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Do you think the american Nexus 6 will be unlocked even when bought on contract? Sometime similar to how all Verizon's devices come unlocked??
The Nexus has never been locked even on carrier subsidy. But Verizon does things in mysterious ways....
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I hope not. I'd like to be able to buy this on carrier subsidy as I'm due for an upgrade and would like to not have to pay full price. Don't plan on moving off AT&T anytime soon, so yeah. But if the device is bootloader locked on subsidy I'll be pretty frustrated.
I'm betting it'll be just like any other subsidized phone. I doubt they'll lock the bootloader but carrier lock I'd bet on.
I'll blow a gasket if AT&T locks it down as I too have been due for a upgrade for years and since ive decided not to jump ship then I might as well get something out of it by buying a subsidized phone.
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I hope AT&T doesn't lock the bootloader so I can get one on the Next program :good:
Att.Fan1982 said:
I hope AT&T doesn't lock the bootloader so I can get one on the Next program :good:
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Locking a Nexus bootloader is sacrilege. I highly doubt that would be the case. Verizon didn't even lock the bootloader on the GNex when they had it. Can't speak for carrier locking though, as after that GNex debacle, I buy my phones off-contract.
what is the benefit of buying phone from carrier vs google store? granted carrier will subsidizes upfront cost of the phone. is there any other benefits when buying from carrier over google store?
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what is the benefit of buying phone from carrier vs google store? granted carrier will subsidizes upfront cost of the phone. is there any other benefits when buying from carrier over google store?
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Subsidized phones are cheaper. Its why programs like Jump and T-Nobiles 'no contract' pricing is a scam.
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Subsidized phones are cheaper. Its why programs like Jump and T-Nobiles 'no contract' pricing is a scam.
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Exactly. Same thing with ATT if you buy it unlocked(google play, no contract) then you simply pay $15/month if your on mobile share plan. If you take a two contract(subsidiy) then you pay $40/month. If you do ATT next you pay a lease fee of $30 dollars or so monthly plus the $15. So its more expensive monthly but you can pay the phone off when you want.
So two yr vs unlocked, $40-$15=$25(the difference). So $25/month x 24 months=$600(roughly price of phone.
In short, its the same thing, they always get their money, its just over what period they get it, you still pay. If you have the money buy it from google play, and have a cheaper monthly bill.
it will eventually be unlocked
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it will eventually be unlocked
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If it's not sold unlocked, its not a Nexus.
I know some of you said something about carrier unlock. So does anyone here know what the chances are that AT&T unlocks the carrier lock so that we can get OTA updates just like the unlocked version from the Play Store?
Trying to avoid paying $649 all of once, so if I can get the same phone from AT&T while making installments using Next, that would be awesome.
I'm assuming that the carrier phone be the same exact phone as the unlocked one, only difference being carrier lock.
I've owned three nexus phone gnex nexus 4 and 5 not one has been carrier locked
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If it's not sold unlocked, its not a Nexus.
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"Nexus phones are always sold at a much cheaper price than other flagship phones."
Time's are changing...hopefully you're right though.
tawfiqmp said:
I know some of you said something about carrier unlock. So does anyone here know what the chances are that AT&T unlocks the carrier lock so that we can get OTA updates just like the unlocked version from the Play Store?
Trying to avoid paying $649 all of once, so if I can get the same phone from AT&T while making installments using Next, that would be awesome.
I'm assuming that the carrier phone be the same exact phone as the unlocked one, only difference being carrier lock.
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I would like to avoid paying $649 as well by using my AT&T upgrade (no plans to leave so may as well take the discount)...however I won't buy a "compromised" Nexus. Worst case scenario I'll buy a S5, Note 4, or even iPhone 6 on contract and then sell it on eBay to make up for paying the full $649 for the Nexus 6.
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"Nexus phones are always sold at a much cheaper price than other flagship phones."
Time's are changing...hopefully you're right though.
I would like to avoid paying $649 as well by using my AT&T upgrade (no plans to leave so may as well take the discount)...however I won't buy a "compromised" Nexus. Worst case scenario I'll buy a S5, Note 4, or even iPhone 6 on contract and then sell it on eBay to make up for paying the full $649 for the Nexus 6.
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But what if it's not comprimised? I mean if you can change it to be exactly like the one you can buy from the Play Store, what really is the difference? Big IFs because we don't know enough right now, but I mean I would be certainly fine with turning into a "Play Store Edition" if I have the ability to do so.
If I can't, then yeah, I'm definitely not buying one from AT&T. I'd rather just get it straight from the Play Store and just pay the full $649 up front.
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But what if it's not comprimised? I mean if you can change it to be exactly like the one you can buy from the Play Store, what really is the difference? Big IFs because we don't know enough right now, but I mean I would be certainly fine with turning into a "Play Store Edition" if I have the ability to do so.
If I can't, then yeah, I'm definitely not buying one from AT&T. I'd rather just get it straight from the Play Store and just pay the full $649 up front.
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If it's not compromised, then it's a no-brainer for me to buy the cheaper one.
If it's compromised but still possible to change it to be almost exactly like the one from Google, then it's just a question of do I prefer to workaround the compromise or is it simply easier to buy the Google version and then use the contract to buy then sell a flagship phone on eBay to recoup the difference.
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If it's not compromised, then it's a no-brainer for me to buy the cheaper one.
If it's compromised but still possible to change it to be almost exactly like the one from Google, then it's just a question of do I prefer to workaround the compromise or is it simply easier to buy the Google version and then use the contract to buy then sell a flagship phone on eBay to recoup the difference.
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Makes sense.
Att.Fan1982 said:
I hope AT&T doesn't lock the bootloader so I can get one on the Next program :good:
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You do know the Next program is a complete and utter scam, right?
http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/16/4528404/att-next-phone-upgrade-plans-a-huge-ripoff
http://www.phonearena.com/news/AT-T-Next-scam-youre-paying-twice-and-ETO-is-a-better-option_id45379
http://www.inquisitr.com/1170157/att-next-and-phone-upgrades-the-smart-scam/
http://www.imore.com/att-makes-next-plans-easier-get-still-not-good-value-they-should-be
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You do know the Next program is a complete and utter scam, right?
http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/16/4528404/att-next-phone-upgrade-plans-a-huge-ripoff
http://www.phonearena.com/news/AT-T-Next-scam-youre-paying-twice-and-ETO-is-a-better-option_id45379
http://www.inquisitr.com/1170157/att-next-and-phone-upgrades-the-smart-scam/
http://www.imore.com/att-makes-next-plans-easier-get-still-not-good-value-they-should-be
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True but what difference would it make if I, for example, bought the phone from AT&T at full price to avoid the two year contract and next program? I'll still end up paying the $20 or so a month of the subsidiary cost of a two year contract phone. You still end up paying almost double the price of the phone through AT&T's lovely loyalty customer gets f***ed program. Now let's say you're the financially smart guy that decides to buy the phone elsewhere and just use AT&T's service, you may save $100-150 on the cost of the device(which is a significant savings) BUT you still end up paying that $20 or so a month in subsidiary cost over the life of your service. Either way you look at it, you, the customer gets F****D! ☺
Can only find it on mobile phones direct, an online only retailer. And they're taking forever to ship it, and pretty much lied to me about their stock.
So does anyone in the UK know anywhere stocking it? This phone seems so damn hard to get a hold of
I haven't seen it on any network anywhere. I heard P4U had an exclusive on it, but since they've gone bang.....
Yea I think that's what's screwing us over here, the phone seems to be stuck in limbo.
I ended up ordering it via mobile phones direct, they've told me it would be here tomorrow everyday for a week now. Initially was meant to be here last friday. Rung up today and they've told me it is delayed for a week. Could really do with someone else selling it
Clove have them SIM-free:
http://www.clove.co.uk/motorola-moto-x
As well as Amazon
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Motorola-Moto-Smartphone-Black-Resin/dp/B00NBU1MZS
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Clove have them SIM-free:
http://www.clove.co.uk/motorola-moto-x
As well as Amazon
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Motorola-Moto-Smartphone-Black-Resin/dp/B00NBU1MZS
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Yea I'm after a contract
Still no news on the Moto X being on any network. I can't really dish out the nearly £500 for the 32GB
Has anyone heard anything?
Mobilephonesdirect.co.uk are the only provider I've found so far, received mine a couple of days ago
I find it really strange after all the good reviews of this phone, its like the networks are shunning Motorola. I've had online chats with o2 and I've had responses usually worded "we have no updates for this device" I wish they'd just give a yes/no about if its coming soon or not
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I find it really strange after all the good reviews of this phone, its like the networks are shunning Motorola. I've had online chats with o2 and I've had responses usually worded "we have no updates for this device" I wish they'd just give a yes/no about if its coming soon or not
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I spoke with EE who is my provider and they said that they had no idea if they would get the phone because Motorola phones do not sell well (with them).
I played with the Z3 on Wednesday and REALLY liked it. It would have been better if it was close to pure android BUT given the unfortunate circumstances with the lack of availability from the Moto X, I will be purchasing the Z3 this weekend.
I think the networks are missing a trick here, some people are after a stock android experience and the size of the nexus 6 will put some off so will be wanting a device like the moto x.
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I think the networks are missing a trick here, some people are after a stock android experience and the size of the nexus 6 will put some off so will be wanting a device like the moto x.
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I was one of those who was put off by the size of the Nexus 6. Maybe it is Motorola's interest to push the Nexus before its other phones?!
texaslittleangel said:
I was one of those who was put off by the size of the Nexus 6. Maybe it is Motorola's interest to push the Nexus before its other phones?!
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I was going to hold off for the Nexus 6, but after looking around I decided I don't want a handset of that size.
The New Moto X (2014) really took my fancy and my brother bigged up the Moto X (2013) so after a lot of hunting around on the net and trying to get the New Moto X as an upgrade from my service provider with no luck as they haven't heard of it.
I found Mobile Phones Direct on the net and placed my order a few days ago. It arrived yesterday and I unlocked the bootloader (followed guide on Motorola website) straight out of the box and then once loosely set up I rooted it (followed the guides in this forum) to bring back the exposed goodness that I love.
The phone looks great and feels great in the hand, love rooted stock KitKat with exposed.
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I found Mobile Phones Direct on the net and placed my order a few days ago. It arrived yesterday.
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Can I ask is there any network branding on it? Mines coming Monday on EE, also from Mobile phones direct. I figured (hoped) as none of the networks seem to be offering it themselves MPD might just be selling the SIM free model with a contract
Hello there,
No branding or bloatware on the phone at all.
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Hello there,
No branding or bloatware on the phone at all.
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Excellent, thanks for that... Just what I was hoping you would say
Does that mean that mobilephonesdirect sells the pure edition? In spite of their nice price, I would hate ending up with a locked bootloader at the end
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Does that mean that mobilephonesdirect sells the pure edition? In spite of their nice price, I would hate ending up with a locked bootloader at the end
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Going by model number (XT1092 Europe, Asia) its not a Pure Edition (XT1095) but according to the table at this link:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moto_X_(2nd_generation) its SIM Unlocked.
The bootloader was easily unlocked by following the guides in this forum and on the Motorola website (did it as part of my first boot up)
Then rooted after basic set up.
So, BF came and I shot me a verizon unlocked xt1096 somewhat foolishly expecting that unlocked means fully unlocked.....means I can do with it what I want.
Not getting gang raped like the Apple crowd.
But it seems like I was wrong. After some days of just playing around with the new phone and still using my Note2 (rooted) I went ahead and made the full switch........
and got kicked in the balls when I realized that some of my beloved progs won't work because, the thing has a locked bootloader (wtf??) and can't be rooted (another wtf).
Now, I really wonder why this is, since I paid for the phone in full that I can not do with it what I want.
Maybe I am stupid (easily possible) but I don't get this. Can someone please explain why this is that way?
Thanks
K
probably stupid.
Verizon sells SIM unlocked devices. What you want is bootloader unlocked which is only possible on the pure edition devices which only work on At&t or T-Mobile in the states.
Caveat emptor.
Unlocked sim is not the same as unlocked bootloader........ two very different things
You have a logic error there. I bought it from Motorola NOT Verizon. So why does Verzion have control over a piece of equipment I bought from somewhere else?
Just because they "allow" me to pay them for their services?
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Unlocked sim is not the same as unlocked bootloader........ two very different things
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Again, just follow my way of thought please. I buy from Motorola. Full price. And still Verizon has me by the balls? Please explain why.
hungarian said:
..... still Verizon has me by the balls.....
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That pretty much sums it up.
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That pretty much sums it up.
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I am growing pretty tired about that kind of BS in this country. Maybe I was to cradled by consumer protection laws in Europe, but I seriously doubt that kind of BS would fly in Europe.
I had a oneplus one and sold it because Tmobile didnt cover me....... I was with Verizon for 4 years under contract. SO I thought this way I get a better deal......
I really don't understand why Motorola plays that kind of ****.
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I am growing pretty tired about that kind of BS in this country. Maybe I was to cradled by consumer protection laws in Europe, but I seriously doubt that kind of BS would fly in Europe.
I had a oneplus one and sold it because Tmobile didnt cover me....... I was with Verizon for 4 years under contract. SO I thought this way I get a better deal......
I really don't understand why Motorola plays that kind of ****.
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Yes, you were coddled by EU laws, welcome to freedom bro. The ONLY way to get a better deal with Verizon is to never have any form of contact with them, don't even make eye contact with the stores when you pass. :good:
You entered into a voluntary contract and should have read the conditions before signing.
You know, if my clients would be ok with smoke signals and emails, I would....but damn...sometimes those bad people want to talk to me.....
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You entered into a voluntary contract and should have read the conditions before signing.
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What do you mean? I should have asked Motorola if they lock the bootloader in the name of the all so mighty overlord Verizon?
Sorry, but I think if I buy a factory unlocked phone, I should receive a unlocked phone. A phine that is free of the antics and bs of Verizon.
Thats why I opted out of my contract and went with a prepaid solution. Where I bring my own phone.
What nerves me most here, is that everyone takes the dry as* screwing like it is normal that you get drilled up the backside high and dry.
Where is the outcry? Is really everyone so commercially ironed out and conformed that we can be handled like money suppliers that bring their cash anyway?
Please don't answer, I really fear to hear many "yes" or even worse, if you don't like it go back to Europe.
I don't see what the problem is. Your money speaks your opinion. Cancel your service with verizon and switch to T-Mobile or at&t where you can use a PE. Or buy a nexus 6 (which can be unlocked on Verizon). The web has a vast amount of info on any phone you ever plan on buying.
you are overseeing one crucial point. I bought the phone from Motorola. NOT from Verizon. I bought it outside of a contract. I bought it unlocked.
And still Verizon has power over a phone they shouldn't have.
The problem with other providers around here is, that they don't have coverage......
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you are overseeing one crucial point. I bought the phone from Motorola. NOT from Verizon. I bought it outside of a contract. I bought it unlocked.
And still Verizon has power over a phone they shouldn't have.
The problem with other providers around here is, that they don't have coverage......
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You still bought a Verizon branded phone. Verizon doesn't care about whether or not you are on contract, what they care about is that you are on their network. They want to have full control of every device that's on their network, plain and simple. I understand your frustration but it's not like a precedent is being set here- this is how it's always been. Not trying to drive salt in the wound here but had you done your due diligence and researched prior to purchase, you could have avoided this little surprise. As I said, this is nothing new, unfortunately.
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hungarian said:
you are overseeing one crucial point. I bought the phone from Motorola. NOT from Verizon. I bought it outside of a contract. I bought it unlocked.
And still Verizon has power over a phone they shouldn't have.
The problem with other providers around here is, that they don't have coverage......
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When you buy a Verizon-branded phone from Best Buy do you still wonder why Verizon's software is on it? You didn't buy it from Verizon, you bought it from Best Buy!
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hungarian said:
What do you mean? I should have asked Motorola if they lock the bootloader in the name of the all so mighty overlord Verizon?
Sorry, but I think if I buy a factory unlocked phone, I should receive a unlocked phone. A phine that is free of the antics and bs of Verizon.
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As far as I know, it is impossible to buy any variant of the Moto X 2014 that comes with an unlocked bootloader. Secondly, Motorola only marketed the Pure Edition Moto X (GSM) as being bloat-free. Motorola (or any other manufacturer for that matter) will never sell a CDMA phone that is not carrier-branded as all of the major CDMA carriers will only activate their own carrier-branded phones.
sorry but your statement is void. I bought from the maker. Not a reseller.
I'm having a difficult time finding a new-in-box unlocked XT1103 phone. I've had to send back 2 from Amazon.com because it stated it was new, but clearly it is not.
I'm trying to find the US version so that I can use Project Fi with it...
It seems trying to get a Nexus 6 at this point is a 'buyer beware' experience, as I can't seem to find an honest seller that has a new, unlocked phone or clearly states in their description what it is (ex... description shows XT1103, but picture of box shows XT1100)
Any suggestions? Thanks!
There are ones on eBay that claim to be new for $185 and "sealed box" for $199. I actually got mine on eBay a year ago and it was sealed box and have had no issues.
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There are ones on eBay that claim to be new for $185 and "sealed box" for $199. I actually got mine on eBay a year ago and it was sealed box and have had no issues.
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Thanks... do you have a link to the one you are seeing? I see some as well, but they are XT1100.
Then there are those that state XT1103 in the product title, but then claim in the description that they do NOT work on CDMA carriers (which is not correct in my understanding that XT1103 DOES work with ALL U.S. based cell service carriers).
@exiphone: Go to Swappa, XDA Developers' official marketplace. Nexus 6 devices there won't be new in box but the sellers there are trustworthy. They have to be in order to sell on Swappa, as Swappa's sale requirements are rather strict compared to the caveat emptor environment of Ebay.
P. S. Your understanding is correct. The XT1103 will work on all carriers. However Sprint is extremely reluctant to add phones to its network that were not bought through them.
I don't know about "new" but I got one that was "like new". I paid $180 for a 64GB Nexus 6. Also if you're a Costco member they had some Verizon Branded 32GB Nexus 6s that were brand new online. I thought they were too expensive (can't remember how much) but they were new.
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I don't know about "new" but I got one that was "like new". I paid $180 for a 64GB Nexus 6. Also if you're a Costco member they had some Verizon Branded 32GB Nexus 6s that were brand new online. I thought they were too expensive (can't remember how much) but they were new.
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What exactly does 'Verizon' branded mean? Does the back case just have their logo and startup splash screen instead of AT&T logo? or is there some Verizon bloatware that comes on it?
AT&T were the only carrier to brand their Nexus 6 devices on the back. Any bloatware from the carrier is added during device setup if a carrier SIm is inserted and is easily uninstalled.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
@exiphone: Go to Swappa, XDA Developers' official marketplace. Nexus 6 devices there won't be new in box but the sellers there are trustworthy. They have to be in order to sell on Swappa, as Swappa's sale requirements are rather strict compared to the caveat emptor environment of Ebay.
P. S. Your understanding is correct. The XT1103 will work on all carriers. However Sprint is extremely reluctant to add phones to its network that were not bought through them.
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real easy on sprint for me...use the chat ...didnt call
g4nj4b4by said:
real easy on sprint for me...use the chat ...didnt call
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Good for you. But tell that to the others who tried and had to jump through hoops to get Sprint to do their job. Keep in mind, "reluctant" does not mean "willing".
P. S. I don't have Sprint as their service is crap. You couldn't pay me to use them either, unless we were back in the late 1990s.
Hello all, does anyone have experience with demo units, I want to buy one from eBay and send to my brother who is not in US it is brand new sealed but I don't know will that work with their local gsm or it is usually locked to Verizon? What else I should know about this item? Thanks
No direct experience, but every post I have seen from people that get them is that they are useless. They are locked in demo mode and nothing you do will get them out of it.
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No direct experience, but every post I have seen from people that get them is that they are useless. They are locked in demo mode and nothing you do will get them out of it.
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Thanks for sharing. someone is selling them for $350 on ebay, though maybe can be useful.
they're stolen and useless. Don't buy it.
Can we install GrapheneOS on it?
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Can we install GrapheneOS on it?
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NO. just no. its locked
One guy selling Pixel 7 say: "Device is ready to be activated on the Xfinity network. It cannot be unlocked for use on other!" Can I unlock it?
ITMASTER said:
Thanks for sharing. someone is selling them for $350 on ebay, though maybe can be useful.
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If you insist on purchasing that device, you could always try and check the IMEI at an IMEI checker to at least see if it is blacklisted from Verizon (or any other carrier); because you will not be able to do anything about it even if it would be sent to another country.
That, and sometimes there are website services for a carrier where you can enter the IMEI to see if the device is "compatible" if/when you can "bring your own device" to the carrier...
but beware there is a scam that is going on that have people getting a device on a plan, them selling the phone for a high price, the buyer checks and sees that it has a clean IMEI, but after a couple of months of non-payment to the original carrier that has leased the device, they blacklist the SIM and the device no longer will work anywhere while the seller runs away with whatever they sold it for... That's why it's good to call the major carriers, give them the IMEI and make sure it's not under any payment plan or anything...
and of course if the seller isn't willing to give an IMEI, then that is definitely suspect & shady and should not be bought from that seller...
Don't buy Verizon phones, demo unit or not. They are always locked down to their network and you can't modify them due to their locked bootloader. Also, they have garbage re-sell value because of this. Don't waste your money. If you really want a p7 and $350 is your price point, wait for a sale when the p8 gets ready to launch or keep your eye out for a good sale going on for the unlocked, non-carrier based version.
Phone Google pixel 6 is managed by admin and keeps factory resetting every one hour. Can I install GrapheneOS on it?
Odin<3 said:
Phone Google pixel 6 is managed by admin and keeps factory resetting every one hour. Can I install GrapheneOS on it?
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You might do better and get a better response in the appropriate device forum (Pixel 6)...
But as it seems your device is being managed by (what I assume is) an IT department for (what I assume is) your work device, I doubt they'd allow you to install a custom OS on it as well as you not getting into trouble for modifying a work device. At the very least, they'd find it an annoyance; at worst, they'll see it as some sort of security breach and would be immediately turned back and you reprimanded...