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What's the point of rooting an active if you can't do anything with it. Now you can't even get the new at&t update. Someone explain what the reason is please besides the thrill of pointless tinkering.
psideburns said:
What's the point of rooting an active if you can't do anything with it. Now you can't even get the new at&t update. Someone explain what the reason is please besides the thrill of pointless tinkering.
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I do lots of stuff with my rooted S4A. Wanam Xposed, Pie Controls, frozen ATT bloat and Avast Firewall to name a few things. It even text messages and makes phone calls!
New update=yawn. 4.3 isn't a big deal (unless you want a Gear).
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What's the point of rooting an active if you can't do anything with it. Now you can't even get the new at&t update. Someone explain what the reason is please besides the thrill of pointless tinkering.
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It depends on what you're trying to accomplish. I personally have root so I can fully utilize Titanium Backup to backup my entire phone, block ads, use Folder Mount to force files to be saved to my external SD card, install Cerberus as a system app to utilize more of its features, and install Xposed Framework and Xposed Modules to endlessly customize my phone and add additional functionality to it. It's up to you whether or not you think rooting is worth it. With that said you can always update to the official AT&T 4.3 firmware using the Odin files found in this thread.
Good points for your purposes granted. But I loved to change roms on my gs2 until I found cm, then I stuck with that one as my fav. I'm just frustrated that it is not that easy or even possible anymore, at least with this phone that I like and plan on keeping for a while.
psideburns said:
Good points for your purposes granted. But I loved to change roms on my gs2 until I found cm, then I stuck with that one as my fav. I'm just frustrated that it is not that easy or even possible anymore, at least with this phone that I like and plan on keeping for a while.
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Have you looked at SafeStrap?
Devo7v said:
It depends on what you're trying to accomplish. I personally have root so I can fully utilize Titanium Backup to backup my entire phone, block ads, use Folder Mount to force files to be saved to my external SD card, install Cerberus as a system app to utilize more of its features, and install Xposed Framework and Xposed Modules to endlessly customize my phone and add additional functionality to it. It's up to you whether or not you think rooting is worth it. With that said you can always update to the official AT&T 4.3 firmware using the Odin files found in this thread.
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Hey Devo, you run xposed framework on the stock rom with no issues? I had some problems with it on my sgh-i537 and some of the modules wouldn't work at all. If I tried to install the hypderive device tools(shutdown) menu, when I use the shutdown button my phone locks up and just shuts off, no menu ever appears. I really like alot of the hyperdrive functions, I'd love to be able to add the hyperdrive tweaks too, but never had any luck there either.
As concern me I will sell my s4 active No Roms No updates :'(
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Hey Devo, you run xposed framework on the stock rom with no issues? I had some problems with it on my sgh-i537 and some of the modules wouldn't work at all. If I tried to install the hypderive device tools(shutdown) menu, when I use the shutdown button my phone locks up and just shuts off, no menu ever appears. I really like alot of the hyperdrive functions, I'd love to be able to add the hyperdrive tweaks too, but never had any luck there either.
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Yeah, I run Xposed on my stock ROM. The only issue I ever had was a few days ago when I updated XPrivacy and the phone refused to boot. I had to flash the Xposed disabler with SafeStrap. I run the GPE ROM in slot 1 so I can't speak to the way Hyperdrive works. Sorry I can't be more helpful.
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Yeah, I run Xposed on my stock ROM. The only issue I ever had was a few days ago when I updated XPrivacy and the phone refused to boot. I had to flash the Xposed disabler with SafeStrap. I run the GPE ROM in slot 1 so I can't speak to the way Hyperdrive works. Sorry I can't be more helpful.
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Ok, I see. so whatever is in your slots can affect your stock rom as well? I also ran GPE in another slot for a while and I liked it, but with the aroma installer and the hyperdrive tweaks, it really is something I'd like to stick with. I wish I understood more about what is shared and what isn't between roms in slots and the deal with the locked bootloader. We're a long way from Windows Toto, lol. Then again, I do networking, not programming so much.
So, do you run the advanced power menu module on your stock ROM? I really like the HyperDrive version, I think it's called HyperDrive Device Menu or something.
I want to say I installed wanam and xposed from apk files, no flashing. Maybe I need to start there. Thanks again.
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Ok, I see. so whatever is in your slots can affect your stock rom as well? I also ran GPE in another slot for a while and I liked it, but with the aroma installer and the hyperdrive tweaks, it really is something I'd like to stick with. I wish I understood more about what is shared and what isn't between roms in slots and the deal with the locked bootloader. We're a long way from Windows Toto, lol. Then again, I do networking, not programming so much.
So, do you run the advanced power menu module on your stock ROM? I really like the HyperDrive version, I think it's called HyperDrive Device Menu or something.
I want to say I installed wanam and xposed from apk files, no flashing. Maybe I need to start there. Thanks again.
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I don't think that the Rom slots impact each other unless you are running low on space.
I don't have am advanced power menu and I'm not sure what the Hyperdrive one looks like. That said Wanam had a couple of options that extend the power menu that are worth a try.
Everything I've installed has been by directly installing an apk. Except for dark dialer, dark contacts, and call recording.
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I don't think that the Rom slots impact each other unless you are running low on space.
I don't have am advanced power menu and I'm not sure what the Hyperdrive one looks like. That said Wanam had a couple of options that extend the power menu that are worth a try.
Everything I've installed has been by directly installing an apk. Except for dark dialer, dark contacts, and call recording.
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thanks for the info man. I will try the wanam menu and see, think I tried it once, but still had the issue with the button locking up. One thing for sure, installing these other ROM's gives me plenty of ideas of how to change my stock ROM! BTW, I love D.C. saw the FW's at the National Harbor last year, good time. There's an Amtrak that runs direct from here and you can drink on the train!
Devo7v said:
Yeah, I run Xposed on my stock ROM. The only issue I ever had was a few days ago when I updated XPrivacy and the phone refused to boot. I had to flash the Xposed disabler with SafeStrap. I run the GPE ROM in slot 1 so I can't speak to the way Hyperdrive works. Sorry I can't be more helpful.
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Hey Devo, how do you un-flash something? I flashed a accuweather transparent widget that doesn't work and I think it might have stopped my air gesture from working, just working back from things I have changed recently and that is one of them.
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Hey Devo, how do you un-flash something? I flashed a accuweather transparent widget that doesn't work and I think it might have stopped my air gesture from working, just working back from things I have changed recently and that is one of them.
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You need to open up the zip file and look inside the folders to see what files are flashed and where they ate flashed. This will tell you what files were changed our added then you can manually remove them. I would also ask the creator to post a zip that removes the necessary files to return to stock. It should be easy enough.
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You need to open up the zip file and look inside the folders to see what files are flashed and where they ate flashed. This will tell you what files were changed our added then you can manually remove them. I would also ask the creator to post a zip that removes the necessary files to return to stock. It should be easy enough.
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thanks man, I know that wasn't your issue and I really appreciate your response.
psideburns said:
What's the point of rooting an active if you can't do anything with it. Now you can't even get the new at&t update. Someone explain what the reason is please besides the thrill of pointless tinkering.
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Quite a few apps don't work without root access. Plus it is necessary to be able to use tethering without a separate plan. Battery doctor, quickboot, app quarantine, and titanium backup are just a few on mine.
Hey guys,
Just wanted to know how many of you ditched the Xposed on marshmallow for the latest 7.1.1 Android based oxygenos?
Since we don't know when nougat will be supported by xposed, is staying on marshmallow worth it?
Even though most of the modules I use are more or less esthetical, there's one thing I can't live without - youtube background playback and ad block.
Share your thoughts!
Xposed over any OS without Xposed. I have never even flashed Nouget because I know its just a waste of time for me. Ive been on cm13 since the day it came out. DEC 11 2016.
If all you need is the youtube modules, there's modded youtube apps out now with adblock and background playback. Check it out here.
I've also packaged the app in a convenient Magisk module, which you can find here.
It works exactly like the xposed-modified YouTube app, but it works on Nougat.
Anova's Origin said:
If all you need is the youtube modules, there's modded youtube apps out now with adblock and background playback. Check it out here.
I've also packaged the app in a convenient Magisk module, which you can find here.
It works exactly like the xposed-modified YouTube app, but it works on Nougat.
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Hey Anova, what is this Magisk thingy you're talking about?
Also... For me The most important is gravitybox then come youtube modules and mock mock locations.
You think it's worth the upgrade? I personally never had a phone that would get updates so quickly or even at all. So I have no idea what to expect.. Would I have to reroot, reinstall recovery or it's all a piece of cake and only the exposed won't affect anything? Lemme know.
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Hey Anova, what is this Magisk thingy you're talking about?
Also... For me The most important is gravitybox then come youtube modules and mock mock locations.
You think it's worth the upgrade? I personally never had a phone that would get updates so quickly or even at all. So I have no idea what to expect.. Would I have to reroot, reinstall recovery or it's all a piece of cake and only the exposed won't affect anything? Lemme know.
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Magisk is a framework that allows you to make temporary changes to your /system partition at boot, without actually modifying the partition. It works by superimposing user-defined changes to files in /system during boot; changes are reverted to their stock state afterwards. These user-defined changes are loaded into Magisk through Magisk modules. While a lot of people may think it's similar to Xposed, they're really nothing alike. I mentioned Magisk for the YouTube app because it is merely convenient. You could manually replace the YouTube APK in system without any additional software, but Magisk will do it for you while applying all the correct permissions, etc. As a bonus, Magisk also includes its own rooting method that works, for the most part, as well as SuperSU. This means that you can flash only Magisk to root your phone (flashing SuperSU is optional and is really based on personal preference, Magisk will work with SuperSU if you flash that first).
Because of what Magisk is and how it works, it is not able to modify your device in the same way that Xposed can. This means that mods like gravitybox and mock mock locations cannot be implemented with Magisk. Technically, all Magisk modules can be installed without Magisk by manually editing/replacing things in the /system partition. What is special about it is that Magisk does these things systemlessly, meaning that (with the proper configurations), you can modify /system without triggering safetynet.
For the modified YouTube app I was talking about, that was actually modded and compiled as a stand-alone APK by someone on XDA. It does not alter your current YouTube app, but rather outright replaces it.
As for upgrading to Nougat, it's really up to personal choice. I personally never used Xposed for anything other than YouTube Adaway and Background Playback, and to top it off I rarely use YouTube on my phone anyways so upgrading was an easy choice for me. If you do end up wanting to upgrade, do the following:
1) Download the full ROM of whatever version of OOS you want to use (4.1.0 is the latest, on Android 7.1.1). Do not use the "Upgrade Phone" option in settings if you are already rooted or have modified anything in your /system partition, as it will cause problems.
2) Flash the full zip in TWRP, wipe cache/Dalvik, then immediately flash the latest Magisk.zip (from the main Magisk thread on XDA)
3) Boot, then download Magisk Manager from the Play Store
At this point, Magisk will have been fully installed and your phone should be rooted. You can confirm through the Magisk Manager app
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Magisk is a framework that allows you to make temporary changes to your /system partition at boot, without actually modifying the partition. It works by superimposing user-defined changes to files in /system during boot; changes are reverted to their stock state afterwards. These user-defined changes are loaded into Magisk through Magisk modules. While a lot of people may think it's similar to Xposed, they're really nothing alike. I mentioned Magisk for the YouTube app because it is merely convenient. You could manually replace the YouTube APK in system without any additional software, but Magisk will do it for you while applying all the correct permissions, etc. As a bonus, Magisk also includes its own rooting method that works, for the most part, as well as SuperSU. This means that you can flash only Magisk to root your phone (flashing SuperSU is optional and is really based on personal preference, Magisk will work with SuperSU if you flash that first).
Because of what Magisk is and how it works, it is not able to modify your device in the same way that Xposed can. This means that mods like gravitybox and mock mock locations cannot be implemented with Magisk. Technically, all Magisk modules can be installed without Magisk by manually editing/replacing things in the /system partition. What is special about it is that Magisk does these things systemlessly, meaning that (with the proper configurations), you can modify /system without triggering safetynet.
For the modified YouTube app I was talking about, that was actually modded and compiled as a stand-alone APK by someone on XDA. It does not alter your current YouTube app, but rather outright replaces it.
As for upgrading to Nougat, it's really up to personal choice. I personally never used Xposed for anything other than YouTube Adaway and Background Playback, and to top it off I rarely use YouTube on my phone anyways so upgrading was an easy choice for me. If you do end up wanting to upgrade, do the following:
1) Download the full ROM of whatever version of OOS you want to use (4.1.0 is the latest, on Android 7.1.1). Do not use the "Upgrade Phone" option in settings if you are already rooted or have modified anything in your /system partition, as it will cause problems.
2) Flash the full zip in TWRP, wipe cache/Dalvik, then immediately flash the latest Magisk.zip (from the main Magisk thread on XDA)
3) Boot, then download Magisk Manager from the Play Store
At this point, Magisk will have been fully installed and your phone should be rooted. You can confirm through the Magisk Manager app
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Thanks for such a detailed description of everything! You're the best! I seriously decided to upgrade tomorrow.
Just last couple questions before I do... Should I delete anything? Like xposed itself with it's modules, or does the system upgrade wipe everything itself? Should I perform any backups other than usual titanium ones?
Thanks in advance
Crishien said:
Thanks for such a detailed description of everything! You're the best! I seriously decided to upgrade tomorrow.
Just last couple questions before I do... Should I delete anything? Like xposed itself with it's modules, or does the system upgrade wipe everything itself? Should I perform any backups other than usual titanium ones?
Thanks in advance
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You should delete the Xposed modules prior to updating, as they are saved as user apps and will not be wiped with an upgrade. Delete the Xposed framework app as well for the same reason. Updating should erase all of the background stuff that the Xposed originally installed in /system. Take a nandroid prior to updating just in case.
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You should delete the Xposed modules prior to updating, as they are saved as user apps and will not be wiped with an upgrade. Delete the Xposed framework app as well for the same reason. Updating should erase all of the background stuff that the Xposed originally installed in /system. Take a nandroid prior to updating just in case.
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Thanks again, mate!
Is this the one I should download? https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-3t/how-to/rom-oos4-0-nougat-op3t-leaked-t3523482
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Thanks again, mate!
Is this the one I should download? https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-3t/how-to/rom-oos4-0-nougat-op3t-leaked-t3523482
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Yes, that will work. OnePlus has not yet released the official zip through their website at this time, otherwise I would advise you to use the official zip.
Anova's Origin said:
Yes, that will work. OnePlus has not yet released the official zip through their website at this time, otherwise I would advise you to use the official zip.
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Great, thank you. Imma let you know how it goes later today.
Anova's Origin said:
Yes, that will work. OnePlus has not yet released the official zip through their website at this time, otherwise I would advise you to use the official zip.
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Not sure if I did anything wrong or I'm just impatient... But I flashed the update successfully and deleted dalvik. But got stuck at boot logo. Been hanging like this for 15 minutes, phone got hot and drained half its juice. So I reverted for now.... I'll try again at home with a charger... ?
954wrecker said:
Xposed over any OS without Xposed. I have never even flashed Nouget because I know its just a waste of time for me. Ive been on cm13 since the day it came out. DEC 11 2016.
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what can xposed do that you actually need that you can't do with magisk?
EuEra said:
what can xposed do that you actually need that you can't do with magisk?
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I don't think magisk can handle what xposed can handle.
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I don't think magisk can handle what xposed can handle.
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Indeed I will miss gravitybox. But if there is any other way to make my buttons do what I like which is (on the left - menu button with double tap for previous app/ home is home and recents on long press / right is back.)
Other than that it's all purely visual enhancement such as perfect color bar, media visualizer, and ****.
On the other hand I've just encountered a slight difficulty... Magisk won't work properly if I had Supersu previously installed, right?
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Indeed I will miss gravitybox. But if there is any other way to make my buttons do what I like which is (on the left - menu button with double tap for previous app/ home is home and recents on long press / right is back.)
Other than that it's all purely visual enhancement such as perfect color bar, media visualizer, and ****.
On the other hand I've just encountered a slight difficulty... Magisk won't work properly if I had Supersu previously installed, right?
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What are you gaining if I may ask? I have never tried 7.0 or magisk because I see ZERO benefit and Id lose all my favorite modules.
954wrecker said:
What are you gaining if I may ask? I have never tried 7.0 or magisk because I see ZERO benefit and Id lose all my favorite modules.
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That's what I wanna find out. I wanna see what's the new Android about. And I'm sure rovo will find a solution soon. And we will see xposed for nougat.
GravityBox is terrible and has slowed down every phone it's ever been put on (from my experience).
Xposed is a hack and it's shameful how it's holding back advancement.
Nougat > any hack
MattBooth said:
GravityBox is terrible and has slowed down every phone it's ever been put on (from my experience).
Xposed is a hack and it's shameful how it's holding back advancement.
Nougat > any hack
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My phone is just as fast with xposed as it is without. All my apps work perfectly so I say any OS with Xposed is > Nougat
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I don't think magisk can handle what xposed can handle.
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Most of that is either completely unnessecary, pointless, or magisk can do it if people start developing for it. I have none of it (except no ads on youtube and the ability to turn off the screen) and i am completely fine. I think you tell yourself you need all that stuff but you actually don't, staying versions behind on the OS for it seems stupid.
954wrecker said:
My phone is just as fast with xposed as it is without. All my apps work perfectly so I say any OS with Xposed is > Nougat
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Well that's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but I've noticed the total opposite across several devices. I always try Xposed on a new phone and I always massively dislike the way it works. Intercepting code that was not supposed to be intercepted just adds overhead. There's a good reason AOSP devs will refuse to look at any bug report that has Xposed in the logs.
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Anyway, the battery savings from Nougat are too good to pass over. The only thing I need to customise on my phone is having the Google Dialer, and AdAway, whilst still keeping SafetyNet as passing, which Magisk does perfectly.
EuEra said:
Most of that is either completely unnessecary, pointless, or magisk can do it if people start developing for it. I have none of it (except no ads on youtube and the ability to turn off the screen) and i am completely fine. I think you tell yourself you need all that stuff but you actually don't, staying versions behind on the OS for it seems stupid.
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Exactly, unless you use every setting on GravityBox then it's not entirely necessary, yet even if those functions are off or there are features of GravityBox you don't use, their code is still run. The bigger it gets the more the overhead there is. If you don't use, say, the network speed monitor, it's hook is still active. I could be wrong, but last time I dabbled with Xposed, this was the case.
If anything, smaller more granular modules would be better for GB. One module for network speed. One module for changing the on-screen buttons, etc. That way you only install modules that you use, rather than a whole library of them where you might only use 2-3 of the actual features.
What I did:
- Wipe all (clean install).
- Flash latest Official MoKee ROM (Nougat).
- Flash latest GApps.
- Flash latest Magisk.
- Reboot.
After finished the Wizard Setup and before doing anything, my phone got very laggy, open menu, open Settings, etc.
Then I clean install again like the steps above, but this time using SuperSU, and everything normal, so I stick with SuperSU for now.
My questions, what is the cause of the lags? Is it known bug in Magisk, the ROM itself (not compatible), or GApps? I also heard ResurrectionRemix had the same problem after installing Magisk, so many people revert back to SuperSU.
Thanks,
I have Resurrectionremix and Magisk 14.3
No any lag on my phone.
Tapatalk - Xiaomi Mi6
You need to list what modules you're using.
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You need to list what modules you're using.
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I only flash the ROM, GApps and Magisk without any additional flashable ZIPs.
Honestly that doesn't sound like Magisk. I've ran Magisk on literally probably 20 ROMs between Angler and Pixel XL and never Magisk caused lag... Did u try a different rom? Just curious, or maybe it's some incompatibility with that specific rom and magisk
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Honestly that doesn't sound like Magisk. I've ran Magisk on literally probably 20 ROMs between Angler and Pixel XL and never Magisk caused lag... Did u try a different rom? Just curious, or maybe it's some incompatibility with that specific rom and magisk
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I tried several ROMs that based on LOS and all same, maybe it's caused by LOS base that used in those ROMs. And since you say so, probably it's not an issue in Magisk, but the ROM itself.
I'll try Magisk again later when some ROM's builds available for my device.
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I think my questions has been answered (it's appear not issue in Magisk side) and this thread can be closed.
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I tried several ROMs that based on LOS and all same, maybe it's caused by LOS base that used in those ROMs. And since you say so, probably it's not an issue in Magisk, but the ROM itself.
I'll try Magisk again later when some ROM's builds available for my device.
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I think my questions has been answered (it's appear not issue in Magisk side) and this thread can be closed.
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Ya I was gonna say cause I use all AOSP and CAF based
I had this issue with Lineage 14.1 and AEX before.
Now I don't have this issue anymore.
What I do is:
- Wipe everything
- Install ROM
- Install GApps
- Reboot and finish Setup Wizard (then I install some or all apps that I use)
- Reboot to TWRP and flash Magisk.
The first time I reboot after flashing Magisk it's still a little slower than normal. Then I reboot one more time and never faced this anymore.
Now I do this everytime I make a clean install and everytime it works.
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I had this issue with Lineage 14.1 and AEX before.
Now I don't have this issue anymore.
What I do is:
- Wipe everything
- Install ROM
- Install GApps
- Reboot and finish Setup Wizard (then I install some or all apps that I use)
- Reboot to TWRP and flash Magisk.
The first time I reboot after flashing Magisk it's still a little slower than normal. Then I reboot one more time and never faced this anymore.
Now I do this everytime I make a clean install and everytime it works.
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So don't flash Magisk along with the ROM?
Instead finish Wizard Setup first and back to TWRP to flash Magisk. I'll try this if the issue still persist. Many Thanks
irfanfadilah said:
So don't flash Magisk along with the ROM?
Instead finish Wizard Setup first and back to TWRP to flash Magisk. I'll try this if the issue still persist. Many Thanks
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Yes.
Try it and let me know if this also fix the problem for you.
Yes, Magisk is the thing that's causing lag and stutter. My Nexus 5X is also barely responding to any commands if I flash Magisk right after a ROM clean installation. If you flash only the ROM, then you can finish setting up the device without much stutter or hiccups in performance.
If, after a clean installation (or after installing Magisk - didn't try this though) you use the phone without Magisk for a bit, maybe install some apps, etc, you'll see that everything is nice and smooth.
Now, you can check the smoothness without Magisk and with Magisk installed like this:
- Without Magisk: Update 'Google App' to the latest version then try to open the side panel from the latest Pixel Launcher. You'll see that opening/closing it is nice and smooth, and scrolling up and down is also smooth.
- With Magisk installed (without using any modules): The moment the phone turns on, at first, things might seem OK. First wait for the phone to settle down after the reboot for a few minutes. Then try opening the side panel. You'll see some stutter while dragging that panel to the right, maybe not huge, but it's there. Scrolling up and down is also stuttery. At first I thought it was because of the latest version of Google App, or the new cards design, or even the images in there, but that wasn't the issue. Then I thought maybe the launcher was somehow influencing Google App's performance, but that wasn't either the issue.
AND it was like I completely forgot about SuperSU and didn't even think of trying it in order to see how things were.
I even rebased my ROM in the hope that I'd find the culprit, and still nothing. Nothing weird appeared in any logs, which was so annoying. And a few hours ago, after finishing up cleaning up my sources (for other reasons), I compiled a fresh new build, and it crossed my mind to try SuperSU, just for the hell of it, and BOOM ! No more lag and stutter. The phone is snappy and responsive again.
I'll try to contact the dude behind Magisk and see what he has to say, or leave a comment in his thread.
The thing is, those with more recent phones, like the Pixels or any other phones than are more powerful than mine, might not notice what I described above, but there should be some stutter there, no matter how small, maybe in other scenarios as well.
The thing is, Magisk kinda slowly took the place of Xposed, at least that's what it looks like to me, and I personally don't like that but that's how things are, I suppose. All those modules or at least one of them WILL cause issues sooner or later, just like on Xposed.
But in the end, yes, it's Magisk what's destroying your phone's performance and nothing else. So if you're not really in the need to have your phone pass SafetyNet, and want to have your phone snappy and lag-free, use SuperSU, at least until things get better on Magisk.
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Yes, Magisk is the thing that's causing lag and stutter. My Nexus 5X is also barely responding to any commands if I flash Magisk right after a ROM clean installation. If you flash only the ROM, then you can finish setting up the device without much stutter or hiccups in performance.
If, after a clean installation (or after installing Magisk - didn't try this though) you use the phone without Magisk for a bit, maybe install some apps, etc, you'll see that everything is nice and smooth.
Now, you can check the smoothness without Magisk and with Magisk installed like this:
- Without Magisk: Update 'Google App' to the latest version then try to open the side panel from the latest Pixel Launcher. You'll see that opening/closing it is nice and smooth, and scrolling up and down is also smooth.
- With Magisk installed (without using any modules): The moment the phone turns on, at first, things might seem OK. First wait for the phone to settle down after the reboot for a few minutes. Then try opening the side panel. You'll see some stutter while dragging that panel to the right, maybe not huge, but it's there. Scrolling up and down is also stuttery. At first I thought it was because of the latest version of Google App, or the new cards design, or even the images in there, but that wasn't the issue. Then I thought maybe the launcher was somehow influencing Google App's performance, but that wasn't either the issue.
AND it was like I completely forgot about SuperSU and didn't even think of trying it in order to see how things were.
I even rebased my ROM in the hope that I'd find the culprit, and still nothing. Nothing weird appeared in any logs, which was so annoying. And a few hours ago, after finishing up cleaning up my sources (for other reasons), I compiled a fresh new build, and it crossed my mind to try SuperSU, just for the hell of it, and BOOM ! No more lag and stutter. The phone is snappy and responsive again.
I'll try to contact the dude behind Magisk and see what he has to say, or leave a comment in his thread.
The thing is, those with more recent phones, like the Pixels or any other phones than are more powerful than mine, might not notice what I described above, but there should be some stutter there, no matter how small, maybe in other scenarios as well.
The thing is, Magisk kinda slowly took the place of Xposed, at least that's what it looks like to me, and I personally don't like that but that's how things are, I suppose. All those modules or at least one of them WILL cause issues sooner or later, just like on Xposed.
But in the end, yes, it's Magisk what's destroying your phone's performance and nothing else. So if you're not really in the need to have your phone pass SafetyNet, and want to have your phone snappy and lag-free, use SuperSU, at least until things get better on Magisk.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one experienced this issue, that's mean it's not entirely user fault. Maybe you're right, on more high-spec phones they won't really notice the lags/stutters.
Looking forward to the news/updates regarding this issue.
irfanfadilah said:
So don't flash Magisk along with the ROM?
Instead finish Wizard Setup first and back to TWRP to flash Magisk. I'll try this if the issue still persist. Many Thanks
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I don't mean to necrobump, but did it work? I have an LG G4 (H815) and suffered the same issue. Like you, I only flashed magisk right after flashing the ROM (LG nougat).
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Camandros said:
I don't mean to necrobump, but did it work? I have an LG G4 (H815) and suffered the same issue. Like you, I only flashed magisk right after flashing the ROM (LG nougat).
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I haven't got the chance to try it.
Currently I'm using SuperSU to root my device.
I tried installing magisk on my currently in use ROM, i.e., a long time after flashing it, and although it got less laggy, there still was a heavy lag impact in some applications. Maybe it has less impact on lineage or on lighter ROMs? I'm using official LG nougat.
I'm using Mi 6 in Xiaomi.eu rom
YES, magisk causing laggy.
Same here
Mi5, tested on MIUI 9 and 10
Without Magisk everything was great and after flashing Magisk, the phone got laggy!
I have the same problem with my LG G6
interesting, first I thought that emmc will be broken. because the problem is the same (lag). but after i replace emmc, all back is fine. I just think emmc is broken because it is often flashing rom.
ChessPiece said:
What I did:
- Wipe all (clean install).
- Flash latest Official MoKee ROM (Nougat).
- Flash latest GApps.
- Flash latest Magisk.
- Reboot.
After finished the Wizard Setup and before doing anything, my phone got very laggy, open menu, open Settings, etc.
Then I clean install again like the steps above, but this time using SuperSU, and everything normal, so I stick with SuperSU for now.
My questions, what is the cause of the lags? Is it known bug in Magisk, the ROM itself (not compatible), or GApps? I also heard ResurrectionRemix had the same problem after installing Magisk, so many people revert back to SuperSU.
Thanks,
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what magisk version 16.0 or beta? magisk can't make the phone lag but kernel or something in ROM may interrupt try to change kernel or flash the lastest Gapps
No rom dev.
Can't get magisk in.
Dk magisk anyways
Xposed is doa? Or past it's prime.
Ok, how to gain root? Flash kernel which won't flash? Ow.
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No rom dev.
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Uh... you can try GSIs on this phone after unlocking bootloader. Most of the phone's functionality work with GSIs at the moment.
ǀcey said:
Can't get magisk in.
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Recently Magisk has changed its way of distribution so there's only an apk now. But if you rename the Magisk apk into a zip, you can then flash it from TWRP (which you can access by flashing arter97's kernel).
ǀcey said:
Dk magisk anyways
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Nowadays if you're to root the most ideal approach would be Magisk, which allows you to modify the system without directly touching the system partition, as well as hiding its presence from certain sensitive apps so Safety Net can still pass.
ǀcey said:
Xposed is doa? Or past it's prime.
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If you're saying it's past prime... in some aspects, yes, thanks to the fact that you can't have both Xposed and Safety Net passing at the same time.
Still, if you're interested, you may consider looking for EdXposed or LSposed. I haven't tested it myself as I don't really have a use case at the moment, but these might be useful.
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Ok, how to gain root? Flash kernel which won't flash? Ow.
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You mostly need to just unlock bootloader following official instructions. After that you can proceed to flash kernels and GSIs through fastboot.
PS: I think this thread should best be posted in the Q&A forum...
EDIT: Just noticed your other post. If that was your real question... well, you were in the stock recovery and not the bootloader so fastboot commands obviously won't work there.
To enter bootloader, power it off, hold VOL- and POWER buttons until you see something like "Restart Bootloader", then you should be able to use fastboot.
Thank you, for all of your information!
It helped me by heaps!
The biggest problem I was having, was thinking the phone was in fastboot when it wasn't.
When I figured that out, the phone was quickly up n running on Phh-Treble with GApps Gsi.
Magisk Manager vs apk uses were confusing. It's Modules I can more easily blindly understand due to knowing XPosed.
Magisk went in smoothly & successfully via the change extension fastboot method which you explained.
But it appears the same as before inside the OS It's there but not really in type of thing.
Everything but the f2fs file and Magisk did complain.
I have no idea what kernel actually made it in now.
Safetynet! Hahaha! Is a new thing for me.
My phone is PlayStore bonafide uncertified also now.
PlayStore, I tried some other gapps nothing really changes, it just reupdates back to where it was, if it does, anyways(I think).
I tried registering device too. Failed that!
Being Uncertified = no netflix, no bank apps(deal breakers to me). GPhotos 1/2-ish working. Gvoice, Gmail working great! Razer Themes.apk + Pandora disappeared. I miss Razer Themes Lockscreens alot! Razer gives only a play link.
I installed older Netflix & Bank app. Both working.
Play ignores netflix but updated Bank. The same Bank app did stop working on a deemed outdated device in the past. It's not Chase but close.
I did try hiding things from the launcher via an other installed launcher.
An old Selinux(sp?) showed set to permissive. I changed to enforced, rebooted and it appeared to stick.
I installed Greenify(old) and stopped everything then did my monthly banking business, paid, xferred, etc. All transactions were confirmed. Boot still unlocked.
Soon afterwards, I installed Aptoide which informed me of root.
The Gsi's package Installer, won't install anything from within Es(I'm a diehard Es file manager user). The built-in file manager must be used to call the installer. The built-in file manager also crashes when searching.
A buggy installer I can deal with. Banking without it's app, I can not.
A halfbaked PlayStore is doable but not ideal.
The gsi itself on a RP2 is beautiful. The darks darker. The flashlight toggle works now! The fingerprint sensor never worked, still doesn't. 120fps, few games bake that capablity in. I haven't tested yet. No sound in Wyze app.
I recommend having your fav most used .apks dled before leaping onto it.
First boot was loud! Be prepared!
Then nothing.
2 days later, I noticed all alarms & notifications were set to silent sound.wav.
Idk, where to go from here. Stick to where it is now & wait for fixes. Go back. Or to go patch crazy if I can manage to get Magisk in.
I'm happy enough where it is now and it feels pretty secure. Will relocking the bootloader wipe it? The adult in me thinks.
But! I love tweaking...zzz
Relocking undoes it
LSS4181 said:
Uh... you can try GSIs on this phone after unlocking bootloader. Most of the phone's functionality work with GSIs at the moment.
Recently Magisk has changed its way of distribution so there's only an apk now. But if you rename the Magisk apk into a zip, you can then flash it from TWRP (which you can access by flashing arter97's kernel).
Nowadays if you're to root the most ideal approach would be Magisk, which allows you to modify the system without directly touching the system partition, as well as hiding its presence from certain sensitive apps so Safety Net can still pass.
If you're saying it's past prime... in some aspects, yes, thanks to the fact that you can't have both Xposed and Safety Net passing at the same time.
Still, if you're interested, you may consider looking for EdXposed or LSposed. I haven't tested it myself as I don't really have a use case at the moment, but these might be useful.
You mostly need to just unlock bootloader following official instructions. After that you can proceed to flash kernels and GSIs through fastboot.
PS: I think this thread should best be posted in the Q&A forum...
EDIT: Just noticed your other post. If that was your real question... well, you were in the stock recovery and not the bootloader so fastboot commands obviously won't work there.
To enter bootloader, power it off, hold VOL- and POWER buttons until you see something like "Restart Bootloader", then you should be able to use fastboot.
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I have one of the faulty charging ports so cannot do anything with USB. I do have my bootloader unlocked so is there any way to get the gsi's, twrp and root onto the phone via SD card? Any help is appreciated.
I apologize if this is a noob question. I haven't rooted since Pixel 2, so it has been close to 6 years and I am not very aware anymore about Magisk. I can probably find videos regarding how to install Magisk and root, but my question was with its use of LSposed and Pixelfy Google photos.
The Pixel 5 and older have free photo storage, and I assume this module spoofs the type of phone and makes it think it is a Pixel and gives free photo storage.
I have a phone I am not using but it is not rooted yet and something I am considering.
I have been also checking various threads and there is mixed feedback on this particular module.
Does anyone use the Pixelfy free photo storage ? It looks like it needs to be used with Magisk and LSposed to get it to work ? Some threads it looks like it works, others have been commenting that it is bricking and causing problems. If it is unreliable or bricking, then I'll just see if I can buy and older pixel but thought I'd ask here first. Thanks.
mikeprius said:
I apologize if this is a noob question. I haven't rooted since Pixel 2, so it has been close to 6 years and I am not very aware anymore about Magisk. I can probably find videos regarding how to install Magisk and root, but my question was with its use of LSposed and Pixelfy Google photos.
The Pixel 5 and older have free photo storage, and I assume this module spoofs the type of phone and makes it think it is a Pixel and gives free photo storage.
I have a phone I am not using but it is not rooted yet and something I am considering.
I have been also checking various threads and there is mixed feedback on this particular module.
Does anyone use the Pixelfy free photo storage ? It looks like it needs to be used with Magisk and LSposed to get it to work ? Some threads it looks like it works, others have been commenting that it is bricking and causing problems. If it is unreliable or bricking, then I'll just see if I can buy and older pixel but thought I'd ask here first. Thanks.
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If you mean this LSPosed module, then yes, I use it on 3 of my devices and it works perfectly.
And yes, it requires to be rooted with Magisk and to have LSPosed framework installed.
Lord Sithek said:
If you mean this LSPosed module, then yes, I use it on 3 of my devices and it works perfectly.
And yes, it requires to be rooted with Magisk and to have LSPosed framework installed.
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Hi yes I believe this is it. So in order to have unlimited Google photo uploads, I need to first root, have magisk, download lsposed, then download this module separately?
I have a pixel 6a. Has there been any issues with Google halting or finding out about the spoof and blocking it?
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Hi yes I believe this is it. So in order to have unlimited Google photo uploads, I need to first root, have magisk, download lsposed, then download this module separately?
I have a pixel 6a. Has there been any issues with Google halting or finding out about the spoof and blocking it?
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Yes...there is actually two methods Pixelify goes about this; they either spoof the Pixel 5 (which is the latest Pixel Google will allow unlimited uploads but at "Storage Saver" lowered quality on the photos and videos) or the original Pixel(1) [which is the original and only Google Pixel left that Google allows unlimited uploads in original quality]. So you would need to decide which method you are willing to try and do...
But yes, you'd have to unlock the bootloader (which wipes the device), root with Magisk, install the LSPosed Magisk module, then run that Unlimited Google Photo app (or Baltiapps Pixelify GPhotos as it's officially named) which will then install the LSPosed module "separately".
I've already spoken a bit on this, so I will just quote what I said before (things to consider and risks involved) as well as you can click on the quote to go to the post/thread and see how the discussion developed there;
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I wouldn't make this claim with such certainty. Spoofing a Pixel phone is definitely against Google's Terms and Conditions. Doing this for years may have worked out since Google was offering it from Pixel 2-5 in Storage Saver capacity, but it's been 2 years since the Pixel 5 was released, and as time goes on, it's less realistic that Pixel's before 6 would still be in use, yet there would be all these accounts still backing up using the unlimited storage feature. ESPECIALLY if (like me, to be guilty of) there are many who are spoofing the Pixel 1 to get it unlimited WITH original quality -- being the first Pixel is 7 years old; highly unrealistic that so many people should still be using the phone to be taking photos and videos off of.
My point is that, no one using this "trick" should completely rely on it and expect Google to "play along" indefinitely about it. Like I've been saying, at best, Google will just plug in the loophole and close the feature down; at worst, they remove any photo or video that were taken under a particular Pixel model when your google account shows it being connected to another device altogether and/or they suspend a google account outright using the exploit -- this is highly unlikely, but is still in the realm of possibility and is as I said worst case.
I, myself, back my photos and videos from my Pixel 7 Pro using this spoofing trick, but I will also back all my media up (when my device is full) on a physical medium just in case.
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P.S. Also, since you are out of practice in rooting, there is an excellent tool that streamlines most anything to do outside of stock experience on the Pixels (bootloader unlocking, rooting, flashing and/or updating Full Factory images or OTAs [to either both or inactive slots], flashing custom ROMs, other recovery checks and protocols, advanced apk install or apk/app disabling [system, stock], it might even be able to flash custom kernels but I can't be too sure) which would be able to accomplish what your aims are pretty much with a single click (outside of clicking where your factory images are and what not)....
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Yes...there is actually two methods Pixelify goes about this; they either spoof the Pixel 5 (which is the latest Pixel Google will allow unlimited uploads but at "Storage Saver" lowered quality on the photos and videos) or the original Pixel(1) [which is the original and only Google Pixel left that Google allows unlimited uploads in original quality]. So you would need to decide which method you are willing to try and do...
But yes, you'd have to unlock the bootloader (which wipes the device), root with Magisk, install the LSPosed Magisk module, then run that Unlimited Google Photo app (or Baltiapps Pixelify GPhotos as it's officially named) which will then install the LSPosed module "separately".
I've already spoken a bit on this, so I will just quote what I said before (things to consider and risks involved) as well as you can click on the quote to go to the post/thread and see how the discussion developed there;
P.S. Also, since you are out of practice in rooting, there is an excellent tool that streamlines most anything to do outside of stock experience on the Pixels (bootloader unlocking, rooting, flashing and/or updating Full Factory images or OTAs [to either both or inactive slots], flashing custom ROMs, other recovery checks and protocols, advanced apk install or apk/app disabling [system, stock], it might even be able to flash custom kernels but I can't be too sure) which would be able to accomplish what your aims are pretty much with a single click (outside of clicking where your factory images are and what not)....
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Thank you for the information. So before the way I used to root was I would use adb then type fastboot img then the TWRP file.
Then reboot and now I have custom recovery TWRP. This is of course after I have unlocked the bootloader which wiped.
I assume this is still the case where oem unlock is checked in developer options then sdb fastboot flashing unlock?
I briefly used magisk by topjohnwu but it was new back then and I sort of didn't keep up with it.
If there is a program or different method is it possible to point me to it? I honestly can remember what to do after booting TWRP.
Regarding the spoofing, the standard upload of the pixel 5 is fine for me and you mentioned some good points regarding Google potentially catching on. At the time banking apps didn't care if you were rooted but I think they do not work anymore if you are.
Also I thought I read somewhere, lets say I just flash a custom rom instead and don't use the pixel OS, will this be automatically for this module without having to do anything extra? It reminds me of when all custom roms had free Hotspot tethering built in so you didn't need to do anything extra.
I also don't mind flashing a custom rom and using it as a dedicated backup device either. Just exploring options
Thanks for the starter info. I just realized how long it has been and I don't recognize anything anymore.
mikeprius said:
Thank you for the information. So before the way I used to root was I would use adb then type fastboot img then the TWRP file.
Then reboot and now I have custom recovery TWRP. This is of course after I have unlocked the bootloader which wiped.
I assume this is still the case where oem unlock is checked in developer options then sdb fastboot flashing unlock?
I briefly used magisk by topjohnwu but it was new back then and I sort of didn't keep up with it.
If there is a program or different method is it possible to point me to it? I honestly can remember what to do after booting TWRP.
Regarding the spoofing, the standard upload of the pixel 5 is fine for me and you mentioned some good points regarding Google potentially catching on. At the time banking apps didn't care if you were rooted but I think they do not work anymore if you are.
Also I thought I read somewhere, lets say I just flash a custom rom instead and don't use the pixel OS, will this be automatically for this module without having to do anything extra? It reminds me of when all custom roms had free Hotspot tethering built in so you didn't need to do anything extra.
I also don't mind flashing a custom rom and using it as a dedicated backup device either. Just exploring options
Thanks for the starter info. I just realized how long it has been and I don't recognize anything anymore.
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I also had a Pixel 2 XL (taimen) for 3 years -- upgraded to the Pixel 5 -- so I am familiar with the method you are familiar with.
Unfortunately, that is no longer how it works. It sucks, but TWRP could never catch up after Android 10 -- it would take so long for them to develop that once they finally got TWRP to work with Android 10, Android 11 was released and became the new established version; then once they finally got it compatible with Android 11, Android 12 released and the same thing. So, as I understand it, TWRP does work in a limited capacity for Android 12, but it will not work for Android 13 (yet); and it seems if history repeats itself, it might not get there by the time Android 14 releases...
So still using magisk, but you can't "install" magisk from a .zip like you could with TWRP.
It's not that much more complicated than flashing Full Factory images or temp booting from a recovery image -- you simply extract the init_boot.img from the Full Factory image, "run it through" the Magisk app and get it patched that way, then flash the patched image the same way you flash the recovery partition (from the TWRP image) to permanently install/flash the custom recovery.
But, if you are still wary about going about all of this and/or if you are out of practice and unsure, please consider badabing2003's PixelFlasher. It basically does all of that stuff, but puts a GUI and automates it all for you -- as well as doing certain checks and protocols to make sure things aren't done wrong or buggy/incompatibly. It's as close to "one-click" as anyone's gonna get for the Pixels...
PixelFlasher will guide you to downloading the Full Factory image (or OTA if you wish that way), Magisk, the right platform-tools version (the least buggy version), i believe it can unlock the bootloader (but I could be wrong), and root or Full Factory update for you.
Hope this helps!
Lord Sithek said:
If you mean this LSPosed module, then yes, I use it on 3 of my devices and it works perfectly.
And yes, it requires to be rooted with Magisk and to have LSPosed framework installed.
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Please, after installing how can be used?
Thanks!
amplatfus said:
Please, after installing how can be used?
Thanks!
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after installing the module, the module actually installs an app (which can be found in the app drawer) under "Pixelify GPhotos". Running the app should give you all the settings and options you need to get it to work/"be used" -- it even has a button to force-close Google Photos to reset it to detect the spoofing. Just be sure you have all modules enabled (LSPosed[within Magisk], Pixelify GPhotos[within LSPosed]).
I've assisted a bunch of users/members where they had to play around with the configurations a bunch to finally get it to work for them; for whatever reason, one configuration works for one user but not the other -- my configuration did not work for some of them and they had to enable certain settings to get it to work for them (even though we are using the same device).
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after installing the module, the module actually installs an app (which can be found in the app drawer) under "Pixelify GPhotos". Running the app should give you all the settings and options you need to get it to work/"be used" -- it even has a button to force-close Google Photos to reset it to detect the spoofing. Just be sure you have all modules enabled (LSPosed[within Magisk], Pixelify GPhotos[within LSPosed]).
I've assisted a bunch of users/members where they had to play around with the configurations a bunch to finally get it to work for them; for whatever reason, one configuration works for one user but not the other -- my configuration did not work for some of them and they had to enable certain settings to get it to work for them (even though we are using the same device).
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Hi thank you for all your help. I currently have the pixel 6a now and will get the 7a but probably keep the 6a as a dev device. Once I unlock the bootloader, I will try the pixel flasher and go from there. Good to know about TWRP but if there is a newer and better way I am all about experimenting with that as well. I may give it a run over the summer.
Once I download pixel flasher and install magisk, so I go to gitgub and download lsposed then install pixelfy as a module separately?
Unlock bootloader -> pixel flasher->magisk->Lsposed-> Pixelfy?
Thanks and salamat po
mikeprius said:
Hi thank you for all your help. I currently have the pixel 6a now and will get the 7a but probably keep the 6a as a dev device. Once I unlock the bootloader, I will try the pixel flasher and go from there. Good to know about TWRP but if there is a newer and better way I am all about experimenting with that as well. I may give it a run over the summer.
Once I download pixel flasher and install magisk, so I go to gitgub and download lsposed then install pixelfy as a module separately?
Unlock bootloader -> pixel flasher->magisk->Lsposed-> Pixelfy?
Thanks and salamat po
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Once [you] download pixel flasher and install magisk,...go to [github] and download LSPosed (zygisk version), then install Pixelify GPhotos (Baltiapps version, not original kingsman44) LSPosed module as a module separately (in LSPosed).
It will then install a companion app which you can set the settings and options....
But yes, "Unlock bootloader -> pixel flasher->magisk->Lsposed-> Pixelfy?" looks right; just keep in mind that unlocking bootloader wipes device, and use Pixelify Baltiapps and not kingsman44's.
Glad to help!