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Any ideas?
I have been experimenting with upgrading and down-grading my tab, it now seems that I can't flash any ROM that contains a hidden.rfs, the flash will just stop near the end of flashing the hidden.rfs and never continue, then I have to go through recovery processes to get a working tab back.
I managed to get my Tab back to CPW standard UK JJ3 by dumping the ROM from my other Tab and writing it, I then tried to update with Kies, which also hung at what seems to be exactly the same place.
I have tried repartitioning several times with the p1_add_hidden.pit but it just doesn't seem to work.
Any ideas? Can I check the size of the hidden partition see if that' the problem? Then modify the hidden.rfs to make it smaller so it fits?
Nobody at all got any feedback on this?
Anyone had any luck with this? I'm guessing it's a partitioning issue but it'd be good to know.
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Nobody at all got any feedback on this?
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It sounds like you're currently partitioned without the hidden partition. I would think flashing a full ROM like JJ4 with the P1_add_hidden.pit in Odin would be the fix.
After thats up and running, use my JMC upgrade package to safely upgrade.
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...use my JMC upgrade package to safely upgrade.
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Time to upgrade to JMD me thinks
rotohammer said:
It sounds like you're currently partitioned without the hidden partition. I would think flashing a full ROM like JJ4 with the P1_add_hidden.pit in Odin would be the fix.
After thats up and running, use my JMC upgrade package to safely upgrade.
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Roto i wanna ask you something. You say "safely" upgrade why ? Because on your FW's you remove the boot.bin and the SBL.bin ? So that a user wont be able to flash them and something go wrong ?
As far as i know my tab ( A euro one ), is factory unlocked and i will have no problem whatsoever in upgrading the bootloader and the baseband.
Isnt that right ?
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Roto i wanna ask you something. You say "safely" upgrade why ? Because on your FW's you remove the boot.bin and the SBL.bin ? So that a user wont be able to flash them and something go wrong ?
As far as i know my tab ( A euro one ), is factory unlocked and i will have no problem whatsoever in upgrading the bootloader and the baseband.
Isnt that right ?
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Unlocking is unrelated. I say safely because flashing a bootloader is the only thing that makes me squirm. If it fails your device is toast. I never want to give anyone firmware that has the potential to destroy their device. I'd feel bad
daniel.weck said:
Time to upgrade to JMD me thinks
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Me too : ) maybe tonight after my guests leave.
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Unlocking is unrelated. I say safely because flashing a bootloader is the only thing that makes me squirm. If it fails your device is toast. I never want to give anyone firmware that has the potential to destroy their device. I'd feel bad
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And you are so right in removing them...
The leaks from Samsung's servers of JM6/JMA/JMC/JMD flash a signed recovery, after flashing it is impossible to flash unsigned sbl, boot, and zImage. No more downgrade (and possibly upgrade).
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It sounds like you're currently partitioned without the hidden partition. I would think flashing a full ROM like JJ4 with the P1_add_hidden.pit in Odin would be the fix.
After thats up and running, use my JMC upgrade package to safely upgrade.
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I thought my original post covered this? I can't flash _any_ ROM that uses the hidden partition. I have tried repartitioning a dozen times wit hthe p1_add_hidden.pit, that goes through fine, but NO ROM, full or otherwise, down or up from my current one will successfully complete flashing the "hidden" partition.
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I thought my original post covered this? I can't flash _any_ ROM that uses the hidden partition.
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You never mentioned JJ4 or Odin specifically, hence my post. Unless you spell out exactly which firmwares you tried and which software you used to flash with, how can anyone offer assistance?
If you've tried ALL firmware and All flashing software, that leaves only your computer or Tab at fault.
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You never mentioned JJ4 or Odin specifically, hence my post. Unless you spell out exactly which firmwares you tried and which software you used to flash with, how can anyone offer assistance?
If you've tried ALL firmware and All flashing software, that leaves only your computer or Tab at fault.
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Im not really worried about my Tab, i just think its a cause for concern that somehow iv stumbled on this problem. If its just the flash in my tab thats damaged its not a problem.
I have tried every firmware available on samfirmware as well as ripping the firmware from an identical tab i have.
Neither Heimdall, Kies nor Odin (either version) would get past flashing hidden and they all stop at about the same point. I have tried flashing various firmware without hidden with no problems. If i then repartition it will flash about 80% of the hidden then just stops.
Problem isnt my pc, i have tried several machines and virtual machines.
I think its a curious problem that would be good to find the cause of.
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I think its a curious problem that would be good to find the cause of.
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I agree. Do you have time to jump on irc #ModADroid-Galaxy-Tablet?
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I agree. Do you have time to jump on irc #ModADroid-Galaxy-Tablet?
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Cant at the mo, just off out to visit family, xmas and all...
Ill get back to you later tonight?
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Cant at the mo, just off out to visit family, xmas and all...
Ill get back to you later tonight?
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Sure, we're about to get a blizzard on the east coast of the US, so I may be cancelling my family visiting plans. Just ping me later.
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Sure, we're about to get a blizzard on the east coast of the US, so I may be cancelling my family visiting plans. Just ping me later.
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I'm around and will hop on the channel now. Don't have too long but maybe we can look into this a bit.
I just noticed what has veen going on with tje secured boot loaders etc. I will check mine with the script once I get home from my trip tomorrow to see if any info froem my tab is relevent to fixing the problem. I noticed a mention of creating jigs, im not sure what hardware is required but I have a couple of usb-rs232 connectors on order for an unrelated project so if it requires the same hardware I can put a spare one to use and build a jtag/jig cable for the tab and see if I can help the cause.
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Question for rotohammer
Once upon a time I bricked my Verizon Galaxy Tab trying to flash a custom ROM, the only way I could bring it back was by using Odin and flashing the hidden pit. Now every time I install the original verizon rom my tab is extremely, extremely slow. I have been trying to reformat and wipe clean to start over, but I haven't had any luck.
Any suggestions on how to: either flash the right pit on it or remove the hidden partition? Anything I can do to bring my tab to full speed. I have also tried the overclocked rom with voodoo5, and at this point anything I put there is extremely slow. The only way I can get it to operate normally (Kind of) is to flash the Honeycomb Alpha rom, then restore to a day when it was working fine, however this breaks my auto rotate sensor.
That is how I use it now a days, but it sucks that I cannot use it on landscape mode.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Follow up from my previous question to rotohammer
By the way, just in case you were wondering, the rom I flashed to unbrick it was a GSM ROM, that was the only way to make it past the Samsung logo.
So, my theory is that I have problems with it because now I am trying to flash CDMA roms to a GSM partition/files system? Excuse me if my post does not make much sense or I am using the wrong terminology, I am extremely new a this. I just know enough to get myself in trouble.
Thank you again for any help.
I've encountered the same problem as the original poster. SGT with CPW CSC causes problems with the hidden.rfs when trying to flash ROMs. Does appear to be a size issue with the hidden partition - I wonder whether this has been sized incorrectly when it was originally flashed as re-partitioning doesn't help. I'm currently on a XEU ROM so I guess I'll find out when Gingerbread is officially released whether I can flash that or not. If not, I think it'll need to the internal SD card repartitioning.
Anyone got any tips on how to do this?
I need the Stock Firmware version G900AUCU2AND3 So that I can flash back to stock. In the thread return to stock it has the previous version G900AUCU1ANCE. I get a error when trying to odin back (SW REV CHECK FAIL : [about]Fused 2 > Binary 1). So I am not sure how its done but need someone who has it do a dump or how ever its done to get it in a way that it can be flashed either by odin or in recovery... Any help will be appreciated... Thanks
i will need this too, i have my phone on at&t next and after a year i can trade it in, but if its custom os and stuff i cant return it, so i will need this too if i want to return to stock so i can upgrade to a new phone next year.
Bump: This is needed very badly. As I imagine many people had to take that bloat ware update. If anyone that has this firm ware has a problem and needs to restore back to stock. They won't be able to use the one that's listed in on this forum as its the older one, and now that there is Root. Its very likely this will happen daily that people will need it. I don't know exactly what soft bricked my phone so it can happen to anyone. My phone was fine until a reboot. Please, please, please. I'm begging everyone that has it. I asked Samsung and they wouldn't help. Next maybe going to AT&T store and having warranty claim done. I don't really want to find the out come of that.
I need this very badly as well. I rooted my phone and then tried to alter my screen density via an app I found on Google Play. It requested root, I granted the permission and then when the phone rebooted it hung on "Samsung Galaxy S5" splash screen and will no go any further. ODIN will not allow me to flash G900AUCU1ANCE firmware since I did the OTA update. If anyone could post up their G900AUCU2AND3, I would appreciate it very much.
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I need this very badly as well. I rooted my phone and then tried to alter my screen density via an app I found on Google Play. It requested root, I granted the permission and then when the phone rebooted it hung on "Samsung Galaxy S5" splash screen and will no go any further. ODIN will not allow me to flash G900AUCU1ANCE firmware since I did the OTA update. If anyone could post up their G900AUCU2AND3, I would appreciate it very much.
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I estimate we will get @ least One to two of these per-day until we get the files. Since we now have Root. It may take a bit as At&t version don't seem to have much for devs. Or ones that care to really help.(I'll probably get reamed for this. Sorry for you that help and for your time) I contacted At&t they told me they could not help but I could send my phone in for warranty exchange. Its that or go to BestBuy and they can flash it back. I don't have a Bestbuy Nearby.
Guys, check that post. Shortydoggg found a temporary fix for any soft bricks. It's for extreme cases. My phone is fine (apart from some deleted stock apps) so I'll hold off until i get some more info but if you cant boot at all, his method should come in handy.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2785185&goto=newpost
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Guys, check that post. Shortydoggg found a temporary fix for any soft bricks. It's for extreme cases. My phone is fine (apart from some deleted stock apps) so I'll hold off until i get some more info but if you cant boot at all, his method should come in handy.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2785185&goto=newpost
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Thank you. The above link solved my problem. I am back up and running! At first data wasn't working other than wi-fi but I merely had to re-enter my APN that I got from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2746380 :good:
can you update to G900AUCU2AND3 after flashing this?
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can you update to G900AUCU2AND3 after flashing this?
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YUP, I did the AT&T update check and got it immediately afterwards. I instead of flashing every one separately and rebooting loaded the three files so minus the Bl file. I did not have the problems of having to reload APN this way.
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YUP, I did the AT&T update check and got it immediately afterwards. I instead of flashing every one separately and rebooting loaded the three files so minus the Bl file. I did not have the problems of having to reload APN this way.
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Thanks!!! :good:
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YUP, I did the AT&T update check and got it immediately afterwards. I instead of flashing every one separately and rebooting loaded the three files so minus the Bl file. I did not have the problems of having to reload APN this way.
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A flash of the CSC file restores the APN after flashing the AP file, or flashing it together with the AP file, but it factory resets the phone. Flashing the AP file only is mostly for those who do not want a factory reset. But, a factory reset along with flashing only the AP file will indeed wipe the APN. I found all of that out through trial and error.
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A flash of the CSC file restores the APN after flashing the AP file, or flashing it together with the AP file, but it factory resets the phone. Flashing the AP file only is mostly for those who do not want a factory reset. But, a factory reset along with flashing only the AP file will indeed wipe the APN. I found all of that out through trial and error.
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Thanks for your trials this will be useful to many.
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Thanks for your trials this will be useful to many.
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No problem.
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can you update to G900AUCU2AND3 after flashing this?
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Yes do not root first, flash it then wait a few minutes then do a check for updates it will download the crap update with the yp yellow pages app,
then reboot and root
and take it away !!
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Bump: This is needed very badly. As I imagine many people had to take that bloat ware update. If anyone that has this firm ware has a problem and needs to restore back to stock. They won't be able to use the one that's listed in on this forum as its the older one, and now that there is Root. Its very likely this will happen daily that people will need it. I don't know exactly what soft bricked my phone so it can happen to anyone. My phone was fine until a reboot. Please, please, please. I'm begging everyone that has it. I asked Samsung and they wouldn't help. Next maybe going to AT&T store and having warranty claim done. I don't really want to find the out come of that.
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Same troubles here pcidiot!!!! soft bricked and nothing will load onto the phone. ODIN gives me the same kind of error as listed on the starting thread! I can get to recovery mode and Download (ODIN) mode on the phone but nothing wants to flash. Do we dump? Do we Erase Nand? CONFUSING!!! why is it so easy to bunk up a phone!
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Same troubles here pcidiot!!!! soft bricked and nothing will load onto the phone. ODIN gives me the same kind of error as listed on the starting thread! I can get to recovery mode and Download (ODIN) mode on the phone but nothing wants to flash. Do we dump? Do we Erase Nand? CONFUSING!!! why is it so easy to bunk up a phone!
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There should only be two boxes checked in odin thats f. reset time and auto reboot. Also Make sure you only check and load your firmware in the ap slot in odin. Now flash.
Achilles5410 said:
Same troubles here pcidiot!!!! soft bricked and nothing will load onto the phone. ODIN gives me the same kind of error as listed on the starting thread! I can get to recovery mode and Download (ODIN) mode on the phone but nothing wants to flash. Do we dump? Do we Erase Nand? CONFUSING!!! why is it so easy to bunk up a phone!
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Are you following this guide?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53454972&postcount=1
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Are you following this guide?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53454972&postcount=1
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Yea I did thank you. Did it today and thanked the poster too.
Want to start over! Need help!
So I want to do whats written out in step 4 of shorttydogs thread but I don't want to mess up or brick my phone. My goal is to start over and go back to stock with bloatware and everything that is available on stock if I were to go AT&T and buy it today. Here is a little background on my phone. My phone is rooted and I do have safestrap (and busybox). I backed up everything on my microSD card. I also have the g900AUCU2AND3 firmware on my phone. In addition, I deleted some but not all AT&T bloatware, which I want back. Lastly, for some reason the "add call button" during my calls is missing and was replaced with a "record" button I think this was because of me playing around with xposed. I deleted xposed framework as well as wanam and tried everything to get the "add call button" back but I couldn't. Thus, I just want to go back to stock to fix all these issues. I just have a few questions before I proceed just to make sure I'm not doing anything wrong.
1) If I flash the AP, CP and CSC files will I achieve 100% stock with bloatware?
2) Will this return my "add call button"?
3) Is it as simple as just using odin 3.09 and flashing the AP, CP, and CSC files?
4) I also understand that this will take me back to G900AUCU1ANCE but will I be able to do an OTA do go to G900AUCU2AND3?
5) Is there anything else I need to know to prevent my phone from bricking!
Sorry for the long post but I am fairly new to this stuff and don't want mess anything up!
I am returning my phone back to stock so I can trade it in. I found a few threads on here that have ways to unroot but some seem questionable. Can anyone point me in the right direction to unroot an official Kit Kat updated device?
Thanks
Assuming you have supersu, uninstall all of your apps that have root access (for safestrap, busybox, etc make sure to uninstall the in-app stuff first), i would reboot here but that may not be necessary...then open up supersu and choose "full unroot". Then factory reset and double check status is official ☺
If you get a custom screen after that try rerooting then full unroot with supersu again
Edit: I stand corrected - flashing NC2 with Odin is easiest
Yeah I have su. So before I do this should I restore my stock rom I have backed up via safestrap? I am currently running dynamic kat 5.0
You can also reinstall factory firmware with Odin, then factory reset.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2703006
Awesome, I will give that a try when my upgrade is closer. Thank you
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You can also reinstall factory firmware with Odin, then factory reset.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2703006
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konaman said:
Awesome, I will give that a try when my upgrade is closer. Thank you
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Yea @440bro 's suggestion is way easier since Odin removes all of that! unroot with SuperSU does work but it's a long way around for just returning to stock
please help
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You can also reinstall factory firmware with Odin, then factory reset.
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]I have similar situation except I have an iMac running OS X Mavericks. Could anyone tell me if it's possible to unroot my AT&T Note 3 to stock ROM to sell? I installed stock custom rom using safestrap but when I reboot or turn device on, I get a safestrap enabled cartoon thing asking to continue or recover. I don't think people will want to buy phone if they saw this sick looking robot thing when they switch it on. Please help...Phone too big for my hands. Thank you
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440bro said:
You can also reinstall factory firmware with Odin, then factory reset.
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]I have similar situation except I have an iMac running OS X Mavericks. Could anyone tell me if it's possible to unroot my AT&T Note 3 to stock ROM to sell? I installed stock custom rom using safestrap but when I reboot or turn device on, I get a safestrap enabled cartoon thing asking to continue or recover. I don't think people will want to buy phone if they saw this sick looking robot thing when they switch it on. Please help...Phone too big for my hands. Thank you
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Did you backup stock rom before you flashed the custom rom in safestrap? if yes, reflash your backup in safestrap then the steps in post #2 should work. If no, I'm really not sure how going through that unroot process with SuperSU while still on a custom rom would work out...Odin is much easier and more reliable so if there's any way you can get to a PC you might want to go that route.
Also if you're selling online you might find some people who do want to buy a rooted Note 3...I sold a phone on swappa a few months ago and there were people looking specifically for rooted phones. The 'cartoon thing' is safestrap and is exactly what you want to see when you turn on a rooted AT&T Note 3
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thank you
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440bro said:
You can also reinstall factory firmware with Odin, then factory reset.
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]I have similar situation except I have an iMac running OS X Mavericks. Could anyone tell me if it's possible to unroot my AT&T Note 3 to stock ROM to sell? I installed stock custom rom using safestrap but when I reboot or turn device on, I get a safestrap enabled cartoon thing asking to continue or recover. I don't think people will want to buy phone if they saw this sick looking robot thing when they switch it on. Please help...Phone too big for my hands. Thank you
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braddy66 said:
Did you backup stock rom before you flashed the custom rom in safestrap? if yes, reflash your backup in safestrap then the steps in post #2 should work. If no, I'm really not sure how going through that unroot process with SuperSU while still on a custom rom would work out...Odin is much easier and more reliable so if there's any way you can get to a PC you might want to go that route.
Also if you're selling online you might find some people who do want to buy a rooted Note 3...I sold a phone on swappa a few months ago and there were people looking specifically for rooted phones. The 'cartoon thing' is safestrap and is exactly what you want to see when you turn on a rooted AT&T Note 3
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Thanks for your feel good message...made my day. I thought I backed up stock rom however being an obviously root virgin...When I went to factory reset, everything was gone except for my ugly cartoony friend. Luckily I am able to read in small doses so I was able to do whatever it was I did to get her running factory...still rooted and unlocked. When you mentioned that people on swappa might be interested in a rooted device WITH my lonely friend at startup? I felt all fuzzy. I will post an ad on swappa later today in your honor my mysterious phoneguardian angel. Thanks again.
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Looks like I'll need to go the long route to unroot. I have a Mac book and I can't find Odin for it
Hi,
I have an unbranded and unlocked nexus 6. I wanted to root and install twrp so I can begin flashing custom roms... Only problem is, I don't have a pc at home to ADB flash twrp, etc.... Is there any method to flash custom rom without having a machine at home? I have absolutely no need for a pc at home, until this precise moment when I get a new phone and I want to start flashing, lol. Im gonna assuming the answer is NO, im thinking there may be some OTG method with files from a thumb drive, but I'll wait to hear from the experts. Thanks in advance.
I have been wondering that very question myself. I really doubt it's possible, but since I have had my N6 and LG G Pad, I don't ever use my antique Pentium 4 Dell PC hardly at all.
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It's totally possible but highly recommended against. There is an app to root, which then you use flashify to flash recovery but if you ever have a problem, you won't be able to fix it because you need a PC to get a rom back on your phone if you accidentally wipe the os or do some other mischief that prevents you booting, you wont be able.to unlock your bootloader which means you won't be able.to.flash stock or return for warranty purposes either, so as.much as you want to do this, it would really put you in an awful position and you'd be screwed if something goes wrong, which the chances are, it will.
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It's totally possible but highly recommended against. There is an app to root, which then you use flashify to flash recovery but if you ever have a problem, you won't be able to fix it because you need a PC to get a rom back on your phone if you accidentally wipe the os or do some other mischief that prevents you booting, you wont be able.to unlock your bootloader which means you won't be able.to.flash stock or return for warranty purposes either, so as.much as you want to do this, it would really put you in an awful position and you'd be screwed if something goes wrong, which the chances are, it will.
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I have no issues with the first potential problem you mentioned (having to get a rom back on phone using a pc) because I have a backup phone, plus if it gets to that stage, I can use a friends computer if I really need to. But the last comment you made about the chances of an error occurring and saying that it most likely will and i'll be unable to get it back to stock scares me. Is this method really that unreliable? I will read up on it more, and search through the forums.
If you can provide details of the app to root, that would be great. Also, how reliable is the app to root alone by itself? Minus the flashify portion...
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I have no issues with the first potential problem you mentioned (having to get a rom back on phone using a pc) because I have a backup phone, plus if it gets to that stage, I can use a friends computer if I really need to. But the last comment you made about the chances of an error occurring and saying that it most likely will and i'll be unable to get it back to stock scares me. Is this method really that unreliable? I will read up on it more, and search through the forums.
If you can provide details of the app to root, that would be great. Also, how reliable is the app to root alone by itself? Minus the flashify portion...
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It's not the method that's unreliable the app "kingroot" (I believe it is called) works fine. The issues occur with everything and anything else root users do. Flashing a rom, a mod, wiping the os via recovery etc.
Then if anything hardware goes wrong, returning the device for repair under warranty will likely be rejected if its not stock.
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It's not the method that's unreliable the app "kingroot" (I believe it is called) works fine. The issues occur with everything and anything else root users do. Flashing a rom, a mod, wiping the os via recovery etc.
Then if anything hardware goes wrong, returning the device for repair under warranty will likely be rejected if its not stock.
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Gotcha, so maybe I can just root and install apks of apps I really want like adaway, etc... then I should be fine as long as im not using the flash method correct?
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Gotcha, so maybe I can just root and install apks of apps I really want like adaway, etc... then I should be fine as long as im not using the flash method correct?
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I'm not going to commit to an answer there
One thing I will say though, you'll never be able to update with an OTA, so if you're going to root, have a custom recovery,. Allow.oem unlock and have an unlocked bootloader.
Best bet is to do the proper.routing and unlocking using your friends of as a one off. You can then safely.maintain the phone without a pc and use the pc in am emergency. Not unlocking the bootloader from the beginning is.asking.for.trouble
Man I need a new keyboard
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I'm not going to commit to an answer there
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lol I understand.. thx m8
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lol I understand.. thx m8
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Edit above
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I'm not going to commit to an answer there
One thing I will say though, you'll never be able to update with an OTA, so if you're going to root, have a custom recovery,. Allow.oem unlock and have an unlocked bootloader.
Best bet is to do the proper.routing and unlocking using your friends of as a one off. You can then safely.maintain the phone without a pc and use the pc in am emergency. Not unlocking the bootloader from the beginning is.asking.for.trouble
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k, I already used the kingroot method and verified using root checker. Installed adaway and everything seems to work perfectly (so far anyway). Uninstalling Kingroot unroots the phone from my quick series of test that I've run so OTA updates doesn't seem like it'll be a problem.
I agree though, if I really want to do any rom flashing, ill just unlock, root, and flash using "proper methods".
Appreciate all your help man.
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k, I already used the kingroot method and verified using root checker. Installed adaway and everything seems to work perfectly (so far anyway). Uninstalling Kingroot unroots the phone from my quick series of test that I've run so OTA updates doesn't seem like it'll be a problem.
I agree though, if I really want to do any rom flashing, ill just unlock, root, and flash using "proper methods".
Appreciate all your help man.
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Uninstalling Kingroot removes root but does not uninstall all modified files. Will show as modified and thus no OTA updates. Another thread on same thing here somewhere. Have to flash system back to stock with PC for any updates.
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It's also not safe to update without bootloader unlocked anyway. Too many reported bootloops with OTA.
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Uninstalling Kingroot removes root but does not uninstall all modified files. Will show as modified and thus no OTA updates. Another thread on same thing here somewhere. Have to flash system back to stock with PC for any updates.
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It's also not safe to update without bootloader unlocked anyway. Too many reported bootloops with OTA.
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Exactly this. All root methods edit.existing files but do not restore them after unroot. So the system is modified. We're.100% certain there will be no OTA.
Unlock the bootloader and do it properly.
Ok thanks guys. I guess eventually I'll have to get my hands on a PC lol. Thanks again
(originally posted in the flashfire threads, but it was suggested I post here)
My apologies if this has already been covered (I could not find an answer in searching)
I appreciate that it can be dangerous to use flashfire to flash the bootloader partition and that one should use fastboot. My question is:
If I download a FW package and the bootloader has changed, what happens if I flash to the kernel, system, cache, vendor etc... and do not flash to bootloader and radio? Will the flash fail; will the phone soft brick; will nothing happen and I can go merrily along?
The question derives from this: If the phone can become unusable with a mismatched bootload and radio to the rest of the images, it would require to unpack the package and check for a version prior to flashing other partitions (so I assume). If I go that far, would it not be easier to not use flashfire and simply manually flash the required files when updates are available?
Thanks
N6, unlocked and rooted (previously always updating latest patches and rerooting myself (using TWRP), but wishing to try flashire)
RLBL said:
(originally posted in the flashfire threads, but it was suggested I post here)
My apologies if this has already been covered (I could not find an answer in searching)
I appreciate that it can be dangerous to use flashfire to flash the bootloader partition and that one should use fastboot. My question is:
If I download a FW package and the bootloader has changed, what happens if I flash to the kernel, system, cache, vendor etc... and do not flash to bootloader and radio? Will the flash fail; will the phone soft brick; will nothing happen and I can go merrily along?
The question derives from this: If the phone can become unusable with a mismatched bootload and radio to the rest of the images, it would require to unpack the package and check for a version prior to flashing other partitions (so I assume). If I go that far, would it not be easier to not use flashfire and simply manually flash the required files when updates are available?
Thanks
N6, unlocked and rooted (previously always updating latest patches and rerooting myself (using TWRP), but wishing to try flashire)
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it is really rare that a bootloader flash is required, and a radio update is never required. if you dont flash them, then you just dont flash them, thats all.
I'd add that going to a major update you'll want to pay close attention. The bootloader probably will need updating. e.g. lollipop to MM, the bootloader had to be updated.
The radio is optional and often with trial and error, you'll find a particular one that for your hardware, in your area, you get the best signal. There is a thread with N6 flashable radios here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3066052.
Had you posted that you had an N6 in your original post, I'd have helped you, because that's what I use
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I'd add that going to a major update you'll want to pay close attention. The bootloader probably will need updating. e.g. lollipop to MM, the bootloader had to be updated.
The radio is optional and often with trial and error, you'll find a particular one that for your hardware, in your area, you get the best signal. There is a thread with N6 flashable radios.
Had you posted that you had an N6 in your original post, I'd have helped you, because that's what I use
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both mm a lollipop, i never updated my bootloader. i did update it after mm though.
ktmom said:
I'd add that going to a major update you'll want to pay close attention. The bootloader probably will need updating. e.g. lollipop to MM, the bootloader had to be updated.
The radio is optional and often with trial and error, you'll find a particular one that for your hardware, in your area, you get the best signal. There is a thread with N6 flashable radios here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3066052.
Had you posted that you had an N6 in your original post, I'd have helped you, because that's what I use
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Oh That looks interesting. My Cellular signal sucks even though I am supposedly close to some towers. I am going to try using flashfire with these (hope I don't brick myself lol)
So I assume that when N comes out officially and I need to change bootloaders, I would do so via fasboot, then afterwards I can the the updates via fashfire.
RLBL said:
Oh That looks interesting. My Cellular signal sucks even though I am supposedly close to some towers. I am going to try using flashfire with these (hope I don't brick myself lol)
So I assume that when N comes out officially and I need to change bootloaders, I would do so via fasboot, then afterwards I can the the updates via fashfire.
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all the radios, and bootloaders, are available in flashable zip for here on xda as well. to flash via twrp recovery
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all the radios, and bootloaders, are available in flashable zip for here on xda as well. to flash via twrp recovery
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Cool... But I only used TWRP to flash the SU binaries to root. Now that I am rooted, I figured I could simply go back to stock recovery* and use flashfire going forward.
* I figured that because I had no other use for for a custom recovery presently, I may as well stay completely stock and rooted. Furthermore, from my understanding (which can be wrong) I no longer need a custom recovery to flash/install anything, as flashfire can do it all. Of course that brings one to ask "why am I rooted if I am staying stock?". I root my device so I can simulate a power button press without cancelling smart lock operations (either through tasker shell keyevent, gravity screen, or nova prime swipe gesture). I like not having to use the buttons on my phone
Why get rid of custom recovery? Just leave it and keep a backup on hand, then when there is an issue with basically anything you can just restore your backup instead of freaking out and running here using caps and exclamation marks asking how to fix.
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Why get rid of custom recovery? Just leave it and keep a backup on hand, then when there is an issue with basically anything you can just restore your backup instead of freaking out and running here using caps and exclamation marks asking how to fix.
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1 - why use a custom recovery if I do not need to (serious question, not being confrontational - see below)
2 - I totally know how to flash to whatever I want without using any toolkits (and ofc using a custom recovery)
3 - Why would one assume that one panics? (just because I have a low post count and admittedly an Android noob - N6 1st phone - does not mean I am an idiot)
4 - Considering I am not using custom ROMs and staying stock, I would think the likelihood of things going wrong is low (could be totally wrong there lol but I have done everything myself manually since the get go (never even taken an OTA for my upgrades), and never had 1 issue as of yet. This post was a general question in nature. It was not posted because I needed something to be fixed)
If I do not need it, why have it: I am experimenting to see if I can use FF completely stock (and rooted). Please provide some rationale as to why I should keep a custom recovery so I can evaluate (you may be 100% right). The point is: from my understanding one can use FF without a custom recovery so why not try... so far, so good.
On backups: be aware (not that you should care, but you did comment)... I have nothing on my phone that requires backing up at that... I can completely wipe the phone and it only takes time to do a google restore and I am back to where I am (been there, done that. Annoying for time though lol but I have no data on the phone safe from tasker profiles which are on my google drive and easily restored).
And what happens when you flash a bootloader and something screws up? You can't fix it from the stock recovery menu, now can you. So what not have something useful on the recovery partition for that 1 and 1000 chance something goes wrong.... Just my opinion, being I've been flashing phones since the first Android device was released on T-Mobile. The g1 (still have and still flash Roms
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RLBL said:
1 - why use a custom recovery if I do not need to (serious question, not being confrontational - see below)
2 - I totally know how to flash to whatever I want without using any toolkits (and ofc using a custom recovery)
3 - Why would one assume that one panics? (just because I have a low post count and admittedly an Android noob - N6 1st phone - does not mean I am an idiot)
4 - Considering I am not using custom ROMs and staying stock, I would think the likelihood of things going wrong is low (could be totally wrong there lol but I have done everything myself manually since the get go (never even taken an OTA for my upgrades), and never had 1 issue as of yet. This post was a general question in nature. It was not posted because I needed something to be fixed)
If I do not need it, why have it: I am experimenting to see if I can use FF completely stock (and rooted). Please provide some rationale as to why I should keep a custom recovery so I can evaluate (you may be 100% right). The point is: from my understanding one can use FF without a custom recovery so why not try... so far, so good.
On backups: be aware (not that you should care, but you did comment)... I have nothing on my phone that requires backing up at that... I can completely wipe the phone and it only takes time to do a google restore and I am back to where I am (been there, done that. Annoying for time though lol but I have no data on the phone safe from tasker profiles which are on my google drive and easily restored).
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1. the only one important thing about having twrp installed.. backups and restores. before dlashing or changing anything, i akways create a backup in twrp. if something doesnt work out, you can always restore your backup, as ive done many many times. its a quicky fix it.
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And what happens when you flash a bootloader and something screws up? You can't fix it from the stock recovery menu, now can you. So what not have something useful on the recovery partition for that 1 and 1000 chance something goes wrong.... Just my opinion, being I've been flashing phones since the first Android device was released on T-Mobile. The g1 (still have and still flash Roms
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I think that was the whole point of my post was it not? What happens if you DON'T flash a bootloader while using FF (but in the case where it did change)? And like I said, in the 1/1000 chance that something does go wrong and I did not have a backup: Flash the complete package via adb? Like I said, I have nothing to backup, thus nothing to recover. Not saying I shouldn't, just saying I don't. I only used TWRP to gain root access, nothing more (no custom ROMs, kernels, optimizations, anything on my phone...not even local app data saves - I am one of those old farts who uses their phone as a PDA with phone capabilities and that is it. All "data" is cloud based for calendar info etc.)
It was a relatively simple (general) question around some experimentation I am doing to see if it would work if one was completely stock (safe from root); did not think it would turn in an philosophical argument on whether or not one should use a stock recovery (which I have been using a custom up until yesterday, but was thinking about putting it back on this evening anyways, just because)
Anyways, got my answer... thx
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1. the only one important thing about having twrp installed.. backups and restores. before dlashing or changing anything, i akways create a backup in twrp. if something doesnt work out, you can always restore your backup, as ive done many many times. its a quicky fix it.
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Thanks!... Obviously when I do venture into more with the phone I will do that. Currently it is a work and personal device so the only thing I do is flash Google stock builds instead of waiting for OTAs. Not saying I should not have a backup, but I don't. Only once after the 1st flash I re-locked the bootloader (as per instructions). What I waste of time; but it did show me that in a non-efficient disaster recovery, I can get everything back to where I was.
A restore would have been efficient, but I have found that I really have nothing to back up.. yet.
I guess a (off-topic) question I have for you is: What and Why did things not work out? In my case where I am only flashing stock loads (not waiting for OTAs), what could one anticipate going wrong that a re-flash could not recover from, but a restore could? Example a write corruption of a partition and the only thing I can do is boot into recovery as my PC cannot see the phone via adb? Can something like that happen?
Backing up system is what saves your a**
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Backing up system is what saves your a**
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cool... but... what if you are stock? Save my ass from what? Will a (re)flash of stock binaries not suffice?
Look I appreciate I am sounding argumentative, but I am curious to understand what can happen and why. I can understand the "need" to do it if customizing a device etc... but I am very curious as to why if you are stock:
example:
A stock user unlocks his bootloader so they can flash files straight from google be it OTAs or the complete package. It is not listed anywhere to have a custom recovery in their instructions which would lead one to believe it is not required if flashing said files... I assume something could go wrong of course and the most efficient way is to do a restore from backup... but I also assume one could simply re-flash and start over.
I am not devaluating the merits of a custom recovery; I was just curious if one could use (easily) flash fire without one - and one can. The purpose of the question was two-fold:
- because I was flashing stock, then reflashing twrp to get root I found the process longer than it needed to be so I thought I could use flashfire and have it do it for me.
- then I realized that flashing re-roots as well so I did not need to flash the custom recovery to obtain root. I thought "hey what if I accidentally checked "recovery" and accidentally went back to stock. No harm done as I can move on and still be rooted.
Not sure my butt needs saving to ask. You may be doing something that having backups is a good and safe idea... what if you are not? No harm in still using a custom of course, but it was just a question (I ask such questions so I know in advance why something happened and what to do so I do not come running to forums in all caps as someone else said lol)
off topic: If one has nothing to backup, what is there to restore?
RLBL said:
cool... but... what if you are stock? Save my ass from what? Will a (re)flash of stock binaries not suffice?
Look I appreciate I am sounding argumentative, but I am curious to understand what can happen and why. I can understand the "need" to do it if customizing a device etc... but I am very curious as to why if you are stock:
example:
A stock user unlocks his bootloader so they can flash files straight from google be it OTAs or the complete package. It is not listed anywhere to have a custom recovery in their instructions which would lead one to believe it is not required if flashing said files... I assume something could go wrong of course and the most efficient way is to do a restore from backup... but I also assume one could simply re-flash and start over.
I am not devaluating the merits of a custom recovery; I was just curious if one could use (easily) flash fire without one - and one can. The purpose of the question was two-fold:
- because I was flashing stock, then reflashing twrp to get root I found the process longer than it needed to be so I thought I could use flashfire and have it do it for me.
- then I realized that flashing re-roots as well so I did not need to flash the custom recovery to obtain root. I thought "hey what if I accidentally checked "recovery" and accidentally went back to stock. No harm done as I can move on and still be rooted.
Not sure my butt needs saving to ask. You may be doing something that having backups is a good and safe idea... what if you are not? No harm in still using a custom of course, but it was just a question (I ask such questions so I know in advance why something happened and what to do so I do not come running to forums in all caps as someone else said lol)
off topic: If one has nothing to backup, what is there to restore?
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its all a matter of choice, period.
flashing stock, you dont need to do anything. flashing different mods, custom roms, gapps, or supersu, you need to use twrp recovery. you can even flash twrp to be permenant or flash twrp for a one time use. if you are flashing custom roms/mods regularly, its convieniant to have twrp, if your not it doesnt matter. but the one thing twrp is great for is backing up, in case. and you dont need many back ups, just one recent backup. so you can back up, then get rid of twrp until needed again. anyways, its all a personal choice, and thats all it is. for me, flashing twrp then leaving it makes sense, since ill never ever do anything stock. for you, you have your own needs and wants.
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its all a matter of choice, period.
flashing stock, you dont need to do anything. flashing different mods, custom roms, gapps, or supersu, you need to use twrp recovery. you can even flash twrp to be permenant or flash twrp for a one time use. if you are flashing custom roms/mods regularly, its convieniant to have twrp, if your not it doesnt matter. but the one thing twrp is great for is backing up, in case. and you dont need many back ups, just one recent backup. so you can back up, then get rid of twrp until needed again. anyways, its all a personal choice, and thats all it is. for me, flashing twrp then leaving it makes sense, since ill never ever do anything stock. for you, you have your own needs and wants.
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Thank you for answering the question.
I figure when this phone (or whichever phone) is not my daily driver and no longer linked to sensitive stuff I will start venturing into the domain of custom ROMs and Kernels.
RLBL said:
Thank you for answering the question.
I figure when this phone (or whichever phone) is not my daily driver and no longer linked to sensitive stuff I will start venturing into the domain of custom ROMs and Kernels.
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custom recoveries just make things easier for you, overall, to do stuff. but kernels, that could be the bomb. but you will need to learn about how to use governors/schedulers to make any kind of headways. for example, i use a completely different governor/scheduler(ondemand/deadline) than any other nexus kernel, and i feel that my way makes my phone much better/faster than any other setup. and thats whats important to me
Update: test passed (I knew it would)
With a stock recovery, I was able to use flashfire and upgrade to the latest update and re-root.