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Hey guys, here's an excerpt from the official Terms and Conditions for T-Mobile's "JUMP!" program. (Downloaded here: https://support.t-mobile.com/servle.../7271-42-606092/JUMP Terms and Conditions.pdf)
Device Eligibility. The Eligible Device must (i) match the IMEI
identified on the EIP Agreement, or at CWork’s discretion any
replacements provided by T-Mobile, the manufacturer, or by the
administrator in accordance with the PHP Terms; and (ii) power
on and have its hardware and software operating in a manner
consistent with the original Manufacturer’s specifications, and
neither have a cracked screen nor water damage (“Good Working
Order”) as determined by CWork in its reasonable discretion
(“Eligible Device”). You must also have paid at least 50% of Your
Device cost for the Eligible Device.
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Really, I just want to confirm how section (ii) applies to Rooting, Custom Recoveries, and tripping KNOX in this scenario:
Let's say that you've tripped KNOX by rooting or installing a custom recovery, but before trying to use JUMP, you've returned the software of your Note 4 to absolute stock.
The only thing modified at this point is the KNOX indicator (0x1) and the inability to use KNOX features.
I've been told by a T-Mobile representative that JUMP will still cover my Note 4 if the scenario above is true, but I really don't want to proceed with any activity that'll trip KNOX if I can't use my JUMP benefits as a result.
Can anybody possibly provide some extra insight? Thank you in advance. :good:
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Every time I went in to get a new phone all they checked for was physical damage.
I had the same concerns today and asked. My rep didn't even know what rooting was, and said physical damage was all they cared about. You should search the forums for similar threads before posting. I've seen this question answered the same way before.
They only care about water damage. In fact I briked an s5 last thurs and had my replacement by tues. No worries
Yeah I had the same problem with my note 4 (soft bricked, could fix but downloading stock firmware took so long so by the time it finished I was at the store,), it got covered by JUMP! as far as I know. I still got it replaced because the fingerprint scanner broke in the aftermath of the process.
Hello guys, i recently made a post on reddit oneplus subreddit about how i was denied warranty for my oneplus 3 phone since i was rooted and i was told i should share it here so here it goes.
So I went to the oneplus service center today since my display had some issues. My phone was in the warranty period. Right on checking the phone the guy says that since this is a rooted phone they don't provide hardware warranty. I argued with him saying that oneplus advertises quite proudly that rooting does not infact void your warranty so how can they claim otherwise. On this I was told that they have officially been given in mail that hardware warranty will be void on rooted phone and it will only get software warranty. After arguing with him for quite some time he threatened me that if he marks this phone as rooted in the system I will never ever be able to claim warranty on the phone. I literally had to pleade and beg him for several hours to change the display did he finally agree. Even in this he said he is doing a big favor to me and warned me not to ever root the device again if I want warranty.
Now I want to ask has oneplus officially changed their policy on rooting? If so why does their website still say that rooting does not void your warranty if the service center claims otherwise.
The technical process of rooting or unlocking the bootloader does not void the warranty of a OnePlus device. However, we strongly suggest for you to only root or unlock the bootloader of your OnePlus device if you are confident in your understanding of the risks involved.
By accessing resources regularly unavailable to the software, you may damage your hardware during or after the procedure. Such damage is not covered under warranty. In warranty handling, we will first need to verify that any faulty behavior is unrelated to rooting / unlocking.
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This is what the website tells us about rooting and warranty. (source: https://oneplus.net/nl/support/answer/will-rooting-or-unlocking-the-bootloader-void-my-warranty)
As far as I know the policy didn't change. I can understand the confusion from the service center point of view, but there is no such thing as hardware or software warranty. Only hardware damage caused by software related hacks/tweaks (which can be used after unlocking/rooting), is not covered under warranty. I assume your screen damage does not fall under that category and it is caused by fall damage for example.
Bobbika said:
This is what the website tells us about rooting and warranty. (source: https://oneplus.net/nl/support/answer/will-rooting-or-unlocking-the-bootloader-void-my-warranty)
As far as I know the policy didn't change. I can understand the confusion from the service center point of view, but there is no such thing as hardware or software warranty. Only hardware damage caused by software related hacks/tweaks (which can be used after unlocking/rooting), is not covered under warranty. I assume your screen damage does not fall under that category and it is caused by fall damage for example.
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I did not have a screen damage, my phone screen had lost sensitivity and was registering swipe motion as touch . This started happening even before I was rooted and in no way connected to the process of rooting. They tried to deny me warranty on this.
i_rock098 said:
I did not have a screen damage, my phone screen had lost sensitivity and was registering swipe motion as touch . This started happening even before I was rooted and in no way connected to the process of rooting. They tried to deny me warranty on this.
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May i ask in what country this happend? It's not only Oneplus that does this stuff btw. Next time show him what is on the site. If he denies you simply ask his name and send Oneplus a email about it.. I can work at a service center too and say this stuff.. Its not only Oneplus..
i_rock098 said:
I did not have a screen damage, my phone screen had lost sensitivity and was registering swipe motion as touch . This started happening even before I was rooted and in no way connected to the process of rooting. They tried to deny me warranty on this.
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In that case I'd say it was your own risk to start rooting your device after you knew there were issues with it.
The problem with the current warranty policy is that it's hard to prove what damage rooting could cause. In your case the repair shop could say that you might have overclocked your device with the acquired root. With that the device can overheat and the digitizer (which handles the touchscreen input) could be overheated as well and starts to fail. Not saying that is the case here, but it would be hard to prove otherwise.
In other words, when you have to deal with warranty and repair, it's a good advice to give them no reasons to deny the warranty.
TLDR: Repair your device before rooting
At least here in Germany this is illegal and NOT possible. At least the given by law warranty has to be given even with root unless they can prove it caused the defect, so they have to prove their claim and not you. Any extened warranty from the company itself can be waaay different though.
Puddi_Puddin said:
May i ask in what country this happend? It's not only Oneplus that does this stuff btw. Next time show him what is on the site. If he denies you simply ask his name and send Oneplus a email about it.. I can work at a service center too and say this stuff.. Its not only Oneplus..
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This is in India. we have one of the worst consumer policies in the world where often service centers treat customers like ****. He was pretty confident in telling me to go talk to oneplus if i want it wont help and that if he ever marks the phone as rooted in the system i would never ever be able to claim warranty on the phone.
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In that case I'd say it was your own risk to start rooting your device after you knew there were issues with it.
The problem with the current warranty policy is that it's hard to prove what damage rooting could cause. In your case the repair shop could say that you might have overclocked your device with the acquired root. With that the device can overheat and the digitizer (which handles the touchscreen input) could be overheated as well and starts to fail. Not saying that is the case here, but it would be hard to prove otherwise.
In other words, when you have to deal with warranty and repair, it's a good advice to give them no reasons to deny the warranty.
TLDR: Repair your device before rooting
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I agree that I should have gone to fix it before rooting but then again if they had not mentioned on their site clearly that rooting does not void your warranty I would have not rooted at all in the first place till my warranty period got over. I dont mind taking a brunt for a fault of mine due to flashing like getting stuck in a bootlop or something but this clearly was a manufacturing defect and not mine.
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At least here in Germany this is illegal and NOT possible. At least the given by law warranty has to be given even with root unless they can prove it caused the defect, so they have to prove their claim and not you. Any extened warranty from the company itself can be waaay different though.
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Yeah unfortunately I am in India and here like i mentioned in the post earlier we have very weak consumer laws, even if i would sue them the case would drag on for like 5 years with no guaranty that it would still get resolved.
@i_rock098
I have no local stores in my country, everything must be shipped. When facing a problem you need to get some repair ticket from the website. That would mean you don't need the ... local support store. Also it should be possible to simply restore the phone's software to stock before sending it to OnePlus. Have you tried bringing itr back to stock or is the phone freaking out in a way making it impossible?
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@i_rock098
I have no local stores in my country, everything must be shipped. When facing a problem you need to get some repair ticket from the website. That would mean you don't need the ... local support store. Also it should be possible to simply restore the phone's software to stock before sending it to OnePlus. Have you tried bringing itr back to stock or is the phone freaking out in a way making it impossible?
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And to add to this.
If you have an issue with your phone feel free to make a post. As long as you provide decent information I'm pretty sure people including me are here to you help you.
Repeat after me, the store is in INDIA. I don't do business with India. I did business with OnePlus China and OnePlus US and received superior assistance, including a free replacement phone when my rooted phone could not be repaired.
These are topics where OnePlus customer service could (and should) step in and make a name for themselves, or at least start to.
OP, send a support ticket to OnePlus, add the e-mail address of the service centre to the cc and when you get a response from OnePlus, go back and politely ask them to repair the phone according to the OnePlus warranty terms.
Forget these repair shops in India. These are probably not official OnePlus service centers, as I don't think they have stores set up anywhere. According to the YouTube video that they OnePlus made, they only offer repair services through their website, OnePlus.net/support. You need to contact them via phone (It is listed on their website), and they will then determine if it needs to be sent to them for repair via RMA. https://youtu.be/KCdu8VhleVM
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Forget these repair shops in India. These are probably not official OnePlus service centers, as I don't think they have stores set up anywhere. According to the YouTube video that they OnePlus made, they only offer repair services through their website, OnePlus.net/support. You need to contact them via phone (It is listed on their website), and they will then determine if it needs to be sent to them for repair via RMA. https://youtu.be/KCdu8VhleVM
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There are official repair centres (approved by OnePlus but not run by them) for OnePlus in India. But I don't know whether the OP went to an official centre or not.
As with almost all official repair centres of any manufacturer, there are two ways of asking for repair during warranty. One is what is mentioned by you ie. contact OnePlus directly, they will issue a ticket number and then armed with that, you approach the repair centre. The other way is directly walking into the repair centre and asking for warranty repair. I think the OP adopted this and as is likely in most such situations, the repair centre tried to outsmart him. IMO, if the OP had contacted OnePlus first, this issue might not have arisen at all.
I am speaking on the authority of my experience of approaching Acer directly the first time and going to the repair centre directly the second time. Ofcourse the second time I was given a run around which I ultimately overcame.
I keep seeing all over that "root Will trip knox and void warranty" but when I look at Samsung's actual warranty and even contacted them about it they state that the only thing in their warranty that speaks about root voiding warranty is the below statement.... Which nowhere indicates that your warranty is voided if knox is tripped.
"Samsung is not liable for performance issues
or incompatibilities caused by your editing
of registry settings, or your modification of
Operating System (OS) software. Using custom
OS software may cause your Product and
applications to work improperly. Your carrier
may not permit users to download certain
software, such as custom OS."
Has anyone called them out on this and if so, what are your experiences?
Interesting no one has chimed in. Is that because no one knows or no one has attempted to confront this I wonder.
It depends on your location, in Europe rooting will not void your warranty, unless they can prove that rooting has caused your issue. But plenty of people have said that they have used to warranty in Europe with a rooted phone. I myself haven't tried, but it all depends on your location.
I have taken rooted devices to my carrier And they have honored the warranty, in Mexico
Thanks for chiming in guys. It technically should not in the USA either which is why I'm curious how Samsung reacts when confronted.
my phone keep turning off and they said motherboard kaput and replaced it.
apparently they can pinpoint the damaged part without checking root or custom rom. they still can check because my phone can be turn on.
Hi there,
I've recently bought the Samsung Galaxy S20 FE 5G ( SM-G781B) and I've noticed part of the display is cloudy/distorted when black.
It's most noticeable on the lock screen, or whenever the background is black.
It looks like some sort of defect. Does anyone have any ideas?
I noticed some cloudiness (to a lesser degree) on my Samsung Galaxy S8.
I bought the S20 FE brand new from Samsung.
I've attached some images for reference.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
If you just bought it, what's the point of making a thread? Just bring it back to the shop and show defect.
bladez said:
If you just bought it, what's the point of making a thread? Just bring it back to the shop and show defect.
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Because a similar effect happened on the S8 so not sure if it's just Samsung displays or something else. Mostly visible when the room is dark so it's hard to show when the room is lit.
This is the lottery of OLED screens. Some are perfect and some are (defective) like this.
Mine has a uniformity issue, too. It's only visible in low brightness dark gray when in a dark room, so I decided to keep mine. I've seen similar issues in other oled panels of Galaxy and Pixel phones as well before. There is no guarantee you get a better panel for a replacement as mentioned in the comment above. If the un-uniformity is too bad, I would just return it and get another one because I heard Samsung is tough on exchange or repair for this kind of display issue.
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There is no guarantee you get a better panel for a replacement as mentioned in the comment above. If the un-uniformity is too bad, I would just return it and get another one because I heard Samsung is tough on exchange or repair for this kind of display issue.
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Is it possible to get a replacement (UK) if the phone is rooted and the bootloader is unlocked?
My fear is that if I don't get it repaired/replaced, it may get worse over time, and then I'm stuck with it.
Not sure about the exchange policy in the UK. The display uniformity didn't get worse over time in my old phones.
Only problem is the Samsung stores are closed in the UK at the moment.
user128494 said:
Is it possible to get a replacement (UK) if the phone is rooted and the bootloader is unlocked?
My fear is that if I don't get it repaired/replaced, it may get worse over time, and then I'm stuck with it.
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EU law set a president years ago that even if the phone is rooted Samsung have to honor the hardware warranty. But if your that worried back up your data and flash the stock rom back to the phone via ODIN before you send it off to Samsung. Clearly there is something wring with the display on your unit.
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There is no guarantee you get a better panel for a replacement as mentioned in the comment above. If the un-uniformity is too bad
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The issue is the S20FE has an AMOLED screen so there is NO backlight, you should not being seeing any kind of 'glow' on put black backgrounds. Also my S20FE 5G shows no such defect.
b1k3rdude said:
EU law set a president years ago that even if the phone is rooted Samsung have to honor the hardware warranty. But if your that worried back up your data and flash the stock rom back to the phone via ODIN before you send it off to Samsung. Clearly there is something wring with the display on your unit.
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The problem is, if I do send it off, they may just reject replacement of the item, as in download mode it says Warranty Void: 0x01
On the Samsung Forum a Samsung Mod talks about the warranty being voided in a similar thing:
Re: S10e flashing and warranty question.
So you're saying that by using Samsung's official firmware and tool I voided my warranty? Even tho I never rooted my phone or modified it in any way. I've mot installed any custom roms or anything? Just official stuff. And my warranty void counter on the phone remains at 0. Even tho this still...
eu.community.samsung.com
Thats the KNOX warranty only! Not the hardware warranty, don't let Samsung bully you into believing otherwise.
Of course the mods/admins on a manufacturers forum are going to tow the company line, but its just a community forum. Actual law is what you should pay head to, in this case EU law -
-https://www.piana.eu/root/ - see below
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" Does rooting your device (e.g. an Android phone) and replacing its operating system with something else void your statutory warranty, if you are a consumer?
In short: No. Just the fact that you modified or changed the software of your device, is not a sufficient reason to void your statutory warranty. As long as you have bought the device as a consumer in the European Union.
A bit longer: Directive 1999/44/CE dictates¹ that any object meeting certain criteria (including telephones, computers, routers etc.) being sold to a consumer² inside the European Union, has to carry a warranty from the seller that the device will meet the quality that you would expect for such a device for a period of 2 years. A telephone is an example of such a device and is an object that comprises many parts, from the case to the screen to the radio, to a mini-computer, to the battery, to the software that runs it. If any of these parts³ stop working in those 2 years, the seller has to fix or replace them. What is more these repairs should not cost the consumer a single cent — the seller has to cover the expenses (Directive 1999/44/CE, §3). If the seller has any expenses for returning it to the manufacturer, this is not your problem as a consumer.
If your device becomes defective in the first 6 months, it is presumed that the defect was there all along, so you should not need to prove anything. If your device becomes defective after the first 6 months, but before 2 years run out, you are still covered. The difference is only that if the defect arises now, the seller can claim that the defect was caused by some action that was triggered by non-normal use of the device.
But in order to avoid needing to repair or replace your device, the seller has to prove that your action caused⁵ the defect. It is generally recognised by courts that unless there is a sign of abuse of the device, the defect is there because the device was faulty from the beginning. That is just common sense, after all.
So, we finally come to the question of rooting, flashing and changing the software. Unless the seller can prove that modifying the software, rooting your device or flashing it with some other OS or firmware was the cause for the defect, you are still covered for defects during those 2 years. A good test to see if it is the software’s fault is to flash it back with stock firmware/OS and see if the problem persists. If it does, it is not a software- caused problem. If it is not possible to revert it stock software any more, it is also not a software-caused defect (unless you have “bricked” the phone while flashing it, un-bricking is not covered by any statutory warranty). There are very few hardware defects that are caused by software — e.g. overriding the speaker volume above the safe level could blow the speaker. Many manufacturers of consumer devices write into their warranties a paragraph that by changing the software or “rooting” your device, you void the warranty.
You have to understand that in EU we have a “statutory warranty”, which is compulsory that the seller must offer by law (Directive 1999/44/CE, §7.1) and a “voluntary warranty” which the seller or manufacturer can, but does not need to, offer as an additional service to the consumer. Usually the “voluntary warranty” covers a longer period of time or additional accidents not covered by law.⁶ If though the seller, the manufacturer or anyone else offers a “voluntary warranty”, he is bound to it as well! So, even if, by any chance your “voluntary warranty” got voided, by European law, you should still have the 2 year “compulsory warranty” as it is described in the Directive and which is the topic of this article. In case the seller refuses your right to repair or replace the device, you can sue him in a civil litigation and can report the incident to the national authority. In many European countries such action does not even require hiring a lawyer and is most of the time ensured by consumers associations.
The warranty under this Directive¹ is only applicable inside the European Union and only if you bought the device as a consumer.² "
Extremely irritated. I have my UK network provider refusing to perform a paid screen replacement due to Knox being tripped after my 8 year old son dropped and cracked it. This makes no sense to me. If it was a hardware fault that had started for no reason and required a free repair under warranty, I could understand. I've unlocked the bootloader and rooted the phone, I did this on the understanding that Samsung or my provider might refuse to fix the phone under such circumstances. But a paid repair? WTF? I'm paying you to do it, what does it matter if the Knox flag is tripped. Fortunately, a friend used to work for Samsung as an engineer so I've sourced a touch screen assembly for £260 which is only £30 more than the provider was going to charge and he's going to perform the swap free of charge.
Suffice to say I won't be purchasing a Samsung handset ever again (or any other device by them) and as soon as my contract is up I'm moving to another provider. Obviously, neither will care one iota that they're losing me as a customer, but the idea that I can't root a device I purchased without a permanent hardware flag being present is abhorrent. No issue with Samsung Pay etc not working when rooted, but allow the user to put the device back to full factory stock FFS. No other manufacturer does what Samsung does.
Beefheart said:
Extremely irritated. I have my UK network provider refusing to perform a paid screen replacement due to Knox being tripped after my 8 year old son dropped and cracked it. This makes no sense to me. If it was a hardware fault that had started for no reason and required a free repair under warranty, I could understand. I've unlocked the bootloader and rooted the phone, I did this on the understanding that Samsung or my provider might refuse to fix the phone under such circumstances. But a paid repair? WTF? I'm paying you to do it, what does it matter if the Knox flag is tripped. Fortunately, a friend used to work for Samsung as an engineer so I've sourced a touch screen assembly for £260 which is only £30 more than the provider were going to charge and he's going to perform the swap free of charge.
Suffice to say I won't be purchasing a Samsung handset ever again (or any other device by them) and as soon as my contract is up I'm moving to another provider. Obviously, neither will care one iota that they're losing me as a customer, but the idea that I can't root a device I purchased without a permanent hardware flag being present is abhorrent. No issue with Samsung Pay etc not working when rooted, but allow the user to put the device back to full stock FFS. No other manufacturer does what Samsung does. I'm going back to Oneplus next year.
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Agree. That e-fuse thing is a really nasty trick by Samsung.
Unfortunately the majority of Samsung's customers dont even know or care what rooting is, let alone delve into Knox and e-fuses etc. I'm sure they're aware of it. But our outcries don't cost them money and they will conveniently ignore us unless there's a big enough number of perople who care about this stuff and make a representation at some legal forum.
End of the day, the sad fact is that as long as their sales don't suffer, or they aren't slapped with massive fines, they have no reason to change any of their policies.
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Agree. That e-fuse thing is a really nasty trick by Samsung.
Unfortunately the majority of Samsung's customers dont even know or care what rooting is, let alone delve into Knox and e-fuses etc. I'm sure they're aware of it. But our outcries don't cost them money and they will conveniently ignore us unless there's a big enough number of perople who care about this stuff and make a representation at some legal forum.
End of the day, the sad fact is that as long as their sales don't suffer, or they aren't slapped with massive fines, they have no reason to change any of their policies.
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It's been in place for years now, but this is the first time I've fallen foul of it. After 6 months back in 2016 my S7 Edge developed the dreaded green line down the display screen fault that was common with the early generations of curved Samsung displays and I sent it back for repair despite my Knox flag being tripped. They replaced it with a brand new phone free of charge. I can only presume they're now being a log more vigilent.
The upshot is that, in the UK (not sure where other countries stand with this), if you root any Samsung handset, don't expect a repair to be performed by any approved Samsung repair center. And that includes paid repairs. You need to source the part and do it yourself. This isn't too bad for the more modular parts like screens. But I'm not even sure some of the other parts are even available to buy if your S21 Ultra develops a more serious fault. It looks like someone could easily end up with a brick they can't repair or even pay to be repaired.
So nice one Samsung, you're no better than Apple these day.
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Extremely irritated. I have my UK network provider refusing to perform a paid screen replacement due to Knox being tripped after my 8 year old son dropped and cracked it. This makes no sense to me. If it was a hardware fault that had started for no reason and required a free repair under warranty, I could understand. I've unlocked the bootloader and rooted the phone, I did this on the understanding that Samsung or my provider might refuse to fix the phone under such circumstances. But a paid repair? WTF? I'm paying you to do it, what does it matter if the Knox flag is tripped. Fortunately, a friend used to work for Samsung as an engineer so I've sourced a touch screen assembly for £260 which is only £30 more than the provider was going to charge and he's going to perform the swap free of charge.
Suffice to say I won't be purchasing a Samsung handset ever again (or any other device by them) and as soon as my contract is up I'm moving to another provider. Obviously, neither will care one iota that they're losing me as a customer, but the idea that I can't root a device I purchased without a permanent hardware flag being present is abhorrent. No issue with Samsung Pay etc not working when rooted, but allow the user to put the device back to full factory stock FFS. No other manufacturer does what Samsung does.
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Presumably you rooted and flashed a custom ROM, which tripped knox?
Hopefully the 1st post for whichever ROM you flashed contained a BIG BANNER telling you 'warranty void' and "dont blame me if you brick your phone?" in the process.
Avtually.. plenty of vendors invalidate the handset warranty if you unlock bootloader and flash custom ROMs. (HTC always did this - god reset their soul). Its is not "ethical" or "fair" perhaps but it is common industry parctice and is definitely not illegal.
Always be fully aware and accept that warranty status is most likely voided if YOU CHOOSE to unlock bootloader/root/flash custom ROM
Zero point in posting an angry thread on internet Forums for something you chose to do knowning the potential impact to warranty,
dezborders said:
Presumably you rooted and flashed a custom ROM, which tripped knox?
Hopefully the 1st post for whichever ROM you flashed contained a BIG BANNER telling you 'warranty void' and "dont blame me if you brick your phone?" in the process.
Avtually.. plenty of vendors invalidate the handset warranty if you unlock bootloader and flash custom ROMs. (HTC always did this - god reset their soul). Its is not "ethical" or "fair" perhaps but it is common industry parctice and is definitely not illegal.
Always be fully aware and accept that warranty status is most likely voided if YOU CHOOSE to unlock bootloader/root/flash custom ROM
Zero point in posting an angry thread on internet Forums for something you chose to do knowning the potential impact to warranty,
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My dear, the man says that he knows that his phone is OUT OF GARANTY and want to pay for the repair ,but samsung refuses...
dezborders said:
Presumably you rooted and flashed a custom ROM, which tripped knox?
Hopefully the 1st post for whichever ROM you flashed contained a BIG BANNER telling you 'warranty void' and "dont blame me if you brick your phone?" in the process.
Avtually.. plenty of vendors invalidate the handset warranty if you unlock bootloader and flash custom ROMs. (HTC always did this - god reset their soul). Its is not "ethical" or "fair" perhaps but it is common industry parctice and is definitely not illegal.
Always be fully aware and accept that warranty status is most likely voided if YOU CHOOSE to unlock bootloader/root/flash custom ROM
Zero point in posting an angry thread on internet Forums for something you chose to do knowning the potential impact to warranty,
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Presumably YOU read my opening post before quoting and responding to it. But IT appears not.
Let me help you out. There is a substantial difference between refusing warranty repair if the handset goes back with the bootloader unlocked and/or the phone rooted, and permanently flagging a device as having been unlocked and rooted at some point so as to refuse repair even if it's returned with the bootloader re-locked and a stock rom flashed. HTC devices (and all other manufacturers to my knowledge) could always be put back into a complete factory state, providing the fault with the device wasn't such that prevented it being done, and the warranty was then honoured. With Samsung Knox, tripping is permanent.
And READ please before responding to someone. I never said I expected a warranty repair, I've owned enough Samsung devices to know tripping Knox can well result in a refusal if a handset develops a fault and I rooted my S21 Ultra knowing this. But I DO expect to be able to pay for a screen replacement if it ends up being damaged in an accident, Knox flag or not. Hence my annoyance.
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Presumably YOU read my opening post before quoting and responding to it. But IT appears not.
Let me help you out. There is a substantial difference between refusing warranty repair if the handset goes back with the bootloader unlocked and/or the phone rooted, and permanently flagging a device as having been unlocked and rooted at some point so as to refuse repair even if it's returned with the bootloader re-locked and a stock rom flashed.
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Try and see it from the manufacturers' point of view... they have no idea what software you have run and what root level functions you have used . .e.g. CPU overclocking, and other out of spec HW settings - things that could protentially damage the hardware.
Once you - the customer - choose to unlock bnootloader and / or root a device you give up your right to manufacturers warranty.
Don't pretend you did not know this before you did it. This was your decision so be a man and accept the consequences.
Big boys don't cry.... well maybe the Snowflakes do... ?
P.S.
Standard warning text on almost every root or ROM thread:
* Your warranty is now void.
* I am not responsible for bricked devices, dead SD cards,
* thermonuclear war, or your getting fired because the alarm app failed. Please
* do some research if you have any concerns about features included in this ROM
* before flashing it! YOU are choosing to make these modifications, and if
* you point the finger at me for messing up your device, I will laugh at you.
bromonano said:
My dear, the man says that he knows that his phone is OUT OF GARANTY and want to pay for the repair ,but samsung refuses...
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Why should manufacturer be forced to repair a warranty voided device?
The OP made a consious decision to root and give up his rights to manufacturer support.
See my previous reply to OP expaining WHY manufacturers should not be expected to repair rooted devices.
dezborders said:
Try and see it from the manufacturers' point of view... they have no idea what software you have run and what root level functions you have used . .e.g. CPU overclocking, and other out of spec HW settings - things that could protentially damage the hardware.
Once you - the customer - choose to unlock bnootloader and / or root a device you give up your right to manufacturers warranty.
Don't pretend you did not know this before you did it. This was your decision so be a man and accept the consequences.
Big boys don't cry.... well maybe the Snowflakes do... ?
P.S.
Standard warning text on almost every root or ROM thread:
* Your warranty is now void.
* I am not responsible for bricked devices, dead SD cards,
* thermonuclear war, or your getting fired because the alarm app failed. Please
* do some research if you have any concerns about features included in this ROM
* before flashing it! YOU are choosing to make these modifications, and if
* you point the finger at me for messing up your device, I will laugh at you.
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Right, so it's more a comprehension issue you have, rather than an outright inability or refusal to read? Or perhaps you not quoting the final paragraph in my last post was deliberate so you could continue with your strawman?
I'll make this simple. I'll even use bullets to make things easier.
I'm NOT expecting a warranty repair, I'm fully aware my phone warranty was voided when I tripped Knox. And furthermore, it's not a warranty repair anyway given that the screen was damaged.
I AM expecting to be able to pay for a repair, with any costs Samsung or my provider incur to be passed onto myself, EVEN IF THE WARRANTY HAS BEEN VOIDED OR HAS EXPIRED.
There we go, nice and simple. In short, you seem to be confused between a device being repaired under warranty, and a device being repaired with the cost being passed onto the user. If it was a warranty repair being refused, this thread wouldn't exist.
I hope this helps, I really can't make it any easier to understand.
Anyway, onto better news, the new screen assembly arrived today, and I have a genuine S21 Ultra gasket arriving tomorrow which means full IP68 should be maintained once the rear panel is put back on.
Should have it up and running by close of play by Thursday and it can't come a minute too soon. I've been on my work iPhone Xs dual simmed with an eSim for the last 10 days. Horrible phones, really makes you appreciate Android and the freedom it comes with.
Beefheart said:
Anyway, onto better news, the new screen assembly arrived today, and I have a genuine S21 Ultra gasket arriving tomorrow which means full IP68 should be maintained once the rear panel is put back on.
Should have it up and running by close of play by Thursday and it can't come a minute too soon. I've been on my work iPhone Xs dual simmed with an eSim for the last 10 days. Horrible phones, really makes you appreciate Android and the freedom it comes with.
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Bad adventure indeed.
I think someone at Samsung decided that warranty void IS warranty void, no exception at all. And you got caught in this bad situation...
Maybe because of covid times, they need to be so much stricter to save manual labour time ?
I agree with you that a software non issue should not impact a hardware issue, but since when "should not" have done anything about all that ?
dezborders said:
Why should manufacturer be forced to repair a warranty voided device?
The OP made a consious decision to root and give up his rights to manufacturer support.
See my previous reply to OP expaining WHY manufacturers should not be expected to repair rooted devices.
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Man... you really need to learn to read before you post. The OP is not requesting a warranty repair. Instead he's offering to pay for their service.
Beefheart said:
I'm NOT expecting a warranty repair, I'm fully aware my phone warranty was voided when I tripped Knox. And furthermore, it's not a warranty repair anyway given that the screen was damaged.
I AM expecting to be able to pay for a repair, with any costs Samsung or my provider incur to be passed onto myself, EVEN IF THE WARRANTY HAS BEEN VOIDED OR HAS EXPIRED.
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Nope I totally understood the OP.
- I know you accept you voided your warranty and I know you expect/want to pay Samsung to repair your phone.
However lets take the analogy a bit further. Lets say Samsung repairs your phone and charges you £200 for the work.
1 week after you get your phone back, a new fault appears.... lets say a CPU fault.
- did Saumsung engineer cause the new fault
- did a rooted ROM overclock CPU or disable thermal CPU throttling protection cause heat damage to the CPU
- "my 8 year old son dropped and cracked it" ... perhaps impact with the floor also cracked the motherboard
- is this a random manufacturing fault (but your warranty is already void so do you expect Samsung to replace the motherboard)?
Whichever of the above is the casue of the new fault.... do you expect Samsung to repair the new fault?
...And will you pay again for 2nd repair or post a complaint on XDA Forums that Samsung broke your phone during 1st repair?
The reason Samsung and other manufactureres void the warrranty after bootloader is unlocked or custom SW is flashed, is quite simple. They dont EVER want to touch your device again as they cannot be 100% certain what - if any - damage may have been inflicted on the hadware by running unofficial firmware.
Why dont you just take your phone to an independent phone shop and pay them to repair the damage?
Your warranty is voided anyway so why Pay Samsung a (probably) higher repair cost than offered by 3rd party phone shop?
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haobiao009 said:
Man... you really need to learn to read before you post. The OP is not requesting a warranty repair. Instead he's offering to pay for their service.
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I read and understood the OP.... But Samsung does not want his money. They do not want anything to do with his Knox tripped phone.
If you unlock the phone the warranty is void, we all understand that bit. They will not repair under warranty because UK law would require them to respect the warranty by repairing it.
This would apply to a paid repair as well, a paid repair would come with some warranty for the repair forcing them to provide a warranty of a device that they cannot support because you chose to unlock. This creates a legal grey area for you and Samsung so their best option is to not repair it.
If you read the full T&Cs it will state that once unlocked the warranty void and no warranty can be applied to the device. Not even by a paid repair.
I stopped rooting my phones years ago because of this legal issue. Plus the constant maintenance of root is just too time-consuming.
dezborders said:
Nope I totally understood the OP.
- I know you accept you voided your warranty and I know you expect/want to pay Samsung to repair your phone.
However lets take the analogy a bit further. Lets say Samsung repairs your phone and charges you £200 for the work.
1 week after you get your phone back, a new fault appears.... lets say a CPU fault.
- did Saumsung engineer cause the new fault
- did a rooted ROM overclock CPU or disable thermal CPU throttling protection cause heat damage to the CPU
- "my 8 year old son dropped and cracked it" ... perhaps impact with the floor also cracked the motherboard
- is this a random manufacturing fault (but your warranty is already void so do you expect Samsung to replace the motherboard)?
Whichever of the above is the casue of the new fault.... do you expect Samsung to repair the new fault?
...And will you pay again for 2nd repair or post a complaint on XDA Forums that Samsung broke your phone during 1st repair?
The reason Samsung and other manufactureres void the warrranty after bootloader is unlocked or custom SW is flashed, is quite simple. They dont EVER want to touch your device again as they cannot be 100% certain what - if any - damage may have been inflicted on the hadware by running unofficial firmware.
Why dont you just take your phone to an independent phone shop and pay them to repair the damage?
Your warranty is voided anyway so why Pay Samsung a (probably) higher repair cost than offered by 3rd party phone shop?
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You are absolutely correct. People are bashing you because you did come across a bit arrogant, but your reasoning is spot on.
I understand the OP frustration, however, if you look at it from the manufacturer's point of view, you will understand why they don't do it. They don't want to be liable for any other damage that may have been caused by improper use of su access., such as (and especially as) CPU/ GPU overclocking.
The first thought that comes to mind as a customer is: "But I'm paying for it, don't they want my money???" The simple answer is: NO! They DO NOT want your money, it is not worth the trouble of after services support and possible suing in case what I mentioned above happens.
I sympathise with your situation, but Samsung is not wrong here. As dezborders mentioned, look for a third party repairer as they will most likely not care about this, it will cost you less and if you go to a reputable shop, it will be the same level of service as Samsung would deliver.
haobiao009 said:
Man... you really need to learn to read before you post. The OP is not requesting a warranty repair. Instead he's offering to pay for their service.
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Hi all,
snaptube vidmate
My alarm continues going off at the equal time despite the fact that i've grew to become it off. I'm the clock settings all alarms are off. I suppose an antique alarm could hav been restored drum backup from my Samsung account after I first were given the smartphone. Is there a way to disable the rogue alarm. Please assist as I absolutely do not want to manufacturing facility reset the telephone.
Thanks!!
Beefheart said:
It's been in place for years now, but this is the first time I've fallen foul of it. After 6 months back in 2016 my S7 Edge developed the dreaded green line down the display screen fault that was common with the early generations of curved Samsung displays and I sent it back for repair despite my Knox flag being tripped. They replaced it with a brand new phone free of charge. I can only presume they're now being a log more vigilent.
The upshot is that, in the UK (not sure where other countries stand with this), if you root any Samsung handset, don't expect a repair to be performed by any approved Samsung repair center. And that includes paid repairs. You need to source the part and do it yourself. This isn't too bad for the more modular parts like screens. But I'm not even sure some of the other parts are even available to buy if your S21 Ultra develops a more serious fault. It looks like someone could easily end up with a brick they can't repair or even pay to be repaired.
So nice one Samsung, you're no better than Apple these day.
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Doubt it. Having a broken screen replaced under UK consumer laws cannot be denied because Knox is tripped. You got shafted by the rep talking tripe.
Limeybastard said:
Doubt it. Having a broken screen replaced under UK consumer laws cannot be denied because Knox is tripped. You got shafted by the rep talking tripe.
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Think there was more to it than that. I got the phone back and it was clear when I removed the back to replace the assembly myself, it had already been opened as the gasket had been removed. I suspect they removed the back and were about to perform the repair but then saw the warranty void flag and simply decided they'd rather not bother fixing it even for a cost, the Knox flag was just a convenient excuse.
dezborders said:
Nope I totally understood the OP.
- I know you accept you voided your warranty and I know you expect/want to pay Samsung to repair your phone.
However lets take the analogy a bit further. Lets say Samsung repairs your phone and charges you £200 for the work.
1 week after you get your phone back, a new fault appears.... lets say a CPU fault.
- did Saumsung engineer cause the new fault
- did a rooted ROM overclock CPU or disable thermal CPU throttling protection cause heat damage to the CPU
- "my 8 year old son dropped and cracked it" ... perhaps impact with the floor also cracked the motherboard
- is this a random manufacturing fault (but your warranty is already void so do you expect Samsung to replace the motherboard)?
Whichever of the above is the casue of the new fault.... do you expect Samsung to repair the new fault?
...And will you pay again for 2nd repair or post a complaint on XDA Forums that Samsung broke your phone during 1st repair?
The reason Samsung and other manufactureres void the warrranty after bootloader is unlocked or custom SW is flashed, is quite simple. They dont EVER want to touch your device again as they cannot be 100% certain what - if any - damage may have been inflicted on the hadware by running unofficial firmware.
Why dont you just take your phone to an independent phone shop and pay them to repair the damage?
Your warranty is voided anyway so why Pay Samsung a (probably) higher repair cost than offered by 3rd party phone shop?
Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra Repairs| Authorised ... - TMT Firsthttps://www.tmtfirst.co.uk › shop › samsung-galaxy-s2...
We can complete various Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra repairs using genuine Samsung parts and approved tools. Arrange a repair online today ...
£15.00 to £279.00 · In stock
Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra Screen Repair - Mobile Screen Fix ...https://www.mobilescreenfix.co.uk › product › samsun...
This can result in only a few days turnaround making us the fastest screen repair company in the UK! All repairs come with our warranty. Related products.
£275.00 to £305.00 · Out of stock
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WeFix can repair your Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra 5G Screen at your location - at home or at work. Booking online is quick and simple, with same day repairs ...
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Here's an easier scenario:
He opens it and makes a mistake and now has to replace the motherboard because it was his fault.
No more tripped knox
Half the time they dont even repair the phone right away and just send you a different repaired one and he wouldnt be able to do it in this situation.