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Froyo out, Camera still 4:3?

What is Google thinking releasing a camera app with only 4:3 instead of widescreen?
No touch to focus... why!? This is like a standard an most phones now. The camera supports it, why not use it?

Because photos look wrong in 16:9?
I hated it when I had the Desire ROM on the phone, and all they end up doing is cropping of the a bit from the top/bottom which you could do yourself in any good photo editing software.

What about touch to focus?
And just because you like 4:3 doesn't mean everyone does or should.

Just because you don't like 4:3 doesn't mean everyone doesn't or shouldn't.

bcpk said:
Just because you don't like 4:3 doesn't mean everyone doesn't or shouldn't.
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They could have added both, and let you choose.

x986123 said:
They could have added both, and let you choose.
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It would've just been a cropped 4:3 image anyways, I don't really see the point. It has to be either a cropped 4:3 image or a cropped 16:9 image, you make the choice...
Here you have a 4:3 image from the sensor, you can crop it any way you like.

Both as options would have been tits.
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13MP in 16:9

Hi,can someone change aspect ratio in 13MP from 4:3 to 16:9 because I took pictures in 16:9 but for Xperia Z is it only 9MP .
It could to be happy

dryla said:
Hi,can someone change aspect ratio in 13MP from 4:3 to 16:9 because I took pictures in 16:9 but for Xperia Z is it only 9MP .
It could to be happy
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+1. Would be great. I hate that grey/black cut when using 13 MP... somehow it should be possible to show 16:9 but shoot in 13MP...
Would be fantastic! Even if in liveview the sides would be cut off and not visible!
Maybe some Xposed framework-dev can do something about that?
There is one xposed-module which shoots 20MP (Z1) / 13MP (Z) in superior mode... I'll ask that dev if he can try to get rid of the black/grey cut
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Can someone make this? Please

I belive it is impossible due to aspect ratios being different. If you really want 13mp at 16:9, the image would probably have to look stretched

You dont know what megapixel is? The reason 16:9 is 9MP is because it's just a cropped 13MP shot. There's no real widescreen on these phones, so there's not much point to use anything except 4:3 13MP. Later, on your computer, you can crop the images if you really feel like getting that pseudowidescreen feel. What I'd love to see is if someone could make a mod so the camera could shoot in 4:3 HD, instead of "widescreen" HD only. Like 960x720.

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You dont know what megapixel is? The reason 16:9 is 9MP is because it's just a cropped 13MP shot. There's no real widescreen on these phones, so there's not much point to use anything except 4:3 13MP. Later, on your computer, you can crop the images if you really feel like getting that pseudowidescreen feel. What I'd love to see is if someone could make a mod so the camera could shoot in 4:3 HD, instead of "widescreen" HD only. Like 960x720.
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And you probably didn't get what we are searching for:
Shooting with 13MP but without the ugly dark grey background behind the buttons (shall be transparent like in 9MP-mode): see screenshot.
As already said: I wouldn't care if the LiveView would crop the left/right pixel, as long as the resulting image has 13MP

this app will do it for u!
it's normally paid, but i have it in my computer for free for everyone
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Hi,can someone change aspect ratio in 13MP from 4:3 to 16:9 because I took pictures in 16:9 but for Xperia Z is it only 9MP .
It could to be happy
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sea2605 said:
And you probably didn't get what we are searching for:
Shooting with 13MP but without the ugly dark grey background behind the buttons (shall be transparent like in 9MP-mode): see screenshot.
As already said: I wouldn't care if the LiveView would crop the left/right pixel, as long as the resulting image has 13MP
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I still don't get it. Do you want to take a 4:3 picture but make it so it looks like 16:9 on your screen so that the camera app looks nicer?

Erm, Google Stock 4.3 Camera??
Erm Despite of having JPEG 13MP in 16:9 Ratio, how about "feeling" of snapping 13MP pictures in 16:9ratio?
I found this thread here and installed without root access. It provides Google Stock Gallery and Camera. PhotoSphere working, everything working under 4.3 stock firmware. So give a try?
Example of screenshot cropped under my screen without navigation bar (I was unable to screenshoot directly because the camera used it as shutter button) It was 16:9 UI looks using 13MP, but output of picture is 4:3
PS: If this helpful, pls don't mind to hit "thanks" button here and original thread ya Cheers
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Woah. Now some people like 16:9 ratio photos...
Maybe someday, phones use 16:9 sensor?
Back in old days, 35mm film is 3:2. Digital photography changes to 4:3 (still 3:2 for high-end/DSLR). Now 16:9 because of phone screen?
for who wants 13MP in Xperia Z -> you can't. That pixel and ratio is because of the hardware, not the software
If you want real 13MP in 16:9 ratio - you must change the image sensor (hardware that captures color and changes to voltage)

~iPod~nano~ said:
Woah. Now some people like 16:9 ratio photos...
Maybe someday, phones use 16:9 sensor?
Back in old days, 35mm film is 3:2. Digital photography changes to 4:3 (still 3:2 for high-end/DSLR). Now 16:9 because of phone screen?
for who wants 13MP in Xperia Z -> you can't. That pixel and ratio is because of the hardware, not the software
If you want real 13MP in 16:9 ratio - you must change the image sensor (hardware that captures color and changes to voltage)
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Indeed. But I think these people just want the 16:9 look on-screen but 4:3 result in picture. Meaning, they dont mind that they cant see the entire 4:3 photo they're taking, on the screen.
All for the sake of how it looks.

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This matter has been handled and closed
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Guys, i want to shoot 13 MP photos in 16:9 aspect ratio, so that while shooting the grey background will be gone and also the picture should be shown in 16:9 ratio in the album. So it will look like i have taken a widescreen picture in 13 MP mode. Is there any possible app or a mod that can be used to tweak the camera?

For that to happen, you would have to change the resolution of the image captured by the camera sensor and I don't think that's possible without stretching it as previously stated.
As previously discussed, the 16:9 aspect ratio settings available in the stock camera are simply crops of a larger 4:3 image.
I'm no expert on digital photography, but that's how I understand it. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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About camera?

Hi to all
I have several questions about P20 Pro camera:
1. Did x3 optical zoom and x5 hybrid zoo. Have OIS? (Are they stable like optical zoom on S9+?)
2. Did it recording in 1080p 60fps?
3. Can "light fusion technology " be use for 40mp or just dor 10mp?
4. They didn't tell us so much about video recording. Is video recording better then S9+ or not? (I don't believe to DXO mark, but theysey that P20 Pro have better video recording)
5. Did P20 Pro have better HDR like Pixel Xl 2 and S9?
6. Can I use panorama on RGB sensors (40mp)?
7. I see on Youtube that in Pro mode they have just 3200 ISO, but they show us a 102400 ISO. So the camera is not with last software update?
8. Main camera (40mp) dont have OIS? And is AIS like EIS?

Zoom sensor has OIS. The other two don’t.
Light fusion is 10mp Output.
Dxomark rated the video equal to the Pixel 2 scoring overall. They did say it was one of the best at video.
Yes, hence the 114 dxomark photo score. It doesn’t need the Pixel way of making photos using HDR+.
The ISO might be in Auto Mode at that level, but it can do it.
AIS uses some EIS and then AI to correct photo. Huawei say it’s better than OIS which wouldn’t surprise me if true.

gavinfabl said:
Zoom sensor has OIS. The other two don’t.
Light fusion is 10mp Output.
Dxomark rated the video equal to the Pixel 2 scoring overall. They did say it was one of the best at video.
Yes, hence the 114 dxomark photo score. It doesn’t need the Pixel way of making photos using HDR+.
The ISO might be in Auto Mode at that level, but it can do it.
AIS uses some EIS and then AI to correct photo. Huawei say it’s better than OIS which wouldn’t surprise me if true.
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Thx a lot for your answer i have two more question:
Can I use camera manual mode with 40mp and diffrent ISO?
And, I never usw Huawei, did it have manual video mod like LG V30?

isko01 said:
Thx a lot for your answer i have two more question:
Can I use camera manual mode with 40mp and diffrent ISO?
And, I never usw Huawei, did it have manual video mod like LG V30?
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Yes and yes.

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Yes and yes.
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Thx and thx thx a lot

Camera samples from the devices at the launch.

All the 10MP samples I've seen look excellent. Certainly better than anything currently on the market.
Even in good light, the 40MP shots appear to be poorly lit and also lacking contrast .. I suspect due to both the huge amount of data being read by the camera software, and the very large resulting image, both metering and post processing are highly suspect. I'm sure it will improve with time, but I suspect that it would benefit from Huawei's next-gen SoC.
Zoom lens / sensor photos are surprisingly decent, as is the hybrid zoom.
What I'm most interested in seeing is image stacking / HDR on the main sensor's 10MP output, if it can do that. Huawei's image stacking / HDR has been a lot weaker than Samsung / Google / Open Camera etc previously.
P.S. For anyone wondering, from what I've been told the main 1/1.7" sensor is a Panasonic one.

I have S8 and S9 os not big difference in camera. SO I would like to buy P20 Pro, BUT it really need to be very good camera much better then S8. But what I see from Forbes I was very sad... The P20 Pro is not big improvement from s8, S9 and Iphon x...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bensin...tout-huawei-p20-pro-vs-iphone-x/#bfc5e745d33b
And if the 40mp camera dark in good light, and you can use it for good photo, why then buy this phone? Why did they put 40mp if they dont have "Renesansa" pgoro and video?
P.S. lets meka a Group in telegram about P20 Pro...

The 10MP output looks a lot better than anything on the market, including your S8 and S9.
It has 40MP because that's the sensor's native resolution. This sensor is used in cameras usually, not phones ... and they have far more sophisticated metering, lenses and dedicated image processing hardware, and can make some use of the 40MP - albeit even then the images usually look far better at a lower multiple of the native resolution, or downscaled. Dynamic range is far better - also seen on the P20 Pro.
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But we're not going to get anything that compares even vaguely well to a half decent camera until we go to larger sensors still, or multi sensor arrays. As I said elsewhere, at least one major smartphone maker is working on a prototype of a phone with a 1" sensor ... whether it sees the light of day will possibly depend on how many units the P20 Pro sells.

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The 10MP output looks a lot better than anything on the market, including your S8 and S9.
It has 40MP because that's the sensor's native resolution. This sensor is used in cameras usually, not phones ... and they have far more sophisticated metering, lenses and dedicated image processing hardware, and can make some use of the 40MP - albeit even then the images usually look far better at a lower multiple of the native resolution, or downscaled. Dynamic range is far better - also seen on the P20 Pro.
But we're not going to get anything that compares even vaguely well to a half decent camera until we go to larger sensors still, or multi sensor arrays. As I said elsewhere, at least one major smartphone maker is working on a prototype of a phone with a 1" sensor ... whether it sees the light of day will possibly depend on how many units the P20 Pro sells.
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Thx for you a answer
So they are not possibility to make with update 40mp much better, or good like 10 mp?
I think if they put better pixel, better sensors like they put and 40mp camera then we can take big photo with very good details when zoom in photo, and very good quality photo. I aspect to see much much much better photo then S9+, pixel xl 2, iphon x... with so much better shadows, lights, and etc...
So 40mp is jusy marketing trick?

What do you want 40MP output for? It's highly unlikely you need 10MP.
You realise 4K is 8MP? Assuming you don't have an 8K TV or monitor yet (33MP)?
How many people do large, super high DPI prints of mobile phone photos ... not many I'd wager.

40mp images. Shot in raw. Say no more. These are amazing.
https://twitter.com/UmihitoTV/status/978969506679853056
10mp is excellent for nearly everything. When you want more, go raw and you’ve got best of both worlds.
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I currently have a Samsung S9+ and have been taking some amazing shots with it. Epic shots. See this post
https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/03/26/soussons-forest-dartmoor-national-park-shot-on-the-samsung-s9/
and https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/03/2...om-the-samsung-galaxy-s9-featuring-snow-dogs/
So as far as I’m concerned, the P20 Pro has to be better than all of these types of shots. I did have the Huawei Mate 10 Pro that took some amazing pics too. So what I have decided to do, is to focus heavily on the Huawei P20 Pro when it arrives and create very specific and detailed posts on it , including the camera with lots of tips too.
I am fairly confident the P20 Pro will be better from the samples already shared that I’m selling my S9+, even though I actually really like it.

gavinfabl said:
40mp images. Shot in raw. Say no more. These are amazing.
https://twitter.com/UmihitoTV/status/978969506679853056
10mp is excellent for nearly everything. When you want more, go raw and you’ve got best of both worlds.
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I currently have a Samsung S9+ and have been taking some amazing shots with it. Epic shots. See this post
https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/03/26/soussons-forest-dartmoor-national-park-shot-on-the-samsung-s9/
and https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/03/2...om-the-samsung-galaxy-s9-featuring-snow-dogs/
So as far as I’m concerned, the P20 Pro has to be better than all of these types of shots. I did have the Huawei Mate 10 Pro that took some amazing pics too. So what I have decided to do, is to focus heavily on the Huawei P20 Pro when it arrives and create very specific and detailed posts on it , including the camera with lots of tips too.
I am fairly confident the P20 Pro will be better from the samples already shared that I’m selling my S9+, even though I actually really like it.
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Waooo you got very good photo. Did you make all in RAW rhen edit or?

The shots shown in the linked posts were shot all in auto.

gavinfabl said:
The shots shown in the linked posts were shot all in auto.
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Waooo even with same sensors and all camera hardwer like S8, S9 make much better photos then S8.
P20 Pro have much batter senzor nmand pixel from today competition, did this mean P20Pro will have better photos (take better photos) then S9+, pixel Xl2 and etc? With more light, shadows, details and etc?

isko01 said:
Waooo even with same sensors and all camera hardwer like S8, S9 make much better photos then S8.
P20 Pro have much batter senzor nmand pixel from today competition, did this mean P20Pro will have better photos (take better photos) then S9+, pixel Xl2 and etc? With more light, shadows, details and etc?
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I’m expecting the P20 Pro to be a lot better. And the creative options are huge.

does anyone here knows which camera sensor huawei is using for the pro? is it sony imx or a different one?

dyepnoodle said:
does anyone here knows which camera sensor huawei is using for the pro? is it sony imx or a different one?
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Someone earlier mentioned it is a Panasonic sensor

isko01 said:
So 40mp is jusy marketing trick?
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Think back to the PureView tech. On that I believe the camera produced a 5 or 8MP image. In most cases that's the mode you used, even though you could go for the full-sized image. That often had a lot more noise, as the whole point of the 40MP is to use the data from 4 pixels to produce a cleaner 10MP image.
I took a few 40MP images but Google scales it down to 16MP on high-resolution mode (the mode I've chosen as otherwise I'd quickly use up all my storage) so at some point, I'll take a few more and host them elsewhere to share.
Frankly, we've moved on from playing the numbers game where more pixels is anything people cared about. 40MP here is purely to allow Huawei to do its clever stuff (especially the AI assisted night mode) and not just to sound better than the competition, even though I'm sure that's a rather good side-effect for the marketing department!
There are a lot more photos added to the gallery today, including some more from other people who attended the launch.
I am yet to experiment with RAW and the pro mode, and I do wonder if I'll need to as it is such a good phone for just picking up and shooting, letting the phone do its work. The scene detection works very well, although occasionally it may pick a mode you think isn't what you wanted to capture (e.g. a building where it goes for 'blue sky mode' to boost the colour of the sky) although it doesn't ruin the photo. Plus you can turn it off if you prefer. I don't see any need to yet.

hey @jonmorris,
How's the dynamic range compared with the pixel 2/galaxy s9? Maybe, if you own one of them you could post some comparison pictures .

Continuous message "sharpening your photo please steady the device"

This is really frustrating but most of the time when I'm taking a photo I'm getting this message "sharpening your photo please steady the device". I thought it might be the Master AI so in turned that off... Still happens. Especially with low light shots or zoomed in shots even in bright light.
How the heck do I stop this from happening?? It's so frustrating!

It's when the camera combining the monochrome data to increase detail.
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Is there no way of stopping this from happening?

quaium said:
Is there no way of stopping this from happening?
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Use a different camera app or shoot RAW.
It's a baked in part of Huawei multi sensor processing.
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Basically you can use another app, lose detail and lose the message.

It seems to be a bug in the camera software. It does not handle the telephoto zoom correctly and applies sharpening algorithms when not necessary.
Have a look at the report from Android Authority https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-camera-software-867702/

paul678 said:
It seems to be a bug in the camera software. It does not handle the telephoto zoom correctly and applies sharpening algorithms when not necessary.
Have a look at the report from Android Authority https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-camera-software-867702/
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It's not a bug, it's a separate process from the unsharp mask algorithm in the jpg processing.
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orangecroc said:
It's not a bug, it's a separate process from the unsharp mask algorithm in the jpg processing.
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I'm saying it's a bug because it should not run all processes when zooming with the telephoto. In Android Authority's samples you can see that the post processing seems to run like it is in digital zoom mode even if it's optical.

It's a totaly normal process, and you see the messages when the camera apllies HDR color correction to the photo. Other smartphones just say HDR during the photo saving, this one says this message. It's not a bug, and there's no way of disabling it. It's just NORMAL.
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I understand this message to mean "Please wait while I ruin your photo."
I always get it (literally 100% of the time) when I'm using the 3x zoom and the result is always an absolutely hideous photo in which all detail has been completely destroyed. For some reason the resulting image is always 10MP, which makes me think it was taken using the 40MP sensor and binned down, however it's shot at f2.4 and the phone reports an 80mm equivalent focal length, which suggests the 3x zoom lens but that's an 8MP sensor... So just what the hell is going on? Here's an imgur album of a photo supposedly taken using the zoom lens in ideal photography conditions this morning. The light was very good. I used the Photo mode with AI master turned off, resolution set to 10MP in the settings, standard color setting, 4D predictive focus on.
Unfortunately I can't post links but go to imgur.com album /a/JEMOtHG.
It looked fine on the phone's screen but it looks hideous on a larger screen. Just look at the 100% crop - it would make a lovely watercolor painting. The photo has been sharpened to oblivion and completely ruined. The camera has retained highlights in the clouds to create an unrealistic, though beautiful IMO, cloudscape while blowing away highlights on the ships. The shadows on the trees in the foreground are mangled to the point that it looks like a single mass. This photo is unequivocally garbage.
In fact, 70% of the photos this phone takes look like total garbage. They're not just mediocre, they're bad. They look like enlarged and sharpened photos taken with an ancient, low-resolution digital camera. Maybe it's because I have no idea what the phone's actually doing with its hardware when I'm using it because the software is so bad? It just does stuff contrary to what I might expect based on the information provided at the time of the exposure and the result is invariably bad. I've tried every mode and had zero success in any mode.
Even when using the main sensor, if the lighting is slightly dim, out comes the sharpening and noise-reduction algorithm and out go your details. Even in situations where it's not really necessary, like in good indoor light, the phone goes mental with its post-processing. It even does it in broad daylight when there's a big difference in highlights and/or in the scene. If you have harsh, directional sunlight in one part of the scene, expect it to be sharpened to death.
I read all the glowing reviews and they leave me wondering whether everyone's crazy or whether I am. I really want to like this phone but the camera is 3 or 4 out of 10 so far. It makes me wonder whether Huawei's engineers have ever seen a photo before.
I'm inclined to return this phone. The camera is so bad that I'd rather go back to my Nexus 6P, which is 2.5 years old and takes effortlessly, consistently and predictably superior photos.

It keeps the detail when it says it on mine with 3x zoom.
I think maybe your technique is off?
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It keeps the detail when it says it on mine with 3x zoom.
I think maybe your technique is off? View attachment 4536191
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What technique do you propose? I don't see any options or means to remedy the problem. It seems to me that no matter what mode I shoot or what settings I toggle, I get images that are post-processed to oblivion when using the 3x zoom, and usually when using the main sensor too.
I'd love to hear what you're doing that's giving you results you're happy with. My guess is that you're also on a newer build - I've got the North American variant CLT-L04 8.1.0.109(C792).
Incidentally, your attachment is scaled down to a small fraction of its original size so it doesn't really demonstrate much.

The 109 firmware is pretty old by now, things got better with the camera when you run firmware 128 or the latest 131. Still things could be improved but it is now better than in the early days of firmware releases.
/ Magnus

This is taken with 5x zoom by hand on auto. I see no problem at all. In fact it's outstanding if consider its taken by hand.
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I definitely think it's your firmware. Things have improved pretty dramatically since your version.

Well that sucks, since no newer firmware is available to me yet. I find it hard to believe Huawei would ship a premium photography-centric device with software that's so defective it can hardly take a photo worth keeping, or that it's selling functionally defective devices with this firmware 2 months after launch. Then again, maybe I shouldn't be too surprised.
I guess I'm at the right place if I want to solve this problem myself but I think I might just take it back and not void my warranty or trouble myself any further. This is an excellent phone and I want to keep it but I'm disappointed - photography should have been the first thing they got right and they fumbled.
Too bad because the specs are brilliant and the cameras are awesome in terms of the hardware. In practice, though, it always comes down to software. Thanks for your help, all.

Build 110
Natural colours and AI off to reduce the amount of processing.
When using zoom, make sure you wait for the stabilisation to start and tuck your elbows in. Where possible use the software shutter button over the volume rocker as it causes less movement.
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inepty, I second your remarks. That's what I have experienced, too, so far, and I don't think it got much better on .128 which I am using.
A few things to keep in mind:
- The 3x zoom only kicks in if you do not focus to anything closer to 1-1.5 metres. If you do, it will use the digital zoom which looks crappy.
- If you use Auto, Portrait or HDR mode, the images WILL be heavily processed
- If you use Aperture or Pro mode, they will NOT. I am so far happy with the results of these two modes.
- The monochrome mode seems not to suffer from the watercolor effects and the overprocessed look, even though the sensor is smaller
- Turn off the AI. It's pointless. It's optimized for poppy instagram style pictures. If you want this, go ahead. If you want more natural pictures, turn it off.
- Try different camera apps like Open Camera. You will of course lose fancy stuff like HDR, Zoom etc., but the resulting images are much more natural without any oversharpening or watercolor effects. You will have some grain, tho (because no noise reduction).
- The Zoom is a bit finicky. Sometimes, it gives me really good, clear and beautiful results, sometimes it looks like a crappy digital zoom picture, even though the exifs state that the zoom lens was used. Not sure what's the problem behind this.
- The night mode is a bit of a tech gimmick. Yep, it shoots photos at night but they are really blurry and lack details. If you resize them to 1000px, they will look great, but they are not made for larger resolutions or big screens. I know, a blurry picture is better than no picture at all, but I wouldn't use it the way Huawei seems to advertise it (Hey, take stunning city photos at night!) because the results are messy, unless resized to a stamp.
- And finally: The raw files are quite good most of the time. For pictures that are important (Aka: Photography instead of documentation), it's probably best to use the raw file and develop this.

all the pugs said:
inepty, I second your remarks. That's what I have experienced, too, so far, and I don't think it got much better on .128 which I am using.
A few things to keep in mind:
- The 3x zoom only kicks in if you do not focus to anything closer to 1-1.5 metres. If you do, it will use the digital zoom which looks crappy.
- If you use Auto, Portrait or HDR mode, the images WILL be heavily processed
- If you use Aperture or Pro mode, they will NOT. I am so far happy with the results of these two modes.
- The monochrome mode seems not to suffer from the watercolor effects and the overprocessed look, even though the sensor is smaller
- Turn off the AI. It's pointless. It's optimized for poppy instagram style pictures. If you want this, go ahead. If you want more natural pictures, turn it off.
- Try different camera apps like Open Camera. You will of course lose fancy stuff like HDR, Zoom etc., but the resulting images are much more natural without any oversharpening or watercolor effects. You will have some grain, tho (because no noise reduction).
- The Zoom is a bit finicky. Sometimes, it gives me really good, clear and beautiful results, sometimes it looks like a crappy digital zoom picture, even though the exifs state that the zoom lens was used. Not sure what's the problem behind this.
- The night mode is a bit of a tech gimmick. Yep, it shoots photos at night but they are really blurry and lack details. If you resize them to 1000px, they will look great, but they are not made for larger resolutions or big screens. I know, a blurry picture is better than no picture at all, but I wouldn't use it the way Huawei seems to advertise it (Hey, take stunning city photos at night!) because the results are messy, unless resized to a stamp.
- And finally: The raw files are quite good most of the time. For pictures that are important (Aka: Photography instead of documentation), it's probably best to use the raw file and develop this.
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If you select 3x zoom it uses that lens.
It doesn't use digital zoom just because you're close to the subject.
The stabilisation struggles to engage on close subject, so this may be the issue you're encountering.
These are 1x then 3x then 5x then 10x
Even the 10x digital zoom doesn't look as bad as people seem to be making out.
All are auto, standard colour, no AI in poor light.
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If you select 3x zoom it uses that lens.
It doesn't use digital zoom just because you're close to the subject.
The stabilisation struggles to engage on close subject, so this may be the issue you're encountering.
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Nope, it doesn't work that easily, at least on my device. You can select 3x zoom and still get a digital zoom image not shot with the tele lens. Try it! Try close distance and fast burts, you will see it yourself.
And please do post full resolutions of your images. Anything moderately sharp can look good at this small size.

General 200MP scaled down looks way better than 50MP

A scaled down 200MP image (to 50MP) looks way better than a 50MP from the Smart Hires Mode
So there is a lot of room for improvement of the Smart Hires mode (not so aggressive noise reduction and edge "enhancement").
An alternative would be that Motorola exposes the 50MP RAW surface (the 2x2 binning) instead of only the 12.5MP (4x4 binning) and allowing us to develop the images ourself.
Xiaomi showed us (in the e.g. Mi Note 10) how a 108MP sensor can produce superbe 27MP RAW images with way more details than from the competition.
Original 50MP
Downscaled 200MP

The full size Canon sensor in their top line pro shooter is less than 23 mp. It will out shoot any smart phone image quality wise. That actually a very large full frame and densely packed sensor with tremendous light gathering ability.
At some point the mp count becomes hype rather than an useful feature. 12 mp is a much more reasonable size for this sensor's form factor. The ability to form precision micro lens drops with size. They've already exceeded this critical factor. That's one reason a pro shooter can grab a better high resolution image.
Bottom line is you buy a smartphone for it's overall performance not just it's cam specs. With no expandable storage a smartphone that produces huge jpeg and raw files you will quickly eat up the internal storage capacity even with 500gb. A quality 12mp sensor can produce excellent images and is likely still the optimum size for the sensor form factor found in smartphones. When you see that being exceeded by a factor of 2, 5, 10x you have to wonder wtf is the designer's goal really was. Was it just mp bragging rights?

based on sample pics that ive seen in gsmarena heavy processing regarding noise reduction and sharpening, is ruining the quality, especially in telephoto samples.

@blackhawk Well you have to put this into perspective.
Can a small device like a smartphone hold up against a full frame sensor paired with good quality glass then the answer is now.
But if you comare a moder flagship samrphone with a high end SoC with a midrange device from a few years ago costing less than half the price than you can draw a baseline.
This baseline for me is the Xiaomi Mi Note 10 with its 108MP sensor producing very detailed 27MP RAW images with more than enough dynamic range. Especially when originated from GCam as stacked DNGs.
Why not give the users the opportunity to use the 4x4 binning as well as the 2x2?
You are right megapixel are not everything but details in an image is one of the main criterias besides color. 12.5MP are not enough im my opinion. Not if you want to crop now and then. Smartphone manufacturer have not been able to figure out the sweet spot yet and that is between 24 and 50MP. Modern hardware can easily handle that. MotionCam showed that a 4K DNG stream of 30-60fps in form of MotionDNG is possible so why not 50MP RAW images? This does not have to be the every day cost but at least there should be the opportunity.

More evidence here that a downscaled 200MP image (from the same device) looks way better than the 50MP output (the scene with the rails).
The downscaled image shows a much more natural look and the 50Mp the typical plasic look that looks like a rendered image from a computer game.
When Motorola is able to present the same result for the 50MP right out of the box this would be a big step forward in smartphone photography (for all that don't want to play with RAW/DNG).

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More evidence here that a downscaled 200MP image (from the same device) looks way better than the 50MP output (the scene with the rails).
The downscaled image shows a much more natural look and the 50Mp the typical plasic look that looks like a rendered image from a computer game.
When Motorola is able to present the same result for the 50MP right out of the box this would be a big step forward in smartphone photography (for all that don't want to play with RAW/DNG).
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In what program do ypu donwnscaled it ? I seams that gcam can make even better pics

I simply use IrfanView with these settings
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
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Problem with GCam is that even if you get RAW your details with a 12.5 RAW image are also very limited. Not like the 27MP from my Xiaomi Mi Note 10.
As long as the Edge 30 Ultra does not grants access to the 2x2 binned 50MP RAW images GCam or ProShot can not create what is not there and this are details from existing pixels.
So the 50MP downscaled 200MP images are superior to the developed 12.5MP RAW is respect to details.

Here a sample of the level of details that is possible
For comparison a developed RAW image

AJ732101 said:
Here a sample of the level of details that is possible
For comparison a developed RAW image
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Do you have any photo shoot with gcam ?

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Do you have any photo shoot with gcam ?
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More samples of 200MP images reduced by half of the resolution
Images are color corrected as the Edge 30 Ultras color science is not my favourite one
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Sample 4
Sample 5

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More samples of 200MP images reduced by half of the resolution
Images are color corrected as the Edge 30 Ultras color science is not my favourite one
Sample 1
Sample 2
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Sample 4
Sample 5
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Thank you for your work man. When i look your scaled down photos of 36 mpx its sweet spot , to me it looks better than any phone in terms of detail, and color im blow away by results.

AJ732101 said:
More samples of 200MP images reduced by half of the resolution
Images are color corrected as the Edge 30 Ultras color science is not my favourite one
Sample 1
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Try this Gcam, it outputs 50 mpx and its much better than stock

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Try this Gcam, it outputs 50 mpx and its much better than stock
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Thank you very much for the tip.
But in my opinion the output looks really awful: sample
In terms of color an detail rendering. Looks more than an upscale than a real 50MP image and the RAW files are still 12.5MP. So I doubt that this GCam version has access to the 50MP image surface.
A look into the settings shows that upscaling with a factor 2.0x is active. So no real pixel.
The developer of the great photo app ProShot is in touch with Motorola to get access to the 50MP image plane in RAW so that 3rd party creators like him can get much more out of the hardware that Motorola is capable of.
I am corious if Xiaomi with their 12T Pro that uses the same 200MP sesor is able to do better.

A few days ago I received the version 1.21.2 of the Camera Tuner 4 via Google Play Store.
The update notes stated some image and video improvements.
Until now for the Edge 30 Ultra not to many seem to have received this update.
Still a 200MP downscale looks way better than the 12.5MP right out of the phone.
Look at the grass in this sample
This also applies for the 50MP images.
They do not look bad at all until you see the 200MP downscale as a comparison.
Here some other stuff after the update:
Collection of 200 to 50 megapixel downscales
Collection of 50MP right out of the phone (same motives)

Also in low light the 200MP downscale outperforms the 12.5 content frm the phone by far
The sample