Title says all. i REALLY need to use the spay or atleast get past "Rooting detected. Use another payment method" also, if i went back to stock rom, will spay work or is it gone forever ?
Chappi3 said:
Title says all. i REALLY need to use the spay or atleast get past "Rooting detected. Use another payment method" also, if i went back to stock rom, will spay work or is it gone forever ?
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Search, this question has been asked and answered 100's of time so search before posting.
To answer your question its gone forever, you obviously did not do your research before rooting, people get sick of answering these sorts of questions when they have been asked and answered before because people do not do a search first..
Even going back to stock it will not work.
Cheers
samorgs said:
Search, this question has been asked and answered 100's of time so search before posting.
To answer your question its gone forever, you obviously did not do your research before rooting, people get sick of answering these sorts of questions when they have been asked and answered before because people do not do a search first..
Even going back to stock it will not work.
Cheers
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your answer is incorrect and then you went on to chastise a member for not researching. SPay has worked for folks who have rooted via Magisk modules. There is also work going on in the S10 forum about making it work more easily.
Ive personally used SPay on my Gear S3 thru a rooted phone, which was also supposed to be impossible due to tripping knox. Just to put your idea down before it even pops up, the watches knox wasnt tripped which is what non-believers used as their scapegoat justifying why it worked. SPay doesnt live on the watch, it lives on the phone. Which was VERY rooted and knox tripped.
Dont chastise members for "not researching before asking" when you cant even give accurate information in your scathing replies
Also, you had better get used to the idea that more and more repetitive questions are going to get asked because more and more people now have smartphones than ever before. And they arent forum veterans like some of us. Also also, the search results are usually quite swampy, so sometimes asking a question that has indeed been asked tons of times before is necessary to avoid 4 hours of reading to get an answer that could have been resolved in 15 min
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Chappi3 said:
Title says all. i REALLY need to use the spay or atleast get past "Rooting detected. Use another payment method" also, if i went back to stock rom, will spay work or is it gone forever ?
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going back to stock wont fix it. Check into the Magisk developments as they have had some success masking root. Do you use it on the phone or do you have a watch?
samorgs said:
Search, this question has been asked and answered 100's of time so search before posting.
To answer your question its gone forever, you obviously did not do your research before rooting, people get sick of answering these sorts of questions when they have been asked and answered before because people do not do a search first..
Even going back to stock it will not work.
Cheers
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Instead of being a dickhead for no reason, simply answer the question, you got sick of answering ? then dont answer and just move on. people already can use spay thru their sgear but i dont have one. i've searched alot before posting this and haven't found an up-to-date thread about this.
youdoofus said:
your answer is incorrect and then you went on to chastise a member for not researching. SPay has worked for folks who have rooted via Magisk modules. There is also work going on in the S10 forum about making it work more easily.
Ive personally used SPay on my Gear S3 thru a rooted phone, which was also supposed to be impossible due to tripping knox. Just to put your idea down before it even pops up, the watches knox wasnt tripped which is what non-believers used as their scapegoat justifying why it worked. SPay doesnt live on the watch, it lives on the phone. Which was VERY rooted and knox tripped.
Dont chastise members for "not researching before asking" when you cant even give accurate information in your scathing replies
Also, you had better get used to the idea that more and more repetitive questions are going to get asked because more and more people now have smartphones than ever before. And they arent forum veterans like some of us. Also also, the search results are usually quite swampy, so sometimes asking a question that has indeed been asked tons of times before is necessary to avoid 4 hours of reading to get an answer that could have been resolved in 15 min
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going back to stock wont fix it. Check into the Magisk developments as they have had some success masking root. Do you use it on the phone or do you have a watch?
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THANK YOU so much for your detailed answer, i was just lookin' for good answer like yours but couldn't, is there anyway to use the spay without the gear ? i've rooted my phone and have Magisk installed everything works fine but not the spay when i try to purchase something off the galaxy store. is there a way to fix that or hide something inside the magisk that gives me access to purchasing via spay ?
Chappi3 said:
THANK YOU so much for your detailed answer, i was just lookin' for good answer like yours but couldn't, is there anyway to use the spay without the gear ? i've rooted my phone and have Magisk installed everything works fine but not the spay when i try to purchase something off the galaxy store. is there a way to fix that or hide something inside the magisk that gives me access to purchasing via spay ?
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i would have to go poke around in the S10 forum to find it. But thats one thing ive learned over the decade or so that ive been on XDA, especially as of late with mfg's releasing new phones every 5.25 days. If the subforum youre diving into isnt of much or any help, i guarantee you that there are other subforums that very well might have the conversation youre looking for already going. And very especially when talking about the new blood Samsung phones. They are all SUPER similar these days and the devs are spread out across 73 different device subforums. Dont be afraid to look in subforums of phones similar to yours for stuff.
ill see if i can find that thread for ya, but i completely disregarded it as i dont plan on rooting any time soon due to the finagling you hafta do to get SPay working again.
youdoofus said:
your answer is incorrect and then you went on to chastise a member for not researching. SPay has worked for folks who have rooted via Magisk modules. There is also work going on in the S10 forum about making it work more easily.
Ive personally used SPay on my Gear S3 thru a rooted phone, which was also supposed to be impossible due to tripping knox. Just to put your idea down before it even pops up, the watches knox wasnt tripped which is what non-believers used as their scapegoat justifying why it worked. SPay doesnt live on the watch, it lives on the phone. Which was VERY rooted and knox tripped.
Dont chastise members for "not researching before asking" when you cant even give accurate information in your scathing replies
Also, you had better get used to the idea that more and more repetitive questions are going to get asked because more and more people now have smartphones than ever before. And they arent forum veterans like some of us. Also also, the search results are usually quite swampy, so sometimes asking a question that has indeed been asked tons of times before is necessary to avoid 4 hours of reading to get an answer that could have been resolved in 15 min
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going back to stock wont fix it. Check into the Magisk developments as they have had some success masking root. Do you use it on the phone or do you have a watch?
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spay on the actual phone itself?
i think not.
please enlighten us because saying it works without proof or a means to do so is just as bad.
bober10113 said:
spay on the actual phone itself?
i think not.
please enlighten us because saying it works without proof or a means to do so is just as bad.
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all i can say is that there are people in other forums who state that they have had success with it. SPay isnt relegated to the note. The issue youre experiencing is caused by there being a TON more than just last years irrelevant galaxy phones. There used to be 1 a year, then 2 with the addition of the note series. Back then it wasnt hard to keep all the relevant information on one page and everybody with a sammy phone was in the same group. Not anymore.
Think what you like, but when it comes right down to it, the e-fuse is merely a software controller. There isnt anything that the e-fuse physically interrupts to stop SPay or anything else for that matter. Its all coding. Coding that CAN be circumvented. SPay being broken by knox being tripped is a 2 year old problem, the minds that the old galaxy devices used to have laser focused on one device are now scattered to the wind, but that doesnt mean that the answer isnt out there.
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all i can say is that there are people in other forums who state that they have had success with it. SPay isnt relegated to the note. The issue youre experiencing is caused by there being a TON more than just last years irrelevant galaxy phones. There used to be 1 a year, then 2 with the addition of the note series. Back then it wasnt hard to keep all the relevant information on one page and everybody with a sammy phone was in the same group. Not anymore.
Think what you like, but when it comes right down to it, the e-fuse is merely a software controller. There isnt anything that the e-fuse physically interrupts to stop SPay or anything else for that matter. Its all coding. Coding that CAN be circumvented. SPay being broken by knox being tripped is a 2 year old problem, the minds that the old galaxy devices used to have laser focused on one device are now scattered to the wind, but that doesnt mean that the answer isnt out there.
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please take a few minutes to point where we can find information on using samsung pay on rooted/knox tripped device.spay for the phone not the watch.( s8,s8+,s9,s9+,note8,note9,s10,s10+,s10+5g,n10,n10+,n10+5g)
you've stated your opinion. now i need to see where this information of yours comes from.( aka show proof.)
regards
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please take a few minutes to point where we can find information on using samsung pay on rooted/knox tripped device.spay for the phone not the watch.( s8,s8+,s9,s9+,note8,note9,s10,s10+,s10+5g,n10,n10+,n10+5g)
you've stated your opinion. now i need to see where this information of yours comes from.( aka show proof.)
regards
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i pop around so much between pages that it would be virtually impossible to find it again and honestly it isnt worth my time. its just like everyone has always said, research before you post. at this point, just go ahead with your thought that nobody has figured out a way to get around the knox issue and probably arent wanting the fix to spread like wildfire which would alert samsung to the vulnerability and patch it. youre right, im wrong. technically not true, but if it makes you feel better, fine....
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i pop around so much between pages that it would be virtually impossible to find it again and honestly it isnt worth my time. its just like everyone has always said, research before you post. at this point, just go ahead with your thought that nobody has figured out a way to get around the knox issue and probably arent wanting the fix to spread like wildfire which would alert samsung to the vulnerability and patch it. youre right, im wrong. technically not true, but if it makes you feel better, fine....
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i think ure mixing up google pay and samsung pay.
if something as groundbreaking as having spay work as mentionned, even with you popping up everywhere, a simple search would make it also "pop up" as well in the results.
annnyways... talk about the blind leading the blind.
OP is not much more better off by you than by the user you chastised about chastising.
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i think ure mixing up google pay and samsung pay.
if something as groundbreaking as having spay work as mentionned, even with you popping up everywhere, a simple search would make it also "pop up" as well in the results.
annnyways... talk about the blind leading the blind.
OP is not much more better off by you than by the user you chastised about chastising.
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nope. the posts i refer to specifically spoke to g-pay not being much of a problem to get working with root. It even went into the process of pulling the SPay app from the firmware and adb installing it after root is done and magisk has hidden root. Im not going to argue about this anymore as your opinion of me doesnt concern me in the slightest. The OP might find the solution with patience and perseverance as some have reported success with it and it is still definitely being worked on. SHealth has been made to work with root and SPay likely uses a similar code to disable it when it detects root. Devs arent dumb. Devs also know that once samsung knows of a security hole, they do the opposite of Sony and patch it. It wouldnt even begin to shock me if the posts got pulled to prevent this from happening to those who figured it out. Im not sure how long youve been arounf xda, but entire threads just disappear from time to time. Mods arent dumb either, they know a lucky penny when they turn up and getting something to sneak by knox is about as lucky of a penny as there even possibly could be.
Like i said, youre right man. Nobody has figured it out. Nobody will. SPay and SHealth are lost causes.
Oh, and for the op not being any better off with any of my comments vs being chastised, whenever i see a$$holes talking down to people for no conceivable reason whatsoever, they will hear about it from me
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I rooted my phone using Kingo. It has been perfect. It appears to be totally fine. I get up this morning and find the below comment and closed thread. Do we need to undo root and flash back to stock? Someone please help with this situation. I'm sure a bunch of people did this and would like to know what we should do now. Thanks Devs.
Kingo and vroot have been determined to be malware and unsafe for use, as such all threads will be closed and links removed.
Thank you
LuckyColdJohnson said:
I rooted my phone using Kingo. It has been perfect. It appears to be totally fine. I get up this morning and find the below comment and closed thread. Do we need to undo root and flash back to stock? Someone please help with this situation. I'm sure a bunch of people did this and would like to know what we should do now. Thanks Devs.
Kingo and vroot have been determined to be malware and unsafe for use, as such all threads will be closed and links removed.
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This thread would be more helpful if it had an informative subject line, such as "What to do about Kingo malware?". The subject you provided ("What should we do now?") gives readers no clue what the thread is about.
Anyway, does anyone know how the malware determination was made, and by whom? Does the purported malware afflict the PC that runs the software, the phone that gets rooted, or both?
Also, I notice that the locked Kingo thread in the dev forum only mentions the malware determination in the last post of the thread. Anyone who just reads the initial post, or who doesn't read all the way to the end, will still think the software has been confirmed ok. (I know the download link in the initial post has been removed, but that has little effect since the software is trivially Googled.)
Gary02468 said:
This thread would be more helpful if it had an informative subject line, such as "What to do about Kingo malware?". The subject you provided ("What should we do now?") gives readers no clue what the thread is about.
Anyway, does anyone know how the malware determination was made, and by whom? Does the purported malware afflict the PC that runs the software, the phone that gets rooted, or both?
Also, I notice that the locked Kingo thread in the dev forum only mentions the malware determination in the last post of the thread. Anyone who just reads the initial post, or who doesn't read all the way to the end, will still think the software has been confirmed ok. (I know the download link in the initial post has been removed, but that has little effect since the software is trivially Googled.)
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Looking at it now, I agree with the subject line needing to be a little better.
I was just told by a MOD the following. >
So now that I already have Kingo, what do you think I should do ? Keep it, our undo it? Please let me know, because I dont see anything wrong with it. Phone is working great.
MOD Get rid of it, it steals your information and sends it to remote servers and leaves back doors on your device and pc
MOD Correction, it's thought to do these things
Okay, I will undo it......When I plug my phone back up to PC and run Kingo, it has an Unroot option. Should I do it that way? Or should I look for STOCK files that came with the phone and us Odin to flash it? Thanks for your time.
MOD Stock, don't use the app anymore
If it's really malware (I don't know how that determination was made), any passwords, credit-card or bank-account numbers, etc. on your PC or your phone may have been exposed and should be changed now. Your PC and your phone may need to be disinfected, preferably by clean-installing a known-good system.
Just for future reference, when a company with no known track record offers free, unvetted, closed-source software, it's risky to install it on any system whose integrity you care about. That's especially the case when they claim to be a commercial venture but they say that their product will always be free, and there's no apparent way for them to profit from it.
I still don't know what evidence, if any, shows that this software is malicious. But it seemed blatantly suspicious from the beginning, so I've refrained from installing it.
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LuckyColdJohnson said:
MOD Get rid of it, it steals your information and sends it to remote servers and leaves back doors on your device and pc
MOD Correction, it's thought to do these things
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Thought by whom, and on the basis of what evidence, if any?
Gary02468 said:
If it's really malware (I don't know how that determination was made), any passwords, credit-card or bank-account numbers, etc. on your PC or your phone may have been exposed and should be changed now. Your PC and your phone may need to be disinfected, preferably by clean-installing a known-good system.
Just for future reference, when a company with no known track record offers free, unvetted, closed-source software, it's risky to install it on any system whose integrity you care about. That's especially the case when they claim to be a commercial venture but they say that their product will always be free, and there's no apparent way for them to profit from it.
I still don't know what evidence, if any, shows that this software is malicious. But it seemed blatantly suspicious from the beginning, so I've refrained from installing it.
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Thought by whom, and on the basis of what evidence, if any?
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Well lets see here. The Devs and Moderators do a lot here at XDA. We trust them, and we do things to our phones.
Why wouldn't we trust what they say about certain methods? Threads and links being closed. I'm just saying...
Now I really want to make my phone go back to how it was when I bought it.
If there is anybody that's done it, I would love to know how.
It would be great if I could just use Odin with a file and not trip anything and go back. Please help me/others if this is possible.
Im sick to my stomach now. I knew I should of waited. **** !!!
LuckyColdJohnson said:
Well lets see here. The Devs and Moderators do a lot here at XDA. We trust them, and we do things to our phones.
Why wouldn't we trust what they say about certain methods?
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So far, no dev or mod has claimed here to have specific evidence that the software in question is malicious.
Sure, there's reason to be suspicious. But that was already obvious just from looking at the Kingo website.
Gary02468 said:
So far, no dev or mod has claimed here to have specific evidence that the software in question is malicious.
Sure, there's reason to be suspicious. But that was already obvious just from looking at the Kingo website.
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I don't know what to do. I have been rooting and modding phones and other electronics for years and now I feel like it's just not worth it. I trusted XDA and the Devs a lot. Heck a dev said that this way was easier and closed an old thread. So I ran with it and now 2 days later it's closed as well. I'm disappointed
LuckyColdJohnson said:
I don't know what to do. I have been rooting and modding phones and other electronics for years and now I feel like it's just not worth it. I trusted XDA and the Devs a lot. Heck a dev said that this way was easier and closed an old thread. So I ran with it and now 2 days later it's closed as well. I'm disappointed
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I think you need to look more closely at what it means to trust someone.
I do trust the devs here regarding the integrity of their own software, because their track record gives me evidence that they're trustworthy in that regard. I've flashed ROMs from here many times.
But I don't trust the devs--or anyone in the world--in the sense of automatically believing what they say about everything. I'm sure they wouldn't expect me to.
So if a dev makes an offhand remark that someone else's software (that they have no way of examining) is safe, then of course I'm not going to just take their word for it. And if they make an equally offhand remark that the software is malicious--but fail to mention why they think so--then I'm not going to automatically believe that, either.
LuckyColdJohnson said:
I don't know what to do. I have been rooting and modding phones and other electronics for years and now I feel like it's just not worth it. I trusted XDA and the Devs a lot. Heck a dev said that this way was easier and closed an old thread. So I ran with it and now 2 days later it's closed as well. I'm disappointed
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Why don't you reroot using De La Vega by DG? Although his method will wipe your phone back to stock but at least you know it works and it's safe.
Gary02468 said:
I think you need to look more closely at what it means to trust someone.
I do trust the devs here regarding the integrity of their own software, because their track record gives me evidence that they're trustworthy in that regard. I've flashed ROMs from here many times.
But I don't trust the devs--or anyone in the world--in the sense of automatically believing what they say about everything. I'm sure they wouldn't expect me to.
So if a dev makes an offhand remark that someone else's software (that they have no way of examining) is safe, then of course I'm not going to just take their word for it. And if they make an equally offhand remark that the software is malicious--but fail to mention why they think so--then I'm not going to automatically believe that, either.
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I agree man. Thanks for your input, I'm just a little mad. I did pay 399.00 for this and now, I just want it back to Stock. Thanks again, looking for a way.
ukic said:
Why don't you reroot using De La Vega by DG? Although his method will wipe your phone back to stock but at least you know it works and it's safe.
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Yup. If the phone is infected, wiping it clean is what you want to do anyway.
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LuckyColdJohnson said:
I agree man. Thanks for your input, I'm just a little mad. I did pay 399.00 for this and now, I just want it back to Stock. Thanks again, looking for a way.
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I think your course of action depends on how much you have at risk. Do you have sensitive/valuable passwords, account numbers, etc. on your phone or your PC?
If you don't, then you might want to just ignore the risk until and unless someone establishes that Kingo is really malware.
But if you do have sensitive information at risk, your decision is trickier. The only really secure course of action would be to wipe both your phone and your PC, and to reset all your potentially-exposed passwords and financial accounts. But that's a lot of work to go to for a threat that might not even exist. So it really depends on what you have at stake.
In any case, I wish you the best of luck!
If all it does is send info to their servers I ponder if I could just start it under a virtual machine with no internet connection and root.
is the internet connection required?
I would much rather flash two second than a 2 gig file it just sounds alot riskier
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mrkhigh said:
If all it does is send info to their servers I ponder if I could just start it under a virtual machine with no internet connection and root.
is the internet connection required?
I would much rather flash two second than a 2 gig file it just sounds alot riskier
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These are just rumors and a Moderator let us know it wasn't safe so,,,,,,I just want to go back. Cant right now. Cant find the At&T Firmware,,I dont think its available yet.
For all we know, Vroot and Kingo could be okay. IDK
Grrrr so we shouldnt use Kingo unroot method...Im a feard...anyone know what to do now
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mrkhigh said:
If all it does is send info to their servers I ponder if I could just start it under a virtual machine with no internet connection and root.
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I was thinking this as well but if the application leaves a back door open on the device itself then unless you plan on having your phone in Airplane mode 24/7 it would eventually send its payload over the wire.
I think the PC portion is controllable, its the mobile portion that has a lot of people on edge.
I found this website:
www[dot]majorgeeks.com/files/details/kingo_android_root[dot]html
Which seems to have links back into XDA about who made the claim and what not.
I see it like this, until someone can prove without a doubt that it is opening holes in devices and leaking information, its just another "he-said-she-said" argument.
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I was thinking this as well but if the application leaves a back door open on the device itself then unless you plan on having your phone in Airplane mode 24/7 it would eventually send its payload over the wire.
I think the PC portion is controllable, its the mobile portion that has a lot of people on edge.
I found this website:
www[dot]majorgeeks.com/files/details/kingo_android_root[dot]html
Which seems to have links back into XDA about who made the claim and what not.
I see it like this, until someone can prove without a doubt that it is opening holes in devices and leaking information, its just another "he-said-she-said" argument.
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Or someone is mad because they didn't come up with a root solution like this first, LOL just saying.
I tried the Vroot first, and it had a superuser app (from playstore) but its all in Chinese letters.
So I uninstalled that super user app and used Kingo to unroot (Which works perfectly)
Then I rebooted and rooted using Kingo. (Worked perfectly)
It put the superSU on there (In English) and has been awesome
Now Im going back to stock and never rooting again in my life because it pisses me off I can't trust ...Never mind
I will be using Vega method soon as I get home and Im done. This sucks. Battery life will also suck. Aw well. At least my info will be protected
I guess. Kingo,,,I wish they wouldn't of said that about you. Now I want you gone.
I've contacted Kingo on their website and asked them to comment, hopefully they will respond to the possibility of their app being permanently declared malware on the largest Android forum on the net. We'll see what they have to say about it, if anything.
Response from Kingo.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2515879
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Im back on stock and honestly, the phone fly's better.
I also have the watch so I'm going to wait for a new root method on new updated firmware.
This phone feels better and I got a better AnTUTU score without root.
LuckyColdJohnson said:
I agree man. Thanks for your input, I'm just a little mad. I did pay 399.00 for this and now, I just want it back to Stock. Thanks again, looking for a way.
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Root De La Vega works fine. Yes it does take a little more work and you have to wipe data but I've rooted/unrooted/rooted again and I've had no issues using DesignGear's method. DesignGear's is a great Dev...I don't think him telling people to use Kingo should change that opinion. Kingo seemed really, really weird to me from the beginning...but it does root the phone!
Hi everyone. I'm new to the forum, and new to all of this, so please forgive my ineptness and general cluelessness.
I have a Samsung Galaxy S5 Active (AT&T version) model SM-G870A. It was running 5.1.1 but was rooted. It also had debugging checked.
I was getting really irritated with all the bloatware that was installed by Samsung and AT&T because I hated opening my apps drawer and having to wade through panel after panel of useless apps. Not only this, but they ate up far too much of the space and resources on my device. And, just out of principal, the phone belongs to me. I paid cash for it, I don't have any kind of contract with AT&T, so why should they force me to have all their useless junk on my phone?
At first, I would have been happy just debloating it. So I used Dr.Fone to root it, and then I attempted to get rid of all the unwanted apps using Debloater by Gatesjunior. Long story short, I've now managed to get my phone into bootloop. Since then I've tried the different solutions recommended on XDA and nothing has worked so far for me.
At this point, I'd prefer just to be able to flash a custom rom for my phone, but honestly, if I can't do this I would be happy just to go back to where I was before this whole ordeal started... me with a functioning phone (albeit, full of useless bloatware). It would be horrible to admit defeat to AT&T, but I just want a working phone now
Any advice?
Thanks.
Bump.
Nobody? The post has gotten 59 views so far. I mean, I know it's not a hot new model S8, but can nobody point me in the right direction? I'd really appreciate it as this is the only phone I have, I like it despite all the bloatware it had, and I can't afford another. Or is it only worth throwing in the bottom of some drawer to collect dust?
Thanks.
111 views now and still no suggestions or advice. Seems there are loads of helpful people replying to other requests for help. I'm not sure what's different about this.
Read read read .... There is currently NO root method for the active this is stated over and over on this forum . You should be able to use Odin and flash a stock non rooted firmware ....again there are several posts and threads explaining this in detail ....good luck .... Do some searching and reading before making posts whining about no one helping you ....
I did read read read as you say. I did lots of searching, lots of reading, and tried lots of the suggestions (including flashing factory firmware with Odin) and nothing's worked. I also said in my original post that I'm not a phone enthusiast, I don't know anything about this stuff. I thought the point to the site was that there were advanced users and developers who wouldn't mind helping out the clueless. But no, everything I've read is quite cryptic in its terminology as to be basically opaque to most but it's spoke of in a way that's clearly meant for an audience with a similar knowledge base. I mean, I just wanted all the extra crap off my phone, I wasn't hoping to hack it into The Superphone, I got in over my head, and I realize I should have just left it alone. Don't open a watch unless your job is fixing watches. I understand that this is a site supported mostly by niche enthusiasts. Phones are your fun (which I don't get, but to each their own, mine is cameras and bicycles, so I understand having a passion other people don't get) but to most people phones are just something they have. If you're knowledgeable about this stuff, then I get why you might not understand why it's confusing to people like me.
In short, thanks for nothing.
P.S. - It IS rootable. I rooted mine. It is rooted right now. It's rootable using Dr.Phone. I mentioned this, so why don't you read? I could go on and on about the lame traits of users of niche interest sites (including photographers and cyclists, they can be so irritating) one being that of false authority... but why bother when I'll just receive another boring snide response (another lame trait of some enthusiasts which they seem to get no end of satisfaction from "Umm, there's this thing called the search function... duh".)
Lol enjoy your junk phone ...
Yeah, that's about what I expected. Thanks for proving my point. Enjoy your lame hobby.
Hello, I'll get straight to the point.
I've been itching to root my phone since I got it back in launch. I have verizon sm-n950u android version 7.1.1 which to my understanding means nougat. NOW I am a casual rooter, I watch tutorial videos and read how-to threads over and over and over and still manage to miss a crucial/key step and get stuck in a bootloop of some sort before coming here, begging for help via thread resurrection, or just with more searching but with random key words.
I ask you, anyone who is able and willing, help. I'm ready to root, yes I can/have read some of the posts, but the terminology in some of them are not noob friendly. A lot of it assumes I should already know the basics but really I don't. I can work my way around odin, but that's about it. Normally i'd be all over anything freeza makes but he's moved on to a different phone now it seems, no more samsung.
I'm hoping someone can help me to pretty much root and get xposed framework. All the roms are very nice but are a bit too advanced for me atm because I dont know what any of the features they have mean.
Thanks and sorry for the rambling post that you probably all get all the time.
Hi. Not to discourage you but you may wish to know that if you root, you will trip Knox and lose access to Secure Folder and Samsung Pay.
No way to get them back.
Which modules in xposed do you want/need?
VerucaSalt said:
Hi. Not to discourage you but you may wish to know that if you root, you will trip Knox and lose access to Secure Folder and Samsung Pay.
No way to get them back.
Which modules in xposed do you want/need?
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Wrong. He is Snapdragon. Warranty bit isnt tripped. so returning to stock gets back secure folder and sammy pay no problems. Also Xposed DOES NOT WORK on Snapdragon models at the moment. Anyway Also agree with you that he shouldnt root. If he doesnt understand even half of whats said on a fairly noob free guide then its not for him.
OP, do you even know WHY you want to root?
What is in Xposed, that you need so bad?
Like the other posters here, I agree; there is NO WAY you should mess with your 1000 dollar phone until you gain ALOT more knowledge
We do not discuss lucky patcher on XDA...
Hey sorry for the late response(currently at youmacon) and I appreciate the thoughtful replies. As I think I mentioned. I've been a fan of freeza's work I've rooted my past phones with his beast mode kernels. I might have overplayed my ignorance, but it's mostly because the lingo itself can be rather daunting, especially when looking at all the amazing roms being released.
I want exposed so I can try to get at least SOME of the features back that i had on my note 3. An app that cant be named itself is enough for me to root. Idk what the Samsung folder thing is and I don't intend to use Samsung pay either. I'm not all that afraid of tripping Knox, I'm more afraid of being stuck in a boot loop.
Edit: had to re-send this without mentioning a certain app. That was my bad mods and admin, I was unaware.
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Hey sorry for the late response(currently at youmacon) and I appreciate the thoughtful replies. As I think I mentioned. I've been a fan of freeza's work I've rooted my past phones with his beast mode kernels. I might have overplayed my ignorance, but it's mostly because the lingo itself can be rather daunting, especially when looking at all the amazing roms being released.
I want exposed so I can try to get at least SOME of the features back that i had on my note 3. An app that cant be named itself is enough for me to root. Idk what the Samsung folder thing is and I don't intend to use Samsung pay either. I'm not all that afraid of tripping Knox, I'm more afraid of being stuck in a boot loop.
Edit: had to re-send this without mentioning a certain app. That was my bad mods and admin, I was unaware.
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Xposed still doesnt work
So I'm still waiting anyway lol. So at this point there's really no reason for a guy like me to root. Most of what I wanted all came from xposed.
Sorry for wasting everyone's time, you dudes are helpful as always.
I've had the note8 for about 3 months-ish. It's been great, only thing is I am getting SICK of having no control over which apps are doing what in background, (stock stuff spying/sending data home etc).
I was just pushed the oreo update from my carrier and it looks like its slightly slower now, guess this is all part of the planned obsolescence to get us to buy new phones.
The questions for the experts here :
-How difficult/dangerous is it to root note8 with knox, and have it come out successful?
-How do you possibly find a trustworthy rom that wont be loaded with viruses/rootkits
-Is there a gold standard guide out there for security on rooted note8's (how to setup firewalls/ iptables. with knox in the equation)
I dont want to overload this post with stuff when I'm the one holding my hat out here for advice. I've googled for weeks, can't seem to find any straight answer. No one seems to have any solid hands on experience with this (rooting/knox/security). I just know that the note8 with all the knox parts makes it different from any other phone ive had.
THANK YOU.
I suppose I should also mention that I am looking for something that will be the most secure/offer the most flexibility in maintaining privacy.
Ideally I would love something that just has a homescreen that shows all network data events/history. Probably doesnt exist, but thats my mindset about all this.
If you want security and the ability to stop stuff running in the background (slowing down your phone and using your battery), you don't want to root.
Just install one of these apps:
1. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pdp.singleplay
or
2. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kunkunsoft.packagedisabler
They allow you to disable apps you don't want or use (e.g. facebook). I use the first one. I know they are paid apps but they are worth the money.
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If you want security and the ability to stop stuff running in the background (slowing down your phone and using your battery), you don't want to root.
Just install one of these apps:
1. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pdp.singleplay
or
2. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kunkunsoft.packagedisabler
They allow you to disable apps you don't want or use (e.g. facebook). I use the first one. I know they are paid apps but they are worth the money.
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Yea, I have heard of those. But I guess whenever I see a solution that involves me paying some person I dont know for them to put code on my phone, I always prefer to go the learn it myself route. Which is why I guess I am asking for some advice on rooting, I can handle doing it myself, I'm not entirely un-tech savvy. Just had a few general questions about rom/knox issues.
Also thank you!
cricketpaddleinmyhand said:
-How difficult/dangerous is it to root note8 with knox, and have it come out successful?
-How do you possibly find a trustworthy rom that wont be loaded with viruses/rootkits
-Is there a gold standard guide out there for security on rooted note8's (how to setup firewalls/ iptables. with knox in the equation.
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It's pretty straightforward to root, just read through the root threads and make sure you're familiar with all the steps.
I have never downloaded a rom from here with viruses and rootkits. Look at user feedback and install a virus scanner on your phone if concerned. For official firmware, try SamFirm or Sammobile.
You can use apps like AFWall+ from the Play Store but root is required for it to work. I don't know what you mean by "with Knox in the equation" though. Knox is something else entirely.
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It's pretty straightforward to root, just read through the root threads and make sure you're familiar with all the steps.
I have never downloaded a rom from here with viruses and rootkits. Look at user feedback and install a virus scanner on your phone if concerned. For official firmware, try SamFirm or Sammobile.
You can use apps like AFWall+ from the Play Store but root is required for it to work. I don't know what you mean by "with Knox in the equation" though. It's something else entirely.
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Yep, pretty familiar with finding roms/installing them (still weary of anything free, rootkits can be hidden anywhere these days). Only reason I specifically made a thread this time around is due to the knox security portion of the note8. I've heard it can complicate things when rooting note8, and I was unable to find much info from people on it (especially with recent version releases)
but thank you!
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Yep, pretty familiar with finding roms/installing them (still weary of anything free, rootkits can be hidden anywhere these days). Only reason I specifically made a thread this time around is due to the knox security portion of the note8. I've heard it can complicate things when rooting note8, and I was unable to find much info from people on it (especially with recent version releases)
but thank you!
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What model do you have? Rooting on Exynos with custom recovery will trip Knox counter and stop samsung pay/secure pass from working ever again. Most Snapdragon models have locked bootloaders though, and their root method doesn't affect Knox if I recall correctly (see SamFail thread though for that last one).
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Yea, I have heard of those. But I guess whenever I see a solution that involves me paying some person I dont know for them to put code on my phone, I always prefer to go the learn it myself route. Which is why I guess I am asking for some advice on rooting, I can handle doing it myself, I'm not entirely un-tech savvy. Just had a few general questions about rom/knox issues.
Also thank you!
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Do what you're happy doing.
Just one thing. Your logic is fatally flawed. You say you won't pay someone to provide a solution unless you have researched it first but you will however sacrifice security by rooting for free but you haven't researched it.
Your questions are all answered in this forum, you just need to use the search function. No need to create another 'how do I root and what are the advantages/disadvantages' thread.
Good luck.
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Do what you're happy doing.
Just one thing. Your logic is fatally flawed. You say you won't pay someone to provide a solution unless you have researched it first but you will however sacrifice security by rooting for free but you haven't researched it.
Your questions are all answered in this forum, you just need to use the search function. No need to create another 'how do I root and what are the advantages/disadvantages' thread.
Good luck.
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Thanks for your reply, however practice makes perfect - can't get good at anything until you try.
As for searching this forum, maybe I should have been more specific when i said I googled. That meant I searched everywhere I knew of (including here) for any specific knox related rooting guides for the current note8 OS release. And since it just rolled out few days prior, I haven't found many first hand accounts/spoken to anyone who has attempted it. I will also add that i was hoping to hear some opinions about something that is specifically tailored to security/privacy. I guess I thought that was unique enough/not previously posted to warrant my own thread. But as you stated, perhaps my thinking is flawed.
Thank you!
The thing is, if you are so concerned about security issues, do not use ANY google related service/software, there you voluntarily give tons of pieces of info, but that includes amdroid itself, as it relies on google play services, as I see it, your best option for not having anything suspicious installed in your device is a plain feature phone, and a computer with the best protection you can buy/get
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The thing is, if you are so concerned about security issues, do not use ANY google related service/software, there you voluntarily give tons of pieces of info, but that includes amdroid itself, as it relies on google play services, as I see it, your best option for not having anything suspicious installed in your device is a plain feature phone, and a computer with the best protection you can buy/get
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Yes, you couldn't be more right about that.
Unfortunately google and my work have not fully separated and probably wont anytime soon. Main reason i was wanting to root was to have some sort of control over my firewall/setup some iptables to limit the amount of trackers/bugs phoning home.
Rooting is the exact opposite to safety, that is why unbranded/generic/fake/etc are sold with root access out of the box, no restrictions whatsoever for anything
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Thanks for your reply, however practice makes perfect - can't get good at anything until you try.
As for searching this forum, maybe I should have been more specific when i said I googled. That meant I searched everywhere I knew of (including here) for any specific knox related rooting guides for the current note8 OS release. And since it just rolled out few days prior, I haven't found many first hand accounts/spoken to anyone who has attempted it. I will also add that i was hoping to hear some opinions about something that is specifically tailored to security/privacy. I guess I thought that was unique enough/not previously posted to warrant my own thread. But as you stated, perhaps my thinking is flawed.
Thank you!
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I'm not sure what you mean by "Knox-related rooting guides". That may be part of the confusion and why you can't find what you're looking for. You root the phone/OS, not Knox.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "Knox-related rooting guides". That may be part of the confusion and why you can't find what you're looking for. You root the phone/OS, not Knox.
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Yea, it is confusing I know. Apparently I have heard that the knox feature can cause issues , especially if you already updated .
Botched this thread pretty good lmao, everyone is totally lost. (me included)
meh, don worry about it. ill just let the thread hang, see if anyone can see what im trying to explain somewhat terribly
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Rooting is the exact opposite to safety
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Well, I would somewhat agree with you there. But, I guess Im just sick of having no way to set my own firewall rules/ have control over my ports.
Do not ask for an ETA
Once the mods start getting onto people for asking, I'll take my dev work off site. I don't want to upset mods and admin over people being impatient.
I've been looking and root isn't available yet for the Snapdragon version. I've created root access for a few devices so far, be it years ago. I want root, so I've decided to start dev work on my own. Can't say how long it will take, or if I will be able to, but anyone that is willing to test or help, feel free to comment and say so, since help would be greatly appreciated. Testers are needed.
First off though, what advancements have been made so far? Several posts I've seen have dead links to data, so to start, I'll need to know what's been done already. No need to reproduce failed outcomes.
Reserved for future links.
drakaina said:
Do not ask for an ETA
Once the mods start getting onto people for asking, I'll take my dev work off site. I don't want to upset mods and admin over people being impatient.
I've been looking and root isn't available yet for the Snapdragon version. I've created root access for a few devices so far, be it years ago. I want root, so I've decided to start dev work on my own. Can't say how long it will take, or if I will be able to, but anyone that is willing to test or help, feel free to comment and say so, since help would be greatly appreciated. Testers are needed.
First off though, what advancements have been made so far? Several posts I've seen have dead links to data, so to start, I'll need to know what's been done already. No need to reproduce failed outcomes.
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One guy flashed a combination version of the firmware and got the OEM unlock toggle to show on a SM-G960U. It switched on and off but I am not sure if it actually unlocked the bootloader or not. There is a TWRP already ported to the Snapdragon version as well, although only for the Chinese and Hong Kong version, it should work on our device if you can get the bootloader unlocked first. I have been scouring online and in the forums since the phone came out and that's all I nave found thus far. Im sure you already know these things, but I figured I would say it just in case you weren't aware. Hope you get it figured out! Good luck! ?
The only development I've heard of is one user claiming he got a diagnostic boot with SElinux permissive. (In the S9 root dev forum/thread) I also have a source who is NOT trying to be identified publicly because he works for google, but he informed me that "the android O build for SAMSUNG DEVICES, was developed with special instructions in it to automatically kick a KERNEL PANIC , if ANY app NOT on some internal White List attempts to access, modify, or send SU commands through any NOT LISTED app with those permissions granted already." ... now I'm not an Android level programmer, but I'm an old Linux dev/ penetration systems tester (lol) and from what I am gathering is that the patches or whatever that Samsung added to the O.S. also included an encrypted or hidden white list, which he says is VERY small, (as in number of items actually in the list) , but even he said they do not have any access nor knowledge of where they stored this. He did tell me that they delivered an incomplete or infant code for Samsung Snapdragon Model Note 8,9 and s8,9, and it was so crude that not only would it not compile because of missing crap Samsung deliberately did not supply them with... but he said that it was NOT lockable in that state, so Samsung either inserted their own locked kernel and whatever to create this B.S. broke down version of Android that is Root crippled. BUT the only clue he could give me was that "On no level can an E-fuse provide an unbreakable chain of trust, and that if an extreme modded were to actually break down the system board of an S9, they could in theory remove or add some sort of device that would bypass the Qualcomm Secure boot completely!" ... now this ain't a best friend or nothing so truthfully I'm surprised I got this much from him... but I've known who he was and that hes worked for Google nearly 12 years as a developer and software engineer. So I dont know if any of that info helps... but my contribution is that I can get my device (s9+ from Sprint USA Sm-g965U) replaced with little to no hassle, so I'm 100% willing to do any tests u need, providing that you give me at least a basic level of instruction, as to each set of commands or package u want me to flash. I'm pretty android savvy considering it's just a linux derivative... and I know Samsung 100% .. I've had every S - galaxy since day 1 . BUT throwing blind commands at my device that I have 0 understanding of their impact, makes me feel like a squirrel running across the freeway during rush hour! Plz Do me a favor and shoot me a private message and I'll give you my cell number and email so u can reach me quicker when you have something u need tested! Now please people don't berate me if something he said to me was not correct or you have different data to disprove what he said. I literally took notes by hand and had him confirm them, so I'm just the messenger/informant and u gotta realize that as a google employee, he #1 is partially not knowledgeable of ways to exploit the O.S. which is what the hackers come into play for. And make the developers work **** tons harder to FIX the hole the ****ed up in the 1st place! ? Lol... and #2. I did ask about the possibility of a $$$$ number he would take in order to provide an actual Eng-boot like that of the S8, and he said that "Those are developed by each individual corporation after they are provided the build source code", and that "google has no interest in possessing or archiving any such file because the O.S. does not need it to provide a developers version of the O.S., which is as far as Google goes in providing a new system to the companies.... so for something like that, reach out to one of the underpaid factories full of workers and I'm sure they would happily give you what you want for much cheaper than you imagine!" Ok that was very long winded but I wanted to cover all I could because I prob wont check this thread anymore.... plz PM me bro so I can get you my info ... and let's put this Flashing Guinea Pig (me) to work in getting this ***** at least hack rooted or maybe full!!!
Hello, i've just finished reading all above and from what I've read I can tell that not all hopes are lost as well I'm offering my help to be a (TESTER) for any attempts you wanna try, however, please note that I'm NO DEV just a user who would like to his phone rooted ASAP that's all, so please explain the commands that you would give me and the steps. plz PM me so I can get you my contact info
It ain't happening with the known exploits.
Ok, so far I have a few routes I plan to take that have worked on other devices. Working on the first, but not at the moment. The rude comment compelled me to post my own. Devs don't follow old ways of doing things so get that out of your head if you want to think forward, not backwards. I have found what could be an exploit in the rom itself that "might" be the starting point to get root access. This is NOT an ETA but hopefully we can start testing in the next few weeks.
I'll say it now, don't get overly excited a possible exploit has been found. I make no guarantee on it being THE exploit needed. Just be patient, and if you have insight on a way to attack this or another possible exploit, do say so.
If anyone knows of the bootloader partition already having been copied, post a link. I share mine at the moment so I don't always have it around, so any of the bootloader data would help greatly.
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Ok, so far I have a few routes I plan to take that have worked on other devices. Working on the first, but not at the moment. The rude comment compelled me to post my own.
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I saw no rude comment, just a dose of reality for you, a little thin skinned are we?
You're continuing to be rude and attempting to derail the point of the thread. Meh, I'm getting back to work since it not good to feed trolls.
Pretty sure placeholder threads are not allowed on XDA...
I am making presence known now. I will be watching this closely
Technicly this thread don't even need to exist right now.
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First off though, what advancements have been made so far? Several posts I've seen have dead links to data, so to start, I'll need to know what's been done already. No need to reproduce failed outcomes.
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Myself and a handful of other people involved in us snapdragon s8/s8+/n8+ took a brief crack at it a little while ago to no avail. I don't want to go into too many details on here as 1) Samsung is watching surely and 2) the contents from the peanut gallery get old quick but here are the cliff notes. Feel free to pm me here or on telegram for more details. (Backstory on me, I created samfail which was the first/only n8 root method and the second for the s8/s8+ and the only published one beyond bootloader v1.
- samfail is 100% patched. No known way to modify system
- you can't mix combo boot with stock images anymore. Samsung got wise to that. Figured out how to track it if we can force write a system image
- there is a ton of new system level security because they had to move out of the boot image due to treble. Probably the first big nail in the coffin I'm.
- don't waste your time on the oem unlock toggle in the combo/factory rom. No it doesn't unlock the bootloader. The us snapdragons don't respect it's value outside of turning off frp, but that was with the s8 idk if it is still true on the s9.
- the other poster is right about the anti root thing. It's in the open source kernel code. If anything being exexuted under uid 0 matches a list of common/known root mods/not stuff that is supposed to be there, instant kernel panic. Things like "binary is called BusyBox" are on that list.
This was the point I gave up. Partially because I don't have the device so testing is extremely difficult (I wised up this year and purchased a intl. Snapdragon sm-g9650 which has full oem unlock just like the exy).
In sure there's things in forgetting right now and again, being too transparent here results in root method bring patched faster, hit me up if you want more brain dump
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You're continuing to be rude and attempting to derail the point of the thread. Meh, I'm getting back to work since it not good to feed trolls.
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Although I have seen a lot worse on these threads, his comment was pretty negative, which is what we do not need in this thread. I wish people would just keep their thoughts to themselves if they have nothing to add to the discussion. I also will test so let me know if there is anything I can do to help.
i also have a g965u and have been trying various mwthods to no avail at this point.. we need new exploits to be found.. all the obvious stuff will not work
It is because of this is why I will never buy another Galaxy phone. I need root.
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It is because of this is why I will never buy another Galaxy phone. I need root.
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Just don't buy snapdragon, the Exynos S9s are unlocked
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Just don't buy snapdragon, the Exynos S9s are unlocked
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You cannot buy Exynos from a carrier. You have to buy directly from Samsung for that. I know because I requested a Exynos variant. Sprint said they couldn't (or wouldn't) give me one.
edit: nvm not worth it.
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You cannot buy Exynos from a carrier. You have to buy directly from Samsung for that. I know because I requested a Exynos variant. Sprint said they couldn't (or wouldn't) give me one.
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i talked to samsung a couple months ago before i got my s9 and they told me they wont sell you one directly with the Exynos. I was going to get the s8 with the exynos if they would of sold me one. They wouldn'ty so i bought a tmobile s9 with my carrier.
has anyone been able to reboot phone into edl mode?