Hi all,
I have had two rooted kindle fire 7" tablets for a while now for my young sons, both rooted with slim roms on. They massively prefer the stock interface to the bloat of fireos.
Anyway, one of them has broken the screen so I ordered a new one and it shipped with 5.4.0.0
So since there is no way to root or downgrade on this version would it be possible to simply switch over the new devices screen for the old? Rather than undo all the front glue to move the new screen into the old body it seems to make more sense to just put the old mainboard in the new body. But don't want to open it up and void the warranty if hardware wise they are different.
So is there any hardware change that would prevent this? Has anyone done this? Is this a stupid idea?!
curuxz said:
Hi all,
I have had two rooted kindle fire 7" tablets for a while now for my young sons, both rooted with slim roms on. They massively prefer the stock interface to the bloat of fireos.
Anyway, one of them has broken the screen so I ordered a new one and it shipped with 5.4.0.0
So since there is no way to root or downgrade on this version would it be possible to simply switch over the new devices screen for the old? Rather than undo all the front glue to move the new screen into the old body it seems to make more sense to just put the old mainboard in the new body. But don't want to open it up and void the warranty if hardware wise they are different.
So is there any hardware change that would prevent this? Has anyone done this? Is this a stupid idea?!
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There are subtle differences between 5th and 7th gen devices (connectors, button placement, etc) that will make a direct board swap difficult if not impossible. Swaps between same generations should be fine.
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Unfortunately i have had to exchange my nook two times. I thought the third one would work. But today I returned it and the accessories. Are there any other tablets one would reccomend sans Galaxy Tab. I realize most (if not all) of you don't give a **** about this post. But I just want to see peoples input. I may buy an NC again in the future once a new hardware revision comes out. Goodbye again.
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I surely would waste my money on a galaxy tablet I had 1 and its etremely crappy waste of money no matter how you flash it or what you do to it doesn't matter it still junk.
Laggy browser multi touch slow tiling in the browser Go to sleep while watching youtube videos on and on
Definitely not worth 600 dollars
I would buy a viewsonic g tablets and root the hell out of it before I would buy another galaxy
Third one is working for me. Too bad you didn't have any luck.
Have you looked at the Velocity Micro Cruz Tablets? Same price, but don't know any details about the hardware.
Good luck,
kev
jackjumper85 said:
Unfortunately i have had to exchange my nook two times. I thought the third one would work. But today I returned it and the accessories. Are there any other tablets one would reccomend sans Galaxy Tab. I realize most (if not all) of you don't give a **** about this post. But I just want to see peoples input. I may buy an NC again in the future once a new hardware revision comes out. Goodbye again.
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What was the problem with each tablet, individually?
I too haven't had any luck. My first Nookcolor wouldn't turn on or reset after I plugged it in to charge. The second one would randomly reboot, reload or freeze. B&N are sending me a third one. My cousin bought her nookcolor on release date and she has never had to reset or soft reset hers.
3g...no thanks
Viewsonic g tablet if you are into custom Roms. Crappy out of the box.
Archos 70 or 101. Tempted to sell my NC for the 101.
Sent from Nook Color.
khaytsus said:
What was the problem with each tablet, individually?
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First one - usb port was jacked up (like smashed)
Second one - Volume buttons broken
Third one - Defective digitizer
Sent from my rooted HTC EVO 4G.
Were you having the digitizer problems while plugged into the charger? This seems to be a common issue that is actually caused by the charger itself. I know you already returned your third Nook but maybe someone else will see this if they're having a similar problem. I have this same issue with my Nook and will be calling customer service to get a replacement shipped out. In the meantime i haven't had the need to use my device while it's charging due to the long battery life.
For those considering changing to a gtablet or archos i can only say that i owned an archos 101 and returned it due to its horrible screen and build quality. I have also used a gtablet and it was quite heavy and also had a very poor screen. However, there's no denying that it has pretty powerful hardware and performs well when you ditch the stock software for a custom rom.
Sent from my Nook Color using XDA App
My third Nook is on it's way... First two had cracked screen! :|
leeh41 said:
Viewsonic g tablet if you are into custom Roms. Crappy out of the box.
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I've heard good things about this one too. If I had to buy one right now, this would probably be it. Otherwise, I'd wait for the NotionInk Adam.
leeh41 said:
Viewsonic g tablet if you are into custom Roms. Crappy out of the box.
Archos 70 or 101. Tempted to sell my NC for the 101.
Sent from Nook Color.
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Hmm (quick look at Viewsonic web page and Amazon) ... twice the price for 7 or 10 inch, slower and way less onboard memory, what's not to love? Web cam, BT and Froyo are there also there, OK some things.
Homer
ianandamy said:
I surely would waste my money on a galaxy tablet I had 1 and its etremely crappy waste of money no matter how you flash it or what you do to it doesn't matter it still junk.
Laggy browser multi touch slow tiling in the browser Go to sleep while watching youtube videos on and on
Definitely not worth 600 dollars
I would buy a viewsonic g tablets and root the hell out of it before I would buy another galaxy
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I hear ya, surprised the fanbois insecure in their purchase haven't popped up yet to cry foul though.
Anyways, I'd wait. CES is coming and supposedly alot of new tablets will be demoed with actual release dates not too far out... i.e. I'm not even going to recommend a rooted/custom fw'ed gTab. (It is fast(browses almost as well as my MSI GT725 P8600 2.4GHz/ATI 4850 mobility), but you never know something with a better stock fw might be on the way...)
I'm kind of in the OP's position, as my first NC came OOB w/a borked USB port and I had a b!tch of a time getting them to exchange it. No wonder that B&N are in trouble with that kind of QA & CS... Exchange unit is doing OK now, so I plan to keep it unless something happens to this one before 14d are up, in which case I'm going to have to think hard about another exchange or just flat out return. Their crap CS is making me lean to return as it was the very worst CS experience that I've ever had in my life.
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Do NOT buy the Cruz Craplet. It uses a non-standard MIPS CPU in the SoC unlike every single other recent device that uses ARM based SoCs. Also their reader is just an overpriced white Pandigital Novel. The fws are nearly directly exchangeable.
Archos: beware of 256MB of RAM in those, and their current froyo build underclocks their CPU to 800MHz plus they tooketh away features that were in their 2.1 build... (mainly some codecs that they want you to buy now, or so I gather). The RAM is a limiting factor in app usage and potential further OS upgrades, so I'd look for devices with a minimum of 512MB of RAM onboard. (I'd also REALLY like to see easily user replaceable batteries.... but...)
Notion Ink: I'd wait and see on those guys. More like until they release their next tablet(see if they survive) and see if they fix their crappy warranty & shipping & return policies and/or get into B&M so that you can see/try BEFORE you buy...
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I went from an Archos 101 to a NC and I definitely second the comment about the ram. 256MB just isn't enough for me - lockups and freezes are common when you do anything interesting with it. My dad ended up the Archos for Christmas for checking sports scores and emails and stuff and he loves it so far.
The latest Archos gen8 firmware allows you to bump the speed back up to 1GHz, so that's not an issue. The A101's screen (TN versus IPS) and touch sensor (tested via fruit ninja) are crap next to the NC's. As far as video playback goes, the A101 runs rings around the poor NC. Everything just played. Lack of bluetooth sucks on the NC, but hopefully "they" will fix that for us soon.
My NC has a single dead pixel smack in the middle of the screen, but it's definitely not worth the hassle of a return.
EDIT: I forgot about the terrible wireless on the A101. As of 2.0.71 firmware WPA2 AES finally works, but it's not as stable as wireless on the NC. On the other hand, the A101 neatly beats the NC on battery life.
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Third one is working for me. Too bad you didn't have any luck.
Have you looked at the Velocity Micro Cruz Tablets? Same price, but don't know any details about the hardware.
Good luck,
kev
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Was contemplating getting a cruz tab but from what I read, it has slow mips processor which stops market access. The reviews also said it had build issues. I'm happy with my galaxy tab and my wife is happy with her nc, she still won't let me root her nc lol
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i agree wait until CES is done. Lots of Android tabs coming out. It's unfortunate at the problems some are having. I have 2 NC's and no problems. For the money, the NC is hard to beat. I would not get the Galaxy tab as it is overpriced IMHO.
Been followign the CES and pre-CES launch announcements, and I would say hang on til june and get one of the Asus Tablets. They will retail between $399-$499 depending on model (the 7", which includes a capacitve stylus and ap suite to take advantage of it, and the 10" slider models are $499, the 10" tablet that has an optional keyboard dock is $399). The LG tablet is another that is on the horizon that looks very promising.
In fact, CES now has me second guessing whether or not I will get a NC.
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Viewsonic g tablet if you are into custom Roms. .
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I had one....terrible screen....I returned it. Loving my nook
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. They will retail between $399-$499 depending on model (the 7", which includes a capacitve stylus and ap suite to take advantage of it, and the 10" slider models are $499, the 10" tablet that has an optional keyboard dock is $399). The LG tablet is another that is on the horizon that looks very promising.
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That's $150 - $250 more than the NC for an Android tablet.
That and I would never spend that kind of cash on a tablet with a mobile OS. Say what you want, but Android, iOS, WM7 are all still just phone/hand held operating systems.
For the record: first unit had a borked USB port, and the second has 2 defective pixels plus a backlight display defect near the top. No worries! I'm taking the second back to BestBuy and picking up a third on Sunday! I'll keep doing it 'til it's perfect. For $250 it's all that.
Sorry to hear that B&N customer service sucks. Anyway, Walmart is carrying them too now so options are good.
-Matt
So first, let me blanket apologize for the fact that I am most certainly a noob in this new Android world. After being forced to use an iPhone 4 for more than a year I finally got the money to buy a Moto X and discovered a lot has changed since the days of Ice Cream Sandwich. I have since rooted and flashed CM 10.2 to my Nook HD and my fathers Nook Tablet.
Getting to the point: the wacom bamboo line has intrigued me since my HP Tmt2 digitizer (a wacom device) works so well. What I /think/ I would like to do (but am fully open to alternative suggestions) is find a way to use some combination of 1 or 2 Android devices and a bamboo stylus or tablet that could either be synced to work together like 2 monitors or at least able to quickly share files, etc.
The goal is to be able to take natural notes using the bamboo tablet or stylus & android one one screen while viewing books/docs/web pages with the other. I'm going back to school for a grad degree soon and would love to have something other than the HP that got me through undergrad.
So to recap the devices I have readily available are:
~B&N Nook HD running CM 10.2 (planning on CM11 soon)
~B&N Nook Tablet running CM 10.2 (CM11 soon)
~Moto X on Republic Wireless (open to root if need)
~HP Touchsmart Tmt2 (prefer not to use as it is heavy)
~Wacom Stylus for Tm2 (tried looking it up but they don't seem to make replacements anymore and to be honest it is super glued and electrical taped within an inch of life)
I am willing (even wanting to) buy a wacom stylus or similar product. I am moderately diy- capable so if someone can point me towards a guide I can probably follow it.
Sorry if this isn't the right forum, but I'm hoping some of you creatives can help me out!
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I flashed my son's Amazon Fire 5.1.1 with Nexus ROM using FlashFire.
What is the safest way to go back to FireOS 5.1.1??
I am still searching the forums, but I am nervous because I've already destroyed 1 of these things and really don't want to do a second.
KYJoe said:
I flashed my son's Amazon Fire 5.1.1 with Nexus ROM using FlashFire.
What is the safest way to go back to FireOS 5.1.1??
I am still searching the forums, but I am nervous because I've already destroyed 1 of these things and really don't want to do a second.
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Safest approach IMO is to sideload 5.1.1 via Amazon's stock recovery. See this tread; first post has a nice video.
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Safest approach IMO is to sideload 5.1.1 via Amazon's stock recovery. See this tread; first post has a nice video.
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Got it worked great. Rooted using Supertool Now back to troubleshooting speed issues when installing/launching some apps.
Took Facebook 10 minutes to download and install....once I launch it...it come sup with a blue screen and the logo flashes longer than it should....
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KYJoe said:
Got it worked great. Rooted using Supertool Now back to troubleshooting speed issues when installing/launching some apps.
Took Facebook 10 minutes to download and install....once I launch it...it come sup with a blue screen and the logo flashes longer than it should....
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Surprised you stepped away from Nexus (or any custom rom for this device) if looking for 3rd party apps. If FireOS is a must you'll probably need to keep some of Amazon's massive app portfolio from launching at boot and reloading even when 'swipped' away.
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Surprised you stepped away from Nexus (or any custom rom for this device) if looking for 3rd party apps. If FireOS is a must you'll probably need to keep some of Amazon's massive app portfolio from launching at boot and reloading even when 'swipped' away.
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Well I may have to step away from the device altogether. Unfortunately we bought 3 of them as Easter gifts for kids. I didn't research the device enough before purchasing (my fault). We found them for $28 on Amazon, saw they could be rooted with CM12 and assumed it would work like the Nook Color did. (my fault completely).
In the 3-4 days that my son used it and we had moved apps to the sd card...for whatever reason when I took a look at the tablet to see how space was being utilized and how well it was running on the 4th day....the sd card didn't even show up. And I know (if you want a nook color experience...buy a nook color)...
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Well I may have to step away from the device altogether. Unfortunately we bought 3 of them as Easter gifts for kids. I didn't research the device enough before purchasing (my fault). We found them for $28 on Amazon, saw they could be rooted with CM12 and assumed it would work like the Nook Color did. (my fault completely).
In the 3-4 days that my son used it and we had moved apps to the sd card...for whatever reason when I took a look at the tablet to see how space was being utilized and how well it was running on the 4th day....the sd card didn't even show up. And I know (if you want a nook color experience...buy a nook color)...
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Nook Color is a nice device. However, you can probably achieve your objectives with a little more work. Are the current problems confined to issues with SD card access? Or are there other concerns.
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Nook Color is a nice device. However, you can probably achieve your objectives with a little more work. Are the current problems confined to issues with SD card access? Or are there other concerns.
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I have to admit that I don't use the tablet. It is mainly for my 11 year old niece, 13 year old niece and 13 year old son. Biggest concern for me is the sd card just becoming blank. I put cyanogen on my sons color 2? 3? years ago? and I haven't had to touch it since. He installs apps, copies movies over etc...but for the last 6 months he had been using it with a cracked screen....which seemed annoying to me but he didn't mind, but then the back fell off..lol....
I just want something that works and can install apk via usb cable etc...watch movies...play KODI. Each of the 3 Fire's have 64gb sd cards in them. So they should last a little while.
Let me know if you have any suggestions. I'm not totally against looking at another custom rom, but I may have to buy a 4th one so that I can mess with it.
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I have to admit that I don't use the tablet. It is mainly for my 11 year old niece, 13 year old niece and 13 year old son. Biggest concern for me is the sd card just becoming blank. I put cyanogen on my sons color 2? 3? years ago? and I haven't had to touch it since. He installs apps, copies movies over etc...but for the last 6 months he had been using it with a cracked screen....which seemed annoying to me but he didn't mind, but then the back fell off..lol....
I just want something that works and can install apk via usb cable etc...watch movies...play KODI. Each of the 3 Fire's have 64gb sd cards in them. So they should last a little while.
Let me know if you have any suggestions. I'm not totally against looking at another custom rom, but I may have to buy a 4th one so that I can mess with it.
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Looks like you found a solution in another thread. See how that plays out.
If price was irrelevant would you choose a 5th gen OS 5.3.1.0 or a 7th generation?
Can sd card be used as main storage on both?
If price was irrelevant I would search ebay and message people to find one with 5.1.2 and tell them to turn off wifi and ship it to me. They all can run and SD card up to 128 gb
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If price was irrelevant would you choose a 5th gen OS 5.3.1.0 or a 7th generation?
Can sd card be used as main storage on both?
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A 5th gen with FireOS 5.3.1 can be rooted allowing installation of a custom ROM and/or more flexible use of SD card storage (virtually anything). A 7th gen will almost certainly arrive with a version of FireOS that can not be rooted at present. You are then stuck with FireOS and fairly restrictive SD card utilization. Remaining improvements in 7th gen devices are relatively minor.
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If price was irrelevant would you choose a 5th gen OS 5.3.1.0 or a 7th generation?
Can sd card be used as main storage on both?
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I currently am using 15 of the 7" 5th gens rooted and running as kiosks for test taking in my classroom. They have a few booting issues, but otherwise are awesome machines for what I need. I've really fallen in love with the heavy duty Moko case for protecting against water damage/drops from the students.
I picked up 10 more 7th gens during the Prime sale. I opened one and tried to install Google Play and the Kiosk Browser with Launcher Hijacker. Not only do I have to deal with obnoxious lock screens, but it moves sluggishly slow compared to the custom rom I've been running on the 5th gens. If 5.4.0 isn't rooted within the next month, I'm returning all 10 to Amazon because they have zero worth to me in their current state.
I understand they might be selling the tablet as a loss leader for the ads, but their bloatware is awful. Truly a waste of awesome hardware.
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I If 5.4.0 isn't rooted within the next month, I'm returning all 10 to Amazon because they have zero worth to me in their current state.
I understand they might be selling the tablet as a loss leader for the ads, but their bloatware is awful. Truly a waste of awesome hardware.
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- securing root in the next 30 days is highly unlikely IMO
- Amazon has a sound business strategy; hardware and software are sold as a package and support that strategy
Hey Guys -
I've been using XDA for a few years now to mod my many other Android devices, but today; was talking to wife and she isn't happy with her Amazon Fire tablet as she says it's too slow and is sick of all the ads. It's a 7" 5th Generation running 5.6.0.1 and all I've done to it in the past is install Google Play on it.
What would be my best option / ROM to load which would basically turn it into a simple yet stable Android device? I looked at LineageOS & a couple of others in this forum, but unsure which is the most stable - and - if it's even possible to install any of them on a 5.6.0.1 device. I planned to test out a couple as I thought I had rooted when installing Google Play long ago so grabbed TWRP and installed FlashFire - but when launching FlashFire I was told it was not rooted.
What would you suggest be the way to go to achieve this goal? Thanks!
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Hey Guys -
I've been using XDA for a few years now to mod my many other Android devices, but today; was talking to wife and she isn't happy with her Amazon Fire tablet as she says it's too slow and is sick of all the ads. It's a 7" 5th Generation running 5.6.0.1 and all I've done to it in the past is install Google Play on it.
What would be my best option / ROM to load which would basically turn it into a simple yet stable Android device? I looked at LineageOS & a couple of others in this forum, but unsure which is the most stable - and - if it's even possible to install any of them on a 5.6.0.1 device. I planned to test out a couple as I thought I had rooted when installing Google Play long ago so grabbed TWRP and installed FlashFire - but when launching FlashFire I was told it was not rooted.
What would you suggest be the way to go to achieve this goal? Thanks!
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Unfortunately, allowing FireOS to update beyond 5.3.2.0 permanently removed the ability to root and/or install custom ROMs. It's FireOS in all it's glory from this point forward. There is a convoluted way to remove some of the Amazon bloat but you probably don't want to go there as it's not for the faint of heart. Most who travel that route have less than satisfactory outcomes. 5th/7th gen Fire 7 devices are getting long in the tooth and are decidedly underpowered for the tasks Amazon demands of it. Your better half is probably looking a new device if she is significantly dissatisfied.
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Unfortunately, allowing FireOS to update beyond 5.3.2.0 permanently removed the ability to root and/or install custom ROMs. It's FireOS in all it's glory from this point forward. There is a convoluted way to remove some of the Amazon bloat but you probably don't want to go there as it's not for the faint of heart. Most who travel that route have less than satisfactory outcomes. 5th/7th gen Fire 7 devices are getting long in the tooth and are decidedly underpowered for the tasks Amazon demands of it. Your better half is probably looking a new device if she is significantly dissatisfied.
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Some folks over in the HD 8/10 forum seem to be making headway with achieving root, some of which might apply to the Fire 7.
However, I do have to agree the 5th gen Fire 7 I have is barely a functional tablet at this point with the stock ROM.
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Some folks over in the HD 8/10 forum seem to be making headway with achieving root, some of which might apply to the Fire 7.
However, I do have to agree the 5th gen Fire 7 I have is barely a functional tablet at this point with the stock ROM.
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HD 10 has a different underlying architecture utilizing different kernel and ROM components exposing new vulnerabilities that are being exploited. Amazon will undoubtedly close those as do all manufactures. In contrast HD 8 uses the same architecture as the Fire 7. Realizing root on that device is highly unlikely.
It will be interest to see what Amazon does with the next hardware refresh. Me thinks the Fire 7 will be gone with either an adjustment on the HD 8 price point or the addition of some other gizmo to fill the gap.
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HD 10 has a different underlying architecture utilizing different kernel and ROM components exposing new vulnerabilities that are being exploited. Amazon will undoubtedly close those as do all manufactures. In contrast HD 8 uses the same architecture as the Fire 7. Realizing root on that device is highly unlikely.
It will be interest to see what Amazon does with the next hardware refresh. Me thinks the Fire 7 will be gone with either an adjustment on the HD 8 price point or the addition of some other gizmo to fill the gap.
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From what it looks like so far, it looks like the current progress for the Fire HD 8 is less so "root" and more like "uncovering hidden features we never knew we could use on Fire OS".
I do notice the Fire HD 8/HD 10 have gotten more of the spotlight recently. The Fire 7 (even the 2017 version) just isn't the $50 bargain it was two years ago. The HD 8 2017 has already dropped down to only $80 new.
Less people are buying the 7" tablet now, because it almost seems "too cheap". I do wonder what the Fire tablet lineup will be next year.
I bought the 7" recently and still consider it a pretty good bargain (I paid 40 Euros).
You could argue that the 8" it better value for money (I don't really know, but maybe) but for me the 7" form-factor is just perfect for a "everyday carry device".
The market for 7" tablet is not so big, you could get a Lenovo for about 80 Euro or a Samsung for about 120, that's about it if you want to avoid chinese no-names.
So it is by far the cheapest option and debloated and equipped with Google Playstore it is quite a nice device and I expect Amazon to drop the 7" line, so get it while you can...
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I bought the 7" recently and still consider it a pretty good bargain (I paid 40 Euros).
You could argue that the 8" it better value for money (I don't really know, but maybe) but for me the 7" form-factor is just perfect for a "everyday carry device".
The market for 7" tablet is not so big, you could get a Lenovo for about 80 Euro or a Samsung for about 120, that's about it if you want to avoid chinese no-names.
So it is by far the cheapest option and debloated and equipped with Google Playstore it is quite a nice device and I expect Amazon to drop the 7" line, so get it while you can...
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A gently used HDX is a far better device for similar coin. Far superior hardware and capable of running a dozen+ custom ROMs ranging from KitKat to Nougat (soon Oreo). I do enjoy my rooted 5th gen Fire for media streaming playback.