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Does rooting provide any protection against malware or does it make it worse?
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Best protection against malware = user.
If you just root, and don't use a custom recovery and custom ROMs, immediately install SuperSU, antivirus, and make sure you protect yourself. SuperSU will at least notify you when an application is trying to use root permissions (aka - modify or access system files) which is not something you want every program doing.
The nice thing about having root is you can change things on your phone a launcher can't touch - boot animation, screen DPI, backup apps like Titanium Backup, and of course clearing out carrier bloatware.
If you do go with a custom recovery, TWRP for example, and flash ROMs, CyanogenMod for example, you are often provided with SuperSU tools and other options as part of the package. Just be very sure you are using images from reputable sources. Lord knows what kind of stuff someone who published a custom ROM could get off your device if they had ill intents.
If you are new to rooting, flashing, etc then I would suggest starting with root access only. Explore what you can do with it, learn it, and be conscious of security as you go. After you are comfortable with it, try CyanogenMod to see how a custom ROM really differs from stock.
Rooting will not give any protection against malware you have to install antivirus or use any app that will help you against this with root
Oh, and to answer the question 'should you root'... We tinker with all the things because we like to. We like knowing how all the things work. We like having more control of all the things. If you don't like this, then don't.
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Does rooting provide any protection against malware or does it make it worse?
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Android is blamed for earning malware for your device but hey! the user of the device is 100% responsible for it. Stop clicking on spammy links and visiting those websites which allow you to earn malware Problem will be solved.
Now rooting. Rooting is the best way to taste your android device at fullest. Use custom ROM, tweak the kernel and much more
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Does rooting provide any protection against malware or does it make it worse?
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I'm not an expert and have found the site to be filled with a lot of great, detailed information including howto instructions if you decide to root. I've rooted a few phones but not the N6 yet. I'm waiting for 5.1 to be available only because I'd rather the OTA download and didn't want it to break root and have to spend a day playing with the phone to get it set up again. Yes, lazy too. My two cents:
There were a few articles back when 5.0 was being released saying how root for this OS would need to bypass much of the built-in security features with this OS version. I don't have a clue if it is true. If I decide to root, I'll go back and see if this is a real problem.
Why root? The exposed framework gives you nice features. Apps can have access to the phone os/hardware that is blocked, for example, you can get the notification LED to work, the battery statistics allow more access so you can see what app is killing your battery. There was one or two other apps I used that required root, can't recall now.
Its easy to say malware is a user problem, some of it is like careless sideloading. But I have no idea if a web page is loading something on my phone. Worse, if you look at the permissions you grant apps, you would load very few on your phone. I find the service providers , like T-Mobile (mine) and Verizion (Fios) to be the worst in asking for access to the phone data for no apparent reason. Does my app to see visual voicemail really need access to my microphone and camera or apps I have loaded on the phone? In my opinion this is spyware as you have no idea what is being uploaded to the app developer. Many of the apps in google play have questionable permission requirements.
That's actually another reason to root, the xposed xprivacy module (haven't used it). Or, using a DNS that will filter malware web site (I think you need root to change the DNS in Android). I'm not sure about the status of xposed on the nexus 6 so you have to read the threads. I don't know why you want to root, so you have to determine if it is worth the effort.
Simple answer is No.
if you're asking if you should root then you do not know what root is and the benefits to it. if you are happy with the phone and all the apps you have suit your needs, then stay as you are and do not download any dodgy apps from the play store
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Simple answer is No.
if you're asking if you should root then you do not know what root is and the benefits to it. if you are happy with the phone and all the apps you have suit your needs, then stay as you are and do not download any dodgy apps from the play store
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Couldn't agree more. If you have to ask, the answer is no.
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Simple answer is No.
if you're asking if you should root then you do not know what root is and the benefits to it.
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Terrible answer! Just because someone doesn't already know something is piss poor justification for telling them not to learn it.
If someone asked the forum if there were any benefits in C#, would you tell them not to bother learning to program, just keep buying Microsoft products?
FFS...
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Terrible answer! Just because someone doesn't already know something is piss poor justification for telling them not to learn it.
If someone asked the forum if there were any benefits in C#, would you tell them not to bother learning to program, just keep buying Microsoft products?
FFS...
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What a terrible response. is root a programming language?
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Terrible answer! Just because someone doesn't already know something is piss poor justification for telling them not to learn it.
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No, it is the best answer. He is not asking to learn it, he is askign us to make a decision as to whether he should root or not. If he knows the benefits of root, he should make teh decision himself based on the usecase. If he doesn't know the benefits, he should read a sticky thread that lists the benefits. If he doesnt know whether he should root, then he shouldnt because it is not something to um and ahh over.
Rooting in and of itself will have no effect on your getting infected with malware or not. It may affect the degree in which something can muck up your system, because if rooted, that program can get further into the OS than if you were not.
Now, that said, the real meat of it is that if you allow sideloading, that's the one that will let apps install from downloaded files, etc.
Ever notice where they say all the android handsets are getting infected? not here in the US anyways.
If you stick to known downloads and are not trying to get hacked apps, you won't have to worry.
I have to agree with RootSU here, his last paragraph sums it up nicely.
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What a terrible response. is root a programming language?
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Well, I can't resist using your own logic... If you don't know that root isn't a programming language, you shouldn't root. You probably shouldn't even reply to posts. Further, If you can't understand the example I provided, I'm not going to waste my time and explain it. You should just go read the stickies on the benefits of examples, or something. After all, you shouldn't um and ahh over this.
Facetiousness aside, if you read my example you'd see that I in no way called root a programming language. My entire point is that there are better ways to tell someone not to root. If your point to the OP is this: No, you shouldn't root because it can be dangerous, can brick your device, and that you really need to do your homework on it before you just go and do it, then tell them that! Don't condescend to them and/or future readers of the thread that not knowing it is reason enough not to do it ever. It's insulting. At least it is to me. It IS a discouragement, and in IMO, and in the spirit of XDA, we should try to point people in the right direction so they can learn and make them aware of the risks and benefits so they can make informed decisions. Sure, if it's already been covered, post a link to the thread or sticky. No need to rewrite it. But sending the message of "If you don't already know, abandon all hope now" is crap.
If you disagree with me, then I'll agree to disagree with you.
That's the last I'll say about this.
Peace
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Terrible answer! Just because someone doesn't already know something is piss poor justification for telling them not to learn it.
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I interpreted it to mean that learning more about root and what it might offer/require of a user is probably best before actually rooting and then deciding later on if that's what you really wanted to do. That is, being conservative here is probably not the worst suggestion.
- ooofest
So, after looking around the threads, I've noticed that it is apparently possible to root an S6A running the 5.02, which mine is, because I never bothered to update it. However, I only found bits and pieces of info, and am in need of a clear guide if possible. I am only a poweruser, and my programming knowledge is limited to gaming mods and one time when I made a batch file to use my printer as an alarm clock, so I need something I can understand as a lowly wannabe nerd. Anywho, I'd be very grateful to anyone who could help me out by explaining the process. Help me XDA-Developers, you're my only hope.
P.S. I'm not overly concerned with voiding a warranty or messing up Knox, I use a BlackBerry as my primary device and as such all my important junk is on it, so as long as I can de-bloat and use root apps, I'll be very happy.
P.P.S. I apologize in advance if I overlooked a good rooting guide, I looked around for a good ten minutes before posting this, but didn't see anything, however this may simply be due to my own ineptitude.
P.P.P.S. Also, my device doesn't have a SIM, I use it as wifi only, I don't know if that's important, but I thought I might should mention it.
Hello guys, this is my first post here. Im having a very hard time rooting my note 8. Im willing to pay to have someone walk me through rooting my note 8 via Discord, Skype .etc
Thank you guys much.
btw my note 8 is the USA version. N950U
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Hello guys, this is my first post here. Im having a very hard time rooting my note 8. Im willing to pay to have someone walk me through rooting my note 8 via Discord, Skype .etc
Thank you guys much.
btw my note 8 is the USA version. N950U
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Just take your time and read the instructions. Rooting it is very easy, just follow the directions. You'll be better off learning it instead of someone doing it for you the way you're wanting.
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Hello guys, this is my first post here. Im having a very hard time rooting my note 8. Im willing to pay to have someone walk me through rooting my note 8 via Discord, Skype .etc
Thank you guys much.
btw my note 8 is the USA version. N950U
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How much you willing to pay?
myechophone said:
How much you willing to pay?
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Three Million Dollars
If it is not clear with all available info/tutorials on Web, better not to root...
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Three Million Dollars
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2 camels , 3 chickens and a dozen eggs?
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Do not feel bad about the jokes, but as jammol says, take your time, do searches, learn how to, if you do not have any idea about root and everything related, it is pointless to root, even dangerous for your device, even people that have rooted many devices before are somewhat reluctant to root their note 8, incluing me, if you want to root, then get the necesary knowledge first, and then have fun rooting your device, good luck
I have been trying to figure it out on my own. I am very good with computers and custom build computers etc. But the files are different from all the tutorials I have seen. The files I download after extracting them are different than the ones in all the tutorials. So I basically need help and need someone that knows rooting to help me. And whoever said there is no point in rooting if u don't know how to root is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You can get apps on the app store that requires root access also I can get custom ROMs etc. So anyone that is willing to help me root my note 8 please comment below. BTW I'm willing to pay 10-20 dollars for someone to help me get my phone rooted.
I did not tell you that you did not know what root is, I was only trying to encourage you to investigate and learn how to do it, so, do not say I am dumb, by the way,I am not the lost one hereā¦ anyway, good luck with that attitude
Slight contradiction?
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I have been trying to figure it out on my own. I am very good with computers and custom build computers etc. But the files are different from all the tutorials I have seen. The files I download after extracting them are different than the ones in all the tutorials. So I basically need help and need someone that knows rooting to help me. And whoever said there is no point in rooting if u don't know how to root is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You can get apps on the app store that requires root access also I can get custom ROMs etc. So anyone that is willing to help me root my note 8 please comment below. BTW I'm willing to pay 10-20 dollars for someone to help me get my phone rooted.
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I might be going OT here, but dude seriously. If you're good with computers, you'd have this figured out too (According and to quote you: "This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard")
I sincerely encourage you to really read and if not, read again and again to root it yourself. It's not that difficult.
If the files don't add up, try again and look where you probably went wrong.
We're here to help man, but at least try once more by yourself, for yourself. This time, cooled down and chill.
I don't see the point of rooting right now, the snapdragon model doesn't have any major roms worth switching to right now.. And I don't see why you would use anything else that needs root, simple things like adblock and such don't need root. Infact, I'm positive anything you want root for I could do without root.
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I might be going OT here, but dude seriously. If you're good with computers, you'd have this figured out too (According and to quote you: "This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard")
I sincerely encourage you to really read and if not, read again and again to root it yourself. It's not that difficult.
If the files don't add up, try again and look where you probably went wrong.
We're here to help man, but at least try once more by yourself, for yourself. This time, cooled down and chill.
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LOL I am pretty decent with computers. Never used .Tar files. And have never rooted a phone. I just came from IOS to Android and am asking for someone to help guide me through rooting my phone. Is that too much to ask for? Im even offering 20 dollars to someone that does so. The reason i am asking for help is because in Obin when I click on AP to open the System files there is no .Tar file. And ive Extracted the file several times and downloaded the file over and over trying to get different results and even tried several different tutorials. So for everyone to tell me to just keep reading and educating myself on rooting is not what im asking for. Im not asking for Mentors. lol Im asking for someone to help me root my phone because i have having problems with the files etc. If the files were the same as the tutorials then i would of had my phone rooted 2 weeks ago. Ive been trying to figure this out for 2 weeks now and have found no solution. Now back to my post. If you are here to just write "Dude we are trying to help you but just do more research and figure it out on your own" then please dont write anything. Im needing someone that is expert in rooting Androids and can help me. Im not trying to become a expert at rooting android phones. Im wanting to root my phone so i can download the rooted only apps in the app store and maybe down the road put stock android on my note 8 if posible. But thats for me to decide. ALL I NEED IS HELP TO ROOT MY NOTE 8. if you dont know how to root and don't want to help me and just tell me to do more research then please don't post at all, thank you.
earl115 said:
Hello guys, this is my first post here. Im having a very hard time rooting my note 8. Im willing to pay to have someone walk me through rooting my note 8 via Discord, Skype .etc
Thank you guys much.
btw my note 8 is the USA version. N950U
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Post the specific questions that are tripping you up in the root threads, and people can help you catchup. It's not as hard as it seems and if you're good at computers it shouldn't take long. Paying for root makes sense at first but is a recipe for disappointment in my opinion. Friendly suggestion
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Post the specific questions that are tripping you up in the root threads, and people can help you catchup. It's not as hard as it seems and if you're good at computers it shouldn't take long. Paying for root makes sense at first but is a recipe for disappointment in my opinion. Friendly suggestion
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Yes, i might just proceed with doing that. The problem is I am leaving for work 2maro morning and don't have time to trial and error rooting my phone and I restored my phone to root it so I want to root it before i leave 2maro so i can download all my apps etc and don't have to restore again and lose everything again. That's why I just need someone to run me through it as I don't have much time.
Here you go -
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-8/development/root-samfail-galaxy-note8-t3685340
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LOL I am pretty decent with computers. Never used .Tar files. And have never rooted a phone. I just came from IOS to Android and am asking for someone to help guide me through rooting my phone. Is that too much to ask for? Im even offering 20 dollars to someone that does so. The reason i am asking for help is because in Obin when I click on AP to open the System files there is no .Tar file. And ive Extracted the file several times and downloaded the file over and over trying to get different results and even tried several different tutorials. So for everyone to tell me to just keep reading and educating myself on rooting is not what im asking for. Im not asking for Mentors. lol Im asking for someone to help me root my phone because i have having problems with the files etc. If the files were the same as the tutorials then i would of had my phone rooted 2 weeks ago. Ive been trying to figure this out for 2 weeks now and have found no solution. Now back to my post. If you are here to just write "Dude we are trying to help you but just do more research and figure it out on your own" then please dont write anything. Im needing someone that is expert in rooting Androids and can help me. Im not trying to become a expert at rooting android phones. Im wanting to root my phone so i can download the rooted only apps in the app store and maybe down the road put stock android on my note 8 if posible. But thats for me to decide. ALL I NEED IS HELP TO ROOT MY NOTE 8. if you dont know how to root and don't want to help me and just tell me to do more research then please don't post at all, thank you.
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Please share one good reason why you want to root the pho ne apart from fun and bragging. I am serious. Also please share what steps you have taken, with screen shots if posdibl e of where you are stuck.
Else you will get no help
earl115 said:
...if the files were the same as the tutorials...
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That's new...
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earl115 said:
LOL I am pretty decent with computers. Never used .Tar files. And have never rooted a phone. I just came from IOS to Android and am asking for someone to help guide me through rooting my phone. Is that too much to ask for? Im even offering 20 dollars to someone that does so. The reason i am asking for help is because in Obin when I click on AP to open the System files there is no .Tar file. And ive Extracted the file several times and downloaded the file over and over trying to get different results and even tried several different tutorials. So for everyone to tell me to just keep reading and educating myself on rooting is not what im asking for. Im not asking for Mentors. lol Im asking for someone to help me root my phone because i have having problems with the files etc. If the files were the same as the tutorials then i would of had my phone rooted 2 weeks ago. Ive been trying to figure this out for 2 weeks now and have found no solution. Now back to my post. If you are here to just write "Dude we are trying to help you but just do more research and figure it out on your own" then please dont write anything. Im needing someone that is expert in rooting Androids and can help me. Im not trying to become a expert at rooting android phones. Im wanting to root my phone so i can download the rooted only apps in the app store and maybe down the road put stock android on my note 8 if posible. But thats for me to decide. ALL I NEED IS HELP TO ROOT MY NOTE 8. if you dont know how to root and don't want to help me and just tell me to do more research then please don't post at all, thank you.
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Dude, your 20 bucks offer doesn't matter because that's irrelevant. Xda been about customizing and learning -yourself-.
I rooted my S4 back in the days in a few minutes, if you'd read a few CF-Auto-Root threads you'll understand how dead simple rooting CAN be and you'd understand Odin/ how to place files. I encourage you to read through one and just understand how the process worked back then.
Beware: You WILL NOT trip knox, but since it's a SYSTEM ROOT you CAN'T use Magisk. No systemless-root. Banking apps will/ can fail.
The main thread already contains very simple instructions. If those aren't comprehensive, not sure who can help you further. (Select V2.5 files if you're on the LATEST firmware /recently updated to December or January patch)
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-8/development/root-samfail-galaxy-note8-t3685340
Else if that really doesn't work, hit me up on Telegram. I'll try and walk you through: saadatbaig
Straight up....u shouldn't root. First U don't even know what u want it for. Second u need to do it yourself, which means reading, and reading and rereading that whole samfail thread, having all the files and backup files and being very prepared to get yourself out of trouble so you're not out of a phone for a couple days scrambling for help. and if someone helped you, you'll just be asking for help again when there's an update and you have to unroot update and root again. It's best to learn yourself and be prepared so you can get yourself out of a jam. I am a 11 yr xda member, and this is the first android phone in the last 8 yrs that I haven't rooted. Why well, not really a need to or want to root unless the bootloader gets unlocked to flash custom kernels and roms and get rid of the 80% charge limit. Which I believe is NOT going to happen ever with the n8. I for one am glad this root is a bit more difficult than the last 5+ yrs or so cause it separates the boys from the men with rooting. Too many lil brats brick a new device and run to insurance to save them cause they want to skip steps, not put in the time to be prepared for trouble and READ. One click root is Bull**** and shouldn't be allowed because simply too many people don't know what they are getting into...... Especially if they are coming from an iPhone?
I'm really not trying to sound like a ****. It's just that, I would never root someone else's phone and not be around that person. There is upkeep. I use to get my cousin's upgrades and give him my phone so I could upgrade every yr. Opposite yearly upgrade of me. I gave him a rooted/romed phone from the previous yr , but I would keep up with his and mine and do his rom and upgrade mods and troubleshoot it...? I like to push every phone to it's limit of what the chip can handle. Sometimes it was a lot, spending 5 hrs setting up a phone pushing the chip with overclocking, other mods, undervolting and having to wipe and redo everything over and over cause of bootloops. Not so much upkeep now though with the n8. If the bootloader gets unlocked, well awesome, and I'm down to flash away. But if it doesn't, oh well. I'm fine with the freezing apps, Samsung theme store plus other apk theme files floating around xda, poweramp with high res through aux, and using helium as a backup.
Anyways good luck and welcome to xda
Well said, rooting is something you must do by yourself
I've had the note8 for about 3 months-ish. It's been great, only thing is I am getting SICK of having no control over which apps are doing what in background, (stock stuff spying/sending data home etc).
I was just pushed the oreo update from my carrier and it looks like its slightly slower now, guess this is all part of the planned obsolescence to get us to buy new phones.
The questions for the experts here :
-How difficult/dangerous is it to root note8 with knox, and have it come out successful?
-How do you possibly find a trustworthy rom that wont be loaded with viruses/rootkits
-Is there a gold standard guide out there for security on rooted note8's (how to setup firewalls/ iptables. with knox in the equation)
I dont want to overload this post with stuff when I'm the one holding my hat out here for advice. I've googled for weeks, can't seem to find any straight answer. No one seems to have any solid hands on experience with this (rooting/knox/security). I just know that the note8 with all the knox parts makes it different from any other phone ive had.
THANK YOU.
I suppose I should also mention that I am looking for something that will be the most secure/offer the most flexibility in maintaining privacy.
Ideally I would love something that just has a homescreen that shows all network data events/history. Probably doesnt exist, but thats my mindset about all this.
If you want security and the ability to stop stuff running in the background (slowing down your phone and using your battery), you don't want to root.
Just install one of these apps:
1. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pdp.singleplay
or
2. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kunkunsoft.packagedisabler
They allow you to disable apps you don't want or use (e.g. facebook). I use the first one. I know they are paid apps but they are worth the money.
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If you want security and the ability to stop stuff running in the background (slowing down your phone and using your battery), you don't want to root.
Just install one of these apps:
1. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pdp.singleplay
or
2. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kunkunsoft.packagedisabler
They allow you to disable apps you don't want or use (e.g. facebook). I use the first one. I know they are paid apps but they are worth the money.
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Yea, I have heard of those. But I guess whenever I see a solution that involves me paying some person I dont know for them to put code on my phone, I always prefer to go the learn it myself route. Which is why I guess I am asking for some advice on rooting, I can handle doing it myself, I'm not entirely un-tech savvy. Just had a few general questions about rom/knox issues.
Also thank you!
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-How difficult/dangerous is it to root note8 with knox, and have it come out successful?
-How do you possibly find a trustworthy rom that wont be loaded with viruses/rootkits
-Is there a gold standard guide out there for security on rooted note8's (how to setup firewalls/ iptables. with knox in the equation.
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It's pretty straightforward to root, just read through the root threads and make sure you're familiar with all the steps.
I have never downloaded a rom from here with viruses and rootkits. Look at user feedback and install a virus scanner on your phone if concerned. For official firmware, try SamFirm or Sammobile.
You can use apps like AFWall+ from the Play Store but root is required for it to work. I don't know what you mean by "with Knox in the equation" though. Knox is something else entirely.
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It's pretty straightforward to root, just read through the root threads and make sure you're familiar with all the steps.
I have never downloaded a rom from here with viruses and rootkits. Look at user feedback and install a virus scanner on your phone if concerned. For official firmware, try SamFirm or Sammobile.
You can use apps like AFWall+ from the Play Store but root is required for it to work. I don't know what you mean by "with Knox in the equation" though. It's something else entirely.
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Yep, pretty familiar with finding roms/installing them (still weary of anything free, rootkits can be hidden anywhere these days). Only reason I specifically made a thread this time around is due to the knox security portion of the note8. I've heard it can complicate things when rooting note8, and I was unable to find much info from people on it (especially with recent version releases)
but thank you!
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Yep, pretty familiar with finding roms/installing them (still weary of anything free, rootkits can be hidden anywhere these days). Only reason I specifically made a thread this time around is due to the knox security portion of the note8. I've heard it can complicate things when rooting note8, and I was unable to find much info from people on it (especially with recent version releases)
but thank you!
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What model do you have? Rooting on Exynos with custom recovery will trip Knox counter and stop samsung pay/secure pass from working ever again. Most Snapdragon models have locked bootloaders though, and their root method doesn't affect Knox if I recall correctly (see SamFail thread though for that last one).
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Yea, I have heard of those. But I guess whenever I see a solution that involves me paying some person I dont know for them to put code on my phone, I always prefer to go the learn it myself route. Which is why I guess I am asking for some advice on rooting, I can handle doing it myself, I'm not entirely un-tech savvy. Just had a few general questions about rom/knox issues.
Also thank you!
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Do what you're happy doing.
Just one thing. Your logic is fatally flawed. You say you won't pay someone to provide a solution unless you have researched it first but you will however sacrifice security by rooting for free but you haven't researched it.
Your questions are all answered in this forum, you just need to use the search function. No need to create another 'how do I root and what are the advantages/disadvantages' thread.
Good luck.
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Do what you're happy doing.
Just one thing. Your logic is fatally flawed. You say you won't pay someone to provide a solution unless you have researched it first but you will however sacrifice security by rooting for free but you haven't researched it.
Your questions are all answered in this forum, you just need to use the search function. No need to create another 'how do I root and what are the advantages/disadvantages' thread.
Good luck.
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Thanks for your reply, however practice makes perfect - can't get good at anything until you try.
As for searching this forum, maybe I should have been more specific when i said I googled. That meant I searched everywhere I knew of (including here) for any specific knox related rooting guides for the current note8 OS release. And since it just rolled out few days prior, I haven't found many first hand accounts/spoken to anyone who has attempted it. I will also add that i was hoping to hear some opinions about something that is specifically tailored to security/privacy. I guess I thought that was unique enough/not previously posted to warrant my own thread. But as you stated, perhaps my thinking is flawed.
Thank you!
The thing is, if you are so concerned about security issues, do not use ANY google related service/software, there you voluntarily give tons of pieces of info, but that includes amdroid itself, as it relies on google play services, as I see it, your best option for not having anything suspicious installed in your device is a plain feature phone, and a computer with the best protection you can buy/get
winol said:
The thing is, if you are so concerned about security issues, do not use ANY google related service/software, there you voluntarily give tons of pieces of info, but that includes amdroid itself, as it relies on google play services, as I see it, your best option for not having anything suspicious installed in your device is a plain feature phone, and a computer with the best protection you can buy/get
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Yes, you couldn't be more right about that.
Unfortunately google and my work have not fully separated and probably wont anytime soon. Main reason i was wanting to root was to have some sort of control over my firewall/setup some iptables to limit the amount of trackers/bugs phoning home.
Rooting is the exact opposite to safety, that is why unbranded/generic/fake/etc are sold with root access out of the box, no restrictions whatsoever for anything
cricketpaddleinmyhand said:
Thanks for your reply, however practice makes perfect - can't get good at anything until you try.
As for searching this forum, maybe I should have been more specific when i said I googled. That meant I searched everywhere I knew of (including here) for any specific knox related rooting guides for the current note8 OS release. And since it just rolled out few days prior, I haven't found many first hand accounts/spoken to anyone who has attempted it. I will also add that i was hoping to hear some opinions about something that is specifically tailored to security/privacy. I guess I thought that was unique enough/not previously posted to warrant my own thread. But as you stated, perhaps my thinking is flawed.
Thank you!
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I'm not sure what you mean by "Knox-related rooting guides". That may be part of the confusion and why you can't find what you're looking for. You root the phone/OS, not Knox.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "Knox-related rooting guides". That may be part of the confusion and why you can't find what you're looking for. You root the phone/OS, not Knox.
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Yea, it is confusing I know. Apparently I have heard that the knox feature can cause issues , especially if you already updated .
Botched this thread pretty good lmao, everyone is totally lost. (me included)
meh, don worry about it. ill just let the thread hang, see if anyone can see what im trying to explain somewhat terribly
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Rooting is the exact opposite to safety
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Well, I would somewhat agree with you there. But, I guess Im just sick of having no way to set my own firewall rules/ have control over my ports.
Title says all. i REALLY need to use the spay or atleast get past "Rooting detected. Use another payment method" also, if i went back to stock rom, will spay work or is it gone forever ?
Chappi3 said:
Title says all. i REALLY need to use the spay or atleast get past "Rooting detected. Use another payment method" also, if i went back to stock rom, will spay work or is it gone forever ?
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Search, this question has been asked and answered 100's of time so search before posting.
To answer your question its gone forever, you obviously did not do your research before rooting, people get sick of answering these sorts of questions when they have been asked and answered before because people do not do a search first..
Even going back to stock it will not work.
Cheers
samorgs said:
Search, this question has been asked and answered 100's of time so search before posting.
To answer your question its gone forever, you obviously did not do your research before rooting, people get sick of answering these sorts of questions when they have been asked and answered before because people do not do a search first..
Even going back to stock it will not work.
Cheers
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your answer is incorrect and then you went on to chastise a member for not researching. SPay has worked for folks who have rooted via Magisk modules. There is also work going on in the S10 forum about making it work more easily.
Ive personally used SPay on my Gear S3 thru a rooted phone, which was also supposed to be impossible due to tripping knox. Just to put your idea down before it even pops up, the watches knox wasnt tripped which is what non-believers used as their scapegoat justifying why it worked. SPay doesnt live on the watch, it lives on the phone. Which was VERY rooted and knox tripped.
Dont chastise members for "not researching before asking" when you cant even give accurate information in your scathing replies
Also, you had better get used to the idea that more and more repetitive questions are going to get asked because more and more people now have smartphones than ever before. And they arent forum veterans like some of us. Also also, the search results are usually quite swampy, so sometimes asking a question that has indeed been asked tons of times before is necessary to avoid 4 hours of reading to get an answer that could have been resolved in 15 min
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Chappi3 said:
Title says all. i REALLY need to use the spay or atleast get past "Rooting detected. Use another payment method" also, if i went back to stock rom, will spay work or is it gone forever ?
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going back to stock wont fix it. Check into the Magisk developments as they have had some success masking root. Do you use it on the phone or do you have a watch?
samorgs said:
Search, this question has been asked and answered 100's of time so search before posting.
To answer your question its gone forever, you obviously did not do your research before rooting, people get sick of answering these sorts of questions when they have been asked and answered before because people do not do a search first..
Even going back to stock it will not work.
Cheers
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Instead of being a dickhead for no reason, simply answer the question, you got sick of answering ? then dont answer and just move on. people already can use spay thru their sgear but i dont have one. i've searched alot before posting this and haven't found an up-to-date thread about this.
youdoofus said:
your answer is incorrect and then you went on to chastise a member for not researching. SPay has worked for folks who have rooted via Magisk modules. There is also work going on in the S10 forum about making it work more easily.
Ive personally used SPay on my Gear S3 thru a rooted phone, which was also supposed to be impossible due to tripping knox. Just to put your idea down before it even pops up, the watches knox wasnt tripped which is what non-believers used as their scapegoat justifying why it worked. SPay doesnt live on the watch, it lives on the phone. Which was VERY rooted and knox tripped.
Dont chastise members for "not researching before asking" when you cant even give accurate information in your scathing replies
Also, you had better get used to the idea that more and more repetitive questions are going to get asked because more and more people now have smartphones than ever before. And they arent forum veterans like some of us. Also also, the search results are usually quite swampy, so sometimes asking a question that has indeed been asked tons of times before is necessary to avoid 4 hours of reading to get an answer that could have been resolved in 15 min
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going back to stock wont fix it. Check into the Magisk developments as they have had some success masking root. Do you use it on the phone or do you have a watch?
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THANK YOU so much for your detailed answer, i was just lookin' for good answer like yours but couldn't, is there anyway to use the spay without the gear ? i've rooted my phone and have Magisk installed everything works fine but not the spay when i try to purchase something off the galaxy store. is there a way to fix that or hide something inside the magisk that gives me access to purchasing via spay ?
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THANK YOU so much for your detailed answer, i was just lookin' for good answer like yours but couldn't, is there anyway to use the spay without the gear ? i've rooted my phone and have Magisk installed everything works fine but not the spay when i try to purchase something off the galaxy store. is there a way to fix that or hide something inside the magisk that gives me access to purchasing via spay ?
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i would have to go poke around in the S10 forum to find it. But thats one thing ive learned over the decade or so that ive been on XDA, especially as of late with mfg's releasing new phones every 5.25 days. If the subforum youre diving into isnt of much or any help, i guarantee you that there are other subforums that very well might have the conversation youre looking for already going. And very especially when talking about the new blood Samsung phones. They are all SUPER similar these days and the devs are spread out across 73 different device subforums. Dont be afraid to look in subforums of phones similar to yours for stuff.
ill see if i can find that thread for ya, but i completely disregarded it as i dont plan on rooting any time soon due to the finagling you hafta do to get SPay working again.
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your answer is incorrect and then you went on to chastise a member for not researching. SPay has worked for folks who have rooted via Magisk modules. There is also work going on in the S10 forum about making it work more easily.
Ive personally used SPay on my Gear S3 thru a rooted phone, which was also supposed to be impossible due to tripping knox. Just to put your idea down before it even pops up, the watches knox wasnt tripped which is what non-believers used as their scapegoat justifying why it worked. SPay doesnt live on the watch, it lives on the phone. Which was VERY rooted and knox tripped.
Dont chastise members for "not researching before asking" when you cant even give accurate information in your scathing replies
Also, you had better get used to the idea that more and more repetitive questions are going to get asked because more and more people now have smartphones than ever before. And they arent forum veterans like some of us. Also also, the search results are usually quite swampy, so sometimes asking a question that has indeed been asked tons of times before is necessary to avoid 4 hours of reading to get an answer that could have been resolved in 15 min
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going back to stock wont fix it. Check into the Magisk developments as they have had some success masking root. Do you use it on the phone or do you have a watch?
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spay on the actual phone itself?
i think not.
please enlighten us because saying it works without proof or a means to do so is just as bad.
bober10113 said:
spay on the actual phone itself?
i think not.
please enlighten us because saying it works without proof or a means to do so is just as bad.
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all i can say is that there are people in other forums who state that they have had success with it. SPay isnt relegated to the note. The issue youre experiencing is caused by there being a TON more than just last years irrelevant galaxy phones. There used to be 1 a year, then 2 with the addition of the note series. Back then it wasnt hard to keep all the relevant information on one page and everybody with a sammy phone was in the same group. Not anymore.
Think what you like, but when it comes right down to it, the e-fuse is merely a software controller. There isnt anything that the e-fuse physically interrupts to stop SPay or anything else for that matter. Its all coding. Coding that CAN be circumvented. SPay being broken by knox being tripped is a 2 year old problem, the minds that the old galaxy devices used to have laser focused on one device are now scattered to the wind, but that doesnt mean that the answer isnt out there.
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all i can say is that there are people in other forums who state that they have had success with it. SPay isnt relegated to the note. The issue youre experiencing is caused by there being a TON more than just last years irrelevant galaxy phones. There used to be 1 a year, then 2 with the addition of the note series. Back then it wasnt hard to keep all the relevant information on one page and everybody with a sammy phone was in the same group. Not anymore.
Think what you like, but when it comes right down to it, the e-fuse is merely a software controller. There isnt anything that the e-fuse physically interrupts to stop SPay or anything else for that matter. Its all coding. Coding that CAN be circumvented. SPay being broken by knox being tripped is a 2 year old problem, the minds that the old galaxy devices used to have laser focused on one device are now scattered to the wind, but that doesnt mean that the answer isnt out there.
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please take a few minutes to point where we can find information on using samsung pay on rooted/knox tripped device.spay for the phone not the watch.( s8,s8+,s9,s9+,note8,note9,s10,s10+,s10+5g,n10,n10+,n10+5g)
you've stated your opinion. now i need to see where this information of yours comes from.( aka show proof.)
regards
bober10113 said:
please take a few minutes to point where we can find information on using samsung pay on rooted/knox tripped device.spay for the phone not the watch.( s8,s8+,s9,s9+,note8,note9,s10,s10+,s10+5g,n10,n10+,n10+5g)
you've stated your opinion. now i need to see where this information of yours comes from.( aka show proof.)
regards
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i pop around so much between pages that it would be virtually impossible to find it again and honestly it isnt worth my time. its just like everyone has always said, research before you post. at this point, just go ahead with your thought that nobody has figured out a way to get around the knox issue and probably arent wanting the fix to spread like wildfire which would alert samsung to the vulnerability and patch it. youre right, im wrong. technically not true, but if it makes you feel better, fine....
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i pop around so much between pages that it would be virtually impossible to find it again and honestly it isnt worth my time. its just like everyone has always said, research before you post. at this point, just go ahead with your thought that nobody has figured out a way to get around the knox issue and probably arent wanting the fix to spread like wildfire which would alert samsung to the vulnerability and patch it. youre right, im wrong. technically not true, but if it makes you feel better, fine....
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i think ure mixing up google pay and samsung pay.
if something as groundbreaking as having spay work as mentionned, even with you popping up everywhere, a simple search would make it also "pop up" as well in the results.
annnyways... talk about the blind leading the blind.
OP is not much more better off by you than by the user you chastised about chastising.
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i think ure mixing up google pay and samsung pay.
if something as groundbreaking as having spay work as mentionned, even with you popping up everywhere, a simple search would make it also "pop up" as well in the results.
annnyways... talk about the blind leading the blind.
OP is not much more better off by you than by the user you chastised about chastising.
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nope. the posts i refer to specifically spoke to g-pay not being much of a problem to get working with root. It even went into the process of pulling the SPay app from the firmware and adb installing it after root is done and magisk has hidden root. Im not going to argue about this anymore as your opinion of me doesnt concern me in the slightest. The OP might find the solution with patience and perseverance as some have reported success with it and it is still definitely being worked on. SHealth has been made to work with root and SPay likely uses a similar code to disable it when it detects root. Devs arent dumb. Devs also know that once samsung knows of a security hole, they do the opposite of Sony and patch it. It wouldnt even begin to shock me if the posts got pulled to prevent this from happening to those who figured it out. Im not sure how long youve been arounf xda, but entire threads just disappear from time to time. Mods arent dumb either, they know a lucky penny when they turn up and getting something to sneak by knox is about as lucky of a penny as there even possibly could be.
Like i said, youre right man. Nobody has figured it out. Nobody will. SPay and SHealth are lost causes.
Oh, and for the op not being any better off with any of my comments vs being chastised, whenever i see a$$holes talking down to people for no conceivable reason whatsoever, they will hear about it from me