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The differemce in android built!

Samsung galaxy A5 being expensive midranger doesn't got full amdroid marshmallow support! It was upgraded from kitkat to lollipop with some changes but marshamllow upgrade didn't changed anything except Android Version and API level.
Being cheap and lower in specs wise Galaxy J5 got all the Marshmallow feature. It has got theme support, newer notification panel etc. Which galaxy A5 lacks!! What is the reason behind it??

To sell newer devices obviously.

Well, look on the bright side, A5 will eventually get 7.0, while J5 won't.

King-V said:
Well, look on the bright side, A5 will eventually get 7.0, while J5 won't.
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Yes I am eagerly waititing for Android 7.0 to arrive in my A5!

inteLzzz said:
To sell newer devices obviously.
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Yes that may be an marketing strategy to sell newer device!

They have around 30 devices floating around from the last 3 years. The Galaxy S5 for example did not get updated to the newest Touchwiz version although receiving the update to marshmallow. It's a marketing thing for sure but as the average user won't care too much about the UI it's just not worth the hassle to port newest Touchwiz to outdated devices.

schwarzerfleck said:
They have around 30 devices floating around from the last 3 years. The Galaxy S5 for example did not get updated to the newest Touchwiz version although receiving the update to marshmallow. It's a marketing thing for sure but as the average user won't care too much about the UI it's just not worth the hassle to port newest Touchwiz to outdated devices.
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But I hope this device will get android N!!

Wildestdrm said:
But I hope this device will get android N!!
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It will. I wonder how long it will take Samsung to realise they need to step up their update game. Waiting for an update for a whole year to come - not cool. Only receiving one, max. 2 software updates at all - not cool either. If they really want to beat Apple in the future they need to proof they can handle updates well.

schwarzerfleck said:
It will. I wonder how long it will take Samsung to realise they need to step up their update game. Waiting for an update for a whole year to come - not cool. Only receiving one, max. 2 software updates at all - not cool either. If they really want to beat Apple in the future they need to proof they can handle updates well.
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Absolutely correct !!

Project Treble and Note9

Should we expect Android 9 to come to the Note9 faster than previous updates on notes due to project Treble? Is that thing actually doing anything? The Note8 took FOREVER to get Oreo. Was that a Project Treble phone too? If so, I guess I should anticipate waiting until like February/March again, which is a shame for a flagship phone like this. I'd be pleased if it was out before 2019 begins. That's more than enough time I think.
What do you guys think?

PsiPhiDan said:
Should we expect Android 9 to come to the Note9 faster than previous updates on notes due to project Treble? Is that thing actually doing anything? The Note8 took FOREVER to get Oreo. Was that a Project Treble phone too? If so, I guess I should anticipate waiting until like February/March again, which is a shame for a flagship phone like this. I'd be pleased if it was out before 2019 begins. That's more than enough time I think.
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I wouldn't expect anything. Different but what do I know. The note 8 wasn't a treble device though.
I doubt you will see Pie before March April time frame.

pcriz said:
I wouldn't expect anything. Different but what do I know. The note 8 wasn't a treble device though.
I doubt you will see Pie before March April time frame.
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S9 plus is a treble device, but it's still on 8.0

pcriz said:
I wouldn't expect anything. Different but what do I know. The note 8 wasn't a treble device though.
I doubt you will see Pie before March April time frame.
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That would be worse than the Note8 Oreo time frame! It had better be better than THAT! Haha.
Good to know that the Note8 wasn't Treble. I was not aware. That's encouraging!

krypto1300 said:
S9 plus is a treble device, but it's still on 8.0
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I mean, Android 9 just came out though. Unless you're thinking it would be 8.1, and that's your point?

PsiPhiDan said:
I mean, Android 9 just came out though. Unless you're thinking it would be 8.1, and that's your point?
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Exactly, 8.1 has been out six months or so and I thought treble would make those smaller updates more timely.

Dont expect update on this for a while. One of the reason why im holding on this phone. Samsung extradegy is always release their new flaship with the updated OS while leaving other phone behind. We wont see android pie on the note 9 until after the GS10 release in march (or so) with pie include has the new OS. Samsung will just release security patches every 2 or 3 month until this.

PsiPhiDan said:
That would be worse than the Note8 Oreo time frame! It had better be better than THAT! Haha.
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Oreo for the note 8 came the beginning of april

pcriz said:
Oreo for the note 8 came the beginning of april
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Ugh, that is right... I forgot. I was using those early Oreo ROMs for the Note8 way earlier, but forgot the official wasn't until around 4/1.

PsiPhiDan said:
Ugh, that is right... I forgot. I was using those early Oreo ROMs for the Note8 way earlier, but forgot the official wasn't until around 4/1.
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Yeah I think the first of those dropped in what dec

pcriz said:
Yeah I think the first of those dropped in what dec
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Somewhere in that neighborhood, yeah. It would be cool if the same happened on the Note9!

treble might provides updates a bit faster but I have had the galaxy s3, s5, s7e,s8 and now note 9 and updates were always very late and I think it would always be like that. maybe faster with treble but won't ever get updates as fast as others and we are going to wait months but I am sure no one has bought the note 9 or samsung phones for the fast updates ^^

After all the hulalbaloos and deep dives, lately I've been pronouncing it as "project trouble" for Galaxy flagships.

Working Pie GSI Rom for S9+
Since the hardware is exactly the same, will it work with Note 9?
<The guy in the video claims it should work on the Note9 too>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVsYd1rlMKo

PsiPhiDan said:
Should we expect Android 9 to come to the Note9 faster than previous updates on notes due to project Treble? Is that thing actually doing anything? The Note8 took FOREVER to get Oreo. Was that a Project Treble phone too? If so, I guess I should anticipate waiting until like February/March again, which is a shame for a flagship phone like this. I'd be pleased if it was out before 2019 begins. That's more than enough time I think.
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i have stopped myself from getting samsung since years ago due to the poor software updates. And i do not expect note 9 to be faster than any predecessors. i would still be alright if note 9 will never get Android Pie till 2020 (or neveR). Thats samsung and people should have expected that. Reasons i got myself the device was due to the 5 pillars of smartphone which Note9 did well, go watch the video by mkbhd.

This is really good news! Already, there is a Pie version of S9+ with Samsung Experience 10! It may be in its infant stages, but as the article mentions, that's at least a couple months faster than the last cycle (to Oreo), and this seems like a larger update.
https://www.xda-developers.com/excl...msung-experience-10-on-the-samsung-galaxy-s9/

PsiPhiDan said:
This is really good news! Already, there is a Pie version of S9+ with Samsung Experience 10! It may be in its infant stages, but as the article mentions, that's at least a couple months faster than the last cycle (to Oreo), and this seems like a larger update.
https://www.xda-developers.com/excl...msung-experience-10-on-the-samsung-galaxy-s9/
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Isn't it the case every year ?
Last year, I remember there was even a beta program for the S8.

alex989898 said:
Isn't it the case every year ?
Last year, I remember there was even a beta program for the S8.
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Yes, but as I mentioned, it is two months ahead of last year's schedule with the S8+.

PsiPhiDan said:
Yes, but as I mentioned, it is two months ahead of last year's schedule with the S8+.
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I'm pretty sure that last year the registration for the S8 Beta program began the first week of November and the first official beta release was just after that (I think around the 5 November or something like that).
Here, we have just a leaked firmware, around 1 month earlier than last week official beta. So don't get too excited.
Edit : I did a quick search and I find that the second beta firmware was released on the 10th of November last year.
https://www.google.fr/amp/s/www.sam...-android-8-0-oreo-beta-firmware-released/amp/
So, I really doubt things will be quicker this year.

Well if the Pie update is indeed released in January, then that would be a pretty big improvement in my world (especially with how much more significant of an update this is)! Project Treble for the win?

when will we see android pie?

Would be awesome to see if we can get more battery life

First someone has to make a crystal ball.

mrgwap03 said:
Would be awesome to see if ulwe can get more battery life
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If samsung keeps up like in the past note 9 will probably see it around 2019 early or so

TheMadScientist said:
If samsung keeps up like in the past note 9 will probably see it around 2019 early or so
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Oh my lol

mrgwap03 said:
Oh my lol
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Yea the may do a beta program like they did with oreo on s8 but I doubt it.

I highly doubt battery life is going to magically get better. When has it ever?

I'm actually perfectly happy on Oreo. I've never been one to rush to the latest update but then again I never bought Samsung phones for timely OS updates, LOL!

mrgwap03 said:
Would be awesome to see if we can get more battery life
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Oreo came to the Note8 April 2018, for reference.

PsiPhiDan said:
Oreo came to the Note8 April 2018, for reference.
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Thanks for the info. That's crazy lol

Project Treble sounds interesting. Maybe we can get quick updates now.
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Would be awesome to see if we can get more battery life
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Hopefully we see pie by the time Google releases android 10

Does it matter? No sooner the upgrade will posters start to moan about Pie? Happens every upgrade. We have Oreo and its stable, enjoy it. Enjoy your Note 9.
Ryland

Honestly all they need to fix is Exynos battery. I always hated Samsung for slow updates but quite honestly they always had majority of features before they were even introduced to stock Android

I think we're going to get Android Pie right after the Galaxy S10 launches. They wouldn't dare launch it with Oreo on board.

Ryland Johnson said:
Does it matter? No sooner the upgrade will posters start to moan about Pie? Happens every upgrade. We have Oreo and its stable, enjoy it. Enjoy your Note 9.
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Not only this. As soon as pie hits people will start asking about android 10 lol

Easy answer. After galaxy s10. If u look at samsung history they have always waited for their flaship device to arrive and shipped with their new version os without ipgrading their pass decives. Why would a note 9 be release with 8.1 while gs9 plus is still running 8.0. They are basically same phone hardware wise. Samsung dont care about updating their old hardware, they care releasing their new hardware with their new software to give people a bigger reason of why u should upgrade. After the honemoon is over then they will release it to their old hardware.

Sorry to burst your bubble but I think early 2019 is great considering they need to smooth everything out before pushing a new software upgrade. Until then we just sit back and enjoy our powerhouse device.

roaduardo said:
I'm actually perfectly happy on Oreo. I've never been one to rush to the latest update but then again I never bought Samsung phones for timely OS updates, LOL!
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You can say that again! Timely updates is not Samsung's strong suit.

Have we seen the last security update?

I'm on stock Nougat on my T713. This tablet does everything I need it to do so I haven't felt the need to install a custom ROM. The security update is January 2018 so I'm wondering if we'll ever see another one. If I knew for sure we wouldn't, then I would probably bite the bullet and install Lineage 15.1 or 16. What do you think?

I'm running a T715 and I got the T715XXU2CRH1 update a few days ago which comes with 1st June 2018 security patch.

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I'm running a T715 and I got the T715XXU2CRH1 update a few days ago which comes with 1st June 2018 security patch.
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That's encouraging. The Samsung website does show the T713 in the group scheduled for that update so I guess I'll hold on a little longer.

lmacmil said:
I'm on stock Nougat on my T713. This tablet does everything I need it to do so I haven't felt the need to install a custom ROM. The security update is January 2018 so I'm wondering if we'll ever see another one. If I knew for sure we wouldn't, then I would probably bite the bullet and install Lineage 15.1 or 16. What do you think?
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Are you saying that you have been on Nougat, since January?
Which version of the Tab 2 do you have and how has Nougat treated it?
My Nook version, just received the Nougat update, today, but I delayed it, because I wanted to see if it was a problematic update.
Marshmallow crippled my Nexus 7 tablet and I did not want to repeat.
I hadn't taken any measures to prevent updates, because I didn't think it would receive an OS update.

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Are you saying that you have been on Nougat, since January?
Which version of the Tab 2 do you have and how has Nougat treated it?
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I have the 8" Tab S2. It came with Nougat but it appears Samsung has ended security updates. I installed LineageOS 15.1 two weeks ago and it's working fine. The security patch is September 2018. I don't miss anything about the stock Samsung ROM.

lmacmil said:
I have the 8" Tab S2. It came with Nougat but it appears Samsung has ended security updates. I installed LineageOS 15.1 two weeks ago and it's working fine. The security patch is September 2018. I don't miss anything about the stock Samsung ROM.
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Thanks! I'd rather not root, if I don't have to, as this tablet is used by the wife. It is the SM-T713 UD Nook version.
I can't recall if I did anything to prevent the Nougat update, months ago. Today it received the notification that Nougat had downloaded to the tablet and is ready to install.
I'm hesitant to "upgrade" because it performs flawlessly, now.
Did your tablet suffer any I'll effects with Nougat or was it a good update?
Did you factory reset after receiving it?

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Did your tablet suffer any I'll effects with Nougat or was it a good update?
Did you factory reset after receiving it?
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Mine is a Samsung SM-T713 and it came with Nougat. The only updates were the security patches which came every 3-4 months until they stopped. Never had any issues with Nougat or the updates. I don't know what difference there is in the Nook version.

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Mine is a Samsung SM-T713 and it came with Nougat. The only updates were the security patches which came every 3-4 months until they stopped. Never had any issues with Nougat or the updates. I don't know what difference there is in the Nook version.
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IDK either. My model number has UD at the end after a space. SM-T713 UD

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IDK either. My model number has UD at the end after a space. SM-T713 UD
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I think yours has an Exynos CPU vs my Snapdragon. And the Barnes & Noble software vs TouchWiz. All the other specs appear to be the same.

lmacmil said:
I think yours has an Exynos CPU vs my Snapdragon. And the Barnes & Noble software vs TouchWiz. All the other specs appear to be the same.
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It does have Barnes and Noble and Samsung applications that cannot be uninstalled and TouchWiz is the launcher. I couldn't find any hardware info in settings.
It seems like this one can be rooted in case the update is a bad one, but it's got a lot of Knox stuff. So that worries me.

https://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/galaxy-tab-s2/SM-T713/ Well, updates still are made, but maybe not for your country code. Phone Info app shows more information about your installed firmware which might be of use here

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It does have Barnes and Noble and Samsung applications that cannot be uninstalled and TouchWiz is the launcher. I couldn't find any hardware info in settings.
It seems like this one can be rooted in case the update is a bad one, but it's got a lot of Knox stuff. So that worries me.
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You need an app like CPU-Z or Droid Info or similar to get the chipset info. Although you can't uninstall the Samsung apps, you can disable many of them and then (I think) they disappear from the app drawer. I always use a 3rd party launcher.
I don't think you need to worry about an update going bad if you are stock. Once you root and/or install TWRP, you cannot take a Samsung update or that will screw things up. I'm not even sure it would try to install.

Android 13 is here

I went to the sammobile page every day like clockwork for all of November. Was doing the same for December and finally saw it.
It didn't pop up until TODAY, December 7th, 2022, despite being labeled November 29th, 2022.
But its here. Interest in this device seemed to evaporate with Android 11, so I have no idea if Android 12 or 13 can be rooted at all. Unless a clear answer to that, and if the old rooting technique will work, and if magisk can still be used or if some sort of alternative is necessary, guess I'll stick to 10.
But for the handful that still have the phone and don't root, Android 13 is finally here.

On this phone I would stay on 9 or 10. Android 13 is so far worse than 12 and many have rolled back to 11 from 12. CPU cycle sucking scoped storage is active from 11 up with more security garbage piled into 12, think 13 will be any better?
Or more of the same crap?
I'm not buying the Google hype, both Google and Samsung are on a 3 year losing streak of bad choices and products. Obviously you can upgrade at any time; let Mikey try it first

Can someone provide changelog please ?

any change ONE UI 5.1? Since S10 Lite already get it

PJng89 said:
any change ONE UI 5.1? Since S10 Lite already get it
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The last update was in March and its now June. Guess the March update was the last one ever for the Note 10 Lite. :/

RodimusConvoy said:
The last update was in March and its now June. Guess the March update was the last one ever for the Note 10 Lite. :/
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Yes, well... it might take some time if they do release updates for this old model. I would have left running on Pie.
Who's laughing now?

blackhawk said:
Yes, well... it might take some time if they do release updates for this old model. I would have left running on Pie.
Who's laughing now?
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I actually stayed on 10 with this phone, since I was unsure if I upgraded if the same root method would still work.
But I've been following the updates out of morbid curiosity + the longshot hope someone would be brave enough to try with a more current (11 and up) iteration of Android. Alas.

RodimusConvoy said:
I actually stayed on 10 with this phone, since I was unsure if I upgraded if the same root method would still work.
But I've been following the updates out of morbid curiosity + the longshot hope someone would be brave enough to try with a more current (11 and up) iteration of Android. Alas.
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I have two N10+'s one running on 9, the newer on 10. Very unlikely either will ever be upgraded.
The Pie one seems to run best and is easier to work with. Current load is 3 yo now, still fast and stable; no way I'm messing with that.
Personally I wouldn't upgrade past 10 as you will lose more than you gain. Both 9 and 10 are secure unless you do stupid things.
Less downtime means more playtime...

RodimusConvoy said:
The last update was in March and its now June. Guess the March update was the last one ever for the Note 10 Lite. :/
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some region started get jun patch, and not no more monthly update

PJng89 said:
some region started get jun patch, and not no more monthly update
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huh yeah I see that now. First time its skipped multiple months. Its dated June 18th.