Hi All,
I'm a newbie to this forum - I have some but limited experience upgrading firmware on mobile devices, but I have a problem I am trying to resolve which I cannot find an answer to, and I hoped somebody could lend their expertise (and sympathy!) to helping me out.
I have an old 2nd Generation (2012) Kindle Fire HD. I don't use it anymore and want to give it to my kids to entertain themselves when we are travelling/on holidays - I really like the simplicity of the Amazon Freetime App which is prompting me to want to stick with the Fire OS.
However, one app my kids use a lot when at home (UK) is the BBC iplayer app. On other phones and ipad, the iplayer gives you the ability to download BBC programmes for one month to view offline. However, it would appear that as of 1st September 2015, BBC stopped supporting this function on 2nd generation kindles and other devices running android 4.0:
(I can't post the link as I am a newbie so it is the first link that appears when you google the question "Why can't I download on Android 4.0 and Kindle Fire 2nd Generation?")
This renders the BBC iplayer app useless when there is no network connection in the UK (i.e. in the car), or abroad as you cannot stream BBC programmes when outside the UK.
What I am wondering is, is it possible to install a later version of the fire OS (i.e. fire OS 3.0) on the 2nd generation kindle? I assume you would need to root the kindle first before attempting to install the new OS, but I have no idea whether the device and OS are compatible. I've searched Google extensively, but cannot find an answer to this particular combination/problem.
Any advice would be truly appreciated.
Many thanks,
Rich
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My wife has been talking about the Kindle Fire HD to be a Christmas present to our children. Now I'm a Google Nexus phone owner and enjoy the rooted and custom ROM's very much.
I'm comparing the KFHD and wonder if another Android device like the Google Nexus 7 wouldn't come with the same stuff as the KFHD and give me a more open system to fiddle with.
What are the main reasons for going after the KFHD over any other android tablet (considering the KFHD and Nexus 7 almost have the same price point)
Will things like Amazon Prime not work on android tablets? From the Prime web page I only see an iPad support but nothing generic like an android tablet.
I would appreciate any feedback or experience.
I do have an original kindle, but hardly use it anymore, since I can do the same stuff on my Thrive android tablet.
Thanks Jens
dnargsiefil said:
My wife has been talking about the Kindle Fire HD to be a Christmas present to our children. Now I'm a Google Nexus phone owner and enjoy the rooted and custom ROM's very much.
I'm comparing the KFHD and wonder if another Android device like the Google Nexus 7 wouldn't come with the same stuff as the KFHD and give me a more open system to fiddle with.
What are the main reasons for going after the KFHD over any other android tablet (considering the KFHD and Nexus 7 almost have the same price point)
Will things like Amazon Prime not work on android tablets? From the Prime web page I only see an iPad support but nothing generic like an android tablet.
I would appreciate any feedback or experience.
I do have an original kindle, but hardly use it anymore, since I can do the same stuff on my Thrive android tablet.
Thanks Jens
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Since the tablet is for a child the number one reason is kindle free time. It offers parental controls that no one else does. Google it and find out all the details but that would be the main attraction over the Nexus
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I don't think there's a need for yet another KFHD vs Nexus 7 thread. Try one of the existing ones below for a range of opinions...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1880492
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1911890
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1909334
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1920426
Please join one of those discussions. If those don't work for you, the Nexus 7 forum has plenty more with the bias slanted the other way.
I've done quite a bit of searching, both on Google and here on the forum and I haven't found an answer that applies to the 7-inch KFHD. I currently have Cyanogenmod 10.1 running on it, but it would be really nice to be able to have both JB and the stock Amazon OS installed and be able to switch between them. Is there any way to do this currently? I haven't found anything saying one way or the other. Does anyone else have any idea?
zoness32 said:
I've done quite a bit of searching, both on Google and here on the forum and I haven't found an answer that applies to the 7-inch KFHD. I currently have Cyanogenmod 10.1 running on it, but it would be really nice to be able to have both JB and the stock Amazon OS installed and be able to switch between them. Is there any way to do this currently? I haven't found anything saying one way or the other. Does anyone else have any idea?
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I don't think it's possible, not at this stage. Stock Amazon OS runs on Amazon's ecosystem, in that it is built to work only with Amazon services. This is why simply sideloading Google Play will make it fail miserably. Google's ecosystem requires the GoogleServicesFramework in order to run. There's no way to dual-boot because currently the 1st bootloader handles fastboot yet the 2nd handles the recovery. No one's ever made a 2nd-bootloader public before, and the work that was done by fattire, verygreen and Hashcode is the first. So while it's not completely impossible, I don't think it will come in the near future.
What about different roms?
seokhun said:
I don't think it's possible, not at this stage. Stock Amazon OS runs on Amazon's ecosystem, in that it is built to work only with Amazon services. This is why simply sideloading Google Play will make it fail miserably. Google's ecosystem requires the GoogleServicesFramework in order to run. There's no way to dual-boot because currently the 1st bootloader handles fastboot yet the 2nd handles the recovery. No one's ever made a 2nd-bootloader public before, and the work that was done by fattire, verygreen and Hashcode is the first. So while it's not completely impossible, I don't think it will come in the near future.
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I currently have Cyanogenmod 10.1 on my Kindle Fire HD 7" also, but what about dual booting it with another rom such as AOKP? Then it wouldnt need the amazon ecosystem.
TheLemonyOrange said:
I currently have Cyanogenmod 10.1 on my Kindle Fire HD 7" also, but what about dual booting it with another rom such as AOKP? Then it wouldnt need the amazon ecosystem.
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I'm also very interested in how you would dual boot CM10.1 and the original Kindle Fire HD 7" OS. I have read somewhere that for now, that's the only way you can use the Amazon apps (due to the above cited Amazon ecosystem). I have TWRP and the 2nd bootloader, but haven't found any threads on dual booting different ROMs.
Dual Booting?
Too bad.
I am running the N2A OS on my 7" KFHD. Mostly a satisfactory experience, but I would like to have the ability the read borrowed books from my Amazon Prime account on it, and also to play Amazon Prime videos. Unfortunately, Amazon has not seen fit to allows either of these to be done on an Android tablet, only on the Kindles (borrowed books) and Kindle Fire tablets.
I have not seen any indication that they are planning to change their policy with respect to these permissions - dual booting would be a great solution.
I have tried the workaround for the Amazon videos (installing Adobe Flash), but have found the results to be less then satisfactory.
Similarly, I tried rooting my Kindle Fire HD and installing Google Play, but found that I was getting repeating Google Framework has stopped messages, and another message as well.
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Follow this link if you can find any solution http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2551661
SafeStrap
Looks like hashcode had done it with safestrap, but it's no longer available for Kindle Fire.Link
Hi Everyone,
Is there a simple way to determine which methods to do which things are for which device?
It seems (unless I am missing something-- it wouldn't be the first time) that this forum mixes the 2012 and the new version of the Fire HD and apparently they are so NOT the same device that it could be disastrous to try some of the things listed here.
I bought a Fire HD this Christmas for my daughter and simply want to root it and hopefully install TWRP and a ROM to make it more generically Android. If nothing else, at least get GAPPS, so she won't have to pay for apps she already has on her phone.
I see threads here that imply that it is possible (second bootloader, etc), but there is no mention anywhere if these methods are for the older or newer version (again, unless I have missed it).
I was hoping that at least in this top level forum for all of the Fire HD devices, that in the FAQ it would help spell out what can and can't be done and how to determine the differences by tread title.
If I'm missing something (and again, my ADD makes that a definite possibility :silly, please let me know, but other XDA forums (my Galaxy S4 for example) has rules for how things get posted to help differentiate between hardware differences that could cause a brick to happen.
I understand that there are many more older Fire HD devices out there, but Amazon sold tonnage this past Christmas of the new ones so hopefully good things are in store, but that makes differentiation even more important, no?
Thanks in advance,
Dan
Dan Miller said:
Hi Everyone,
Is there a simple way to determine which methods to do which things are for which device?
It seems (unless I am missing something-- it wouldn't be the first time) that this forum mixes the 2012 and the new version of the Fire HD and apparently they are so NOT the same device that it could be disastrous to try some of the things listed here.
I bought a Fire HD this Christmas for my daughter and simply want to root it and hopefully install TWRP and a ROM to make it more generically Android. If nothing else, at least get GAPPS, so she won't have to pay for apps she already has on her phone.
I see threads here that imply that it is possible (second bootloader, etc), but there is no mention anywhere if these methods are for the older or newer version (again, unless I have missed it).
I was hoping that at least in this top level forum for all of the Fire HD devices, that in the FAQ it would help spell out what can and can't be done and how to determine the differences by tread title.
If I'm missing something (and again, my ADD makes that a definite possibility :silly, please let me know, but other XDA forums (my Galaxy S4 for example) has rules for how things get posted to help differentiate between hardware differences that could cause a brick to happen.
I understand that there are many more older Fire HD devices out there, but Amazon sold tonnage this past Christmas of the new ones so hopefully good things are in store, but that makes differentiation even more important, no?
Thanks in advance,
Dan
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Short answer: no.
You're not missing anything. Many (if not MOST) posts are extremely ambiguous about which hardware is being reference (Kindle, Kindle 2, HD, HD 2, HDX) then there's the size variations. Just the other day I asked a very similar question.
What I can tell you to look for is the firmware version number referenced because that is a great indicator of what's intended. Combine that with other hints and you can usually tell pretty well. For example, Kinde Fire HD could mean the 2012[ish] model that will be running 7.x firmware. The 2013 Kindle Fire HDs will be running 11.x now (if they're updated and as of when I'm posting this). That's the next major clue, look at when the post was made because that likely refers to the generation of device if it's a ROM/HACK (as opposed to inquiry). Firmware names tend to have the hardware nick-name in them too which can help also.
Personally, if I posted something hardware dependent I would provide my model #, year/month purchased, firmware version, model name (HD, HDX) and size.
Blame Amazon for being ridiculous with their product names.
Same boat
I too wish the Kindle names were less ambiguous. Moving forward, i would like to see new threads specify 2012 or 2013 models. I keep clicking on thread after thread hoping that somewhere a Cyanogenmod or other ROM has been found to work on the 2013/SOHO KFHD, but keep going in circles.
There are not many threads about the 2013 Kindle Fire HD 7 because there are not many exploits. There is root, remove lock screen ads and the ability to install Google Play although Google Play at this point is for window shopping only. Attempts to download from the play store, at this point, will freeze the tablet and you will need to reboot it. I added the links in my signature to help people find the few topics available.
Sent from my Nexus 7 Flo running Odex SinLess ROM 4.4.2 with ElementalX kernel using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
thank you
LinearEquation said:
There are not many threads about the 2013 Kindle Fire HD 7 because there are not many exploits. There is root, remove lock screen ads and the ability to install Google Play although Google Play at this point is for window shopping only. Attempts to download from the play store, at this point, will freeze the tablet and you will need to reboot it. I added the links in my signature to help people find the few topics available.
Sent from my Nexus 7 Flo running Odex SinLess ROM 4.4.2 with ElementalX kernel using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
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I appreciate the quick reply. Now i can rest finally knowing there is nothing more i can do with it for now. Wait...nevermind..now i have to start trying to hack my OUYA lol
Lmfao. stuck developers
I'm new to this device, and therefore new to researching about it, so if this question is redundant, I apologise. But even if it is, I hope someone will take a moment to help out.
Just got a Kindle Fire HD 7" 3rd gen for Christmas. The serial number starts with 00D2, and after it went through a couple updates, it's now running Fire OS 4.52 (build 11.4.5.2). I have a factory cord on the way, but I'm looking to be prepared for when it arrives. Is there a way to root this, yet? Can this device be rooted with Firerooter?
Also, if it is possible, I'm possibly looking to install a different ROM as well, and I'm hoping for some recommendations. I want something that offers more customization ability, and a wider set of options, but I don't need something as extravagant as CM 11, for example. I also don't want one that will lag on this device (I hate waiting), or consume the battery much faster than Fire OS 4 does. I'd prefer if it consumed less battery power honestly, but I figure that's asking for too much. Any help is appreciated.
Firerooter. Yes. KFSOWI modding community on Google+
Fire Tablet with Alexa, 7", 16 GB (Special Offers) 5th Generation
Would really appreciate a proven step-by-step guide to replace the OS with Android.
(I'm very new to Android).
The posts I've read and google searches indicate a lot of problems with doing this.
Is it even practical?