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Has anyone gotten android pay to work with an unlocked boatloader?
There's just soo much stuff out there, I have no idea if its possible, and what i should do.

Yes. Magisk.

Thanks! I've been messing with Magisk, but had no luck. I'm on Bliss Rom 6.0 which is CM13 based. My SElinux is set to permissive. Am I missing something? Do I need a different Rom? Mod my kernel in some way?
Thanks

I'm not actually using it myself but I've seen the comments of others who are. Maybe someone else can give you more details. I know you have to give the app you wish to hide -- like Android Pay -- the Magisk Hide privileges. You also have to uninstall SuperSu and use Magisk root.

CM13 has built in CM root. You'll need iSu to hide that, assuming it even still works.
Your best bet would probably be to upgrade to a CM14.1 based rom and check those forums for how people are getting around it. It's not too difficult nowadays though. I'm running Magisk rooted stock and Android Pay works just fine.

nijohnson said:
Thanks! I've been messing with Magisk, but had no luck. I'm on Bliss Rom 6.0 which is CM13 based. My SElinux is set to permissive. Am I missing something? Do I need a different Rom? Mod my kernel in some way?
Thanks
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For it to pass safetynet with root on requires you to flash magisk after a clean install. MagiskSU will replace CM13's root manager.

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Method of getting past safety net

I recently found this method of getting past safety net without losing xposed mods: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRo...y_have_found_a_workaround_for_the_pokémon_go/
I haven't tried it out yet, but I was checking to see if anyone had as I know that unrooting on the turbo is a dangerous prospect. Would this be recommended?
jedibob7 said:
I recently found this method of getting past safety net without losing xposed mods: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRo...y_have_found_a_workaround_for_the_pokémon_go/
I haven't tried it out yet, but I was checking to see if anyone had as I know that unrooting on the turbo is a dangerous prospect. Would this be recommended?
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There's nothing dangerous about this, but it won't work. Magisk is incompatible with our devices, so forget anything involving that. In order for suhide to work, you need a stock marshmallow rom that will pass safetynet on its own, and we don't have that. Your best bet is to install the Resurrection Remix rom and use the iSu app that the dev made for it to hide the built in CM root, but you still won't be able to use xposed.
That worked until two days ago. Now safety net has patched it and isu doesn't work anymore. This is confirmed by BHB27.
So sad. I only got to enjoy android pay with cm13 for 3 days..
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There's nothing dangerous about this, but it won't work. Magisk is incompatible with our devices, so forget anything involving that. In order for suhide to work, you need a stock marshmallow rom that will pass safetynet on it's own, and we don't have that. Your best bet is to install the Resurrection Remix rom and use the iSu app that the dev made for it to hide the built in CM root, but you still won't be able to use xposed.
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fmz0507 said:
That worked until two days ago. Now safety net has patched it and isu doesn't work anymore. This is confirmed by BHB27.
So sad. I only got to enjoy android pay with cm13 for 3 days..
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Lame. Well, Chainfire did warn us that this was a losing battle. I guess he was right.
Actually there's some light to the end of the tunnel lol It was some later changes that broke it. BHB is still figuring out what caused it.
But if you use isu1.2 and kernel 202.1 it still works (also must enable SE linux in the kernel editor). I didn't have to do all that to get it to work but for now this config still works..
But yes, this is a hard battle to fight.
TheSt33v said:
Lame. Well, Chainfire did warn us that this was a losing battle. I guess he was right.
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[UNOFFICIAL] next version Magisk and MagiskManager snapshots

MOD EDIT: PLEASE MIGRATE TO THE OFFICIAL CANARY BUILDS
THIS THREAD IS ABOUT UNOFFICIAL COMMUNITY BUILDS. OFFICIAL BETAS THREAD IS HERE: https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/beta-magisk-v13-0-0980cb6-t3618589.
This thread is dedicated to the community-built next versions of Magisk and MagiskManager using latest source files posted by @topjohnwu. If you want to contribute in any way -- create a PR/issue on github.
These might be very unstable builds, especially in the early stages of development. You're highly advised to read the rest of this post and at least a few last pages of the discussion.
Downloads are here: https://github.com/TheComputerGuy96/MagiskFiles. Keep reading if this is your first visit to this thread or for the updates at the bottom of this post.
Current builds are courtesy of @kantjer. This project wouldn't have happened without @Deic's module to track the snapshot updates (which may be hindered by recent @topjohnwu changes in versioning) and his contributions to the build script, as well as major contributions in supporting fellow community members by @Captain_Throwback, @Didgeridoohan and @DodoGTA.
Installation:
Magisk: flash magisk snapshot from recovery, it should install over any previous version just fine.
Magisk Manager: The snapshot APK is signed with a different key than the release APK so you can't install snapshot magisk manager over magisk manager from Play Store. You will need to uninstall existing Magisk Manager and install the snapshot APK afterwards.
Commits Logs:
Magisk (master branch)
Magisk Manager (master branch)
IF SOMETHING DOESN'T WORK AND/OR CRASHING:
No support of any kind is implied, however it's a community forum so some users (including local experts) might be willing to help your and/or your report might be helpful to @topjohnwu, but please make sure to follow the below:
Magisk Manager crashing? Problem with Magisk module? Post installed versions of magisk, magisk manager, versions of all installed modules and the magisk log + logcat.
Downloads: https://github.com/TheComputerGuy96/MagiskFiles
Source code: https://github.com/TheComputerGuy96/Magisk (branch travisci-dev)
Travis-CI link: https://travis-ci.org/TheComputerGuy96/Magisk
That's nice of you. What is the change log?
Cool! I'm gonna give this a try and see if some of my issues are resolved.
Filip013 said:
That's nice of you. What is the change log?
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We can check the commits log for now: https://github.com/topjohnwu/Magisk/commits/master and https://github.com/topjohnwu/MagiskManager/commits/master.
@topjohnwu, what's the reasoning for disabling MagiskHide when SuperSu is installed?
gamer765 said:
@topjohnwu, what's the reasoning for disabling MagiskHide when SuperSu is installed?
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Because Magisk Hide don't work with SuperSU? Maybe...
Viper4android is working well S7 nougat
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Didgeridoohan said:
Because Magisk Hide don't work with SuperSU? Maybe...
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I have MagiskHide working perfectly with SuperSu 2.79 on Nougat. I can use PoGo and AP. The latest Github commit breaks it.
gamer765 said:
I have MagiskHide working perfectly with SuperSu 2.79 on Nougat. I can use PoGo and AP. The latest Github commit breaks it.
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Ok, cool... Did not know that was possible. Since topjohnwu himself have stated that Magisk Hide can NOT hide SuperSU, I assume he has a good reason to do what he does.
Think about saying stupid things, you should have respect for the guy. Just turn on magisk hide, do not tick supersu in gui
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afcaajax said:
Think about saying stupid things, you should have respect for the guy. Just turn on magisk hide, do not tick supersu in gui
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Not sure if you're directing that at me, but no one here is saying stupid things, except maybe you. Plus, I'm a dev/hacker myself so it doesn't really bother me, since I can always fix it myself.
gamer765 said:
I have MagiskHide working perfectly with SuperSu 2.79 on Nougat. I can use PoGo and AP. The latest Github commit breaks it.
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If you haven't yet, please consider creating an issue for that on github and let @topjohnwu know.
AFAIK you can checkout the code one commit before the problematic one and build your own v10.
PS. Please don't feed the trolls.
gamer765 said:
I have MagiskHide working perfectly with SuperSu 2.79 on Nougat. I can use PoGo and AP. The latest Github commit breaks it.
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That's unexpected, it never worked previously, I just added the detection I should have done in ages.
I'll try it myself when I got time, once confirmed working I'll revert this change
gamer765 said:
I have MagiskHide working perfectly with SuperSu 2.79 on Nougat. I can use PoGo and AP. The latest Github commit breaks it.
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I'm not sure how you're accomplishing this, but it shouldn't be possible, unless you're also using some other hiding method (suhide, RootSwitch). Magisk Hide cannot hide SuperSU. I just installed it and tried it to confirm, since your post piqued my curiosity, but not surprisingly, SafetyNet came up all red, and my AirWatch app shows compromised.
Can you explain in detail what your setup is and confirm you're ONLY using SuperSU and Magisk Hide, and pass with green for SafetyNet?
Ah, well I am using suhide and rootswitch as well and everything works perfectly fine for me.
I've attached screenshots of SafetyNet passing for me. By all means, it's your project, you may do whatever you wish with it, I'll just fork it and make my own private builds where SuperSU does not disable MagiskHide..
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Ah, well I am using suhide and rootswitch as well and everything works perfectly fine for me.
I've attached screenshots of SafetyNet passing for me. By all means, it's your project, you may do whatever you wish with it, I'll just fork it and make my own private builds where SuperSU does not disable MagiskHide..
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Let me take a moment and just lay my palm against my forehead...
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess what you're really using Magisk Hide for is hiding your unlocked bootloader with resetprop. There are other ways of doing that, you don't need Magisk Hide.
No, I do not. I use it for other stuff as well. All my mods are systemless. I'm on completely stock system with a custom kernel that does not pass bootloader unlock flags. I'm not a dumb person, but I see I'm being treated that way. I do things the way I do them for a reason. I will no longer partake in this conversation, I have better things to do. Maybe it's better to just stick to stock because ignorance is bliss. I need a break anyways from my work. Bye and thank you.
gamer765 said:
No, I do not. I use it for other stuff as well. All my mods are systemless. I'm on completely stock system with a custom kernel that does not pass bootloader unlock flags. I'm not a dumb person, but I see I'm being treated that way. I do things the way I do them for a reason. I will no longer partake in this conversation, I have better things to do. Maybe it's better to just stick to stock because ignorance is bliss. I need a break anyways from my work. Bye and thank you.
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Well if you want to use SuperSU with Magisk Hide, just manually revert the change that disallowed it. That takes 10 seconds to do.
Captain_Throwback said:
Well if you want to use SuperSU with Magisk Hide, just manually revert the change that disallowed it. That takes 10 seconds to do.
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His question still stands, if MagiskHide does work with SuperSu installed and there're viable use cases for that, why disable it?
stangri said:
His question still stands, if MagiskHide does work with SuperSu installed and there're viable use cases for that, why disable it?
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I don't think @topjohnwu was considering those extended use cases when he disabled it. Maybe now that he knows, he'll revert that change. I think he was thinking that Magisk Hide can't directly hide it so it would always be detected. With several other tools, it's apparently possible to hide it, which is good to know. Personally, I'll just be sticking with the open-source solution anyway, so it doesn't really affect me.
EDIT: Besides the fact that there are many people who will enable it, not knowing that Magisk Hide can't hide SuperSU. I think the change was in an effort to prevent those types of questions.

Systemless ROM?

What is involved in taking a ROM, and making it into a systemless ROM module?
Can they be of a different Android version than the main ROM?
As far as I learned the Magisk ROM has to be compatible to your stock firmware and ROM.
And I can tell that they are possible. On the HTC 10, Team Venom build the fist Magisk ROM. They are now followed by LeeDrOiD and BadBoyz ROMs which are getting available as Magisk Module ROM, as well as as full ROM.
I can't tell you how they did it, as I'm not a developer, but you could ask in their ROM threads. Maybe they'll tell you.
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5m4r7ph0n36uru said:
As far as I learned the Magisk ROM has to be compatible to your stock firmware and ROM.
And I can't tell that they are possible. On the HTC 10, Team Venom build the for Magisk ROM. They are now followed by LeeDrOiD and BadBoyz ROMs which are getting available as Magisk Module ROM, as well as as full ROM.
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OK. Yes it appears that their Magisk ROM is very specific to what is running underneath.
Thanks!
jhedfors said:
OK. Yes it appears that their Magisk ROM is very specific to what is running underneath.
Thanks!
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Yes and it'll always be, as Magisk adds/alters mount points on boot up, but otherwise uses the existing system and system files as well as data partition. Thus the ROM and Magisk Module got to be highly compatible. It's quite logical.
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5m4r7ph0n36uru said:
Yes and it'll always be, as Magisk adds/alters mount points on boot up, but otherwise uses the existing system and system files as well as data partition. Thus the ROM and Magisk Module got to be highly compatible. It's quite logical.
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I guess I will have to be patient, and wait for the full Magisk multirom functionality to be developed!
jhedfors said:
I guess I will have to be patient, and wait for the full Magisk multirom functionality to be developed!
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Well, we'll see what pleasures this will bring. Would be nice to implement MultiROM via Magisk. Question is if it'll help. The new - Samsung build - Snapdragon 835 seems to come with a security chip, which will be able to recognize if you try to boot a custom ROM and won't boot the device at all in that case. As Samsung build it, I'd guess Exynos will have the same "security" feature.
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5m4r7ph0n36uru said:
Well, we'll see what pleasures this will bring. Would be nice to implement MultiROM via Magisk. Question is if it'll help. The new - Samsung build - Snapdragon 835 seems to come with a security chip, which will be able to recognize if you try to boot a custom ROM and won't boot the device at all in that case. As Samsung build it, I'd guess Exynos will have the same "security" feature.
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If it is still "systemless", it seems like a Magisk solution could possibly be the answer. We shall see, I am wondering if the solution will be like the Magisk module ROM, but just replacing most everything, rather than just select parts.

Is there a good Marshallow build for OP3T?

Hey everyone
I've tried multiple roms. Nougat especially. But the one thing i'm desperate about is Amplify and apparently it's not working. I've tried on every rom the SDK 25 from Topjohnwu but it doesn't work. The one thing I need is Amplify.
So i want to go back to a marsmallow rom (by preference RR rom) so that i can install Xposed. Anyone got a link to good rom or a name...
Thanks in advance.
Greetings from someone who needs Amplify to minimize his wakelocks...
Hansbeeman said:
Hey everyone
I've tried multiple roms. Nougat especially. But the one thing i'm desperate about is Amplify and apparently it's not working. I've tried on every rom the SDK 25 from Topjohnwu but it doesn't work. The one thing I need is Amplify.
So i want to go back to a marsmallow rom (by preference RR rom) so that i can install Xposed. Anyone got a link to good rom or a name...
Thanks in advance.
Greetings from someone who needs Amplify to minimize his wakelocks...
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Asking for "best | good ROM" is bullsh*t. Everyone has different needed.
Search for "CM 13 OnePlus 3T", make your own view, and flash the one you want.
Plus, create a thread for this kind of question is useless, you could have search by your own first.
casual_kikoo said:
Asking for "best | good ROM" is bullsh*t. Everyone has different needed.
Search for "CM 13 OnePlus 3T", make your own view, and flash the one you want.
Plus, create a thread for this kind of question is useless, you could have search by your own first.
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I've searched for hours and the one you name, i've alreafy tried. When i put sdk 23 on it, i'm in bootloop... Any other suggestions?
Hansbeeman said:
I've searched for hours and the one you name, i've alreafy tried. When i put sdk 23 on it, i'm in bootloop... Any other suggestions?
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SDK 23 of what ? I don't even know what you're talking about, "SDK 23" alone doesn't mean anything.
OMG! I thought this is friendly noob Q&A thread.
I was looking for some 6.0 rom compatible with xposed. I just found sultan´s cm13(the best for me), OOS 3.5.4 and RR 6.0 of Eliminater. be sure to use arm64 sdk23 but if you use magisk there is a thread specifically about xposed and magisk
casual_kikoo said:
SDK 23 of what ? I don't even know what you're talking about, "SDK 23" alone doesn't mean anything.
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Sdk 23 of xposed framework in Magisk.
WOS17 said:
OMG! I thought this is friendly noob Q&A thread.
I was looking for some 6.0 rom compatible with xposed. I just found sultan´s cm13(the best for me), OOS 3.5.4 and RR 6.0 of Eliminater. be sure to use arm64 sdk23 but if you use magisk there is a thread specifically about xposed and magisk
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I dont consider myself as noob. Nor as expert. But I already flashed cm13 and Oos 3.5.4. Installing magisk14.0.zip is always a succes. But when I go in Magisk under 'modules' and download SDK23 of Topjohnwu's systemless xposed module. After that I need to restart and i'm stuck in bootloop...
Normaly xposed should work for MM roms !?
Look at this https://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/unofficial-systemless-xposed-t3388268 and maybe consider magisk 13.3.
WOS17 said:
Look at this https://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/unofficial-systemless-xposed-t3388268 and maybe consider magisk 13.3.
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Aha, thank you. I will try this and will let you know if it worked ! Would be so happy if this worked !
Hansbeeman said:
I dont consider myself as noob. Nor as expert. But I already flashed cm13 and Oos 3.5.4. Installing magisk14.0.zip is always a succes. But when I go in Magisk under 'modules' and download SDK23 of Topjohnwu's systemless xposed module. After that I need to restart and i'm stuck in bootloop...
Normaly xposed should work for MM roms !?
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Consider flashing Xposed as a system mod, this doesn't affect SafetyNet, as long as you disable Xposed in its installer, when you want to use Android Pay or Pokemon Go. I also had bootloop problems when I tried to flash systemless Xposed, a system one works reliably.
przemcio510 said:
Consider flashing Xposed as a system mod, this doesn't affect SafetyNet, as long as you disable Xposed in its installer, when you want to use Android Pay or Pokemon Go. I also had bootloop problems when I tried to flash systemless Xposed, a system one works reliably.
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I'm don't mind that Android Pay or pokémon go don't work. But Snapchat won't work either. It's an app I like to use.
I read a little bit on the thread someone above linked me and will try this. Will let you guys now. Now i'm back on my daily driver (RR Zenith 7.1.2). Will try to install xposed on it, and get Amplify to work.
Hansbeeman said:
I'm don't mind that Android Pay or pokémon go don't work. But Snapchat won't work either. It's an app I like to use.
I read a little bit on the thread someone above linked me and will try this. Will let you guys now. Now i'm back on my daily driver (RR Zenith 7.1.2). Will try to install xposed on it, and get Amplify to work.
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Login to Snapchat before installing Xposed, they use SafetyNet only druing signing in.
Don't use outdated software for a buggy hack. Use Nougat, it has better battery than Marshmallow anyway.
Hansbeeman said:
Hey everyone
I've tried multiple roms. Nougat especially. But the one thing i'm desperate about is Amplify and apparently it's not working. I've tried on every rom the SDK 25 from Topjohnwu but it doesn't work. The one thing I need is Amplify.
So i want to go back to a marsmallow rom (by preference RR rom) so that i can install Xposed. Anyone got a link to good rom or a name...
Thanks in advance.
Greetings from someone who needs Amplify to minimize his wakelocks...
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What are you talking about?
Why do you need a custom rom for an older Android version, when Xposed+Amplify work fine for stock 4.1.7 OS??
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RASTAVIPER said:
What are you talking about?
Why do you need a custom rom for an older Android version, when Xposed+Amplify work fine for stock 4.1.7 OS??
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How do you got Amplify to work? I got the newest systemless xposed v87.3 (just released). But Amplify still won't work...
Hansbeeman said:
How do you got Amplify to work? I got the newest systemless xposed v87.3 (just released). But Amplify still won't work...
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Amplify needs to be converted to system app in order to work properly .
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RASTAVIPER said:
Amplify needs to be converted to system app in order to work properly .
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Did that. Didn't work ... Any tips ?
Hansbeeman said:
Did that. Didn't work ... Any tips ?
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Give rights 777 for the Amplify folder at /system/priv-app .
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Give rights 777 for the Amplify folder at /system/priv-app .
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This was something I didn't know. But I did it now. Still doesn't work ... Any other tips.
I have OP3T, Magisk 14.0, with SDK 87.3 (it works). I have Zenity Resurection Remix 7.1.2. Could it be that it has something to do with the inbuilt Wakeblock app in both the RR settings and as an individual app... ?
"added WakeBlock: Blocking the drain before it’s too late (Core v2.0) - big thanks to @GioBozza" (https://forum.xda-developers.com/on...ment/rom-zenity-resurrection-remix-n-t3551384)
Hansbeeman said:
This was something I didn't know. But I did it now. Still doesn't work ... Any other tips.
I have OP3T, Magisk 14.0, with SDK 87.3 (it works). I have Zenity Resurection Remix 7.1.2. Could it be that it has something to do with the inbuilt Wakeblock app in both the RR settings and as an individual app... ?
"added WakeBlock: Blocking the drain before it’s too late (Core v2.0) - big thanks to @GioBozza" (https://forum.xda-developers.com/on...ment/rom-zenity-resurrection-remix-n-t3551384)
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Did u reboot the mobile after changing the rights of the folder?
In my case with stock 4.1.7 it works just fine.
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Xposed vs systemless xposed?

I do not use androidPay or banking apps on my phone because I think it is unwise to do anything financial on a mobile device.
My current ROM is lineageos 14.1 which updates fine with Xposed framework installed. So I don't have to deal with stock ota updates.
For someone like me, on a custom rom, that does not use androidPay or banking apps on a phone, is there any advantage to switching from regular Xposed to systemless xposed?
maybeme2 said:
... For someone like me, on a custom rom, that does not use androidPay or banking apps on a phone, is there any advantage to switching from regular Xposed to systemless xposed?
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If you don't care very much about system/less installation of zips because you're on a custom rom, maybe the only advantage is that systemless xposed is easier to remove if you end up in a bootloop or if you have other kind of problems.
Also, disabling magisk will disable xposed (again, in case of problems).
So, I think the main benefit is this. I tested when I was on Oreo (now I'm on P beta) and yes, in case of bootloop or crashes, disabling xposed modules or systemless xposed in magisk is like a life saver sometimes.
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I do not use androidPay or banking apps on my phone because I think it is unwise to do anything financial on a mobile device.
My current ROM is lineageos 14.1 which updates fine with Xposed framework installed. So I don't have to deal with stock ota updates.
For someone like me, on a custom rom, that does not use androidPay or banking apps on a phone, is there any advantage to switching from regular Xposed to systemless xposed?
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Personally I don't"t think it matters. I am using s8 stock noughat 7.0 rom using rovo"s xposed ver 89 and magisk 16.4 with no issues.
From my understanding reading the op for systemless xposed it's basically Rovo"s version ported to be installed through magisk. So what ever problems you have with one version you would have with the other (app wise that is).
Either version does not pass safety net and can effect play store certification.
I am currently running about 10 exposed apps + about 13 root apps at the moment.
At the end of the day I think it would be a personal choice as to which you choose to use.
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maybeme2 said:
I do not use androidPay or banking apps on my phone because I think it is unwise to do anything financial on a mobile device.
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Pfff... Get with the times, Grandpa!
ldeveraux said:
Pfff... Get with the times, Grandpa!
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That's what a wired desktop is for. But, you go ahead.
maybeme2 said:
That's what a wired desktop is for. But, you go ahead.
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Do you think what a wired desktop is more secure than your android/IOS device nowdays? ALL the OSs have their own compromises and malware, specially desktop OSs.

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