Confused about restore / PLay Store vs. Samsung - Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers

When doing a factory reset, it asks about restoring apps, etc. I check yes.
Then it seems it's doing it again through Samsung when I login to Samsung during setup.
Are redundant restores happening? Should I should one and not the other?
Any thoughts?

Yes they are basically redundant. I do both to restore as much data as possible and save myself some effort setting everything back up.

I use both also, often feel I'm wasting time but who knows.
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its all about freshness.
so appart from apps, one thing samsung offers that goofle dosent is if u use stock launcher, homescreen layout and wallpaper and aod get restored. same goes for keyboard and related custom data associated to it if you use stock input.
wifi and bluetooth pairings would also be restored too, not to mention alarms also.

So in essence if one believes their next device is going to be another Samsung then perhaps best disable most if not all of the Google backup and restore options? If anything perhaps more added battery life perhaps.
bober10113 said:
its all about freshness.
so appart from apps, one thing samsung offers that goofle dosent is if u use stock launcher, homescreen layout and wallpaper and aod get restored. same goes for keyboard and related custom data associated to it if you use stock input.
wifi and bluetooth pairings would also be restored too, not to mention alarms also.
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Limeybastard said:
So in essence if one believes their next device is going to be another Samsung then perhaps best disable most if not all of the Google backup and restore options? If anything perhaps more added battery life perhaps.
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well knowing google, apps are tagged from the playstore as being installed.( app library vs installed).so backups arent done on/from your device. when restoring they check last device ID and match the associated installed app from your library.
anyways thats what i think. so all in all not sure if disabling it would help or not.
BUT again, its all about the freshness.
which service offers the very last apps you installed?
but one thing to rhink about is: samsung will restore google play and samsung store apps.
where as whit Google, i think would only restore playstore apps(since they just check playstore library associated to device ID).

I was also referring to other things Google also backup. Turning these off.
bober10113 said:
well knowing google, apps are tagged from the playstore as being installed.( app library vs installed).so backups arent done on/from your device. when restoring they check last device ID and match the associated installed app from your library.
anyways thats what i think. so all in all not sure if disabling it would help or not.
BUT again, its all about the freshness.
which service offers the very last apps you installed?
but one thing to rhink about is: samsung will restore google play and samsung store apps.
where as whit Google, i think would only restore playstore apps(since they just check playstore library associated to device ID).
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Limeybastard said:
I was also referring to other things Google also backup. Turning these off.
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oh ok yeah maybe it el help.

Limeybastard said:
I was also referring to other things Google also backup. Turning these off.
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so this just in, samsung backup dosent restore app data where as google does. so this means apps are restored but none of the custom data)settings) is actually restored (like rooted people do with titanium backup).
edit i should mention that i was on android pie doing a backup using smart switch. it asked me where i wanted it and i chose my ext sd card. unpon flashing a new rom and setting it up, i used again smart switch to to restore this time, so i chose the sd card logo at the the top right of the screen and it took a while. so not sure how this backup /restore method differs from the regular samsung cloud ...but it did not restore app data. since it was local i am a bit flabbergasted by these findings. would have expected data since google restores it from the network and does include it....i wont try the other regular method via Samsung cloud since the space allotted is limited to around 10 or 15 gig.in comparison my local backup with smart switch took over 25 gb(got 400+ apps) so thats why im not expecting any better viaa regular cloud sync... but we never know. maybe someone with a smaller volume of content can offer some results.
oh and on the flip side, samsung restores more apps than googles does. i suspect it dosnt check for the playstore app signature and just blindly backups all user apps.. just a darn shame about the data part...(not user settings data like passwords and for wifi and bluetooth pairing but acctual applicaion data)

just wanted to share my findings with you guys
google play back will restore all apps downloaded from the play store but it will not restore any app downloaded from other sources like galaxy apps or aptoide
samsung backup and restores all the apps that are installed on your devices regardless of where it came from
so usually i will let google restore my apps so that i will get the latest apps from the store then i will restore from samsung cloud to get the extra apps i installed from other sources plus my apps folders

BuHaneenHHHH said:
just wanted to share my findings with you guys
google play back will restore all apps downloaded from the play store but it will not restore any app downloaded from other sources like galaxy apps or aptoide
samsung backup and restores all the apps that are installed on your devices regardless of where it came from
so usually i will let google restore my apps so that i will get the latest apps from the store then i will restore from samsung cloud to get the extra apps i installed from other sources plus my apps folders
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wow this is news to me !

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[Q] Help. Android market wants me to rebuy applications i already bought on my phone

I already own an android phone and bought a bunch of applications. I just rooted and installed the market on my nook using the same email address that is on my phone. For some reason the market on my nook wont let me download my paid apps without buying them again. Does anyone know how to fix this?
I tried redoing it and I have the same problem. Does this happen to anyone else? Does everyone else have access to their paid apps without having to pay for them again?
I didn't have to rebuy my apps. But market has been updated since I installed them. Maybe a newer version of market changed something.
It really doesn't make any sense. Its definitely the same account. It has my credit card information filled out already. I even tried buying an app i bought previously, just to see if that would jog it. It didn't work. It charged me and i had to refund it. I really don't know what else to try.
Nope, all of mine show up as "Purchased". Every time this question comes up it's always usage of the same account, but you say that's already been checked..
Good luck.
Thanks. It has to be the same acount or else all of my redit card information wouldn't bebon there. All of my android market reciepts go to this accout also.
Try visiting this page https://market.android.com/account and see a list of your purchased apps.
Standalone web site should be more reliable, than an app, hacked in a stock firmware, which kinda doesn't support google apps.
dalkor said:
Try visiting this page https://market.android.com/account and see a list of your purchased apps.
Standalone web site should be more reliable, than an app, hacked in a stock firmware, which kinda doesn't support google apps.
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Now I'm more worried. The site you linked to doesn't have any record of my purchases either. My google checkout account under the same name, however, does have records of all of my purchases. Have any idea what i should do now?
did you paid the app with credit card or by carrier billing? Maybe it change something?
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did you paid the app with credit card or by carrier billing? Maybe it change something?
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I always pay with credit card.
Does google have some form of actual support other than the forum?
I have nookie froyo on her now. Same exact problem. This is bull**** and definitely on googles end. When are they going to get a customer support line? I've never seen another company that charges actually money like google does in the market without having a customer support line. I'm sure whatever is causing this will cause problems if I ever get another android phone in the future.
Having the same trouble here
What kind of android phone do you have? Is it using a custom rom? I'm thinking that the problem isn't with the nook at all. It's with our other devices not registering with the market properly.
It's as I suspected. I flashed my phone back to stock and I can't redownload any applications either. My whole market account got wiped somehow.
same issue here, totally different tablet BTW (samsung galaxy tab). Same thing - I wiped and flashed a ROM (ironically, same ROM!) and afterwards all my paid apps are being asked to repurchase when I hit install. Similarly in the web market it says I don't own any apps....
I am able ot restore my apps via titanium and hilariously all licence checks for programs that implement them e.g. titanium, worms etc. continue to work thank god but Goog better fix this sh-t real quick. I have >50 paid apps so this is really really bugging me out (plus now I'm afraid to do any more flashing/tweaking)
Do you have the backup, OP?
If so, just run it instead of redownload from Play
Sure you used the same google account?
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4.2, Multiuser and Titanium Backup - fix will be required.

I've been testing 4.2 multiuser support because I want to keep my work stuff separate from my other stuff. The idea is I can install all my games etc on my regular account, and keep the work related apps and files in the work account.
I set up the two accounts, which work fine. I then restored various apps to my regular account via Titanium Backup. However when I logged back to my work account, all those apps were available.
This shouldn't be the expected behaviour, as I installed firefox from the play store on my regular account, and it wasn't available on the work account. The good thing however is that when I then installed firefox from the play store on the work account it didn't download anything, it just made it available.
Hopefully Titanium Backup can be updated to work around this. The issue is that the file system is structured differently for 4.2, and the apps are being restored to the 'old' locations.
Otherwise our pre-4.2 backups may have to be trashed.
What if you restore then add an user?
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[Q] Google Play Music; Flashing ROMS; Too many authorized devices!

I have a big problem I am hoping some other fellow flashing know how to deal with. I recently had to contact Google support because I had too many authorized devices in my Google Play Music. They did a 1 time courtesy removal of all devices. Not something I want to have to do again and being a 1 time courtesy I don't know that they will do it again....
As many of you may know you can only authorize 10 devices per account and only DE-authorize 4 per year...WTF?
The problem I have is I only actually have 3 devices but everytime I flash a ROM Google Play Music marks it as a new device. So my account had my Mac, 7 OnePlus Ones and 2 Oneplus3T's authorized.
I'm trying to figure out a way to avoid this problem again. After having them remove all devices just a few weeks ago I already have 4 new authorized devices. Not cool.
For a while I was using Titanium backup to restore app/data of JUST the Play Music app. I absolutely hate restoring system data so this is not ideal and depending on the ROM the restore often fails . So I created an update.zip that I can flash in recovery but then it often boots with Play Music still not installed.
How do you guys deal with this problem? It has become very aggravating and I pay $15.92 a month for our Google Play Music family subscription and I would really like to retain the ability to actually use it.
Any ideas?
GrandMasterB said:
I have a big problem I am hoping some other fellow flashing know how to deal with. I recently had to contact Google support because I had too many authorized devices in my Google Play Music. They did a 1 time courtesy removal of all devices. Not something I want to have to do again and being a 1 time courtesy I don't know that they will do it again....
As many of you may know you can only authorize 10 devices per account and only DE-authorize 4 per year...WTF?
The problem I have is I only actually have 3 devices but everytime I flash a ROM Google Play Music marks it as a new device. So my account had my Mac, 7 OnePlus Ones and 2 Oneplus3T's authorized.
I'm trying to figure out a way to avoid this problem again. After having them remove all devices just a few weeks ago I already have 4 new authorized devices. Not cool.
For a while I was using Titanium backup to restore app/data of JUST the Play Music app. I absolutely hate restoring system data so this is not ideal and depending on the ROM the restore often fails . So I created an update.zip that I can flash in recovery but then it often boots with Play Music still not installed.
How do you guys deal with this problem? It has become very aggravating and I pay $15.92 a month for our Google Play Music family subscription and I would really like to retain the ability to actually use it.
Any ideas?
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You go into Google play music and go to settings scroll down and click on manage devices. It will only manage your linked email.
cameljockey1 said:
You go into Google play music and go to settings scroll down and click on manage devices. It will only manage your linked email.
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Thank you for the reply.... but you lost me. I know how to deauthorize devices. The problem is Googles hard limit on only being able to deauthorize 4 per year.
I'm looking for a way to stop Google Play Music from thinking its a new device every time I flash a new ROM.
GrandMasterB said:
Thank you for the reply.... but you lost me. I know how to deauthorize devices. The problem is Googles hard limit on only being able to deauthorize 4 per year.
I'm looking for a way to stop Google Play Music from thinking its a new device every time I flash a new ROM.
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Well every time I flash a ROM I never restore the data of the music app. I haven't had your issue before. I just deauthorize when I get a new phone. Never had to do it for each ROM.
Restoring the app used to.solve this issue for me. But lately it always gets recognised as a new device
Anyone found a solution?
Like restoring device ID etc?
candiesdoodle said:
Restoring the app used to.solve this issue for me. But lately it always gets recognised as a new device
Anyone found a solution?
Like restoring device ID etc?
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As of Oreo, you can no longer change or restore the Android ID. See https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2017/04/changes-to-device-identifiers-in.html
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BillGoss said:
As of Oreo, you can no longer change or restore the Android ID. See https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2017/04/changes-to-device-identifiers-in.html
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Wow this is helpful
So Android ID is different for each app. So how does play music app keep track of the device? Because even though the serial number is same, it still gets recognised as a new device? I tried keeping ro.buid.fingerprint same as well.
Could it be the GSF id?

S Notes or Samsung Notes on Note 8

I stumbled into a potential privacy problem involving how Samsung Cloud does not allow the deletion of data previously synced with other Samsung devices with the apps S Notes and Samsung Notes.
I had a galaxy S4 in 2014 with which I created a bunch of notes which were synced into the Samsung account data cloud. I now bought a Note 8 and started reusing the apps S Notes and Samsung Notes. Upon first use of both apps I noticed in the settings that there was the possibility to import data from Samsung cloud, and so I did. I found 14 notes sitting there since 2014. Imported them, deleted them and re synced the data to cloud. Reopened the app to check if they were gone, but they were still there and available for import. Btw the notes are image file not text editable. Anyone with the same problem with suggestions on how to get rid of them for good ? I tried any solution possible with the apps, cloud storage management and backup and restore routines but nothing worked. Samsung support couldn't suggest a working solution either. This is a blatant breach of privacy and if not solvable it should be signaled all over. Thanks in advance
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I stumbled into a potential privacy problem involving how Samsung Cloud does not allow the deletion of data previously synced with other Samsung devices with the apps S Notes and Samsung Notes.
I had a galaxy S4 in 2014 with which I created a bunch of notes which were synced into the Samsung account data cloud. I now bought a Note 8 and started reusing the apps S Notes and Samsung Notes. Upon first use of both apps I noticed in the settings that there was the possibility to import data from Samsung cloud, and so I did. I found 14 notes sitting there since 2014. Imported them, deleted them and re synced the data to cloud. Reopened the app to check if they were gone, but they were still there and available for import. Btw the notes are image file not text editable. Anyone with the same problem with suggestions on how to get rid of them for good ? I tried any solution possible with the apps, cloud storage management and backup and restore routines but nothing worked. Samsung support couldn't suggest a working solution either. This is a blatant breach of privacy and if not solvable it should be signaled all over. Thanks in advance
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Hey there, tava tou tried deleting tua data thru their website?
I've never actually had such an issue... I was and am capable of deleting data created from my note 8 (tablet) on this mobile and also from the note 3... but then again I still own the devices and use them fairly regularly still...
Edit: disregard the above... it's as if it just flags them as deleted and won't auto sync... after forcing a manual sync the notes I thought I could delete are now back... this is indeed a great privacy flaw... let's hope we find a solution, I'm gonna dig Samsung's account website once I get home... hope there's a way to delete them there...
Thx for the heads up OP!!
|mickey said:
Hey there, tava tou tried deleting tua data thru their website?
I've never actually had such an issue... I was and am capable of deleting data created from my note 8 (tablet) on this mobile and also from the note 3... but then again I still own the devices and use them fairly regularly still...
Edit: disregard the above... it's as if it just flags them as deleted and won't auto sync... after forcing a manual sync the notes I thought I could delete are now back... this is indeed a great privacy flaw... let's hope we find a solution, I'm gonna dig Samsung's account website once I get home... hope there's a way to delete them there...
Thx for the heads up OP!!
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Thank you for trying. I'll keep digging myself and post updates if any, but for now it seems an impossible task, and Samsung support is no help with their proposed solutions. I've posted again the question with more details and we'll see what their answer is.
Update : no good news. The same exact thing happens with the S Note app for Windows (downloaded from the Microsoft store)
No way to erase the old notes from the cloud. Imported them again, edited them to erase the note, saved blanc, renamed the note as "delete" and synced with the Samsung account cloud. No changes whatsoever. They were there again available for import exactly as before the above work !
I would suggest people to look into the behaviour of the Samsung Cloud and if they are able to delete data at will be it notes or pics or videos. I think the problem is not only with notes but that was all I used to sync on their cloud. I disabled all sync and backup options to the Samsung cloud for safety.
I've managed to delete my notes from Samsung cloud [emoji848] even after re-syncing or importing my data from Samsung cloud it's gone.
Are you sure you deleted your notes from the recycle bin?
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Yes I did but just to make sure I'll give it another try and see what happens.and update the thread. Thanks
del1701 said:
I've managed to delete my notes from Samsung cloud [emoji848] even after re-syncing or importing my data from Samsung cloud it's gone.
Are you sure you deleted your notes from the recycle bin?
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I opened the app on my note 8, went to the trash can and found the ones edited before using the windows app and that I had renamed to make sure not to mix them up with the original ones. Obviously they hadn't been synced with the cloud. I deleted them from trash and synced again.
Then I went to settings-import data from cloud and the old notes were still there unchanged. Titles and content unchanged, so I imported them again, deleted them and they didn't even show in the trash can of the app. Did another sync but nothing changed.
They're still there available for import
More weird behavior. I imported 1 of the old notes stored on the cloud. Edited content and renamed it. Deleted it and in the trash can it appeared with the old title. The rest behaved as before. Emptied trash and synced but no change
Btw... the whole thing seems to work fine with notes created with the device you try to delete them with. My problem is that these notes are years old and I don't have the device anymore
fpavoncelli said:
More weird behavior. I imported 1 of the old notes stored on the cloud. Edited content and renamed it. Deleted it and in the trash can it appeared with the old title. The rest behaved as before. Emptied trash and synced but no change
Btw... the whole thing seems to work fine with notes created with the device you try to delete them with. My problem is that these notes are years old and I don't have the device anymore
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Please blur or scribble over this for safety as when I zoomed in I can easily read everything , WiFi passwords, cafe password , tyre sizes etc or delete the screenshot. Don't want it to get in the wrong hands
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fpavoncelli said:
More weird behavior. I imported 1 of the old notes stored on the cloud. Edited content and renamed it. Deleted it and in the trash can it appeared with the old title. The rest behaved as before. Emptied trash and synced but no change
Btw... the whole thing seems to work fine with notes created with the device you try to delete them with. My problem is that these notes are years old and I don't have the device anymore
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Also a possible solution would be to delete your cloud account or s note account either manually if possible or get Samsung to do it and just make a other one using the same or different email address. Surely deleting your account would delete all data on that account in the process
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Thanks for the tip. I'll take them down even if it is old and surpassed data and that's why I want them deleted from the Cloud. Changing account doesn't solve the problem as the data would remain on their servers. I'm waiting for a response from samsung support hoping they finaly understood the problem and don't give me another useless solution or answer as they often do
fpavoncelli said:
Thanks for the tip. I'll take them down even if it is old and surpassed data and that's why I want them deleted from the Cloud. Changing account doesn't solve the problem as the data would remain on their servers. I'm waiting for a response from samsung support hoping they finaly understood the problem and don't give me another useless solution or answer as they often do
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Deleting you're account would solve the problem as I already stated. Delete not change
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jacksskinz said:
Deleting you're account would solve the problem as I already stated. Delete not change
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You meen from the smartphone settings delete the samsung account ? But then I would have to create a new one and if I use the same credentials it's all back as before, isn't it ? And how can I be sure that the data is removed from the cloud ?
fpavoncelli said:
You meen from the smartphone settings delete the samsung account ? But then I would have to create a new one and if I use the same credentials it's all back as before, isn't it ? And how can I be sure that the data is removed from the cloud ?
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Honestly I would give it a go, realistically if you delete the account surely it deletes all data with it so I'm sure you could make a new account with same credentials and won't have the data back. Can always ask Samsung if you delete the account do they delete cloud data also, usually they do
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Deleting you're account would solve the problem as I already stated. Delete not change
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You meen from the smartphone settings delete the samsung account ? But then I would have to create a new one and if I use the same credentials it's all back as before, isn't it ? And how can I be sure that the data is removed from the cloud ?
jacksskinz said:
Honestly I would give it a go, realistically if you delete the account surely it deletes all data with it so I'm sure you could make a new account with same credentials and won't have the data back. Can always ask Samsung if you delete the account do they delete cloud data also, usually they do
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I did on the smartphone and now looking how to do it on their website as, off course it's still present and I don't think that just doing it from the smartphone would work otherwise I should have lost all my data already when passing from one phone to the other and resetting to factory standards before selling the old one. I never pass data with their apps and always configure new phones from scratch. I need to delete the account from their website to hope that they delete data from the cloud. Plus without a Samsung account on the phone I can't update the basic apps of the phone
jacksskinz said:
Honestly I would give it a go, realistically if you delete the account surely it deletes all data with it so I'm sure you could make a new account with same credentials and won't have the data back. Can always ask Samsung if you delete the account do they delete cloud data also, usually they do
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Done. Thank you ! It took me 4 days of various tries of dumb solutions proposed by Samsung Support.
Thank you again
fpavoncelli said:
Done. Thank you ! It took me 4 days of various tries of dumb solutions proposed by Samsung Support.
Thank you again
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No worries glad I could help you! Silly Samsung aha
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Samsung apparently flags sync data with a unique device identifier. To delete sync’d content from Samsung’s servers, you must have access to the device where the content in question was created. If that device has been sold, lost, stolen, or broken, then it's not possible to delete that data. Have you had a reply from Samsung yet?

Question New phone not auto-installing all my apps from the Google Play Store

I am used to having my phone auto-install all the apps that I am using whenever I add my account on a new device. Of course it has to be the same account, but it has worked seamlessly for more than 10 years.
Today I got a shiny new S21 Ultra and added my Google account and unfortunately it is not auto-installing my apps.
Is there a button somewhere I can use to prompt it to start doing this or am I going to have to manually add each and every app back one by one from the play store?
Thank you!
It's Samsung trying to forces us to use there apps and ecosystem.
sillycat said:
I am used to having my phone auto-install all the apps that I am using whenever I add my account on a new device. Of course it has to be the same account, but it has worked seamlessly for more than 10 years.
Today I got a shiny new S21 Ultra and added my Google account and unfortunately it is not auto-installing my apps.
Is there a button somewhere I can use to prompt it to start doing this or am I going to have to manually add each and every app back one by one from the play store?
Thank you!
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If you made a backup of your last phone and included apps, you could restore it... If not, one by one...
I think I know what is different.
In the past, I used to remove my account from my old phone before I added it to my new phone.
This time since I keep the old phone, my account is still on it. I think Google is trying to be clever and not automatically transfering all my apps because the old device is still active.
You have to restore a device (device a to device b) for the restore to install the current apps. Nothing to do with signing into the phone, only does it on a restore of a backup. I have hundreds of "installed apps" across devices from current to destroyed. Thankfully google play store does not try to reinstall them, that would be a nightmare deleting them all.

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