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I have both devices currently and from my very brief short time with the P20 pro , the pictures taken with it don't even come close to the quality you can get from the Pixel 2 XL.
Please tell me its just a case of faulty software, else I think I may be taking this phone back sadly.
Problems so far
Images lack any real detail and are very soft
HDR mode still hidden
Night Mode whilst great is still a 4 sec picture.. (but still soft ) - (The advantage you get from those 4 secs does not seem worth it from my quick test - but i'll keep testing)
Camera UI is rubbish... (subjective i know)
But it will be interesting to know if anyone else as similar experiences , as most reviewers online appear to suggest that this is the best camera phone ever!
Can't say my photos come out soft, mine are pretty close to what I see with my eyes. Not as sharp as some cameras that seem to over sharpen via post processing. More natural images than most cams I have used.
With the P20 Pro you do have to fiddle a bit in different situations, it's definitely not as versatile as the pixel if you just want to point and shoot. Some of my pics come out better when I bump up the megapixels. Some need nightmode or for me to disable the AI.
You can adjust pretty much everything. You don't need to always take 4 second night shots, you can adjust the time for the situation. Sometimes a second is enough.
The UI is a bit of a pain I agree, although I did expect that with the sheer amount of options provided. There is a lot going on. I'm having great success in Pro mode in my limited testing so far. It is a bit or a learning curve with the P20 Pro compared to other phones though for sure.
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I forgot to add that the front camera is a different story, not that I take many selfies but...damn. Beauty mode seems to be undefeatable. Even when turned off I come out looking like a Ken doll. They really need to provide some kind of fix for that. The camera itself is capable of better pics, looks like they gimped the software.
I emailed them about it, because as it is, it's not that useful.
What i can say from my experience using several huawei phone is that, ever since P9,
The phone built with a photographer user (not really common point and shoot user) in mind,
Manual or semi auto setting always work best in various condition. Especially if the user understand well the corelation between apperture size, speed and ISO sensitivity and how it affect the picture quality/result.
That being said, someone who come from pixel 2 (i own pixel 2 xl myself as well) might find that the camera app UI and the auto mode is not as easy/versatile to use compare to google one. But the potential is definitely there.
Honestly, when using huawei camera, i mostly shoot in RAW and do the post processing later on myself. Auto mode is good enough for daily usage like shooting food or friend for instagram use. But the true power is in manual mode. Thats where all those leica software engineer chime in.
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Can you give me some examples of your images after post-processing ?
I'm more than happy to use pro mode (I also had a V30) , but even in pro the images just don't look right at all.
Also it was mentioned that the colours are more true to life but again i'm not seeing this when compared to the pixel (I took a very quick random picture of a orange t-shirt and it came out yellow on the p20 pro... )
Horses for courses. If you only want to point n shoot then Pixel or S9, if you're more into photography than that then easily the P20 Pro over anything else on the market right now. DxO ratings have always correlated poorly to actual general use, I thought everyone had worked that out by now.
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Can't say my photos come out soft, mine are pretty close to what I see with my eyes. Not as sharp as some cameras that seem to over sharpen via post processing. More natural images than most cams I have used.
With the P20 Pro you do have to fiddle a bit in different situations, it's definitely not as versatile as the pixel if you just want to point and shoot. Some of my pics come out better when I bump up the megapixels. Some need nightmode or for me to disable the AI.
You can adjust pretty much everything. You don't need to always take 4 second night shots, you can adjust the time for the situation. Sometimes a second is enough.
The UI is a bit of a pain I agree, although I did expect that with the sheer amount of options provided. There is a lot going on. I'm having great success in Pro mode in my limited testing so far. It is a bit or a learning curve with the P20 Pro compared to other phones though for sure.
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I forgot to add that the front camera is a different story, not that I take many selfies but...damn. Beauty mode seems to be undefeatable. Even when turned off I come out looking like a Ken doll. They really need to provide some kind of fix for that. The camera itself is capable of better pics, looks like they gimped the software.
I emailed them about it, because as it is, it's not that useful.
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Could you please share some of the settings that helped you? I for one am not able to find the setting to disable the AI [Edit - Did you mean the Master AI setting? It seems to only affect the Photo mode]
Not a point an shoot quite yet
I would say the Samsung Note 8 or S8/9 are easier to use but the colours on the P20 Pro seem more realistic once you have disabled AI.
If you like to work in Pro mode and use the manual focus you can get some very good results on the P20 Pro but everything set to auto and its random whether the shot works out or not.
In particular for close ups manual focus is infinitely more effective than trying to wait for the auto focus which sometimes fails completely.
If you use the P20 Pro like you would a camera the depth of abilities are way up there but AI doesn't quite work well enough yet to provide reliable results.
Remember DX0 is only about sensors not ease of use or UI etc its just about sensor performance.
My 2p worth..
After more playing around with the p20 pro i've come to the conclusion that its not for me.
I'm more of a point and shoot guy and the p20 pro is too random with its pictures to really be a good point and shoot.
I'm going to stick with the pixel 2 xl, and would advise anyone looking for a simple point and shoot camera to look elsewhere.
P.S Surely the LG V30's manual mode is superior to the p20 pro if you want to play with manual settings?
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After more playing around with the p20 pro i've come to the conclusion that its not for me.
I'm more of a point and shoot guy and the p20 pro is too random with its pictures to really be a good point and shoot.
I'm going to stick with the pixel 2 xl, and would advise anyone looking for a simple point and shoot camera to look elsewhere.
P.S Surely the LG V30's manual mode is superior to the p20 pro if you want to play with manual settings?
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I would agree with you, if you simply need a point and shoot camera. Pixel 2 XL wil do better for you
P20 Pro, just like the "Pro" moniker it bring along, will suit a seasoned photographer more.
As for manual mode conparison between LG v30 and P20, i would say, no. LG is nowhere close to huawei manual/pro mode. But again, that is a subjectivity. Someone who were common with a DSLR / Mirrorless camera manual set up, will appreciate huawei software more. Since it resemble their old "real" camera gear more. DxO is quite an oldtimer in photography area, and what they did with their test, is what normally a photographer will do as well. Unfortunately, thats not always the case with the rest of mobile phone user. Thats why the result is oftenly unrelateable.
Btw, before you actually ditch your P20 pro, can you give it one more chance, but this time,
Try to shoot everything using night mode (even in daylight). I think you will find the result totally different with your previous experience.
Thats all i can suggest for now. If you wonder, why nigh mode ?? Maybe this video can help you get a better idea :
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P.S Surely the LG V30's manual mode is superior to the p20 pro if you want to play with manual settings?
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I don't think the number of settings and the options given to the photographer are nearly as good with LG. Huawei are in a class of their own in that regard, at the moment. UI can definitely be improved a bit though.
Also, the V30 uses a tiny 1/2.9" sensor, like the iPhones.
Right, I've created a very quick group in flickr with some pictures taken with both p20 pro and pixel 2 xl.
would love to get your opinions.
In all cases i'm just using Auto with no AI for the P20 Pro,
https://www.flickr.com/groups/[email protected]/
Again in my eye the pixel 2 xl is 'alot' better than the P20 Pro ( bad photographer? = me )
So yes i just pointed, focused and shot the picture.
Just using auto and no AI for the pictures too.
let me know if you think i should adjust settings and i'll continue making adjustments.
I have a few more days with phone before making final decision.
I've added another 3 pictures to the group
https://www.flickr.com/groups/[email protected]/
1 taken with pixel 2 xl
1 taken with p20 pro auto
1 taken with p20 pro night mode (as suggested earlier)
Night mode just appears to oversharpen the image badly IMO?? , whilst auto is too soft
Picture 7 - P20 Pro - Night Mode
Picture 7 - P20 Pro - Auto
picture 7 - Pixel 2 XL
Looks to me very close although I think the P20 shots on Auto are a slightly over exposed but have less noise and the Pixel shots are better exposed but have more noise.
I would say the P20 will be better for night shots if you are happy waiting 6 seconds for a shot, but the Pixel 2 XL will take better auto day time shots.
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Right, I've created a very quick group in flickr with some pictures taken with both p20 pro and pixel 2 xl.
would love to get your opinions.
In all cases i'm just using Auto with no AI for the P20 Pro,
https://www.flickr.com/groups/[email protected]/
Again in my eye the pixel 2 xl is 'alot' better than the P20 Pro ( bad photographer? = me )
So yes i just pointed, focused and shot the picture.
Just using auto and no AI for the pictures too.
let me know if you think i should adjust settings and i'll continue making adjustments.
I have a few more days with phone before making final decision.
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iI've checked your album,
and i would agree that the roof top auto result from P20 Pro is lPretty bad. Sky was overblown. And pedestrian area is not looks that good as well. But for the night mode shoot, i wont say that as an oversharpen image though. The detail on trhe brick is quite good, sky is not clipping, and in overall, it has less noise compared to the pixel 2XL.
same case with ST. Pancras shot, i would say that in term of detail and noise level, P20 pro has an advantage here. You can check the detail on the top decoration, as well as near the ceiling. While Pixel 2 XL already abit of smudgy because of the noise, P20 result still showing the fine detail. So am not sure what you mean by "soft". (check my attachment to understand which area am talking about)
what confused me is the dinning room shot. I check the ISO and Shutter Speed of both shot. And in both shoot, Pixel 2 using faster shutter speed and lower ISO, yet the result is much darker in P20 Pro shot. This doesn't really go well with a photography theory, LoL. Slower speed and higher ISO should always resulting abrighter image. Yet the P20 Pro image is so bad at retaining the dark area.
May i know some details from you :
1. How do you point your focus/metering ? Do you always focus on same area/spot when shooting using the two phones ?
2. What resolution did you use on P20 Pro ? 40MP or 10MP ? 40MP use full resolution, but will deject the post processing, causing softer & darker image, but good for self post editing. But will looks bad if you plan to use the picture directly. In contrary, 10MP will use the post processing engine more, resulting in more pleasant picture for mobile use.
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iI've checked your album,
and i would agree that the roof top auto result from P20 Pro is lPretty bad. Sky was overblown. And pedestrian area is not looks that good as well. But for the night mode shoot, i wont say that as an oversharpen image though. The detail on trhe brick is quite good, sky is not clipping, and in overall, it has less noise compared to the pixel 2XL.
same case with ST. Pancras shot, i would say that in term of detail and noise level, P20 pro has an advantage here. You can check the detail on the top decoration, as well as near the ceiling. While Pixel 2 XL already abit of smudgy because of the noise, P20 result still showing the fine detail. So am not sure what you mean by "soft". (check my attachment to understand which area am talking about)
what confused me is the dinning room shot. I check the ISO and Shutter Speed of both shot. And in both shoot, Pixel 2 using faster shutter speed and lower ISO, yet the result is much darker in P20 Pro shot. This doesn't really go well with a photography theory, LoL. Slower speed and higher ISO should always resulting abrighter image. Yet the P20 Pro image is so bad at retaining the dark area.
May i know some details from you :
1. How do you point your focus/metering ? Do you always focus on same area/spot when shooting using the two phones ?
2. What resolution did you use on P20 Pro ? 40MP or 10MP ? 40MP use full resolution, but will deject the post processing, causing softer & darker image, but good for self post editing. But will looks bad if you plan to use the picture directly. In contrary, 10MP will use the post processing engine more, resulting in more pleasant picture for mobile use.
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Yep that is what was so frustrating, I noticed the night shot of St pancras Hotel sign and could see it looked do much better yet that was the only example
All other pictures the pixel looked better
I'm using 10MP and I'm focusing on the same area with both phones
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Which images are taken with which phone?
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Which images are taken with which phone?
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Warmer tone is P20 Pro
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Warmer tone is P20 Pro
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Images 2&4? They certainly seem the superior pictures.
So far I'm not too wowed by the camera either :/
Hoping to learn to use it properly because some sample shots I've seen look amazing but I can't seem to get anything like that.
One place to share the photos you’ve taken from the Mate 20 Lite.
Here's some full res shots from the Mate 20 Lite.
Sunset on Dartmoor #shotonhuaweimate20lite by Gavin Fabiani-Laymond, on Flickr
Foggy Church #shotonhuaweimate20lite by Gavin Fabiani-Laymond, on Flickr
Torquay Harbour #shotonhuaweimate20lite by Gavin Fabiani-Laymond, on Flickr
Cheers for the info. Why are some of the images not full resolution from Flickr? And why do some contain 'Lightroom' in the exif?
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Cheers for the info. Why are some of the images not full resolution from Flickr? And why do some contain 'Lightroom' in the exif?
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That's an issue with Flickr. Not sure why, but from a phone they dont upload full res I think. Lightroom mobile is used by me for all photos. You should try it, the free version of Lightroom mobile is excellent, one of the best at straightening a shot even if its just 0.1 adjustment.
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That's an issue with Flickr. Not sure why, but from a phone they dont upload full res I think. Lightroom mobile is used by me for all photos. You should try it, the free version of Lightroom mobile is excellent, one of the best at straightening a shot even if its just 0.1 adjustment.
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Cheers. Will go it a go. I also watched your video on the 20 Lite - good stuff.
Just got one Mate 20 Lite. Want to know is there a working gcam?
Photo night Granada City
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My little daughter favourite movie. Zootopia...
Aperture mode/Monochrome filter
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Photo night Granada City
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Photo night Granada City. Night Mode IA off
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Full-resolution link (XDA seems broken): https://imgit.org/im/zpO
I took this using completely automatic settings - 'point and shoot' - as I was walking the the opposite direction. No editing was done on this photo at all.
Location is Surrey in England.
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I took this using completely automatic settings - 'point and shoot' - as I was walking the the opposite direction. No editing was done on this photo at all.
Location is Surrey in England.
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Beauty place. Good lighting. Nice photo.
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Are none of you able to post full resolution images? Many of the photos in this thread are tiny!
A bit disappointed from the camera. Especially compared to the rivals iin same price.
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A bit disappointed from the camera. Especially compared to the rivals iin same price.
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https://f.celsoazevedo.com/file/gcamera/MGC_6.1.021_BSG_Arnova-based_v.1.3d_TlnNeun_2.apk
try if it works, was making wonders on Honor Play
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https://f.celsoazevedo.com/file/gcamera/MGC_6.1.021_BSG_Arnova-based_v.1.3d_TlnNeun_2.apk
try if it works, was making wonders on Honor Play
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Was tried that couple of days ago. Was very excited when it opens, but seconds after that freeze. On mine old phone use gCam regularly and have better results. Idk whats the problem with Kirin? Why devs didn't make and for Kirin soc? Sources or something else?!
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Was tried that couple of days ago. Was very excited when it opens, but seconds after that freeze. On mine old phone use gCam regularly and have better results. Idk whats the problem with Kirin? Why devs didn't make and for Kirin soc? Sources or something else?!
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really bad on Honor Play was working good and only a bit of settings modify was needed! Night Sight was working too but with artefacts on shadows.
Yeah Huawei / Honor now is like Apple, totally closed system ( only way to unlock is to pay a lot of money )
kirin is a custom and closed source, not supporting camera api2 stock that is needed for FULL mode gcam to work, gcam was born for google pixel on qualcomm board. Ports on Exynos and Kirin are only partially working, can't fully benefit of gcam.
For modding better stick with Qualcomm CPU and an unlockable phone with easy ( like xiaomi, oneplus )
That way I am waiting for selling this phone and get xiaomi . never back to huawei
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Hi, I'm comingo from S7 edge and I want ia new phone. Do you recommend this phone? Any other recomendations on a not so expensive phone with good camera?
Thanks!
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Hi, I'm comingo from S7 edge and I want ia new phone. Do you recommend this phone? Any other recomendations on a not so expensive phone with good camera?
Thanks!
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Moto G6 plus... My nephew have one and in some situations camera is better than Mate 20 Lite's one. Its a Qualcomm device so will be able to install gCam for alternative. Its decent phone general.
Other than that Mate 20 Lite is not bad at all. Camera is good especially in pro mode on low levels iso, around 125-250, takes crisp and detailed photos. Most of the time i use spot metering and auto wb. Shutter speed depending. Have good burst mode also. Its a aspherical lens and takes nice pleasant colors. Great resolution, 20mpx are great to crop images. Its not exactly "Point and shoot" type camera if you need such. You must play bit with settings to get maximum of the sensor but to me is good enough. Video is not something that is important to me. Its a 1080p 60/30fps recommend to stay with 30fps bcoz have EIS. Generally it take some time to me, to get accustomed with camera but now i enjoy it! Take time to search and try different devices, read and watch reviews and pick right for you needs to avoid disappointment...
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Moto G6 plus... My nephew have one and in some situations camera is better than Mate 20 Lite's one. Its a Qualcomm device so will be able to install gCam for alternative. Its decent phone general.
Other than that Mate 20 Lite is not bad at all. Camera is good especially in pro mode on low levels iso, around 125-250, takes crisp and detailed photos. Most of the time i use spot metering and auto wb. Shutter speed depending. Have good burst mode also. Its a aspherical lens and takes nice pleasant colors. Great resolution, 20mpx are great to crop images. Its not exactly "Point and shoot" type camera if you need such. You must play bit with settings to get maximum of the sensor but to me is good enough. Video is not something that is important to me. Its a 1080p 60/30fps recommend to stay with 30fps bcoz have EIS. Generally it take some time to me, to get accustomed with camera but now i enjoy it! Take time to search and try different devices, read and watch reviews and pick right for you needs to avoid disappointment...
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Such a dedicated response, Thak you!
What do you think abou Xiaomi Mi 8 camera?
Yes/no/maybe?
Not as far as I can see. You can hold down the camera shortcut to open in aperture mode or wide angle amongst others, but not pro. Sad face.
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Well took even Samsung a few years to add that. But its nice for quick shots to have it launch in your preferred Shooting mode.
Hi all,
Is there any option to enable "motion shots" for all photos taken with standard camera for the P30 pro.
It seems like this was possible in old FW or at least for the Mate 20 Pro.
Now this feature is separated to the special motion shot menu, which seems a bit less in overall picture quality and you need to select this dedicated everytime starting the Camera App.
Also the saved motions shots seems not like google standards, since they a) have sound b) only shareable to other Huawei devices and c) in google photos they are not "moving".
I just want to have this for every picture, like apple have it with "live photos" and even my old Samsung Note 9 was able to do this.
Just for reference an example shot from my note 9: https://photos.app.goo.gl/obaqot9XH6SqKqKb9
...this is what I want for all pictures with my p30 pro, too.
For sure it can be excluded in night shot and other special modes
So just tellme if there is a way to get this tweaked or I am lost
Thanks in advance
A huge thing I miss from Windows Phone since moving to Android.
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shaunydub said:
A huge thing I miss from Windows Phone since moving to Android.
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Actually it isn't a problem related to Android...
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Actually it isn't a problem related to Android...
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For sure, but it was standard on Lumia handsets and that I used for 5 years and I had Huawei and Honor devices since moving to Android so missed since.
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I've seen posts in photographers forums that the P30 pro is not so useful for cropping because it blurs the details after one zooms in. In fact, one person said LG V30 with gcam is better than p30 pro but he didnt provide images for comparison.
Has anyone tried to do a side by side comparison of p30 pro vs gcam of other phones in terms of cropping? I prefer to always zoom in and see architectural features e.g. Islamic mosaics etc. Cheers.
Link to the post: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62591521
Unfortunately there's GCam far away better than P30 PRO, specially for people pictures.
I have a friend with a Redmi Note 7 with GCam and the level of details is impressive.
What I also don't understand is why can't the app switch to wide angle items with 40mp setting... Any workaround for that?
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The truth is P30 pro has very good camera. Just nothing (yet) can't quite compare to the gcam result. Google is using their own digital processing zoom (super Res zoom) which is excellent. If you compare for example stock v30 camera results with this from p30 pro - I will give the prize to Huawei .
And about using wide angle with 40mp...ummm the wide angle lens is not 40mp, that's why. Or I don't understand the post properly.
If you want the best quality use profesional mode, the best resolution (20mp-0.6x, 40mp-1x and 8mp-5x) and raw with all lens.
Only work in 0.6x 1x and 5x
And also you can use open camera (but only 1x lens) and gcam (not 100% work) %
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Unfortunately there's GCam far away better than P30 PRO, specially for people pictures.
I have a friend with a Redmi Note 7 with GCam and the level of details is impressive.
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Yes that True, P30 Pro really terrible in People Picture and their portrait for people also easy beaten by GCam (Pixel Family) :crying:, for me P30 Pro king on LOW LIGHT PHOTOGRAPHY.....
Thanks all for replying. HDJ80, can you provide some pics for a comparison to other phones with gcam?
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If you want the best quality use profesional mode, the best resolution (20mp-0.6x, 40mp-1x and 8mp-5x) and raw with all lens.
Only work in 0.6x 1x and 5x
And also you can use open camera (but only 1x lens) and gcam (not 100% work) %
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What do you mean by that? I can't zoom in in pro mode when setting is set to 40mp
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Therefore he says 1x so no zoom in 40 mp.
He is mentioning the best quality for each zoom level (which you have to configure than)
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What do you mean by that? I can't zoom in in pro mode when setting is set to 40mp
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Pro mode 40mp
In right side, you have three positions: GA, 1X and 5X
40mp only in 1X
In GA is 20mp and 5X is 8mp
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Pro mode 40mp
In right side, you have three positions: GA, 1X and 5X
40mp only in 1X
In GA is 20mp and 5X is 8mp
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When I select 40mp in settings and go to pro mode, I can't zoom in
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Ok got it. One need to select "raw" in settings... Thanks a lot!
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