn't working even though I have it enabled. Maybe because I'm in Madagascar and most services don't cover weather here?
I couldn't find the dialer either, so I couldn't get to its settings. I'm interested in what the proximity speakerphone does though.
I didn't do any format where I needed to type "yes" to proceed, but when I did wipe I chose every aspect of the storage and wiped all of it (even the memory card). So maybe that was just a simple delete rather than an actual format. I'll keep this in mind though next time I flash a system from start. Though I had the memory card formatted as mixed storage (gave 10 GB of it to the system ["expanded"] and the rest for normal portable use) and the expanded portion reads funny now in the storage settings - as if it had 128 GB and 118 GB were already used. That's strange, but it doesn't seem to affect anything so I'm not worrying about it.
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The dialer app is what you use to call a number typing it ,it is the phone app with the telephone icon ,tap the three dots on the top right side there you will find settings ....
About the weather try changing the weather provider to Yahoo ....might work.. .
Also try getting the universal GMS doze module in magisk it stops Google services from slowing the phone ...
I personally don't use gapps at all, I have yalpstore for my app needs. if Google is not that important for you then maybe in the future you might try ROM without it .....
Hope it helps.....

Question Question regarding root and updates?

Hey there guys,
I just received my s21 ultra (G998B) and planning to root it. I had a few questions since I’m new to this and wanted some clarifications:
1) If I root the phone can I update it OTA through the settings or do I have to update it by another method? Will I lose root/data/apps if I do that?
2) If I lose root when updating it, can I just root again and be all set? Or do I have to follow another procedure for that?
3) I am planning to debloat a few apps and services that I won’t be using, if I update the system/software will the stuff that I debloated come back and will I have to do the debloat again?
Thank you for all the help.
paul_cherma said:
Hey there guys,
I just received my s21 ultra (G998B) and planning to root it. I had a few questions since I’m new to this and wanted some clarifications:
1) If I root the phone can I update it OTA through the settings or do I have to update it by another method? Will I lose root/data/apps if I do that?
2) If I lose root when updating it, can I just root again and be all set? Or do I have to follow another procedure for that?
3) I am planning to debloat a few apps and services that I won’t be using, if I update the system/software will the stuff that I debloated come back and will I have to do the debloat again?
Thank you for all the help.
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1- Probably not usually the root or recovery will block OTA updates from installing, even if they download.
2- If you lose root, you can USUALLY re-root assuming the same root method wasnt patched. If it was patched, a new root method (though probably still through magisk) will be needed. If this is the case, its up to the dev to find that method, you might be without root for a while.
3-if you debloat, and receive an OTA, your will probably need to de-bloat again, thought I havent personally had experience with this.
Why are you rooting? Just to de-bloat? If so, root isn't really necessary...
As someone who's been in the rooting stage for many years, i can answer your questions.
1. You can not update your phone through OTA updates after rooting the device, as the device was modified in an unauthorized way. And since you own a galaxy phone, the e-fuse within the motherboard will blow and knox will be permanently blown. You can no longer use samsung pay, google pay, and any other app that uses the safetynet api, even after you unroot the device.
2. You will lose root every time you update. You will need ODIN on your PC in order to properly update your firmware and to re-root your device by following the procedure again that you used to root your device, unless samsung patched the method you used to root your device. You can always check what bootloader version you're on within the firmware. For example, on the galaxy S8, the firmware version is N950U1UES5CRG9. The 5th to last number of the firmware will tell you. In this case, N950U1UES5CRG9 is the 5th bootloader version. Keep this in mind once samsung starts to update your phone often.
3. You will have to debloat again from scratch. In order to fully update your device through ODIN, you need to download the full firmware file containing an AP (Firmware), BL (Bootloader) , CP (Modem), and CSC (Carrier File) and manually flash them.
Do keep in mind, it is possible to soft brick or even hard brick your device, so back up your data frequently if you decide to tinker with your device.
Thank you for the detailed answer. I just updated my software to the latest official one by Samsung (April 1st security patch) but I am not rooted yet. I guess I could live with the fact that I can root the phone now and stay on this software version/security patch until I upgrade, since I would have to go through a lot of hassle to set-up the phone the way I wanted. But the main reason why I want to get the official updates is because of the camera improvements that Samsung does, since the main reason of me getting this phone is the camera. And there are some root-required tweaks that I absolutely need such as Viper, and some xposed tweaks also. I like the Stock ROM of Samsung, it really has come a long way at least imo throughout the years, as I have been a Samsung user since day 1 but:
Would it be a good idea to install a custom ROM then? I am reading the description of a few custom ROMs and it seems like I can “retain everything” by simply dirty flashing the ROM and following the dev’s instructions on how to retain root whenever the developer updates it. Is that a better route to take you think? I can keep my device rooted, and still get the updates through a custom ROM.
paul_cherma said:
Thank you for the detailed answer. I just updated my software to the latest official one by Samsung (April 1st security patch) but I am not rooted yet. I guess I could live with the fact that I can root the phone now and stay on this software version/security patch until I upgrade, since I would have to go through a lot of hassle to set-up the phone the way I wanted. But the main reason why I want to get the official updates is because of the camera improvements that Samsung does, since the main reason of me getting this phone is the camera. And there are some root-required tweaks that I absolutely need such as Viper, and some xposed tweaks also. I like the Stock ROM of Samsung, it really has come a long way at least imo throughout the years, as I have been a Samsung user since day 1 but:
Would it be a good idea to install a custom ROM then? I am reading the description of a few custom ROMs and it seems like I can “retain everything” by simply dirty flashing the ROM and following the dev’s instructions on how to retain root whenever the developer updates it. Is that a better route to take you think? I can keep my device rooted, and still get the updates through a custom ROM.
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That really varies depending on the custom rom you go for. Usually when you dirty flash a rom, you would need to re root your device, but some (not all) roms are persistent with root after system updates. Do keep in mind if you switch to a custom rom, your system might be more buggy and crash more often. One thing i will say though is that xposed is outdated. The last android version xposed officially supported was either 8 or 9. When it has to come down to certain mods you'd wish to have with root, take that into consideration too, as it might make your device really unstable if it's too outdated or if there's a buggy port available. I've dealt with that issue too many times on my phones.
HighOnLinux said:
That really varies depending on the custom rom you go for. Usually when you dirty flash a rom, you would need to re root your device, but some (not all) roms are persistent with root after system updates. Do keep in mind if you switch to a custom rom, your system might be more buggy and crash more often. One thing i will say though is that xposed is outdated. The last android version xposed officially supported was either 8 or 9. When it has to come down to certain mods you'd wish to have with root, take that into consideration too, as it might make your device really unstable if it's too outdated or if there's a buggy port available. I've dealt with that issue too many times on my phones.
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if xposed is outdated, what is the new thing the comunity is migrating to? All the privacy, security, and customizability tools available through xposed must go somewhere, right?
Twodordan said:
if xposed is outdated, what is the new thing the comunity is migrating to? All the privacy, security, and customizability tools available through xposed must go somewhere, right?
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There's buggy ports thats flashable on magisk. While you still can get xposed, it'll be an unofficial version, and more likely to run into issues within your rom and daily use into your device.
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There's buggy ports thats flashable on magisk. While you still can get xposed, it'll be an unofficial version, and more likely to run into issues within your rom and daily use into your device.
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I mean xprivacy on xposed was the must have killer feature for any android device to turn your device into anything other than a privacy nightmare. If we can't do that any more we are f'd.
[EDIT] Looks like the new version of xprivacy, xprivacyLua is still supported for android 11, with magisk and EdXposed or LSPosed:
[CLOSED][APP][XPOSED][6.0+] XPrivacyLua - Android privacy manager [UNSUPPORTED]
XPrivacyLua Really simple to use privacy manager for Android 6.0 Marshmallow and later (successor of XPrivacy). Revoking Android permissions from apps often let apps crash or malfunction. XPrivacyLua solves this by feeding apps fake data...
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XPrivacyLua/README.md at master · M66B/XPrivacyLua
Really simple to use privacy manager for Android 6.0 Marshmallow and later - XPrivacyLua/README.md at master · M66B/XPrivacyLua
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