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My wife has been talking about the Kindle Fire HD to be a Christmas present to our children. Now I'm a Google Nexus phone owner and enjoy the rooted and custom ROM's very much.
I'm comparing the KFHD and wonder if another Android device like the Google Nexus 7 wouldn't come with the same stuff as the KFHD and give me a more open system to fiddle with.
What are the main reasons for going after the KFHD over any other android tablet (considering the KFHD and Nexus 7 almost have the same price point)
Will things like Amazon Prime not work on android tablets? From the Prime web page I only see an iPad support but nothing generic like an android tablet.
I would appreciate any feedback or experience.
I do have an original kindle, but hardly use it anymore, since I can do the same stuff on my Thrive android tablet.
Thanks Jens
dnargsiefil said:
My wife has been talking about the Kindle Fire HD to be a Christmas present to our children. Now I'm a Google Nexus phone owner and enjoy the rooted and custom ROM's very much.
I'm comparing the KFHD and wonder if another Android device like the Google Nexus 7 wouldn't come with the same stuff as the KFHD and give me a more open system to fiddle with.
What are the main reasons for going after the KFHD over any other android tablet (considering the KFHD and Nexus 7 almost have the same price point)
Will things like Amazon Prime not work on android tablets? From the Prime web page I only see an iPad support but nothing generic like an android tablet.
I would appreciate any feedback or experience.
I do have an original kindle, but hardly use it anymore, since I can do the same stuff on my Thrive android tablet.
Thanks Jens
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Since the tablet is for a child the number one reason is kindle free time. It offers parental controls that no one else does. Google it and find out all the details but that would be the main attraction over the Nexus
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I don't think there's a need for yet another KFHD vs Nexus 7 thread. Try one of the existing ones below for a range of opinions...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1880492
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1911890
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1909334
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1920426
Please join one of those discussions. If those don't work for you, the Nexus 7 forum has plenty more with the bias slanted the other way.
Why do they add forums for unreleased devices like the DROID DNA and Nexus 4/Nexus 10 but not the Kindle HD 8.9"?
Anyways my question is since Amazon released open source files for the 8.9" does that mean custom roms are possible or the bootloader is still locked?
Should be the same as the HD 7, but will know today. Mine is being delivered today
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Still locked... Why would amazon change their minds and allow it to easily happen?
Boot strap is being worked on for the 7", don't see why it would be any different BUT they are just getting into customer hands, so we'll see if it works for both.
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If your risky, you can try running qemu tool and reporting if it works. It is very likely to, but be careful.
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nba1341 said:
Why do they add forums for unreleased devices like the DROID DNA and Nexus 4/Nexus 10 but not the Kindle HD 8.9"?
Anyways my question is since Amazon released open source files for the 8.9" does that mean custom roms are possible or the bootloader is still locked?
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I second your request for an 8.9 forum!
somdave2005 said:
I second your request for an 8.9 forum!
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The forum admins are considering the options for the 8.9" device(s) and we should get a decision soon.
In the meantime, questions and discussions about the 8.9" device are welcome in this forum since the 7" KFHD is its closest sibling. Should a new forum get created for the 8.9" Kindle Fire, all relevant threads will get moved there. Any discussions regarding the 8.9" Kindle Fire should be clearly marked as such in the title to eliminate any confusion in this forum.
Stay tuned...
I've done quite a bit of searching, both on Google and here on the forum and I haven't found an answer that applies to the 7-inch KFHD. I currently have Cyanogenmod 10.1 running on it, but it would be really nice to be able to have both JB and the stock Amazon OS installed and be able to switch between them. Is there any way to do this currently? I haven't found anything saying one way or the other. Does anyone else have any idea?
zoness32 said:
I've done quite a bit of searching, both on Google and here on the forum and I haven't found an answer that applies to the 7-inch KFHD. I currently have Cyanogenmod 10.1 running on it, but it would be really nice to be able to have both JB and the stock Amazon OS installed and be able to switch between them. Is there any way to do this currently? I haven't found anything saying one way or the other. Does anyone else have any idea?
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I don't think it's possible, not at this stage. Stock Amazon OS runs on Amazon's ecosystem, in that it is built to work only with Amazon services. This is why simply sideloading Google Play will make it fail miserably. Google's ecosystem requires the GoogleServicesFramework in order to run. There's no way to dual-boot because currently the 1st bootloader handles fastboot yet the 2nd handles the recovery. No one's ever made a 2nd-bootloader public before, and the work that was done by fattire, verygreen and Hashcode is the first. So while it's not completely impossible, I don't think it will come in the near future.
What about different roms?
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I don't think it's possible, not at this stage. Stock Amazon OS runs on Amazon's ecosystem, in that it is built to work only with Amazon services. This is why simply sideloading Google Play will make it fail miserably. Google's ecosystem requires the GoogleServicesFramework in order to run. There's no way to dual-boot because currently the 1st bootloader handles fastboot yet the 2nd handles the recovery. No one's ever made a 2nd-bootloader public before, and the work that was done by fattire, verygreen and Hashcode is the first. So while it's not completely impossible, I don't think it will come in the near future.
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I currently have Cyanogenmod 10.1 on my Kindle Fire HD 7" also, but what about dual booting it with another rom such as AOKP? Then it wouldnt need the amazon ecosystem.
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I currently have Cyanogenmod 10.1 on my Kindle Fire HD 7" also, but what about dual booting it with another rom such as AOKP? Then it wouldnt need the amazon ecosystem.
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I'm also very interested in how you would dual boot CM10.1 and the original Kindle Fire HD 7" OS. I have read somewhere that for now, that's the only way you can use the Amazon apps (due to the above cited Amazon ecosystem). I have TWRP and the 2nd bootloader, but haven't found any threads on dual booting different ROMs.
Dual Booting?
Too bad.
I am running the N2A OS on my 7" KFHD. Mostly a satisfactory experience, but I would like to have the ability the read borrowed books from my Amazon Prime account on it, and also to play Amazon Prime videos. Unfortunately, Amazon has not seen fit to allows either of these to be done on an Android tablet, only on the Kindles (borrowed books) and Kindle Fire tablets.
I have not seen any indication that they are planning to change their policy with respect to these permissions - dual booting would be a great solution.
I have tried the workaround for the Amazon videos (installing Adobe Flash), but have found the results to be less then satisfactory.
Similarly, I tried rooting my Kindle Fire HD and installing Google Play, but found that I was getting repeating Google Framework has stopped messages, and another message as well.
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Follow this link if you can find any solution http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2551661
SafeStrap
Looks like hashcode had done it with safestrap, but it's no longer available for Kindle Fire.Link
Hi Everyone,
Is there a simple way to determine which methods to do which things are for which device?
It seems (unless I am missing something-- it wouldn't be the first time) that this forum mixes the 2012 and the new version of the Fire HD and apparently they are so NOT the same device that it could be disastrous to try some of the things listed here.
I bought a Fire HD this Christmas for my daughter and simply want to root it and hopefully install TWRP and a ROM to make it more generically Android. If nothing else, at least get GAPPS, so she won't have to pay for apps she already has on her phone.
I see threads here that imply that it is possible (second bootloader, etc), but there is no mention anywhere if these methods are for the older or newer version (again, unless I have missed it).
I was hoping that at least in this top level forum for all of the Fire HD devices, that in the FAQ it would help spell out what can and can't be done and how to determine the differences by tread title.
If I'm missing something (and again, my ADD makes that a definite possibility :silly, please let me know, but other XDA forums (my Galaxy S4 for example) has rules for how things get posted to help differentiate between hardware differences that could cause a brick to happen.
I understand that there are many more older Fire HD devices out there, but Amazon sold tonnage this past Christmas of the new ones so hopefully good things are in store, but that makes differentiation even more important, no?
Thanks in advance,
Dan
Dan Miller said:
Hi Everyone,
Is there a simple way to determine which methods to do which things are for which device?
It seems (unless I am missing something-- it wouldn't be the first time) that this forum mixes the 2012 and the new version of the Fire HD and apparently they are so NOT the same device that it could be disastrous to try some of the things listed here.
I bought a Fire HD this Christmas for my daughter and simply want to root it and hopefully install TWRP and a ROM to make it more generically Android. If nothing else, at least get GAPPS, so she won't have to pay for apps she already has on her phone.
I see threads here that imply that it is possible (second bootloader, etc), but there is no mention anywhere if these methods are for the older or newer version (again, unless I have missed it).
I was hoping that at least in this top level forum for all of the Fire HD devices, that in the FAQ it would help spell out what can and can't be done and how to determine the differences by tread title.
If I'm missing something (and again, my ADD makes that a definite possibility :silly, please let me know, but other XDA forums (my Galaxy S4 for example) has rules for how things get posted to help differentiate between hardware differences that could cause a brick to happen.
I understand that there are many more older Fire HD devices out there, but Amazon sold tonnage this past Christmas of the new ones so hopefully good things are in store, but that makes differentiation even more important, no?
Thanks in advance,
Dan
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Short answer: no.
You're not missing anything. Many (if not MOST) posts are extremely ambiguous about which hardware is being reference (Kindle, Kindle 2, HD, HD 2, HDX) then there's the size variations. Just the other day I asked a very similar question.
What I can tell you to look for is the firmware version number referenced because that is a great indicator of what's intended. Combine that with other hints and you can usually tell pretty well. For example, Kinde Fire HD could mean the 2012[ish] model that will be running 7.x firmware. The 2013 Kindle Fire HDs will be running 11.x now (if they're updated and as of when I'm posting this). That's the next major clue, look at when the post was made because that likely refers to the generation of device if it's a ROM/HACK (as opposed to inquiry). Firmware names tend to have the hardware nick-name in them too which can help also.
Personally, if I posted something hardware dependent I would provide my model #, year/month purchased, firmware version, model name (HD, HDX) and size.
Blame Amazon for being ridiculous with their product names.
Same boat
I too wish the Kindle names were less ambiguous. Moving forward, i would like to see new threads specify 2012 or 2013 models. I keep clicking on thread after thread hoping that somewhere a Cyanogenmod or other ROM has been found to work on the 2013/SOHO KFHD, but keep going in circles.
There are not many threads about the 2013 Kindle Fire HD 7 because there are not many exploits. There is root, remove lock screen ads and the ability to install Google Play although Google Play at this point is for window shopping only. Attempts to download from the play store, at this point, will freeze the tablet and you will need to reboot it. I added the links in my signature to help people find the few topics available.
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thank you
LinearEquation said:
There are not many threads about the 2013 Kindle Fire HD 7 because there are not many exploits. There is root, remove lock screen ads and the ability to install Google Play although Google Play at this point is for window shopping only. Attempts to download from the play store, at this point, will freeze the tablet and you will need to reboot it. I added the links in my signature to help people find the few topics available.
Sent from my Nexus 7 Flo running Odex SinLess ROM 4.4.2 with ElementalX kernel using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
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I appreciate the quick reply. Now i can rest finally knowing there is nothing more i can do with it for now. Wait...nevermind..now i have to start trying to hack my OUYA lol
Lmfao. stuck developers
Do you guys think this device would update to marshmallow or marshmallow based roms?
no
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midnight102 said:
Do you guys think this device would update to marshmallow or marshmallow based roms?
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Nope.
You can get some of the look of Marshmallow by loading the Nova launcher onto the Fire 7.
Root the Fire 7 with RootJunky's SuperTool and install the Nova launcher with one of the SuperTool options. One of the feature options of the Nova launcher is Marshmallow style icons. In Nova launcher go to Nova Settings, Look & feel, Icon theme, Marshmallow Android 6.0.
Don't fix what isn't broken. If you look through the latest history of custom v6 roms, they're rife with installation bugs and google apps barely works. Just stick with the latest CM 5, it works great with not much room for improvement for a casual user like me.
Maybe not Roms but FireOS 6 might be available to fire 7
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Brsuperboy9 said:
Maybe not Roms but FireOS 6 might be available to fire 7
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Might - but probably not. If/when Amazon updates FireOS to an Android 6/7 base there would be no business case to push out a major update to a huge number of older budget devices. Some of those upgrades are going to fail driving up support costs. To what end? Are Fire 7 owners suddenly going to start buying more stuff from Amazon because they got a shiny new version of FireOS?
Davey126 said:
Might - but probably not. If/when Amazon updates FireOS to an Android 6/7 base there would be no business case to push out a major update to a huge number of older budget devices. Some of those upgrades are going to fail driving up support costs. To what end? Are Fire 7 owners suddenly going to start buying more stuff from Amazon because they got a shiny new version of FireOS?
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Yeah but Amazon has done an update to the next major FireOS on a few tablets. An example are the fire HD 6\7 and Fire HDX 2014 updated to FireOS 5 so why not the Fire 7, Fire HDX 8\10 getting FireOS 6
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Brsuperboy9 said:
Yeah but Amazon has done an update to the next major FireOS on a few tablets. An example are the fire HD 6\7 and Fire HDX 2014 updated to FireOS 5 so why not the Fire 7, Fire HDX 8\10 getting FireOS 6
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Price points (margins) were higher on those examples, especially the 4th gen HDX. My sense is Amazon got burned updating those devices and won't make the same mistake. Again, what's to be gained from Amazon's perspective?
Davey126 said:
Price points (margins) were higher on those examples, especially the 4th gen HDX. My sense is Amazon got burned updating those devices and won't make the same mistake. Again, what's to be gained from Amazon's perspective?
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Is there a problem? It's just an update. And you're also assuming Amazon got burned. There are a lot of people wanting Marshmallow so why do you have to try to shut a lot of people down? Like I said its just an update, not supposed to raise sales on the 5th gens.
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Brsuperboy9 said:
Is there a problem? It's just an update. And you're also assuming Amazon got burned. There are a lot of people wanting Marshmallow so why do you have to try to shut a lot of people down? Like I said its just an update, not supposed to raise sales on the 5th gens.
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Offering a different perspective. Lots of problems updating HDX models from JB->KK->LP having worked with that community for quite awhile. That said, 5th gen Fire's have more robust recovery capabilities (can reload stock if an update goes bad; could not do that on HDX; effectively bricked) so perhaps the risk is lower.
Any successful company operates against a business plan of which customer 'wants' play into that equation with varying weights. In this case device sales are arguably loss leaders; what people do with the their Amazon appliances (buy stuff from Amazon!) is where the moneys at. Lollipop -> Marshmallow is not "just an update" when deployed across a large user base with varying configs. A non-functioning or misbehaving device doesn't generate clicks and sales.
If a Marshmallow based version of FireOS does come out I suspect Amazon will heavily modify some of the most desirable features to satisfy their business interests. Doze immediately comes to mind as Amazon apps tend to aggressively run in the background monitoring everything. Now-on-Tap, granular permissions, system tuner ... I don't think so. Adopted storage would be nice.
Davey126 said:
Offering a different perspective. Lots of problems updating HDX models from JB->KK->LP having worked with that community for quite awhile. That said, 5th gen Fire's have more robust recovery capabilities (can reload stock if an update goes bad; could not do that on HDX; effectively bricked) so perhaps the risk is lower.
Any successful company operates against a business plan of which customer 'wants' play into that equation with varying weights. In this case device sales are arguably loss leaders; what people do with the their Amazon appliances (buy stuff from Amazon!) is where the moneys at. Lollipop -> Marshmallow is not "just an update" when deployed across a large user base with varying configs. A non-functioning or misbehaving device doesn't generate clicks and sales.
If a Marshmallow based version of FireOS does come out I suspect Amazon will heavily modify some of the most desirable features to satisfy their business interests. Doze immediately comes to mind as Amazon apps tend to aggressively run in the background monitoring everything. Now-on-Tap, granular permissions, system tuner ... I don't think so. Adopted storage would be nice.
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Yay, but then the bootloder would admit marshmallow/nougat so cm13/14 would be possible if it could be rooted.
FireOS is **** in every version, but if it updates, it opens the door fot new custom roms.
tonibm19 said:
Yay, but then the bootloder would admit marshmallow/nougat so cm13/14 would be possible if it could be rooted.
FireOS is **** in every version, but if it updates, it opens the door fot new custom roms.
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Yep - with you there on custom ROMs. Nothing wrong with FireOS for the target audience and desired consumer behavior. Easy to use and presents Amazon's various stores front and center. No one would be complaining there was a different core OS under the covers.