Hi all,
my 4X, Miui 9.5.4.0 ROM, will not receive text messages most of the time. I can send texts OK but for the most part I cannot receive a text. I say for the most part because every now and then one seems to sneak through for some reason.
The only messaging app installed is the stock MIUI one that came with the phone. I did try a couple of other messaging apps with the same result. They have since been removed.
Any thoughts or ideas appreciated.
TIA
Greg
ghines said:
Hi all,
my 4X, Miui 9.5.4.0 ROM, will not receive text messages most of the time. I can send texts OK but for the most part I cannot receive a text. I say for the most part because every now and then one seems to sneak through for some reason.
The only messaging app installed is the stock MIUI one that came with the phone. I did try a couple of other messaging apps with the same result. They have since been removed.
Any thoughts or ideas appreciated.
TIA
Greg
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I can't imagine it's something wrong with MIUI? it never actually happened to me, I'd contact your carrier first, perhaps they have blocked numbers from texting you
I recommend also checking in Settings; System apps > Call settings > Blocklist to see if the phone has blocked incoming test messages from any numbers
snkmv said:
I can't imagine it's something wrong with MIUI? it never actually happened to me, I'd contact your carrier first, perhaps they have blocked numbers from texting you
I recommend also checking in Settings; System apps > Call settings > Blocklist to see if the phone has blocked incoming test messages from any numbers
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I've just placed the SIM into another phone and it works fine, so it's not the carrier. Checked blocklist and nothing there, plus I can miss and intermittently get texts from the same person.
It's got to be a MIUI thing!
ghines said:
I've just placed the SIM into another phone and it works fine, so it's not the carrier. Checked blocklist and nothing there, plus I can miss and intermittently get texts from the same person.
It's got to be a MIUI thing!
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Do you notice that you lose signal a lot? It could be a faulty antenna band too, it can be replaced under warranty
snkmv said:
Do you notice that you lose signal a lot? It could be a faulty antenna band too, it can be replaced under warranty
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No I have a strong signal, so I do not think it's that.
Just did a test:
1. Rebooted phone
2. As soon as the lockscreen appears I sent a text from my wife phone.
3. It is received.
4. Wait one minute and send another 3 texts from my wifes phone.
5. None received.
6. Reboot phone.
7. The 3 missed texts arrive as soon as the phone reboots.
8. Wait one minute and send another 3 texts from wife's phone.
9. None received.
10. Reboot phone
11. 3 missed texts arrive as soon as the phone reboots.
It has to be MIUI.
ghines said:
No I have a strong signal, so I do not think it's that.
Just did a test
It has to be MIUI.
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That sounds annoying... If you can, go to developer options, and enable "Show all ANR" and use the phone (especially SMS) for a while to see if the culprit is a system process failing to stay alive, and try to clear all data for that process
You should be able to find the process by going to "Installed apps" and enabling "Show system apps"
Researching more on the problem has no real conclusion at all.. Some people solved the problem by just doing a factory reset, some more gets it fixed after calling their carrier, another gets it fixed (temporarily) by just turning airplane mode on and off
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That sounds annoying... If you can, go to developer options, and enable "Show all ANR" and use the phone (especially SMS) for a while to see if the culprit is a system process failing to stay alive, and try to clear all data for that process
You should be able to find the process by going to "Installed apps" and enabling "Show system apps"
Researching more on the problem has no real conclusion at all.. Some people solved the problem by just doing a factory reset, some more gets it fixed after calling their carrier, another gets it fixed (temporarily) by just turning airplane mode on and off
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I have found the problem. "Turn on MIUI optimization" in Developer Options was turned OFF. Turning it ON fixed the receiving of texts. Tried several times turning it OFF and then ON and texts stopped everytime it was OFF. Don't know what this setting does but it needs to be ON to receive texts.
ghines said:
I have found the problem. "Turn on MIUI optimization" in Developer Options was turned OFF. Turning it ON fixed the receiving of texts. Tried several times turning it OFF and then ON and texts stopped everytime it was OFF. Don't know what this setting does but it needs to be ON to receive texts.
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That's weird! I have it off all the time, what it does is
1. Closes apps in memory prematurely, this can be bad or good, unused ram is wasted ram anyway
2. Monitor background services and disabled part of it when you're not actually using it, this killed notifications for certain apps for me, at least back in MIUI 8
There's more, but it's really trivial like UI changes it does, happy it's solved though
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Hello everyone, here's my problem. It's been many days that whatsapp is not working as it should. Sometimes (very often, actually), the app appears to be "frozen", as if it is offline. The problem is that when this happens, I don't receive any message or notification. If I manually open the app and I tap on a conversation, the "seen online at X pm" don't show up soon and I have to wait different seconds. The result is that I receive messages with different minutes of delay, and only because I manually opened the app!
For example, I was talking with a friend before, I sent him a few messages, then I got back to the home and put the phone on the table. 15 minutes later, I opened the app because my friend wasn't answering and I had to wait a few seconds until the message "seen online at..." appeared: when it did, I received a message from him sent 10 minutes before. This happens in 3G and 2G. I reinstalled the app, I did a full wipe of the phone but I don't know what else to do. I thought it was a connection problem, but it's been days :crying: If necessary, I'm using Prime HD 8 (and this happens with Prime HD 9 as well)
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Hello everyone, here's my problem. It's been many days that whatsapp is not working as it should. Sometimes (very often, actually), the app appears to be "frozen", as if it is offline. The problem is that when this happens, I don't receive any message or notification. If I manually open the app and I tap on a conversation, the "seen online at X pm" don't show up soon and I have to wait different seconds. The result is that I receive messages with different minutes of delay, and only because I manually opened the app!
For example, I was talking with a friend before, I sent him a few messages, then I got back to the home and put the phone on the table. 15 minutes later, I opened the app because my friend wasn't answering and I had to wait a few seconds until the message "seen online at..." appeared: when it did, I received a message from him sent 10 minutes before. This happens in 3G and 2G. I reinstalled the app, I did a full wipe of the phone but I don't know what else to do. I thought it was a connection problem, but it's been days :crying: If necessary, I'm using Prime HD 8 (and this happens with Prime HD 9 as well)
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I'm not sure 4 your prob bro..
just dont forget fo flashing with sim card must in your phone
check your app settings..go to FAQ or system status
BlackRabbit1703 said:
I'm not sure 4 your prob bro..
just dont forget fo flashing with sim card must in your phone
check your app settings..go to FAQ or system status
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My sim has always been in in my phone, I checked every option and FAQ. The problem is random, not always... for example now it seems to work. I'm starting to think it's my operator's fault. But I can use the web normally, the problem is just whatsapp... dunno
Tommolo said:
Hello everyone, here's my problem. It's been many days that whatsapp is not working as it should. Sometimes (very often, actually), the app appears to be "frozen", as if it is offline. The problem is that when this happens, I don't receive any message or notification. If I manually open the app and I tap on a conversation, the "seen online at X pm" don't show up soon and I have to wait different seconds. The result is that I receive messages with different minutes of delay, and only because I manually opened the app!
For example, I was talking with a friend before, I sent him a few messages, then I got back to the home and put the phone on the table. 15 minutes later, I opened the app because my friend wasn't answering and I had to wait a few seconds until the message "seen online at..." appeared: when it did, I received a message from him sent 10 minutes before. This happens in 3G and 2G. I reinstalled the app, I did a full wipe of the phone but I don't know what else to do. I thought it was a connection problem, but it's been days :crying: If necessary, I'm using Prime HD 8 (and this happens with Prime HD 9 as well)
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Couldn't it be because of you have disabled in system settings, accounts and synchronization that applications can sync in background, or disabled automatic synchronization?
Try to check in ACCOUNTS AND SYNCHRONIZATION.
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Couldn't it be because of you have disabled in system settings, accounts and synchronization that applications can sync in background, or disabled automatic synchronization?
Try to check in ACCOUNTS AND SYNCHRONIZATION.
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It's all always checked. Before it didn't work even in WiFi... I need to restart my phone... I'm getting really angry for this
Could it be a bug of the rom? But it's strange, everything else is working -.-'
uhm maybe you got low memory and system kill whatsapp process?
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uhm maybe you got low memory and system kill whatsapp process?
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I don't know, it happened also after a full wipe, but it seems to work now, I've installed a previous version.
I want to block a contact that I have in my People in order not to receive calls from them. But after a while I see that they're not blocked anymore.
I've tried Do Not Disturb too. But the exception list settings (white list) roll back too! It gets cleared after a while. I'm so confused about this HTC bug. I guess it might be something about syncing but I can't say for sure...
Anyone knows a solution to this?
Thank you so much !
barzg said:
I want to block a contact that I have in my People in order not to receive calls from them. But after a while I see that they're not blocked anymore.
I've tried Do Not Disturb too. But the exception list settings (white list) roll back too! It gets cleared after a while. I'm so confused about this HTC bug. I guess it might be something about syncing but I can't say for sure...
Anyone knows a solution to this?
Thank you so much !
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Hi,
I too, am having this issue. I noticed recently that my DND list kicks my gf off the list, and that is the one person I need to be whitelisted the most! Very frustrating after missing a call due to her being kicked off DND.
I think the issue has to do with HTC Backup. Do you have your phone set to backup everyday to HTC cloud? I had that turned on, but I noticed recently it was having trouble backing up my information as it keeps saying "HTC backup services cannot be reached at this time".
I think that is what's causing the issue. I have turned off automatic back up for now and will monitor if the DND list changes.
Google restores contact settings/blocked contacts etc,after initial syncing of [email protected] setup see if issue still there
yes Auto-Backup & Auto-Sync were on. now I have turned both off to see how it goes after a day...
I've tried turning Auto-Sync & Auto-Backup off, but it was useless. still blocked contact settings change automatically!
barzg said:
I've tried turning Auto-Sync & Auto-Backup off, but it was useless. still blocked contact settings change automatically!
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Hi,
I've turned them off and I don't have that issue anymore. Might be coincidence but I will keep monitoring.
Hi guys,
Has anyone had any problems with whatsapp on our phone? The app seems to get killed somehow when the phone goes to sleep, so I don't receive any messages until I open it up. I've not got any powersaver modes running and background data is allowed etc etc, it's getting very annoying and i'm sure the phone is killing a background process but can't work out how to fix it.
Anyone have any ideas?
Cheers
I had a similar issue with hangouts but I cleared cache and data and it worked again. maybe give this a shot for whatsapp
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No problem at all.
I use stamina mode all the time, excluding Gmail, Whatsapp, Timely and Cerberus, and I receive emails and messages.
My firmware version is 23.0.A.2.98
I have stamina mode activated all the time but whatsapp works great
Thanks for your replies, i don't what the problem is. The same thing happens if i am in stamina mode (with the app whitelisted) or not in stamina mode.
I have tried re-installing, clearing cache and data etc but the problem perists. I guess i will have to ask the app developers, presumably they will blame the phone
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Thanks for your replies, i don't what the problem is. The same thing happens if i am in stamina mode (with the app whitelisted) or not in stamina mode.
I have tried re-installing, clearing cache and data etc but the problem perists. I guess i will have to ask the app developers, presumably they will blame the phone
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When you notice it start happening, check the "running apps" in settings. Do most of them show "restarting" etc? I think I have the same issue. It looks like a memory leak on my side.
I've seen similar to this but I think it might also be related to when other people have a connection. My wife has issues with her work wifi and sometimes I only get her messages once she's back on our home network. I see the time stamp in whatsapp as the time she originally wrote the message...
Thanks - will check that next time i see it happening, it doesn't look like it has restarted recently but possibly was "pausing". I've restarted my phone now so all processes are on the same clock so i can spot any breaks easier next time
Moist said:
When you notice it start happening, check the "running apps" in settings. Do most of them show "restarting" etc? I think I have the same issue. It looks like a memory leak on my side.
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piratemoon said:
I've seen similar to this but I think it might also be related to when other people have a connection. My wife has issues with her work wifi and sometimes I only get her messages once she's back on our home network. I see the time stamp in whatsapp as the time she originally wrote the message...
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Cheers but seems not likely as messages from multiple contacts appear at the same time when i open the app, so the problem must be on my end
Quick update, i've had the problem happen again and checked the running apps, there was no pause happening. Even this morning on the train i was looking at the internet, so my phone was connected to data and obviously not asleep and i got no messages. Later on, i opened the app and a message appeared, sent at the time i was looking at the internet. I'm flummoxed. Will raise a support call and update if i have any luck
Is anyone having issues with their notifications not coming through, or coming in super late, or having the same notifications coming up over and over? I'm expecting all three problems, it seems to be happening with every app for me except for calls and text. I factory reset the phone but that didn't fix the issue. If I restart the phone, then all my notifications that haven't physically gone into the app to check start pouring in. No idea what could be causing the issue and it's really starting to piss me off. I have already sent my phone in for repair cause my LTE data stopped working for no reason. I don't think both issues are related as I do have LTE data after they replaced some part.
Would appreciate if anyone has any ideas.
Thanks.
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Is anyone having issues with their notifications not coming through, or coming in super late, or having the same notifications coming up over and over? I'm expecting all three problems, it seems to be happening with every app for me except for calls and text. I factory reset the phone but that didn't fix the issue. If I restart the phone, then all my notifications that haven't physically gone into the app to check start pouring in. No idea what could be causing the issue and it's really starting to piss me off. I have already sent my phone in for repair cause my LTE data stopped working for no reason. I don't think both issues are related as I do have LTE data after they replaced some part.
Would appreciate if anyone has any ideas.
Thanks.
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I had notification delays with gmail app, fixed it by turning off battery optimization for this specific app.
The Stig 04 said:
Is anyone having issues with their notifications not coming through, or coming in super late, or having the same notifications coming up over and over? I'm expecting all three problems, it seems to be happening with every app for me except for calls and text. I factory reset the phone but that didn't fix the issue. If I restart the phone, then all my notifications that haven't physically gone into the app to check start pouring in. No idea what could be causing the issue and it's really starting to piss me off. I have already sent my phone in for repair cause my LTE data stopped working for no reason. I don't think both issues are related as I do have LTE data after they replaced some part.
Would appreciate if anyone has any ideas.
Thanks.
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Some people may have battery saver on and this may cause late notifications. Also check in settings "auto sync", under accounts. I did have some late notifications issue with Gmail app and do know battery optimization usually is the cause, but it went away in couple of days after I bought the phone.
Thank you for the suggestions. I ended up turning on high performance mode. Let's see if that helps.
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Thank you for the suggestions. I ended up turning on high performance mode. Let's see if that helps.
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How'd this work out for you? This phone is horrible for notifications for me. It constantly doesn't send them until I actually pick up my phone, then suddenly I'll get 5-10 notifications at once. I've turned off EVERY bit of power saving that I can find. I only run in high performance mode 24/7 with all adaptive battery, power optimization, auto app sleep, etc turned completely off. I've also tried disabling all power saving and sleep in the specific app pages as well. I need to be more observant, but I think this is mostly with push notifications (ex, my 2FA app for work) rather than apps with timers to check for updates occasionally. I also have an issue with my wifi disconnecting while the screen is off sometimes which is highly annoying since my home presence detection is based on my phone being on the wifi, though last time it started doing that a reboot fixed it.
Unfortunately, a search proves that this is a widespread issue. At this point I've pretty much given up on this phone and am looking to replace it as soon as I find a suitable alternative. I'm just curious if it's a Samsung issue or a Pie issue that will occur on other phones as well.
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Is anyone having issues with their notifications not coming through, or coming in super late, or having the same notifications coming up over and over? I'm expecting all three problems, it seems to be happening with every app for me except for calls and text. I factory reset the phone but that didn't fix the issue. If I restart the phone, then all my notifications that haven't physically gone into the app to check start pouring in. No idea what could be causing the issue and it's really starting to piss me off. I have already sent my phone in for repair cause my LTE data stopped working for no reason. I don't think both issues are related as I do have LTE data after they replaced some part.
Would appreciate if anyone has any ideas.
Thanks.
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Seems to be a general issue with android. Mine have gotten better recently. In addition to turning off battery optimization for any apps I want notifications for, i have done the following:
1. Wiped cache (under settings/app/storage), then rebooted into recovery mode and wiped the cache partition.
2. Gone into the setting and made sure apps I want notifications for are allowed to run in the background (settings/apps/select app for notifications/battery).
3. Allowed to run in background when on mobile networks (settings/apps/select app/mobile data/Allow Background Data Usage.
4. Gone into messages/settings/more settings/push message/changed toggle from "Prompt" to "Always".
Hope that helps.
David Dee said:
Seems to be a general issue with android. Mine have gotten better recently. In addition to turning off battery optimization for any apps I want notifications for, i have done the following:
1. Wiped cache (under settings/app/storage), then rebooted into recovery mode and wiped the cache partition.
2. Gone into the setting and made sure apps I want notifications for are allowed to run in the background (settings/apps/select app for notifications/battery).
3. Allowed to run in background when on mobile networks (settings/apps/select app/mobile data/Allow Background Data Usage.
4. Gone into messages/settings/more settings/push message/changed toggle from "Prompt" to "Always".
Hope that helps.
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Thanks, I'll give some of those a try. I also got a VZW update with the May security patch among other things right after I posted that, so we'll see if that helps at all also.
AJerman said:
Thanks, I'll give some of those a try. I also got a VZW update with the May security patch among other things right after I posted that, so we'll see if that helps at all also.
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It's gotten better for me. I enabled high performance mode but I had to keep going in and checking it a couple days after still even though it was enabled. Been a couple weeks now and the notifications I was missing before all seems to be coming in fine now. Time will tell though I guess lol
Are you also having trouble with apps updating? That was another problem I was having where I'd see apps needing to update, I'd start "update all" one app would download and then get stuck at 99% and it would just stay like that for about 40mins and prevent the other apps from updating. Then finally when it would finish the next one would do the same. It would literally take hours upon hours for 12 apps to update when it should only take a couple mins. That issue seems to be fixed for me now too.
Hi folks,
I've the weird bug that sometimes I can't answer an incoming call. The accept button is not reacting if I'm trying to press. I don't think this has something to do with the touch, since I can see that the green button is getting greyed out as soon as I press on it. The only workaround seems to be a restart.
Did any of you had the same issue? What would be the best solution for that? For the record: I'll factory reset my device soon, but maybe this is a software bug or sth.
Thanks!
Update: Did a factory reset. Before I did a backup with HiSuite and restored the data (would not recommend since it doesn't restored all the apps) but the issue still occurred a few calls later. I hope this will be fixed with the next update.
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Hello did this problem still occur? I have a similar issue where I recieve an incoming call with the ringtone but it doesn't appear fully in my screen like a phone calls does. Instead it appears when you slide down to check notifications in your phone and it disappears and reappears while the call is coming through. I also cannot accept the call as it doesn't seem to work, I have restarted my phone 3 times since and nothing changed. Also this morning while I was in the phone to one person, for 2 seconds it disconnected and stated calling another contact. I did think about factory resetting but I'm not sure if I should do or not. Never had a problem with my handset up until now.
De2291 said:
Hello did this problem still occur? I have a similar issue where I recieve an incoming call with the ringtone but it doesn't appear fully in my screen like a phone calls does. Instead it appears when you slide down to check notifications in your phone and it disappears and reappears...
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exactly the same problem occured to my P20 lite today. The more: at my outgoing calls I can get a connection, but when I put the phone on my ear the screen goes dark and lit periodically as if I touched it (in fact by face but it didn't do it this way in the past, the phone "recognized" the touch by cheek). It is similar to on/off switching of a notification tab when call is incoming. I was recommended to make a factory reset by a support guy at O2.
latware said:
exactly the same problem occured to my P20 lite today. The more: at my outgoing calls I can get a connection, but when I put the phone on my ear the screen goes dark and lit periodically as if I touched it (in fact by face but it didn't do it this way in the past, the phone "recognized" the touch by cheek). It is similar to on/off switching of a notification tab when call is incoming. I was recommended to make a factory reset by a support guy at O2.
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Also having the exact same issue on my Huawei P10. But the fact that the same problem appeared to you guys at the exact same time makes me feel relieved, this is certainly a problem on Huawei's end that will soon be fixed
De2291 said:
Hello did this problem still occur? I have a similar issue where I recieve an incoming call with the ringtone but it doesn't appear fully in my screen like a phone calls does. Instead it appears when you slide down to check notifications in your phone and it disappears and reappears while the call is coming through. I also cannot accept the call as it doesn't seem to work, I have restarted my phone 3 times since and nothing changed. Also this morning while I was in the phone to one person, for 2 seconds it disconnected and stated calling another contact. I did think about factory resetting but I'm not sure if I should do or not. Never had a problem with my handset up until now.
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Hello!
Had the same issue with friends Huawei P20 Lite with the incoming call showing only on notification bar, flickering and reapearing all the time. Found something that could help you out, worked for my friend so maybe you can try too. Go to Settings-Apps-Apps(again)-3 dots on right upper corner-Show System Processes From here find 3 apps (Phone, Phone Services and Phone/Messaging Storage). Open each up, press - Force Stop, then press Storage and Clear both (Cache and Data). Should be it. Then try to call your phone from different number to check if it helped you.
My p20 lite started with this yesterday too. Unable to answer calls or hang up. Flashing screen. I had to do a full back up using HiSuite and then restore to factory settings. I've used HiSuite to restore my phone but I can't get the apps to work properly. I wonder if there has been an update that has screwed everything up.
try this
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Hello!
Had the same issue with friends Huawei P20 Lite with the incoming call showing only on notification bar, flickering and reapearing all the time. Found something that could help you out, worked for my friend so maybe you can try too. Go to Settings-Apps-Apps(again)-3 dots on right upper corner-Show System Processes From here find 3 apps (Phone, Phone Services and Phone/Messaging Storage). Open each up, press - Force Stop, then press Storage and Clear both (Cache and Data). Should be it. Then try to call your phone from different number to check if it helped you.
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definition-->system-->restore-->restore network definitions-->accept
DaniiiTs said:
Hello!
Had the same issue with friends Huawei P20 Lite with the incoming call showing only on notification bar, flickering and reapearing all the time. Found something that could help you out, worked for my friend so maybe you can try too. Go to Settings-Apps-Apps(again)-3 dots on right upper corner-Show System Processes From here find 3 apps (Phone, Phone Services and Phone/Messaging Storage). Open each up, press - Force Stop, then press Storage and Clear both (Cache and Data). Should be it. Then try to call your phone from different number to check if it helped you.
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This worked like a charm! Thank you so much, you legend!
"Had the same issue with friends Huawei P20 Lite with the incoming call showing only on notification bar, flickering and reapearing all the time. Found something that could help you out, worked for my friend so maybe you can try too. Go to Settings-Apps-Apps(again)-3 dots on right upper corner-Show System Processes From here find 3 apps (Phone, Phone Services and Phone/Messaging Storage). Open each up, press - Force Stop, then press Storage and Clear both (Cache and Data). Should be it. Then try to call your phone from different number to check if it helped you."
Had this really annoying issue with P Smart, the above fixed it thanks so much!
Thanks a lot DaniiiTs!
Couldn't find any answer on German Websites, but your solution worked perfectly!
Greetings from Germany and again, thanks for your help
DaniiiTs said:
Hello!
Had the same issue with friends Huawei P20 Lite with the incoming call showing only on notification bar, flickering and reapearing all the time. Found something that could help you out, worked for my friend so maybe you can try too. Go to Settings-Apps-Apps(again)-3 dots on right upper corner-Show System Processes From here find 3 apps (Phone, Phone Services and Phone/Messaging Storage). Open each up, press - Force Stop, then press Storage and Clear both (Cache and Data). Should be it. Then try to call your phone from different number to check if it helped you.
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Sadly it didn't work for me
I'm experiencing the same but after the call disappear the carrier signal drop
(Also i have additional issue with the Bluetooth, the Bluetooth turn of after a few minutes/hours, (i don't think it's because the ram that slow this))