Been out of the flashing game for a while (last device was an S4)
I'm wanting to start modding my Galaxy S8, but before I do I'm wanting to do a full firmware backup to restore to if things go wrong, or if I sell the device on.
Ideally I'd like to be able to restore to the point where the next user wouldn't recognise its been flashed other than the tripped knox flag (ie original recovery, modem, bootloader, the lot)
Also.. Samsung Pay. I've read about fake knox flag, does this enable Samsung Pay? Do I need to be rooted to do this? Can I flash from my backup (ie to original) and get Samsung Pay back?
Can anyone point me in the direction of a rock solid guide for this?
w.turner88 said:
Been out of the flashing game for a while (last device was an S4)
I'm wanting to start modding my Galaxy S8, but before I do I'm wanting to do a full firmware backup to restore to if things go wrong, or if I sell the device on.
Ideally I'd like to be able to restore to the point where the next user wouldn't recognise its been flashed other than the tripped knox flag (ie original recovery, modem, bootloader, the lot)
Also.. Samsung Pay. I've read about fake knox flag, does this enable Samsung Pay? Do I need to be rooted to do this? Can I flash from my backup (ie to original) and get Samsung Pay back?
Can anyone point me in the direction of a rock solid guide for this?
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If you have an s8, you are in the wrong thread.
You can download stock filmware files from Sammobile or Updato, which can then be flashed with Odin.
Samsung Pay will never, ever work after tripping Knox.
Flashing stock filmware is not enough, it will take a motherboard replacement due to the Efuse, google pay should work though with Magisk or relocking to bootloader.
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Just have a question if I root my phone will I be unable to use Samsung pay even if I restore to stock firmware and unroot it? Is that's the case I think I will just live with it.
kuailan said:
Just have a question if I root my phone will I be unable to use Samsung pay even if I restore to stock firmware and unroot it? Is that's the case I think I will just live with it.
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hi,
in sort yes, if you root you will trip Knox counter Yes, even if you flash back to stock Rom, your Knox counter will show. that's it's tripped (0x 1.. etc.) So you won't be able to use Samsung Pay.
All my devices Note 2,Note 3 , Note 4
Note 8.0 tablet is rooted Not the Note5, so far not interested. It's smooth enough, Themes in Theme Store i am happy with.
Battery is very good overall.
I get my "root " enjoyment " with all my other devices....!
Just my take on situation of root re Note5.
Good luck
Yes. Even if u ruu back to total stock and unroot your knox wil still be tripped and samsung pay will not work. This happened on my s6. After unroot and odin back it still was tripped. For this reason i choose to not root my note 5
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Maybe there will be a way to reset the Knox counter in the future. I had used triangles away for my S4 in the past.
Well actually it seems fairly straighfoward to go back to stock, if you have the appropriate stock image to flash with Odin. I'm just used to do the whole "unlock bootloader, flash recovery, flash autoroot/rom/whatever" process on other devices and it feels weird to just load up Odin and do everyhing. So that's an insecurity.
I'm more interested in knowing whether Samsung "knows" that you rooted/unlocked the device, for warranty reasons. If sometime I decide to go back to full stock and at some point I need to return/send the device for some service, I want to know if they can tell whether the device had been previously rooted. On my motorola xt1092 unlocking the bootloader requires some sort of code from Moto itself, so even if you go back totally stock you can't get rid of the "unlocked bootloader" msg, let alone that they have you already registered on their system as having non-valid warranty.
YES. Atm there is no root method that won't trip knox and if knox is 0x1 samsung will always know. Some providers don't care about that and will fix ur phone/tablet. Especially if it don't even boot or some mechanic problem, just flash stock firmware with odin. My personally was very insecure when flashed firmware 5.1.1 then kernel and then root with odin (always used TWRP on S4) but all worked ok, just read the guide, real all post and all will be ok. If u wan't then go go stock just flash the same stock firmware and you will have it stock with no root stock recovery but knox will be 0x1
mk89pwnz said:
YES. Atm there is no root method that won't trip knox and if knox is 0x1 samsung will always know. Some providers don't care about that and will fix ur phone/tablet. Especially if it don't even boot or some mechanic problem, just flash stock firmware with odin. My personally was very insecure when flashed firmware 5.1.1 then kernel and then root with odin (always used TWRP on S4) but all worked ok, just read the guide, real all post and all will be ok. If u wan't then go go stock just flash the same stock firmware and you will have it stock with no root stock recovery but knox will be 0x1
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Thanks for the info! I found out there was a piece of software called "Triangle Away" which helped reset counter to 0x0 when going back to full stock, but i can't find out if it would work on the Tab S2... http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s2/orig-development/2014-01-15-triangleaway-v3-26-t1494114
kokotron said:
Thanks for the info! I found out there was a piece of software called "Triangle Away" which helped reset counter to 0x0 when going back to full stock, but i can't find out if it would work on the Tab S2... http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s2/orig-development/2014-01-15-triangleaway-v3-26-t1494114
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It was flash counter not knox. Knox is literally impossible to reset. Triangle Away only works on older devices. List can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s2/orig-development/2014-01-15-triangleaway-v3-26-t1494114
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YES. Atm there is no root method that won't trip knox and if knox is 0x1 samsung will always know. Some providers don't care about that and will fix ur phone/tablet. Especially if it don't even boot or some mechanic problem, just flash stock firmware with odin. My personally was very insecure when flashed firmware 5.1.1 then kernel and then root with odin (always used TWRP on S4) but all worked ok, just read the guide, real all post and all will be ok. If u wan't then go go stock just flash the same stock firmware and you will have it stock with no root stock recovery but knox will be 0x1
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Just to reconfirm that, since I was also a little concerned about that (I have a T810 btw, not a T815): While the stock firmware on my device works 'well enough', there are certain things i'd rather it was able to do. Knox however has me holding off (at least until the warranty expires). Does the same apply to the T810? (There is no root method that won't trip knox.)
ATM no. The only way to root Tab s2 is to trip Knox. King root will root your device with no Knox tripping but it will last until you reboot
Been on Xtrestolite for months now and at first it was great, but the battery drains quickly now, can't answer phone calls and fast charging doesn't work (works on other devices).
Basically, I want to use this thread to go back to stock: http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6/general/stock-firmware-official-stock-firmware-t3086387
The MM update for T-mobile is coming out soon so I am interested in the stock version of that (so my phone calls work).
My question is basically that I updated the modem and the bootloader to the Xrestolite ROM and the ROM thinks my phone is an S6 edge (just a regular S6).
If I use ODIN to flash stock on my device, does it also flash the stock modem and bootloader for my cell phone provider as well? (USA T-Mo.)
Are there any additional steps I need to do to go back to the stock modem/bootloader/anything else? Will I be able to update to MM OTA?
darklime said:
Been on Xtrestolite for months now and at first it was great, but the battery drains quickly now, can't answer phone calls and fast charging doesn't work (works on other devices).
Basically, I want to use this thread to go back to stock: http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6/general/stock-firmware-official-stock-firmware-t3086387
The MM update for T-mobile is coming out soon so I am interested in the stock version of that (so my phone calls work).
My question is basically that I updated the modem and the bootloader to the Xrestolite ROM and the ROM thinks my phone is an S6 edge (just a regular S6).
If I use ODIN to flash stock on my device, does it also flash the stock modem and bootloader for my cell phone provider as well? (USA T-Mo.)
Are there any additional steps I need to do to go back to the stock modem/bootloader/anything else? Will I be able to update to MM OTA?
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You can restore original firmware using Samsung Kies or Smartswitch.
cwhiatt said:
You can restore original firmware using Samsung Kies or Smartswitch.
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I plan on using ODIN to flash the original firmware. Does the original firmware include the original bootloader and modem or do I have to do those separately?
darklime said:
I plan on using ODIN to flash the original firmware. Does the original firmware include the original bootloader and modem or do I have to do those separately?
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I have no idea. I always restored via Kies.
darklime said:
I plan on using ODIN to flash the original firmware. Does the original firmware include the original bootloader and modem or do I have to do those separately?
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The full stock firmware package will have bootloader and modem. It will take you to basically like you just bought it except Knox will stay tripped.
Sym_Link said:
The full stock firmware package will have bootloader and modem. It will take you to basically like you just bought it except Knox will stay tripped.
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Thanks for the reply! Since knox is tripped, will I be able to do OTA updates or download apps like Samsung Pay or Android Pay? I heard there is a method like using the app called "Triangle Away" to remove the knox tripped counter.
darklime said:
Thanks for the reply! Since knox is tripped, will I be able to do OTA updates or download apps like Samsung Pay or Android Pay? I heard there is a method like using the app called "Triangle Away" to remove the knox tripped counter.
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You will be able to get OTA update with tripped knox if fully stock. Samsung Pay will not work if knox is tripped. Android Pay will work if not rooted( it will also work with systemless root and a couple changes to su file but then you are no longer stock and no OTA). There is currently no way of resetting knox short of replacing phone.
s89281b said:
You will be able to get OTA update with tripped knox if fully stock. Samsung Pay will not work if knox is tripped. Android Pay will work if not rooted( it will also work with systemless root and a couple changes to su file but then you are no longer stock and no OTA). There is currently no way of resetting knox short of replacing phone.
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I'm going to try to use triangle away as an attempt to reset knox. Should I flash the stock firmware first then try Triangle away or vice-versa?
darklime said:
I'm going to try to use triangle away as an attempt to reset knox. Should I flash the stock firmware first then try Triangle away or vice-versa?
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S6 is not listed as a supported device for triangle away. I would not waste my money trying it. Just flash stock firmware. Only loss is Samsung pay.
s89281b said:
S6 is not listed as a supported device for triangle away. I would not waste my money trying it. Just flash stock firmware. Only loss is Samsung pay.
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That sucks. I really wanted to try it out. MM is coming out for my S6 in my country soon so I'm hoping battery and RAM management is better because recently on my ROM that was oh-so popular drains the hell out of my standby time and I cannot make/answer phone calls at times. At least I can try Android Pay. Thanks for answering my questions.
I got a N960F/DS (CSC: OXM_MYM). It is Thailand version without Samsung Pay enabled.
Can I flash another country's ROM, certainly under same hardware architecture (N960FXXS2ARK2), without breaking the Knox?
I want to use Samsung Pay at US ...... ......
You can but still you will not get Samsung pay
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Hi
I flashed my old S6 with German firmware as I couldn’t wait any longer for O2 U.K. and that was ok but I never used payments on my phone back then... I wonder if it’s the same!?
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Did you ever manage to get this to work? I'm in a similar situation.
silenceleaf said:
I got a N960F/DS (CSC: OXM_MYM). It is Thailand version without Samsung Pay enabled.
Can I flash another country's ROM, certainly under same hardware architecture (N960FXXS2ARK2), without breaking the Knox?
I want to use Samsung Pay at US ...... ......
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on the about section in settings, then under status , does the phone still show as "official" ? after you guys successfully flashed other region firmware ? this is a straightforward way to see if the phone is still "knoxed" or not, as i am wondering if the Samsung pay not working is due to georestriction or knox related? Because as i remember with my pre-previous phone the s7e that i rooted, tripped knox resulted in many Samsung apps locked with an original firmware as Samsung health, pass, pay secure folder etc but otherwise still usable.
Just remember that since the S7, once the phone is rooted or knox is triggered there is no way back even if you flash the original firmware and completely unroot it, knox is like an electric fuse and once it is broken there is no way to "unroot" or restore knox to official status except replace the motherboard (until s6 root and knox was software and fixable by flashing original firmware but since s7 knox counter is hardware)
Manage to change region by following this thread.
But I'm not using spay so can't confirm if it will make spay work or not. Knox won't be tripped so nothing to lose if you try it
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...de-how-to-change-s9-s9-csc-model-csc-t3870836
Hi, I want to root a Note 8 and then do something and flash with stock rom.
I just want to know what i'm going to lose if I do it like battery 80%¿? Or loss Samsung pay, etc
Hewell said:
Hi, I want to root a Note 8 and then do something and flash with stock rom.
I just want to know what i'm going to lose if I do it like battery 80%¿? Or loss Samsung pay, etc
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You'll lose Samsung Pay, Secure folder and Knox(?) Once you are rooted no getting them back, If your on Exynos models. On Snapdragon models (sm-n950u/u1) you'll lose them when rooted but once you'll go back to stock you'll get them back.)
The 80% limit is only for the root method for the snapdragons models (sm-n950u/u1/w). BUT you'll have to be on bootloader version 3 and below to get root!!! Once on bootloader v4 and higher NO MORE ROOT!!!(Samsung patched the exploit!
On Sm-n950F/N/F/DS (exynos models). You can root away but one thing to be careful of is the missing OEM switch in developer options and no more Samsung pay, secure folder when Knox is tripped. Once missing you'll have to flash stock firmware and wait for 7 or more days for the OEM switch to appear again. You can search xda for possible solutions that may or may not work for the OEM switch issue....