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Since there IS a topic about using the G-sensor, I guess it is a good idea to come up with a thread about using the capacative touchpad of the diamond.
Since the test-tools were out, we saw that the left and right part of the centre-button is a multi-touch enabled touchpad.
It could be used in so many ways, for gestures, extra 'hardware' keys, etc. That's the reason for this topic.
Hey, I reverse engineered the Nav wheel. It may be multitouch, but the raw data I get back from the Diamond does not indicate that it is. The only data I was able to retrieve is rotations per second. I also have not figured out how to reverse engineer the center button.
Koush said:
Hey, I reverse engineered the Nav wheel. It may be multitouch, but the raw data I get back from the Diamond does not indicate that it is. The only data I was able to retrieve is rotations per second. I also have not figured out how to reverse engineer the center button.
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Maybe you have already seen it .. but check out the 'NavDbgTool.exe' here...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Diamond_Testing_Tool
Riel said:
Since there IS a topic about using the G-sensor, I guess it is a good idea to come up with a thread about using the capacative touchpad of the diamond.
Since the test-tools were out, we saw that the left and right part of the centre-button is a multi-touch enabled touchpad.
It could be used in so many ways, for gestures, extra 'hardware' keys, etc. That's the reason for this topic.
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Good idea ! I was thinking about starting such topic..
What about a unlocker ? If you slide your finger from Home key to the Answer key and at the same time you slide your other finger from the Back key to the Don't Answer key ? Could be nice.. just an idea!
What I have seen, that is quite hard, since above and below the nav-pad is no touch-pad. It sees it as 'nav-pad action' then.
I thought of navigating in another way.
What multitouch-applications do there exist, and are any of them usable for the limited space we have besides the nav-wheel?
It DOES give 4 extra 'hardware' keys. Even key-combinations can be made
Maybe some genious will find a slick way of text-inputting via the 2 pads !
Just give it a small kick upwards
Dont let this topic die?
I was just looking at this for a bit, think I get some clues about how to get the data. I have a time-problem, though Will probably be a while before I pick it up again.
However, I think I saw Schaps mention he is using it in his new touchxperience UI, that'd mean he knows how to do it. Why not just ask him?
I can see one use already. Capacitive sensors are more responsive than resistive screens, so it would be cool to use this in place of touching the screen to scroll through touchflo3d tabs.
Surur
Does any one know if this is implemented in the touch pro? and if so, in what way? Maybe we will inherit whatever the pro has to offer in this regard.
YESSSS!
This is awsome!
Did you guyzz see the vid vid?
Unlocking the Diamond with no Hard button touch at alll?.
Cheers fellasss
Nice, looking forward to a nice task manager and launcher mouse pad thing in the future!
A mouse like on the Samsung Omnia would be a good idea.
Surur
Not really multitouch
OK, I've download the NavDBG tool and played with it... strictly speaking this isn't multitouch, or not multitouch in the way that the apple looks at it. It's single touch but split into 3 areas. Basically imagine the button area at the bottom of the diamond is split into 3 columns.
You have 3 single touch areas:
1) On the left with the home and dial buttons
2) In the middle tracking outside the circle or also detecting a touch (not a button press) inside the circle. If you finger touches both outside and inside the circle, outside the circle takes precedence
3) On the right with the back and hangup buttons.
The multitouch impression comes from the fact that all 3 of these single touch areas can be used simultaneously.
This doesn't in my opinion open up brilliant options in terms of pinch to shrink spread to enlarge ala apple, but it does mean that a device fairly limited in terms of buttons could get a lot of good enhancements to useability.
My biggest annoyance with the device is when you are trying to gesture in TF3D or in an app (eg scrolling in opera) and it decides you've tapped mid gesture and follows a link etc, using the louch sensitive lower areas for gestures would eliminate this problem and make for a much better user experience (in my opinion).
Also, for games, the potential to use the touch sensitive lower area for a range of game controls would be great.
So all good stuff, but not strictly speaking multitouch.
edit: Additionally it seems to only see a narrow horizontal band in the middle (wheel) section. Interestingly it seems to register about 1cm on each side of the wheel and inside the button, it seems to infer rotation around the wheel based on the finger movements as it crosses these areas.
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This doesn't in my opinion open up brilliant options in terms of pinch to shrink spread to enlarge ala apple
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Seeing how small the pad area it, this would still work, just with fingers on different sensitive areas. If fact, this sounds like a perfect first implementation - zooming in Opera Mobile (although a bit senseless since the scroll wheel works with one hand while pinching will need two).
Surur
i think the biggest advantage of this revelation will the benefit of some new added buttons. I can think of a few uses for them too.
left/right touch to
move fwd/back through tabs in opera
skip fwd/back tracks in music player
pounding the hell out of when playing daily thompsons decathalon (if anyone remembers that great 80's game)
I remember reading somewhere that someone is preparing a SDK for this. I think it's very important since we have almost no programmable keys. This can be used as extra keys. Any news on this front?
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I remember reading somewhere that someone is preparing a SDK for this. I think it's very important since we have almost no programmable keys. This can be used as extra keys. Any news on this front?
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I would love to see this!
My full on support.
I was thinking of using the touchpanels for a mousepointer control!
I know, when browsing opera, my fingers are too fat to click small links.
Must keep zooming.
I wonder if it was possible to pop up a mouse cursor, and move it with one small touch-panel. The other panel for left and rightclicks.
I have held my diamond with that idea, and I think it is very useful and finger-friendly!
CapacitiveFingerLock
I did make a Proof of Concept of CapacativeFingerLock. This one gives another possibility of locking/unlocking the Touch Diamond or Touch Pro.
Hello- I really like the feature on the diamond that allows you to navigate to the next email by swiping your thumb accross the screen horizontally. I use blackberry connect on my Diamond also but for some reason the swiping gesture does not work when I am reading blackberry email like it does on all of my other email. The interesting thing is that the swiping gesture from the email list screen does change to other email accounts from the blackberry account. Can someone please coach me on how to change the registry to make this work. The left right buttons are very hard to use accurately.
Thanks.
I am totally onboard with you and would like this functionality as well... Can someone help out.
Thanks for the tip - I had no idea you could do this! Very, very handy!
(/offtopic - sorry - unable to help with the original question!)
Thanks!
Matto
It would be great if we could also swap or customise the gestures - for example left to right instead of right to left
disable gesture
.....or disable this function, i hate it
Does anyone know enough about this to help please?
I didn't know about this function either, thanks so much for the headsup...its great!
surprised how many people didn't know about the gestures but if you liked that may as well learn some more. Take a read of this: http://www.fuzemobility.com/?p=1487
Hello. I was just wondering if any of you out there (more specifically the people who own the Galaxy Note) if you know if it is possible to disable the finger touch input on the Galaxy Note when using the stylus? What I mean is, if you were to want to use JUST the stylus and NOT your fingers to navigate around on the Galaxy Note, is there an option that makes that possible or...?
Hopefully you guys understand what I'm trying to get an answer to.
Thanks!
there is no disable option however if you want to navigate your device using the stylus only, this is done pretty easily. The only buttons that you cannot use with the s pen are the hardware back and menu button however Samsung have created the same functions of the back and menu button if you use gestures on the pen i.e. if you keep your finger on the button of the s pen and swipe left on the screen, it acts the same as the back button likewise, if you swipe upwards, it acts like the menu button.
So in other words, what your saying is that the finger touch input will still be enabled even if I use the stylus?
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So in other words, what your saying is that the finger touch input will still be enabled even if I use the stylus?
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First of all dont insult it sayin stylus , its S-pen and is way more functional than so called stylus.
I wonder why you want to disable finger touch. if u dont want ur capacitive back button to get pressed when drawing (most of the users were facing it), then let me tell you that newer roms are taking care of that. i.e while drawing if you hit back button, it wont work unless you lift the S pen.
if your requirement is something else, then you can use gloves
If the finger touch won't be disabled when using the S-Pen, then one must not touch or rest his/her palm while using the S-Pen. It would have been more comfortable if the palm could rest the screen while writing. Yes, gloves may be useful here..:laugh:
Currently ICS and JB TW ROM's have S-note where you can enable palm rejection. But otherwise you cannot disable the touch on your touch screen
When you do some practice you can draw while resting your palm on the screen without touching the menu or back button.. I use to take notes in college only on my fone and it's very much familiar to use spen now
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Beerbong is working on palm rejection in pa 3
Or probably he is done
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Any one else struggling with the Knuckle gestures? I find it very challenging to get it right, I wonder if there is a trick or something!
Give it a good whack!
I'm using it really often for screenshots - they're working great for me.
But one thing I want to have with this gestures is to enable the navbar.
The reason for that is, I wear gloves at work and can't go back to home with them, because the finger print sensor doesn't recognize my finger with glove.
I don't know still not able to get it work consistently specially splitting the screen in apps that has side sliding pages!!
Hi
Do you know if we can use multiple S pen at the same time ? For example, I want to let a S pen on my desktop and use it at home to avoid to take out the S pen inside the Note 8.
Thanks
I tried somewhat like you describe with my note 7, but the spen was not be detected when another one was stored inside the phone
Not clear what OP wants to do, after reading it 5 times...
You can use various S pens, but digitizer only accepts one at the time.
I can use my Note 4 S pen while Note 8 S pen is stored in phone, as long as I have "power saver" in S pen settings off.
I use various S pens (Wacom pen, Noble/Steadler pen, S pens) with all Galaxy Notes (2, 4, 8, 10.1) and my Notebook 9 Pro, no problem.
I believe that winol understood what I wanted to say : actually, I want to have 2 S pen, one that I carry in my phone everywhere (in the slot of the galaxy note) and an other that I left at home for example. The goal is to avoid to take out the S pen at home every time I want to use it (because I have a second S pen in my exemple) .
From winol answer, it seems that we can't have the Note 8 to recognize a second S pen when one is in his slot.
Is it clearer ? (sorry english is not my native language)
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I believe that winol understood what I wanted to say : actually, I want to have 2 S pen, one that I carry in my phone everywhere (in the slot of the galaxy note) and an other that I left at home for example. The goal is to avoid to take out the S pen at home every time I want to use it (because I have a second S pen in my exemple) .
From winol answer, it seems that we can't have the Note 8 to recognize a second S pen when one is in his slot.
Is it clearer ? (sorry english is not my native language)
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Yes like OnnoJ mentioned you should be able to do that if you turn off the power saver option in s-pen settings. I haven't tried it though, because I only have 1 s-pen
Oh it works, nice ! just the tip of my Note 3 isnt as smooth as the one in the note 8 but I can fix this
Good to know i worked! With the note 7 it did not, I really did not want to implement using two, but I bought another spen, and when I tried it, it did not work, as the original one was still attached
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Yes like OnnoJ mentioned you should be able to do that if you turn off the power saver option in s-pen settings. I haven't tried it though, because I only have 1 s-pen
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Yeah, this. Notes have always been like this, turn off Power Saver if you want to use additional S-Pens while one is stored in the device.
the same with Note 9
1) Is there ANY way to trigger Samsung's AirCommand without pulling the S Pen out ? An app, an activity, a shortcut, a Tasker plugin, an xposed/magisk module, anything ?
2) Likewise, is it possible to enable or disable "power saver" for S Pen without going to the (unnecessarily confusing) Settings ?
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1) Is there ANY way to trigger Samsung's AirCommand without pulling the S Pen out ? An app, an activity, a shortcut, a Tasker plugin, an xposed/magisk module, anything ?
2) Likewise, is it possible to enable or disable "power saver" for S Pen without going to the (unnecessarily confusing) Settings ?
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See screenshot for settings for floating icon and power saving options under advance -> SPen settings, SPen does not require to be removed, pressing the button will bring up the air command icon after which it will stick around till a reboot (your out if luck if pen does not have button)
zadox said:
1) Is there ANY way to trigger Samsung's AirCommand without pulling the S Pen out ? An app, an activity, a shortcut, a Tasker plugin, an xposed/magisk module, anything ?
2) Likewise, is it possible to enable or disable "power saver" for S Pen without going to the (unnecessarily confusing) Settings ?
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As far as I know, the last time I checked this (which was a quite a while ago), the air command icon doesn't work or react to anything other than the S Pen. For instance, even if it's on screen, you can't press on it with your finger and interact with it like that. I'll recheck that again now.
As far as apps existing to trigger the air command and the setting; there used to be an app for the Note 3 to trigger air command. I don't know if apps like that still exist or even work.
For the setting, you can create a shortcut, if you have Nova Launcher, or use Activity Launcher app to create a shortcut to go directly to the S Pen settings. It's not as ideal as just a trigger, but it saves a little on effort. I don't think there is an app that allows you to change that setting via a widget or something like that.
EDIT: Confirmed. The Air Command icon only works and reacts to the S Pen. So, even if you had an app to open Air Command without undocking the pen, it wouldn't work anyway. So, might as well just take out the pen and use it via the pen, like it was intended.
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As far as I know, the last time I checked this (which was a quite a while ago), the air command icon doesn't work or react to anything other than the S Pen. For instance, even if it's on screen, you can't press on it with your finger and interact with it like that. I'll recheck that again now.
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EDIT: Confirmed. The Air Command icon only works and reacts to the S Pen. So, even if you had an app to open Air Command without undocking the pen, it wouldn't work anyway. So, might as well just take out the pen and use it via the pen, like it was intended.
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I was presuming that they were using a compatible pen device as the post mentions multiple S Pen, the only issue is not all compatible pen devices has a button.
SteelPicori said:
I was presuming that they were using a compatible pen device as the post mentions multiple S Pen, the only issue is not all compatible pen devices has a button.
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Yeah, this makes sense. I'm a very literal person. If you say "S Pen", I'm going to assume you're talking about an S Pen and not a similar device, like an Apple Pencil.