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Guys,
I need your opinion on something. I have this annoying thing that given my slight OCD is going to drive me crazy. It's this: scrolling in any app (main culprits are Facebook and Youtube) is simply not as smooth as on my OnePlus One. It has this stuttering effect which is not super obvious at first, but when the phones are next to each other the difference is highly noticeable.
What is your experience with scrolling in apps? Is it smooth as butter or do you also notice some stutter? Could I have a dud device? Anyway to find out?
Scrolling seems fine to me, but I'm not comparing it with something else side by side, and have no ocd...
Willyman said:
Guys,
I need your opinion on something. I have this annoying thing that given my slight OCD is going to drive me crazy. It's this: scrolling in any app (main culprits are Facebook and Youtube) is simply not as smooth as on my OnePlus One. It has this stuttering effect which is not super obvious at first, but when the phones are next to each other the difference is highly noticeable.
What is your experience with scrolling in apps? Is it smooth as butter or do you also notice some stutter? Could I have a dud device? Anyway to find out?
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That is my experience as well. A osprey based roms have slightly better in app scrolling. That Samsung browser is so bad that I had to stop using it.
Willyman said:
Guys,
I need your opinion on something. I have this annoying thing that given my slight OCD is going to drive me crazy. It's this: scrolling in any app (main culprits are Facebook and Youtube) is simply not as smooth as on my OnePlus One. It has this stuttering effect which is not super obvious at first, but when the phones are next to each other the difference is highly noticeable.
What is your experience with scrolling in apps? Is it smooth as butter or do you also notice some stutter? Could I have a dud device? Anyway to find out?
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I have ocd too and im very sensitive to lag and choppy scrolling. Completely agree. I have the oneplus one as well. Note 5 is faster everywhere but scrolling is not that smooth. YouTube is really choppy compared to other phones. My oneplus one's screen is much less responsive though. input lag everywhere so I would rather have the note 5's choppy scrolling instead.
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It's just bizarre really. This thing absolutely flies, it has power to spare, multitasking, Youtube, gaming ... but certain things are just not smooth.
Things I notice that bother me:
Scrolling in apps... Main culprits Youtube and Facebook
Pulling down notification shade... A subtle stutter
Scrolling through a long list op open apps... A small stutter in the beginning
It's small things, but it seems to have issues with refreshing graphics somehow. I don't know, I'm not knowledgeable enough. Unfortunately there is no root available yet for my model (N9200) so all I can do is wait I guess,
Willyman said:
It's just bizarre really. This thing absolutely flies, it has power to spare, multitasking, Youtube, gaming ... but certain things are just not smooth.
Things I notice that bother me:
Scrolling in apps... Main culprits Youtube and Facebook
Pulling down notification shade... A subtle stutter
Scrolling through a long list op open apps... A small stutter in the beginning
It's small things, but it seems to have issues with refreshing graphics somehow. I don't know, I'm not knowledgeable enough. Unfortunately there is no root available yet for my model (N9200) so all I can do is wait I guess,
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I have noticed all those except for the notification shade. I disabled a bunch of apps of course, including that Quick connect and the other thing that was up there all the time, so maybe that helped. I am seeing a ton of improvements in scrolling with all the apps I have disabled but not to where I would call it super smooth. For some reason scrolling in the browser is pretty smooth which is usually the place i see problems on other phones. It must have something to do with how touchwiz handles scrolling cache. If someone comes up with a mod to adjust it, that may almost be a big enough reason for me to root my phone.
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I have noticed all those except for the notification shade. I disabled a bunch of apps of course, including that Quick connect and the other thing that was up there all the time, so maybe that helped. I am seeing a ton of improvements in scrolling with all the apps I have disabled but not to where I would call it super smooth. For some reason scrolling in the browser is pretty smooth which is usually the place i see problems on other phones. It must have something to do with how touchwiz handles scrolling cache. If someone comes up with a mod to adjust it, that may almost be a big enough reason for me to root my phone.
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Thanks. Yeah, I've done the same (disabling apps etc...). It definitely not bad, but it's not as smooth as other Android phones I've used. Fast yes, perfectly smooth, no.
Updates seem to come quickly. I've had 2 already in 2 weeks. let's see. And with Android M around the corner, I'm sure in a few weeks/months things will be perfect.
Samsung have anyways had this issue with their phones. Never been butter smooth due to bloat ware mainly. No matter the specs phone lags and stutters, I think Samsung should ditch TW.
Note 5 is a fantastic looking phone but ui is concerning.
Utterly bizarre... Things have dramatically improved and I literally did nothing...
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Utterly bizarre... Things have dramatically improved and I literally did nothing...
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Still choppy over here. Did you get an update? Are you using international version?
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I'm so close to returning this, and getting the Nexus 6. I've tried every browser available, and I'm not sure if it's the 64-bit architecture or what, it's probably TouchWiz, I'm not sure. I compared it to my galaxy s5 and it's worse. Why is scrolling terrible? I hope somebody comes up with the fix, id bloated about everything I can, and factory reset.
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I'm so close to returning this, and getting the Nexus 6. I've tried every browser available, and I'm not sure if it's the 64-bit architecture or what, it's probably TouchWiz, I'm not sure. I compared it to my galaxy s5 and it's worse. Why is scrolling terrible? I hope somebody comes up with the fix, id bloated about everything I can, and factory reset.
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Download Lightning Browser+ from the playstore. The paid version blocks all adds and the scrolling is very smooth. It's what I'm using on my Note 5.
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Still choppy over here. Did you get an update? Are you using international version?
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No update. Like I said, its all a bit bizarre. All I can say is that the two last charging cycles things are a lot better.
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I'm so close to returning this, and getting the Nexus 6. I've tried every browser available, and I'm not sure if it's the 64-bit architecture or what, it's probably TouchWiz, I'm not sure. I compared it to my galaxy s5 and it's worse. Why is scrolling terrible? I hope somebody comes up with the fix, id bloated about everything I can, and factory reset.
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One thing I found works is to install Adguard (not in store, just google it). It will block ads and make scrolling in Chrome a lot better. The only annoying part I would say is a persistent VPN notification. Adguard uses a local VPN which results in a permanent notification. If you can live with that I found it to be pretty great.
Willyman said:
One thing I found works is to install Adguard (not in store, just google it). It will block ads and make scrolling in Chrome a lot better. The only annoying part I would say is a persistent VPN notification. Adguard uses a local VPN which results in a permanent notification. If you can live with that I found it to be pretty great.
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I thought it was just in my head but I gave adguard a try after some time of not using it and I thought it made the whole system faster. Still not 100% sure but things could be a tad smoother and more responsive in general. I'm trying to decide whether it's worth having it constantly running in the background and using chrome or just using lightning browser with its ad blocker built in.
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My AT&T version has no issue in scrolling - either in the UI or individual apps I use. I'll get some lag when scrolling fast in the Gallery or FlickFolio but that's because I'm scrolling faster than the thumbnails can load. That's an OS thing, not a h/w or UI thing. Overall the diet Samsung put TW and their own apps on has really paid off.
I'm starting to believe it has something to do with the last "performance increasing update " . I can see from other threads on here that not everyone is on it yet. I received it mid last week. I had another Note 5 before which I returned as it had an issue with the Screen. That one never got upgraded to that stage and was very smooth. This one I have now felt smooth as well, but think that it got worse with the upgrade. I'm now on the update captured in the screenshot. It ends in AHO4. The one before was AHO2.
Once I've figured out how to flash that version on there using Odin3, I will give that a shot and turn off automatic updates. To be continued...
Willyman said:
I'm starting to believe it has something to do with the last "performance increasing update " . I can see from other threads on here that not everyone is on it yet. I received it mid last week. I had another Note 5 before which I returned as it had an issue with the Screen. That one never got upgraded to that stage and was very smooth. This one I have now felt smooth as well, but think that it got worse with the upgrade. I'm now on the update captured in the screenshot. It ends in AHO4. The one before was AHO2.
Once I've figured out how to flash that version on there using Odin3, I will give that a shot and turn off automatic updates. To be continued...
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What was the issue with your screen?
WizeGuyDezignz said:
What was the issue with your screen?
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Discolourization.
Settings > Developer Options.
Window animation scale, Transition animation scale, Animator duration scale. Change all to "off". Has always seemed to speed up any Android device I've ever used.
Been on the fence trying to decide which one I want for the past two weeks.
Know the 5 blows away the Note 4 Snapdragon version performance wise but just how much faster and smoother is it compared to the Exynos version?
Can those of you who upgraded share your experience?
Was it really an upgrade?
Did you notice a big jump in performance?
How does the screen compare?
Thanks in advance!!!!
Sorry if this is not the comment you are looking for since I came from a Note 2, but I think it may help. When it comes down to deciding between these two phones (the same choice I had to make recently) it all comes down to the few features that are different and whether or not you NEED root. Removable battery was the biggest one for me but I think that issue will be taken care of by the battery cases once they are out, that said the battery lasts pretty long for 3000mah (I had a 6400mah in my note 2 and this lasts almost as long). If you NEED to root the phone for any reason you may as well go with a Note 4, since you lose Samsung pay capabilities which is one of the stand out features of this phone. If you NEED an IR sensor, again Note 4. If you want a really fast starting camera, want Samsung pay, don't mind using a USB SD card reader for expansion storage, a fingerprint reader that works great, and don't mind the non replaceable battery the Note 5 is a killer phone. It has surpassed all of my expectations coming up from a Note 2 that had Root, a 6400mah battery etc... This will be my first phone without root access, but I feel like I will not be missing too much. Hope this might help in your decision process, but if not just ignore.
Here's a detailed analysis of the two SoC's in the Note 4.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8718/the-samsung-galaxy-note-4-exynos-review/11
The same architectural reasons Exynos was superior are the answer as to why the Note 5's Exynos chip is superior to the Note 4's. Each generation of new (not revised) chips are a leap above their predessors. S-810 being the exception because while it hit its performance expectations you could fry an egg with it.
It's just my opinion, but I can't imagine basing a decision like this on how smoothly the device scrolls pages on the homescreen or flips between apps. It's amazing how much influence Apple's propaganda has had on even non-Apple users.
Both the Note 4 and Note 5 are powerful tools that are functionally very similar, but have very different price tags.
Samsung Galaxy Note5 Pros
Exquisite design
More compact, with better screen-to-body size ratio
Better performance thanks to the superior hardware
Better battery life
Improved S Pen features
Revamped TouchWiz UI
Wireless fast charging out of the box
Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Pros
microSD card slot
Removable battery
Superior rear camera performance in certain scenes
Slightly better call quality
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http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Note5-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-4_id4064
Thanks for the opinion/feedback.
Some people are power users and when you have two of the most powerful sports cars side by side àll of a sudden performance becomes one of the most important deciding factors and not just cargo space or gas mileage if that makes sense.
Knowing the Note 5 is the latest and greatest, I'm not expecting the performance to be night and day vs the already proven note 4.
However I would like to know if the hype really is worth the extra 3-400 more dollars considering everything Samsung left off the table (no SD, no ir, removable battery etc)
My question is, is the performance of the 7420 processor a big noticeable difference vs the 5433 on the Note 4 or is it a small noticeable difference?
Keep in mind this is touchwiz Not Apple
P.S most articles & reviews are comparing the Note 4 Snapdragon vs the Note 5 Exynos which really isn't that fair a comparison. (Including the one you linked above)
I'm looking for real world feedback on Exynos vs Exynos.
Clash of the Titans!!!
CafeKampuchia said:
It's just my opinion, but I can't imagine basing a decision like this on how smoothly the device scrolls pages on the homescreen or flips between apps. It's amazing how much influence Apple's propaganda has had on even non-Apple users.
Both the Note 4 and Note 5 are powerful tools that are functionally very similar, but have very different price tags.
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Note5-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-4_id4064
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Noticeable when, in the UI, running a benchmark, playing a game?
CafeKampuchia said:
Noticeable when, in the UI, running a benchmark, playing a game?
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Just overall how fluid is the OS and overall user experience?
I had a chance to test the Note 5 at Best Buy recently and really liked the experience.
Everything was instant iphone like.
Have to admit love or hate them, Apple builds a rock solid user experience on lesser hardware and Android as great as it is can take a page from Apple based on this aspect alone.
While using the Note 5, I didn't experience any lag which for Samsung has been a problem with the user experience for years.
Of course the 805 Snapdragon Note 4 sitting next to it had some lag going through the menus, web browsing, email usage videos on Touchwiz etc
Wasn't bad but noticeable from time to time.
Even after rebooting the phone.
Granted both units were stock and the Note 4 was over a year old BUT I've never had a chance to use the Exynos Note 4 which everyone seems to praise for its snappy performance.
So I say this to ask for those of you who have use both the N910C and now the Note 5, how close would you say the Exynos Note 4 user experience is compared to the Note 5 based on what I said above?
tiguy99 said:
My question is, is the performance of the 7420 processor a big noticeable difference vs the 5433 on the Note 4 or is it a small noticeable difference?
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The SoC alone doesn't determine performance. The Note 5 has uber-fast UFS storage and LPDDR4 RAM including an extra GB of the latter. That and the streamlining and minimization Samsung's done with the UI and their apps contribute to a huge and noticeable difference in performance. It's especially noticeable when working with big I/O sensitive apps like S Note and Gallery. Whether that's worth X$ more is up to you.
I'm looking for real world feedback on Exynos vs Exynos.
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Feedback on performance is subjective. This article compares the two Exynos chips. If you're looking at the SoC alone it's pretty clear the 7420 is a huge generational leap over 5430/3.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9330/exynos-7420-deep-dive
tiguy99 said:
Just overall how fluid is the OS and overall user experience?
I had a chance to test the Note 5 at Best Buy recently and really liked the experience.
Everything was instant iphone like.
Have to admit love or hate them, Apple builds a rock solid user experience on lesser hardware and Android as great as it is can take a page from Apple based on this aspect alone.
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There is more to user experience than fluid animations in the UI, and trends in the market have proven that out. Apple has done more apeing of Android in recent years than the other way around. For example, they told us that the 3G/4/4s were the perfect size for user experience. Android OEMs proved that optimizing a display for the eyes by making it larger was more important than optimizing it for the thumb. Apple made fun of Android, but since the iPhone 5 their displays have gotten larger. They also had the perfect screen resolution before increasing theirs to match Android starting with the iPhone 6.
In the UI, Apple used to mock widgets as confusing and unnecessary UI clutter before they added something sorta like widgets to iOS. They also had to catch up to Android's better implementation of notifications. And iOS is still famously non-customizable, which keeps lots of people away from it.
So obviously Android is doing a few things right when it comes to user experience, which is why I wrote:
CafeKampuchia said:
It's just my opinion, but I can't imagine basing a decision like this on how smoothly the device scrolls pages on the homescreen or flips between apps. It's amazing how much influence Apple's propaganda has had on even non-Apple users.
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I don't need Apple propagandists telling me what perfect user experience is so I'll think their designers and engineers have miraculously produced that for me.
If fluid animations in the UI is what defines good user experience for you, then you should consider the iPhone S6 Plus. I hear it's a great device.
This video is exactly what I'm talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoZkqT_CItc
In 2015, you don't hear those stories coming from the Apple camp and lets face it you still hear that coming from Android users with newer devices.
To me the Note 5 is the first Android phone I've used that's "lag free" in fluidity.
That may not mean much to you guys but I'd say that's damn good considering the amount of lag complaints re: touchwiz all over the internet.
Which leads me back to my original point...I don't need to "just buy an iphone if I want to avoid lag!"
In my opinion, I think that's an absurd comment considering the power these devices have and the fact I'm on an Android tech forum praising the Note 5 for its speedy performance!!!!
Being very familiar with both OSs & phones and a fan of good tech overall, I say its good to see both camps producing great products.
I'm just asking for those of you who've owned and used both Note 4 & 5 Exynos versions, how would you say the performance and user experience has been for you?
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I'm just asking for those of you who've owned and used both Note 4 & 5 Exynos versions, how would you say the performance and user experience has been for you?
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Well...I have owned both the Note 4 Exynos and Snapdragon versions, and atm I have the Note 5.
The N4 SD we can disregard completely as the Exynos version is much smoother and faster, and without the overheating issues of the SD.
The N4 Exynos with stock rom I found basically pretty smooth, but even so still some improvements were necessary.
With a custom rom and custom kernel (and a couple other build.prop tweaks) everything was rather very smooth and fast and I could use my N4 almost to full satisfaction.
I am specifically referring to scrolling behaviour and speed of opening apps. Also worth mentioning is RAM management (far too quickly closing of recent apps).
This has never been great on TW phones, and indeed this goes for both Note 4's and also the Note 5.
Now...the Note 5. Speed and smoothness are exceptional imo, even on stock rom and without a custom kernel. But...RAM management is still crap to be honest!
Just 3 or 4 apps recent apps and you will find one closed when you open a 5th app...ridiculous really (especially with so much RAM).
So, I rooted my Note 5 and applied some build.prop tweaks and now RAM management is great.
I can easily open more than 15 (!) apps and not have them closed automatically by TW. Scrolling is also a bit more smooth with the build.prop tweaks implemented.
Thirdly you can activate the 'Enforce GPU rendering' option within Developer Menu. It does help somewhat with smoother scrolling.
So...that's it. Hoping my info is helpful to you.
Thanks Daffie!
That's exactly what I was looking for
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Well...I have owned both the Note 4 Exynos and Snapdragon versions, and atm I have the Note 5.
The N4 SD we can disregard completely as the Exynos version is much smoother and faster, and without the overheating issues of the SD.
The N4 Exynos with stock rom I found basically pretty smooth, but even so still some improvements were necessary.
With a custom rom and custom kernel (and a couple other build.prop tweaks) everything was rather very smooth and fast and I could use my N4 almost to full satisfaction.
I am specifically referring to scrolling behaviour and speed of opening apps. Also worth mentioning is RAM management (far too quickly closing of recent apps).
This has never been great on TW phones, and indeed this goes for both Note 4's and also the Note 5.
Now...the Note 5. Speed and smoothness are exceptional imo, even on stock rom and without a custom kernel. But...RAM management is still crap to be honest!
Just 3 or 4 apps recent apps and you will find one closed when you open a 5th app...ridiculous really (especially with so much RAM).
So, I rooted my Note 5 and applied some build.prop tweaks and now RAM management is great.
I can easily open more than 15 (!) apps and not have them closed automatically by TW. Scrolling is also a bit more smooth with the build.prop tweaks implemented.
Thirdly you can activate the 'Enforce GPU rendering' option within Developer Menu. It does help somewhat with smoother scrolling.
So...that's it. Hoping my info is helpful to you.
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...RAM management is still crap to be honest!
Just 3 or 4 apps recent apps and you will find one closed when you open a 5th app...ridiculous really (especially with so much RAM).
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Sorry but on my unrooted and updated Note 5 I currently have 21 recent apps listed, and you would never know as there is no slowdown and no RAM issues.
ECdOc said:
Sorry but on my unrooted and updated Note 5 I currently have 21 recent apps listed, and you would never know as there is no slowdown and no RAM issues.
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Hmm...that sure is weird indeed...but good news for you I based my point on my own experience, and also on user experience on Dutch Note 5 forum and XDA, as well as several news stories / reviews which also had the RAM management issue. Strange case apparently then of some Note 5's performing well and other don't
Oh and btw...I was referring very specifically to recent apps being CLOSED unnecessarily by TW. From your remark it isn't clear whether you have this issue or you don't. You only say 'there is no slowdown and no RAM issues'. I have no slowdown on my Note 5. Just making sure everybody's on the same page here
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tiguy99 said:
Thanks Daffie!
That's exactly what I was looking for
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You're very welcome :good:
ECdOc said:
Sorry but on my unrooted and updated Note 5 I currently have 21 recent apps listed, and you would never know as there is no slowdown and no RAM issues.
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They are "present" in recent apps visually but when you re-open them you'll find they reload. Samsung's explanation is that apps beyond a certain (unexplained) threshold are killed to maximize battery life. It doesn't really affect me the way I use my phone but it bothers the crap out of some people.
Here's a video
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Oh and btw...I was referring very specifically to recent apps being CLOSED unnecessarily by TW. From your remark it isn't clear whether you have this issue or you don't. You only say 'there is no slowdown and no RAM issues'. I have no slowdown on my Note 5. Just making sure everybody's on the same page here
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They are "present" in recent apps visually but when you re-open them you'll find they reload. Samsung's explanation is that apps beyond a certain (unexplained) threshold are killed to maximize battery life. It doesn't really affect me the way I use my phone but it bothers the crap out of some people.
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Thanks for the clarification, I have never noticed an issue with apps reloading but probably because it really doesn't make a difference as quick as everything opens. I'll keep an eye on it though.
I also agree with both of you, with the speed of the Note 5 opening apps is no problem really...even when they are closed automatically too quickly. With my former Note 4 this really was an issue. Not so much with the Note 5 :good:
CafeKampuchia said:
It's just my opinion, but I can't imagine basing a decision like this on how smoothly the device scrolls pages on the homescreen or flips between apps. It's amazing how much influence Apple's propaganda has had on even non-Apple users.
Both the Note 4 and Note 5 are powerful tools that are functionally very similar, but have very different price tags.
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Note5-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-4_id4064
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This link is a good example of what we've been discussing for the past 2 days
I messed around with a Note 4 (SM-N910C/Exynos 5433) right after a Note5 at a Samsung store in Bangkok today. I noticed no lag, frame drops or hesitation in either device. Both were running 5.1.1.
Awesome!! BIG Thanks to everyone in this thread.
Your feedback and thoughts are exactly what I need to make my decision
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I messed around with a Note 4 (SM-N910C/Exynos 5433) right after a Note5 at a Samsung store in Bangkok today. I noticed no lag, frame drops or hesitation in either device. Both were running 5.1.1.
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I have been eyeing this phone for a while now, mainly for the battery life. However, I have read on the Reddit forums about issues with lag in general everyday usage which theoretically shouldn't have in comparison with other lesser powered phones.
Have any of you owning this phone experience this?.
Appreciate your inputs!
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Won't that significantly reduce battery life?
To answer OP, I have not really experienced lags, it happened sometimes while quick switching apps, nothing annoying. But reading user reports show there is something, probably related to user habits, installed apps, etc. N7+ software needs some polishing?
System animations are definitely not well optimized. Specially app switching makes it stutter a lot. Doing the trick mentioned above seemed to have helped somewhat with app opening animations but app switching is still stuttering as mad. Hope they fix it in an update. This phone surely is capable of being smooth all around.
I have experienced this. Stutter was huge while switching apps and going from home screen to Google now. After doing the trick mentioned in the second post it's much better. Still not perfect though.
No stutter here, running on O 8.1 May security update. 7+ TA 1055
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I'm on the same build (8.1), May Update and model 7+TA 1055. Definitely getting lag with swiping to Google app and multitasking. Also tried the disabling of the components shown in 2nd post. Can't see a difference. Will return it and try another 7+. Can't bear to give up yet, the rest of the phone, I like a lot...?
I installed the android P beta, and the stutter is completely gone. Also, on 8.1 i was experiencing a Little delay while closing apps, which is gone either. Although there are some minor bugs in P, i prefere P anyways.
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I installed the android P beta, and the stutter is completely gone. Also, on 8.1 i was experiencing a Little delay while closing apps, which is gone either. Although there are some minor bugs in P, i prefere P anyways.
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I'm glad to hear that! I've also been watching footage on YouTube on Android P for N7+. It certainly looks smoother to me as well. I'm just to chicken to flash to P and flash back. Anyways I hope Nokia doesn't wait until P to start the optimisations. For now, I'm simply not using the Google app lol.
I am on Oreo 8.1....there is definite lag and hiccup in general performance..with SD 660 and pure android, it should be butter smooth.
Thanks for all the replies so far. Seems like the lags are due to lack of software optimization and not a deal breaker issue. Here in Hong Kong it is selling for 315 USD, I think I'm gonna take that deal.
Hello guys,
I've considered buying MiA2 this month for my daily driver. Previously I used Pocophone f1 and sold it immediately after 1 month usage because I'm so tired of that stupid touch issues. And I also already used Redmi Note 5 (whyred) before, I bought it in first week release. And I'm not really satisfied with the performance (it's underclocked version of 660) that's why I upgraded to poco.
Currently I'm using my old s7 edge, and it's really not optimized for pubg mobile.
The MiA2 battery life won't bother me, even tho it has 3000mah. I always use greenify and it also has qc3.0 so that won't be problem.
I play pubg in my free time, so tell me about the gameplay performance (if you use gfxtool or such thing for 60fps) because I've seen everywhere that SD660 and adreno 512 is capable and optimized for this game.
The only thing I scared is the touch issues, I want to know about the touch responsiveness and touch latency on this phone. Is it good? Normal? Or there is problem and it's kind of laggy and not responsive to swipe, scroll or typing fast?
It's really annoying issue on poco, you can't type fast, you can't swipe or scroll freely without lags, and you can't play games because of the unresponsive crazy touch. I hope there is no such thing on MiA2
fyi, I also root my phone. So root or twrp to fix some problems is okay for me as long there is a fix for the problem.
I want to know your opinion, thanks
In my opinion don'y buy this phone for PUBG, it doesn't even run stable 60fps and idk if it's the same problem you mentioned with the Poco, but I'm having touch and responsiveness issues myself. Get something with a SD8xx.
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In my opinion don'y buy this phone for PUBG, it doesn't even run stable 60fps and idk if it's the same problem you mentioned with the Poco, but I'm having touch and responsiveness issues myself. Get something with a SD8xx.
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That's why I made this thread, I saw videos on youtube showing touch problem also exist on this phone.
By the way, thanks for your reply :good:
ferdieses said:
Hello guys,
Currently I'm using my old s7 edge, and it's really not optimized for pubg mobile.
The MiA2 battery life won't bother me, even tho it has 3000mah. I always use greenify and it also has qc3.0 so that won't be problem.
I play pubg in my free time, so tell me about the gameplay performance (if you use gfxtool or such thing for 60fps) because I've seen everywhere that SD660 and adreno 512 is capable and optimized for this game.
The only thing I scared is the touch issues, I want to know about the touch responsiveness and touch latency on this phone. Is it good? Normal? Or there is problem and it's kind of laggy and not responsive to swipe, scroll or typing fast?
It's really annoying issue on poco, you can't type fast, you can't swipe or scroll freely without lags, and you can't play games because of the unresponsive crazy touch. I hope there is no such thing on MiA2
I want to know your opinion, thanks
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I use gfx tool and get a stable 60 fps on balanced graphics. The performance of this phone is pretty solid and can play any games at almost max settings. There's no problem in touch responsiveness and the stock OS feels great. I'd have gotten the poco f1 if I simply needed pure gaming performance. The difference between normal day to day usage experience of Mi A2 and poco f1 is negligible. Typing, scrolling and basic touch functions are great. I'd recommend this phone to you if you can overlook a few bugs like the proximity sensor.
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KreeeKz said:
In my opinion don'y buy this phone for PUBG, it doesn't even run stable 60fps and idk if it's the same problem you mentioned with the Poco, but I'm having touch and responsiveness issues myself. Get something with a SD8xx.
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I never had any touch and responsiveness issues whatsoever. Might be a software bug. Try a factory reset and see if it fixed it.
[email protected] said:
I use gfx tool and get a stable 60 fps on balanced graphics. The performance of this phone is pretty solid and can play any games at almost max settings. There's no problem in touch responsiveness and the stock OS feels great. I'd have gotten the poco f1 if I simply needed pure gaming performance. The difference between normal day to day usage experience of Mi A2 and poco f1 is negligible. Typing, scrolling and basic touch functions are great. I'd recommend this phone to you if you can overlook a few bugs like the proximity sensor.
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Oh nice to know that, so you're using stock pie?
And about that proximity bug, is there any fix yet?
ferdieses said:
Oh nice to know that, so you're using stock pie?
And about that proximity bug, is there any fix yet?
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I am using stock pie and the proximity bug is kind of a hit or miss situation. It works most of the time, but when it doesn't it's really annoying. The placement of the sensor is a little odd and I don't think it is simply a software issue. Although in pie, it's much more better than Oreo.
[email protected] said:
I never had any touch and responsiveness issues whatsoever. Might be a software bug. Try a factory reset and see if it fixed it.
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From what I see on forum, most people fixed it by doing a factory reset just like you said. Well, I hope it's true
[email protected] said:
I am using stock pie and the proximity bug is kind of a hit or miss situation. It works most of the time, but when it doesn't it's really annoying. The placement of the sensor is a little odd and I don't think it is simply a software issue. Although in pie, it's much more better than Oreo.
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Ahh I see, then it's not the software problem anymore. It's just the placement
ferdieses said:
Hello guys,
I play pubg in my free time, so tell me about the gameplay performance (if you use gfxtool or such thing for 60fps) because I've seen everywhere that SD660 and adreno 512 is capable and optimized for this game.
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I personally never had any major issues with this phone, i'm really enjoying a great cheap phone. The closest competitor in Brazil, hardware wise, is roughly double the price, which is the Moto Z3 Play running the SD636. I Had the CPU Maxed out bug but Xiaomi solved it on the 2nd October Update. Since then the device is running great, but heavy gaming isn't good. Regular games like Clash of Clans, Temple Run 2, Clash Royale, etc will run absolutely fine, but heavier titles like PUBG will struggle. It's definitely playable, but not the smoothest experience. For that you should look into the OnePlus 6/6T or anything else running an SD835 or SD845.
Even though it's a 3000mAh battery, It performs admirably, and people are saying it get's even better on Pie, which I didn't receive yet.
did you try the lineage build on the poco? same touch issues?
laviniu_c said:
did you try the lineage build on the poco? same touch issues?
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Same, whatever custom rom based on oreo and pie including Lineage. Nothing's changed, and it's only get worse on MIUI beta where they said they fix it in that firmware update. Some said on Lineage 16 it's better but not fixed, the problem still there.
And I sold it immediately, xiaomi and poco team seems like they don't even care about that problem.
Well I just hope that this MiA2/6x got the fix for the issue. I hate notches, this is one of the few 660 without notch.
Anyone using Mi6x? Is it good as the A2 besides the Android One and MIUI?
ferdieses said:
Hello guys,
I've considered buying MiA2 this month for my daily driver. Previously I used Pocophone f1 and sold it immediately after 1 month usage because I'm so tired of that stupid touch issues. And I also already used Redmi Note 5 (whyred) before, I bought it in first week release. And I'm not really satisfied with the performance (it's underclocked version of 660) that's why I upgraded to poco.
Currently I'm using my old s7 edge, and it's really not optimized for pubg mobile.
The MiA2 battery life won't bother me, even tho it has 3000mah. I always use greenify and it also has qc3.0 so that won't be problem.
I play pubg in my free time, so tell me about the gameplay performance (if you use gfxtool or such thing for 60fps) because I've seen everywhere that SD660 and adreno 512 is capable and optimized for this game.
The only thing I scared is the touch issues, I want to know about the touch responsiveness and touch latency on this phone. Is it good? Normal? Or there is problem and it's kind of laggy and not responsive to swipe, scroll or typing fast?
It's really annoying issue on poco, you can't type fast, you can't swipe or scroll freely without lags, and you can't play games because of the unresponsive crazy touch. I hope there is no such thing on MiA2
fyi, I also root my phone. So root or twrp to fix some problems is okay for me as long there is a fix for the problem.
I want to know your opinion, thanks
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I never had any issues with PUBG. It automatically detected and set to medium texture and I even played in HD and it worked flawlessly. I never had a single lag or freeze. The performance is solid. Go for it.
My opinion is that the phone is overall great. Not the best value for the money and I'm certainly not happy with the state of custom development or lack thereof. But a SD660 should be good for gaming (which I don't care about), the phone is snappy in day to day usage and the battery is decent. Cameras are also pretty good.
The thing is that it's just not what I wanted or thought it was going to be like and if I could choose again, I'd probably choose the Note 5 Plus (SD636) or the A2 Lite at the time that I've bought it, and definitely the F1 had I waited 2-3 months more.
Never the less, I'll keep on using it because there is simply nothing wrong with the phone, it's just not the best value.
@ferdieses
I've had the Mi A2 since launch (the 6GB/128GB variant) and, because I never had high expectations (e.g., flagship performance/features), I'm generally happy with it.
The first few months were hit and miss with stability issues (CPU frequency/eMMC slowness/battery life) but the Mi A2 is at a point where it works well enough to recommend. Everything about it is far above average but not quite excellent (e.g., 7.5/10).
The only caveat is cellular connectivity. In Canada, it works okay. In the US, it's hit or miss but in Asia, its intended territory, it excels.
mrumais said:
I never had any issues with PUBG. It automatically detected and set to medium texture and I even played in HD and it worked flawlessly. I never had a single lag or freeze. The performance is solid. Go for it.
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That's what I thought, SD660 is good for pubg. Even not all SD835 devices optimized for that game.
ILA said:
My opinion is that the phone is overall great. Not the best value for the money and I'm certainly not happy with the state of custom development or lack thereof. But a SD660 should be good for gaming (which I don't care about), the phone is snappy in day to day usage and the battery is decent. Cameras are also pretty good.
The thing is that it's just not what I wanted or thought it was going to be like and if I could choose again, I'd probably choose the Note 5 Plus (SD636) or the A2 Lite at the time that I've bought it, and definitely the F1 had I waited 2-3 months more.
Never the less, I'll keep on using it because there is simply nothing wrong with the phone, it's just not the best value.
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Ahh I see, you're right. It's not the best value, but it's not bad either.
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@ferdieses
I've had the Mi A2 since launch (the 6GB/128GB variant) and, because I never had high expectations (e.g., flagship performance/features), I'm generally happy with it.
The first few months were hit and miss with stability issues (CPU frequency/eMMC slowness/battery life) but the Mi A2 is at a point where it works well enough to recommend. Everything about it is far above average but not quite excellent (e.g., 7.5/10).
The only caveat is cellular connectivity. In Canada, it works okay. In the US, it's hit or miss but in Asia, its intended territory, it excels.
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I live in Asia so cellular connectivity won't be problem. It's a good phone but not the best. From what I see most Xiaomi devices suffers from issues on the first few months, it's usual thing for Xiaomi and that's kinda sucks.
Nexus S -> galaxy S2-> Nexus 4 -> LG G2->oneplus one, and now Mi A2 128GB 6GB ram.
What can i say...
Nexus S 350 euros (second hand)
Galaxy s2 360 euros (new)
Nexus 4 almost 500 euros (second hand)
Lg g2 190 euros (second hand)
Oneplus one 64GB (second hand) 230 euros
Mi A2 128GB 6GB ram 230 euros (new)
So the OPO was with me from beginning of 2015 up to a week ago. Went from COS, to CM, to Lineage OS, had to change firmware files for modem and such, data would stop working, random reboots when using waze, etc. Loved the opo, and if it wasnt these issues, mainly the lack of battery life and the rabdom reboots, i would have stayed with it one more year.
Back to now, Mi A2, is a Nexus, or a pixel for the "poors", we will have the updates thats sure, and sure it wont take 6 months like skinned android. So thats great. And one of the things im most looking for.
SD660, is great, but the gpu... It's nothing special. Expect medium settings.
Ram? More than enough. Now where it may lose most of it speed is in the emmc department, emmc 5.1 is fast! But nothing like UFS wich is basically equivalent to a good sata ssd.
I dont regret my purchase, its way faster than the opo althought it also had emmc 5.1, the screen looks great, camera had me impressed, battery life ? (65GB of apps and games?). Better than this, there is the F1 but... Plastic? Iphony android? Almost 100 euros more for half the storage (which is ufs on the F1), infrared for faceunlock (could not care less for that),a "better'" camera and SoC.
If gaming is your main point, go F1! Or since you had a bad experience, go 6T?
If gaming is secondary like for me it is... Got a 1070 Ti at home, no need to game on the phone ? for me, my phone is listen to music, mail, messages, take random pics and browse the web.
And you prefer updates, build quality, and saving some money to buy cases, a powerbank, a QC 3.0 charger,... Go Mi A2 ?
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One more thing i need to had... I like modding my phone and such, but i got into a time of my life that ain't nobody got time for that ?
So i apreciate updates and right off the bat clean android.
I picked this phone up as secondary device/work phone. I've had it for about 6 months now, after spending some time trawling reviews, and I find myself dissapointed.
I have updated the firmware every time to see if issues are resolved, however I am still not 100% happy.
My main issues are as follows:
Battery life seems really random, even with very little running, especially for a 5000Mah battery.
Performance feels heavily capped
I feel like the hardware of this phone just isn't being properly utilised, or has been performanced capped (maybe to try and prevent taking market share from the company's higher end devices). My personal mobile is an Oppo Find X2 Pro, using a Snapdragon 865, and whilst some stuff is noticeably fast and as snappy as I'd expect from the Snapdragon 888 in this phone, other things just feel slow or stuttery. Perfect example is games. In many games, like Diablo Immortal, the older Find X2 Pro sits around 60FPS with few issues and reasonable settings.
If I try to run the same settings with this phone, I'm greeted with a much more variable 40-60 FPS, which no amount of tweaking the settings seems to fix. There is no way the Snapdragon 865 should be outperforming the 888, but it is. The underlying OS is very similar as Oppo and Realme are part of the same group, to the point they even use the same game toolkit, but despite all this and the better hardware, the Realme is outperformed by the older Find X2 Pro.
Am I the only one getting this experience?
it is a great phone but I agree to you at the most
For me the best problem is the Os .
The apps is free to do what they want without a capable phone manager to stop them.
I also have this phone since it came out, very disappointed! Bad battery, heating, low performance in most apps, camera colors, audio etc.
alexrose1uk said:
Perfect example is games. In many games, like Diablo Immortal, the older Find X2 Pro sits around 60FPS with few issues and reasonable settings. If I try to run the same settings with this phone, I'm greeted with a much more variable 40-60 FPS, which no amount of tweaking the settings seems to fix.
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Can't believe no one is talking about this..
Got mine weeks ago with first release of Android 12 pre-installed (from October 2021). Performance was amazing, Diablo was buttery smooth even stupidly maxed-out. Did only one OTA update (still Android 12 after that), it killed performance from every games even at low settings, stutters was everywhere, even at 30FPS cap, unnaceptable. Then did OTA to Android 13, same even with factory reset. Was thinking of returning it at that point.
Then, tried to unlock bootloader to clean install the oldest Android 12 available from here. Games was again buttery smooth, but camera app was crashing and OS had weird glitchs, soo.. was stuck here, disapointed. Tried using the newest Adreno GPU Drivers with root, same garbage performance from games. Debloated the entire rom, same. What's strange is that benchmarks results like 3DMark doesn't show any degradation from good A12 to bad A12/A13.. was thinking it could be refresh rate related but even tweaking with SmartHertz didn't help.
I'm now on Pixel OS (available from the official website), performance is amazing, original GT2 camera app is pre-installed (quality is exactly the same as ColorOs), have unlimited space usage from Photos in original quality, and everything is working. You also don't need SmartHertz to get everything in 120Hz (like Brave), "adaptative" resfresh rate is working too (60/120Hz). Battery life, got 12H SOT on a three days basis with mostly browsing usage, some photos, little games, and basic power saver on, ended at 7%. Pretty happy now, it's surprisely good for a rom this early.
So yes, all of this crap is ColorOS related. Something got broken somewhere at the A12 2022 timeline.
They unfortunately halted (momentarily ?) their unlock server so..
@Lightning- , are you talking about pixelos from this site? https://pixelos.net/download/porsche
Can you also point to a tutorial on how to get back to stock after flashing pixelos?
Yes, this one. There is also LineageOS rom but it just keep bootlooping on my side for some reason.
Revert to stock : https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/collection-of-ota-packages.4542941/post-88558929 + https://github.com/italorecife/OppoRealme-OFP-Flash
For me it is the battery life and the lack of modification to the rom
Lightning- said:
Can't believe no one is talking about this..
Got mine weeks ago with first release of Android 12 pre-installed (from October 2021). Performance was amazing, Diablo was buttery smooth even stupidly maxed-out. Did only one OTA update (still Android 12 after that), it killed performance from every games even at low settings, stutters was everywhere, even at 30FPS cap, unnaceptable. Then did OTA to Android 13, same even with factory reset. Was thinking of returning it at that point.
Then, tried to unlock bootloader to clean install the oldest Android 12 available from here. Games was again buttery smooth, but camera app was crashing and OS had weird glitchs, soo.. was stuck here, disapointed. Tried using the newest Adreno GPU Drivers with root, same garbage performance from games. Debloated the entire rom, same. What's strange is that benchmarks results like 3DMark doesn't show any degradation from good A12 to bad A12/A13.. was thinking it could be refresh rate related but even tweaking with SmartHertz didn't help.
I'm now on Pixel OS (available from the official website), performance is amazing, original GT2 camera app is pre-installed (quality is exactly the same as ColorOs), have unlimited space usage from Photos in original quality, and everything is working. You also don't need SmartHertz to get everything in 120Hz (like Brave), "adaptative" resfresh rate is working too (60/120Hz). Battery life, got 12H SOT on a three days basis with mostly browsing usage, some photos, little games, and basic power saver on, ended at 7%. Pretty happy now, it's surprisely good for a rom this early.
So yes, all of this crap is ColorOS related. Something got broken somewhere at the A12 2022 timeline.
They unfortunately halted (momentarily ?) their unlock server so..
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This is really informative, thank you. I just wanted to ask if the microphone problem that this phone had is fixed when using Pixel OS?
friends, I'm on rmx3311_11_A.13 software right now and I don't like it especially charging and heating. there is rmx3311_11_A.22 update now, should i install it
alexrose1uk said:
I picked this phone up as secondary device/work phone. I've had it for about 6 months now, after spending some time trawling reviews, and I find myself dissapointed.
I have updated the firmware every time to see if issues are resolved, however I am still not 100% happy.
My main issues are as follows:
Battery life seems really random, even with very little running, especially for a 5000Mah battery.
Performance feels heavily capped
I feel like the hardware of this phone just isn't being properly utilised, or has been performanced capped (maybe to try and prevent taking market share from the company's higher end devices). My personal mobile is an Oppo Find X2 Pro, using a Snapdragon 865, and whilst some stuff is noticeably fast and as snappy as I'd expect from the Snapdragon 888 in this phone, other things just feel slow or stuttery. Perfect example is games. In many games, like Diablo Immortal, the older Find X2 Pro sits around 60FPS with few issues and reasonable settings.
If I try to run the same settings with this phone, I'm greeted with a much more variable 40-60 FPS, which no amount of tweaking the settings seems to fix. There is no way the Snapdragon 865 should be outperforming the 888, but it is. The underlying OS is very similar as Oppo and Realme are part of the same group, to the point they even use the same game toolkit, but despite all this and the better hardware, the Realme is outperformed by the older Find X2 Pro.
Am I the only one getting this experience?
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On Android 13 the CPU has been capped to 80°c which otherwise would be 95°c, this is done in order to reduce overheating, this increases battery backup however reduces performance by 10-20%, there is a magisk module I've made that unlocks this cap if you want I can send
Lightning- said:
Can't believe no one is talking about this..
Got mine weeks ago with first release of Android 12 pre-installed (from October 2021). Performance was amazing, Diablo was buttery smooth even stupidly maxed-out. Did only one OTA update (still Android 12 after that), it killed performance from every games even at low settings, stutters was everywhere, even at 30FPS cap, unnaceptable. Then did OTA to Android 13, same even with factory reset. Was thinking of returning it at that point.
Then, tried to unlock bootloader to clean install the oldest Android 12 available from here. Games was again buttery smooth, but camera app was crashing and OS had weird glitchs, soo.. was stuck here, disapointed. Tried using the newest Adreno GPU Drivers with root, same garbage performance from games. Debloated the entire rom, same. What's strange is that benchmarks results like 3DMark doesn't show any degradation from good A12 to bad A12/A13.. was thinking it could be refresh rate related but even tweaking with SmartHertz didn't help.
I'm now on Pixel OS (available from the official website), performance is amazing, original GT2 camera app is pre-installed (quality is exactly the same as ColorOs), have unlimited space usage from Photos in original quality, and everything is working. You also don't need SmartHertz to get everything in 120Hz (like Brave), "adaptative" resfresh rate is working too (60/120Hz). Battery life, got 12H SOT on a three days basis with mostly browsing usage, some photos, little games, and basic power saver on, ended at 7%. Pretty happy now, it's surprisely good for a rom this early.
So yes, all of this crap is ColorOS related. Something got broken somewhere at the A12 2022 timeline.
They unfortunately halted (momentarily ?) their unlock server so..
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Have you encountered any issues so far with pixel os, because I'm scared of changing the rom of the device.
BGGR said:
Have you encountered any issues so far with pixel os, because I'm scared of changing the rom of the device.
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I suggest you stay on Realme UI since it seems to be more stable than any other AOSP based rom rn, it has better battery backup and camera quality too, but the choice is yours
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Have you encountered any issues so far with pixel os, because I'm scared of changing the rom of the device.
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Almost three weeks with POS. I don't have any issue at all, better than stock, better battery life, no stability issue (no FC or randoms reboot), and camera is the exact same (tested with two GT2, one with POS and one with RUI 13 locked bootloader, there is ZERO difference in photos..). It has unlimited storage too with Google Photos at original quality (even with RAW), wich is a big plus by itself, no root required.
LineageOS is available too but it always bootloop on mine so can't test it.
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Almost three weeks with POS. I don't have any issue at all, better than stock, better battery life, no stability issue (no FC or randoms reboot), and camera is the exact same (tested with two GT2, one with POS and one with RUI 13 locked bootloader, there is ZERO difference in photos..). It has unlimited storage too with Google Photos at original quality (even with RAW), wich is a big plus by itself, no root required.
LineageOS is available too but it always bootloop on mine so can't test it.
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Will I be able to return to RUI in the future if I install a custom rom? (And still get the updates). Also How did you unlock the bootloader. The deep test app doesn't seem to work.