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Title says it. Contemplating purchasing this phone because I want a sick Android device but its plagued with bad 3g reception stories. Is it that big of a deal? Does anyone regret buying the device over it? Is it a design flaw as i have read or software?
mrbox23 said:
... Is it that big of a deal?
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No
mrbox23 said:
Does anyone regret buying the device over it?
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I don't
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Is it a design flaw as i have read or software?
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It is neither. It is the wireless networks you guys have here in the US that sucks... (At least in El Paso, TX)
I'm tired of people blaming the wireless network, because that's just plain wrong in most cases.
I am a big N1 fan but I will be the first to admit that there's a 3G problem. But here is what I've observed:
- The problem is less evident on the AT&T model, as 3G runs on the same frequencies as 2G, and in general AT&T uses 850/1900, which are lower frequencies (better penetration) than T-Mobile.
- If you're in a very strong 3G area (like on the streets of NYC), you aren't likely to have any problems no matter how you hold the device.
- If you're in somewhat of a sketchy 3G area, and use the T-Mobile version of the phone, it's very possible you're going to drop to edge, if you cover the bottom portion of the phone with your hand. If you have the AT&T version in a sketchy area (low signal overall), it's possible you'll kill your signal entirely if you hold the phone a certain way...but I would say this is very rare.
There's probably a combination of a software and hardware issue causing the 3G issue. With future updates to the radio firmware, I'm sure there will be some improvements, but I don't know if it's going to be as good as some of the other phones available (especially in the case of T-Mobile, where the G1 tends to be fair a lot better 3G wise).
Having said all this - do I regret purchasing an N1? Definitely not - everything else about the phone makes up for the 3G issues, and I still have hope for future improvements.
Reception isn't "deal breaker" bad, and you'll notice there are much less complaints from AT&T users about it. If you are normally in areas with good coverage everything will will be great, but fringe areas might be frustrating. Weak signals are the phones kryptonite.
My question to anyone on the fence is usually, "name a better GSM phone" and then when they say "iPhone" I call them a fanboi. There's nothing worse than being an Apple fanboi.
its not a deal breaker at all. I still hold by my theory that the signal bars are just calibrated less conservatively than other phones, cause I've made and held calls for 15 min with zero bars of 3g showing. even my nokias had trouble doing that.
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PrawnPoBoy said:
Reception isn't "deal breaker" bad, and you'll notice there are much less complaints from AT&T users about it. If you are normally in areas with good coverage everything will will be great, but fringe areas might be frustrating. Weak signals are the phones kryptonite.
My question to anyone on the fence is usually, "name a better GSM phone" and then when they say "iPhone" I call them a fanboi. There's nothing worse than being an Apple fanboi.
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Just cause they say the iPhone, doesn't make them an Apple fanboy.. people can have legitimate reason why they like the iPhone more than the Nexus...
There could be something to the theory that the phone just reports reception more conservatively. But then again I can easily drop a call in a low signal area by moving my hand around. This is the first phone I've had that does that.
Just cause they say the iPhone, doesn't make them an Apple fanboy.. people can have legitimate reason why they like the iPhone more than the Nexus...
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Spoken like a true fanboi.
PS: I was actually joking. I have a jailbroken iPhone as well and its also awesome.
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There could be something to the theory that the phone just reports reception more conservatively. But then again I can easily drop a call in a low signal area by moving my hand around. This is the first phone I've had that does that.
Spoken like a true fanboi.
PS: I was actually joking. I have a jailbroken iPhone as well and its also awesome.
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see i have always had the same problem with my other phones in low signal areas, they would ALWAYS drop the call if i moved my hand over it. but they all had antenna in the bottom, like the nexus. i think if your previous phone had the antenna in the top, then you never would have experienced this before.
my nokia n95 was the last phone i had with a top antenna, it was internal at the top near the camera, and that thing was superb with RF.
but then i got the e71 and the bottom antenna dropped calls when i covered it. no service, all the time. i trained myself to hold at the top ever since.
so the nexus doesnt seem abnormal to me. i just thought it was common knowledge though...
PrawnPoBoy said:
There could be something to the theory that the phone just reports reception more conservatively. But then again I can easily drop a call in a low signal area by moving my hand around. This is the first phone I've had that does that.
Spoken like a true fanboi.
PS: I was actually joking. I have a jailbroken iPhone as well and its also awesome.
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I also hope you were joking about the fanboi thing, as the nearest I've come to owning and iPhone was using family members ones for a few hours. My previous phone was a G1, and your misconceptions of me (if your words were not taken out if context) for stating something that is quite true is quite sad.
As stated before, people can have legitimate reasons as to why they favor the iPhone more than the Nexus. If I was sucked in to the iPhone when it was released, I would probably also be an iSheep - luckily I was only 12 at the iPhone's release. Phone technology wasn't really all that interesting yet.. I didn't care about touch screens etc. Now though, I still don't care about the phone much - but it was definitely brought unneeded hate in the internet towards those who adore it.
I love my Nexus One. No 3G issues on ATT, this actually has much better reception than my HTC Tilt2 with the best custom radio rom for my area. Flashing the radio of your Nexus will help a ton if you experience any of these issues so if you plan on flashing your phone don't worry about it. I love my Nexus and I spend much less time screwing with how the phone works and a lot more time using it.
about nexous one
I have never had any 3g problems ever and i bought this phone right when it came out
i love it get it you will to
This is really simple.
1. Buy the phone. If you have bad reception,
2. Flash to the newest radio. If you still have bad reception,
3. Return the phone.
You most likely won't get to step 3.
The phone legitimately does not get great reception.
I lined up, side by side, my BB Bold 9000, my Motorola Milestone, and me Nexus One, all just sitting on the desk, all with Orange (France) 3G SIMs.
The Bold and the Milestone get about the same signal. The Nexus gets consistently -4 to -10 dBm worse signal in any given placement. Wrapping your hand loosely around the phone will cut the signal by from -6 to -10 dBm on the Nexus, and by around -2 to -6 on the other two.
HOWEVER, the statistics don't really matter - I still get good enough signal at my desk on all three of them to download applications, use GTalk/SMS/telephone/browser all day, etc. Yes, a speed test shows generally better speeds on the Milestone, but it is more than good enough on both Android phones.
AND the Nexus is much faster in day-to-day operation. It scrolls faster, loads faster, runs faster, etc. It is almost sure to get updates from Google faster, and the dev community really does rock.
If I was in the US, I would have to consider some of the other phones out there, simply because the other networks are better than GSM networks, but here in France, the Nexus is fine and dandy.
If I were you, I would consider the network as well as the product, because it makes such a huge difference in the US. But once past that point, if you decide Nexus: buy it, test it, if you don't like it, sell it or return it. Easy.
I carried around my iPhone 3G with me the last few days and any time I had bad or no reception with my N1 I would swap the sim card and try the iPhone and without fail the iPhone would alway have more than enough signal strength.
The phone's reception is simply not as good as other phones, but it not enough for me to want to return it. I just hope that HTC learns from this like they did with the recent change to the atmel touchscreen instead of the clearpad component. I'm sure they will.
I've never had a problem with dropping 3G signal exactly, just the occasional instance where it'll get stuck on "uploading." Not sure if that's a T-Mobile issue or a phone issue. Either way, it happens only rarely and lasts no more than 10 seconds or so each time, so not a dealbreaker.
Other than that, the phone is fantastic. Incredibly fast and customizable. People complain that Android isn't user-friendly, but I honestly find everything quite intuitive (with the exception of a few badly designed 3rd-party apps).
I get the same (even better in a few places) 3G reception on my Nexus then I did with my iPhone 3GS
The OP needs to take note of all the people complaining about reception issues have also NOT mentioned whether or not they have updated the radio.
Everybody sitting with the stock radio from the models released in January/early-February are going to have a lot more complaints than someone who has either updated their radio or bought a newer model that has the updated radio preinstalled.
i still say its just a conservatively calibrated signal meter! seems to match my other phones just fine even if the actual bars are showing zero bars, its still making the call and receiving the data. me thinks its just a software calibration difference...
gsvnet said:
I'm tired of people blaming the wireless network, because that's just plain wrong in most cases.
I am a big N1 fan but I will be the first to admit that there's a 3G problem. But here is what I've observed:
- The problem is less evident on the AT&T model, as 3G runs on the same frequencies as 2G, and in general AT&T uses 850/1900, which are lower frequencies (better penetration) than T-Mobile.
- If you're in a very strong 3G area (like on the streets of NYC), you aren't likely to have any problems no matter how you hold the device.
- If you're in somewhat of a sketchy 3G area, and use the T-Mobile version of the phone, it's very possible you're going to drop to edge, if you cover the bottom portion of the phone with your hand. If you have the AT&T version in a sketchy area (low signal overall), it's possible you'll kill your signal entirely if you hold the phone a certain way...but I would say this is very rare.
There's probably a combination of a software and hardware issue causing the 3G issue. With future updates to the radio firmware, I'm sure there will be some improvements, but I don't know if it's going to be as good as some of the other phones available (especially in the case of T-Mobile, where the G1 tends to be fair a lot better 3G wise).
Having said all this - do I regret purchasing an N1? Definitely not - everything else about the phone makes up for the 3G issues, and I still have hope for future improvements.
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Bro, you're entire post actually supports the claim that the carriers need to build out their networks more in this country! Obviously if the phone works great in an area like NYC or Chicago, but not so great in "sketchy" places like where I live (Toledo, OH), then IT'S THE NETWORK!
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I carried around my iPhone 3G with me the last few days and any time I had bad or no reception with my N1 I would swap the sim card and try the iPhone and without fail the iPhone would alway have more than enough signal strength.
The phone's reception is simply not as good as other phones, but it not enough for me to want to return it. I just hope that HTC learns from this like they did with the recent change to the atmel touchscreen instead of the clearpad component. I'm sure they will.
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Well, I have had the exact opposite experience. I always have a better signal with my N1 than my wife does with her iphone in the same places.
My wife and I used to have identical Nokia handsets, and her signal was always significantly better than mine. Minute manufacturing variations in low power RF devices can make huge differences, and such manufacturing variations are a normal part of any manufacturing process, including cell phones.
Comparing one phone to another and declaring a problem exists with an entire line of phones is just silly.
Basically, there is no real evidence of a unilateral "Nexus One" 3G problem, even if some handsets have less than expected performance.
So if you want a Nexus One, get it, and chances are that if you are happy with your network, you will be happy with your Nexus One.
Guys. i want to buy xiaomi mi3 but im confused as many ppl who have bought it say that its build quality is not upto the mark also flipkart isnt supporting after sales for the device...and many also state that its the best phone ever...
please anyone can guide me through?
Hi, I have xiaomi mi3, what i could say is that it is quite up to my expectation.
Solid build with fast hardware, you will most likely need not to look for service center for repairs unless you have misused the device(ex. drop).
My wish for this device would be an AMOLED screen! so I could enjoy much more battery life and notification on standby.
Any other person review please...
There are already plenty of reviews around. A simple search and you will find them
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Listen to me now, menu people hate this phone because they bought Samsung and HTC... And they pay a lot of money for their phones so they are jelaus because they can't admit to themself that they made bad decision, on the other hand xiaomi with their massive sales made a lot of small businesses owners who sell phones angry because they are loosing a lot of customers so they are trolling on the internet how bad this phones are. Now let me tell you about mi3 I have one and is absolutely perfect, build quality is superb feels quite sturdy and strong, working experience is blazing fast. On benchmark its faster than Samsung s5 , what moore to say this phone is best just damn buy it every single thing is at the best quality, otherwise I wouldn't buy it, cheers from Europe.
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Listen to me now, menu people hate this phone because they bought Samsung and HTC... And they pay a lot of money for their phones so they are jelaus because they can't admit to themself that they made bad decision, on the other hand xiaomi with their massive sales made a lot of small businesses owners who sell phones angry because they are loosing a lot of customers so they are trolling on the internet how bad this phones are. Now let me tell you about mi3 I have one and is absolutely perfect, build quality is superb feels quite sturdy and strong, working experience is blazing fast. On benchmark its faster than Samsung s5 , what moore to say this phone is best just damn buy it every single thing is at the best quality, otherwise I wouldn't buy it, cheers from Europe.
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Boy are you way wrong. Most people don't buy the device because 1. It's not available world wide other the. A china based site. 2. People don't like MIUI. Most would just buy an iPhone if they wanted that type of closed sourced OS. 3. Developers don't buy it due to lack of Kernel source code.
Benchmarks mean nothing to anyone that knows cell phone tech
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Boy are you way wrong. Most people don't buy the device because 1. It's not available world wide other the. A china based site. 2. People don't like MIUI. Most would just buy an iPhone if they wanted that type of closed sourced OS. 3. Developers don't buy it due to lack of Kernel source code.
Benchmarks mean nothing to anyone that knows cell phone tech
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Well, not really true is it? 99% of people don't care a bit wether the OS is closed source or not. Plenty devs use Windows/OSX/iOS although it lacks kernel source code and is closed source.
Biggest problem is your first point: They don't sell this phone on every corner near you. There are however plenty trustworthy webshops around, I got my MI3 from Ibuygou.com and it was delivered in 5 working days, thats just as good as a local webshop.
Concerning the phone: I think it's a bit oversized compared to it's competitors, the bezels are quite large. This hasn't been a problem for me however and is compensated by the slim design. Another problem is the lack of 4g/LTE. Other than that it's just a great device, especially when you take the price into account.
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Well, not really true is it? 99% of people don't care a bit wether the OS is closed source or not. Plenty devs use Windows/OSX/iOS although it lacks kernel source code and is closed source.
Biggest problem is your first point: They don't sell this phone on every corner near you. There are however plenty trustworthy webshops around, I got my MI3 from Ibuygou.com and it was delivered in 5 working days, thats just as good as a local webshop.
Concerning the phone: I think it's a bit oversized compared to it's competitors, the bezels are quite large. This hasn't been a problem for me however and is compensated by the slim design. Another problem is the lack of 4g/LTE. Other than that it's just a great device, especially when you take the price into account.
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As it is posted here. Most do care about the kernel source as without it you can't get a working aosp build. And most Android devs use Linux to develop.
Your right you can't buy it and unless they redo the look of it they never will sell it outside of China.
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Boy are you way wrong. Most people don't buy the device because 1. It's not available world wide other the. A china based site. 2. People don't like MIUI. Most would just buy an iPhone if they wanted that type of closed sourced OS. 3. Developers don't buy it due to lack of Kernel source code.
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1. Its available outside china. Officially
2. Have you even checked the MIUI stats. Its one of the most widely used custom ROM.
3. even after being closed source it has lots of stuff to customize and mods to flash compared to iOS. There are even custom ROM out for it.
REVIEW for OP
I was scared if the same stuff like you. Me n my sis bought it for my dad. But when the device arrived and i opened the box. I was surprised to see such an awesome device for so low cost. Felt like for once i was not being looted by big companies like samsung htc. I have owned plenty of smartphones. I buy nokia and samsung stuff, always the flagship devices but i know that they are overpriced. This one is not.
I can hardly think of any cons for this device.
16gb storage is a negative point depending on your usage. If you are an average user then even that shouldn't bother you.
Performance is superb
Camera is awesome. I have taken hundred's of pics to test it. Some people will say that low light photography is not that good. Show me one camera phone that takes awesome pics in low light and i will gift you that awesome phone. Maybe they are good or ok but nothing when compared to pics under normal daylight or lighting conditions. Have tested iphone5S, iphone 4, s3, s4 etc and plenty other phones. Low light pics in reviews are under certain amount of low light and taken at a particular angle and depends on light source and plenty other factors. And even the distance from the objects. I pretty sure that you will never take such low light pics. In practical every smartphone camera fails(relatively) in low light.
One again this phone has awesome camera you won't regret it.
Gps locks pretty fast.
Battery backup is unbelievable. I still check the battery left in my dad's phone when he come home and i still can't believe that how can it give such an awesome backup. My dad makes ton's of calls and is always using his phone is free time experimenting as this is his first smartphone. Sometimes he switches on bluetooth, gps, wifi etc on and it stays on the whole day until i notice it when he comes back home. And its been a month and till now it has never ran out of battery in a single day. Can easily last full day even if you use it heavily.
Screen is not. Amoled but its still awesome
Phone feels premium.
I showed it to some of my friends and asked them to guess the price. Everyone guessed over 30-35k and wanted the phone. But if you tell them its Chinese first then they are like it ok..not that good.... Its all in the mind. Not every Chinese stuff is bad. My sis and mom were even sure that it's metallic. Lol
Very light and thin phone. U suggest you buy cover for it to add some weight and thickness. Otherwise to me all these slim phones feels like they will slip off my hands and break.
It has fallen few times now from bed...table... From my dad's hand and no damage so far. So build quality is also good. Although i would advice you not to test it yourself. Because sometimes phone might not break from 10m height but it will break from 1m. Its all just luck (or you can call it angle of impact, place of impact, density of the material that it had impact with, temperature of the phone/surrounding at the moment etc. Which in short i call luck)
So don't test your luck until and unless you can afford a bad luck.
It is from their site and most of the countries it sells in are not really known for enforcing gpl or copyright laws.
Now I know it seems like I hate the company or have a personal issue with them. Quit the opposite really. I want them to become a contender in the mobile world, but they have to do it right or they will be another fly by night OEM.
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It is from their site and most of the countries it sells in are not really known for enforcing gpl or copyright laws.
Now I know it seems like I hate the company or have a personal issue with them. Quit the opposite really. I want them to become a contender in the mobile world, but they have to do it right or they will be another fly by night OEM.
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will they ever release kernel source..as they have for mi2 as far as i knw maybe wrong..
Hugo Barra has promised a late 2014 kernel source release.
As for the phone, its awesome, but don't expect wonders from the camera, as it does struggle with low light, its much worse than a galaxy s3, believe me, I tested it.
Also consider the difficulty to get warranty if you need it. Many legit stores but a lot of ifs in warranty declarations from them, beware.
For the price, I took the risk, didn't regret it yet
Lack of ROM alternatives has bugged me for a while but now that is changing, and I really learned to appreciate miui and their fast update cycles..
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I DONT WANNA TALK ABOUT THE GOOD POINTS cos I all of them can be found everywhere about how good the Mi3 is. So heres the bad points:
1. (Pretty obvious) No kernel source. And just like what the guy here said "No AOSP ROMS"
2. Appearance. Gotta tell you this, the phone is really extremely nice to hold the phone potrait due to its curved sides. But when in landscape mode, especially when gaming, the edges of the Mi3 simply digs into your palm and it really hurts my hand. Other than that its pretty okay, well build. A replacement case can solve this.
3. Storage. Xiaomi Mi3 actually comes in 16GB and 64GB. Sadly, Mi3s with S800 comes with 16GB and the Tegra 4 version comes with 64GB and thats sold in China with China networks.
4. MIUI. Its okay at first. After while, you feel like having Stock Android launcher, Trebuchet. That too can be solved with a 3rd party launcher so its minor. But MIUI is heavily skinned and it effect the RAM usage of the device. With CPU-Z, the device has 1.8GB of RAM. But with MIUI here, it cant get more than 1GB of RAM even with the RAM Cleaner button. Its always left with about 700-800MB of RAM available.
5. The speakers. It sounds very funny. Idk how to describe it. Maybe im wrong though. But the speaker is not big enough and loud for my use. If you're using the Mi3 now. Try playing some music and look at the bottom of the phone. Use your thumb and cover the speaker grill furthest from the MicroUSB slot hole. Yea, the sound got blocked and the remaining holes aren't playing any sound. Abit of lies there.
I guess thats all I have to say though cheers
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Plenty devs use Windows/OSX/iOS although it lacks kernel source code and is closed source.
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I agree with the rest of your post, but just wanted to chime in. OSX does have publicly available kernel source.
You should give a try. If you want bully quality test MI4.. I am very proud with MI2s with Mokee 444.
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Hi All,
After learning that Oneplus were making the decision to announce and then launcher the (ok it's a nice phone) Oneplus 5T after just 5 months? I've never heard of that happen to a flagship which wasn't a complete failure and had as much going for it as the 5 does?
The Oneplus has pretty much disappeared from all locations where it was available, which means there can't be that many new devices out in the wild anymore if any at all, do you think if kept in decent condition that it could be something of a collectors item in the months / years to come? Maybe going a bit far with the collectors item thing but you know what i mean, like a niche piece of kit that you can't get hold of no more.
Just a thought, because unless people had the money or an upgrade in that time frame, it just wasn't going to be available and now it's gone?
Compared to the 3 and 3T the 5 and 5T are in a unique situation it's a slightly different form factor the finger print is on the front and it retains the capacitive non on screen buttons batterly life is every so slightly better than the 5T.
Everything else is the same so true I can definitely see a few anti 2:1 bezeless phone users prefer the one plus 5 form factor. Although i probably wouldn't go as far as to call it a collector's item. The main blemish on the OnePlus 5 is the jelly phone screen thing aside from that i can see a manufacturer offer both models and both selling reasonably well. With jelly phone screen i think it might skew to the newer phone, it doesn't bother me personally but I know there are people that see the affect all the time and that could get irritating. I on the other hand either don't see it or just got used to it.
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Hi All,
After learning that Oneplus were making the decision to announce and then launcher the (ok it's a nice phone) Oneplus 5T after just 5 months? I've never heard of that happen to a flagship which wasn't a complete failure and had as much going for it as the 5 does?
The Oneplus has pretty much disappeared from all locations where it was available, which means there can't be that many new devices out in the wild anymore if any at all, do you think if kept in decent condition that it could be something of a collectors item in the months / years to come? Maybe going a bit far with the collectors item thing but you know what i mean, like a niche piece of kit that you can't get hold of no more.
Just a thought, because unless people had the money or an upgrade in that time frame, it just wasn't going to be available and now it's gone?
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Cellphones dont work like that. Even the legendary device of the HD2 only goes down in price.Phones are not something to collect as unlike others things they are already outdated by the time we get our hands on them.
zelendel said:
Cellphones dont work like that. Even the legendary device of the HD2 only goes down in price.Phones are not something to collect as unlike others things they are already outdated by the time we get our hands on them.
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yea I know what you mean but have you ever heard of a phone off this caliber only bring readily available for 5 months?
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yea I know what you mean but have you ever heard of a phone off this caliber only bring readily available for 5 months?
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They did the same thing with the 3 and the 3t. If any were gonna be collectable it will be the stars wars version or the other limited versions of the device and even then the price will still go down.
As for caliber of device. It is still a mid range device really. Nothing too special.
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Compared to the 3 and 3T the 5 and 5T are in a unique situation it's a slightly different form factor the finger print is on the front and it retains the capacitive non on screen buttons batterly life is every so slightly better than the 5T.
Everything else is the same so true I can definitely see a few anti 2:1 bezeless phone users prefer the one plus 5 form factor. Although i probably wouldn't go as far as to call it a collector's item. The main blemish on the OnePlus 5 is the jelly phone screen thing aside from that i can see a manufacturer offer both models and both selling reasonably well. With jelly phone screen i think it might skew to the newer phone, it doesn't bother me personally but I know there are people that see the affect all the time and that could get irritating. I on the other hand either don't see it or just got used to it.
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yea don't see the jelly or what I do see didn't bother me..
Lol collectors item yea I know a bit much I did write that btw.
Point I'm making is, the release time was so small, now it's not being made no more, it's not even close to a year.
Any idea how many units were actually made?
A limited edition Zippo only has 250,000 made sometimes less, no how many they sold / made but it's definitely a niche phone now.
I would agree that cellphones don't work like that. When a new model is out, the previous one takes the "second hand status", in which people will be interested in, but only at a super low budget.
Then you have to keep in mind that OnePlus is an "unknown" brand. See all the reviews on specialist websites, all say it's so great but look around you, it's Samsung and Apple, cause people don't read that.
And if we think that OP phones are special for developpement community, also take a look at how people around us don't even change the default wallpaper that their phone had when they turned it on first time
To get back on subject, that's why it's actually terrible that OP releases a flagship so fast, it just kills the value of what we do have in a flash. And there are already rumours of the OP6 coming in march (and any rumour about One Plus phones is nearly always true).
Nice for those * silly * enough to go from 5 to 5T
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They did the same thing with the 3 and the 3t. If any were gonna be collectable it will be the stars wars version or the other limited versions of the device and even then the price will still go down.
As for caliber of device. It is still a mid range device really. Nothing too special.
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Mid range??
Maybe we base out caliber of device on something completely different, I personally go by performance and stamina, along with a few other things.
The Oneplus is not mid range, the Snapdragon 600 series devices are mid range, the Oneplus is 100% high tier, price no but performance and hardware yes.
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I would agree that cellphones don't work like that. When a new model is out, the previous one takes the "second hand status", in which people will be interested in, but only at a super low budget.
Then you have to keep in mind that OnePlus is an "unknown" brand. See all the reviews on specialist websites, all say it's so great but look around you, it's Samsung and Apple, cause people don't read that.
And if we think that OP phones are special for developpement community, also take a look at how people around us don't even change the default wallpaper that their phone had when they turned it on first time
To get back on subject, that's why it's actually terrible that OP releases a flagship so fast, it just kills the value of what we do have in a flash. And there are already rumours of the OP6 coming in march (and any rumour about One Plus phones is nearly always true).
Nice for those * silly * enough to go from 5 to 5T
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I agree, I'll not be getting the 6, it's HTC for me all day long from now on, unless something groundbreaking comes out, couldn't go for Sammy again, they're dead to me, their OS is just nasty now, doesn't even feel like android no more.
I know what you mean with their release timing, but I think they've overshot it here surely, 5 months? That's insane, and for a device which is over the mid range bracket at £507 with shipping? That's not cheap to only be told that in 5 months it can't be bought no more?
I dunno, I had a thought and thought I'd put it out there, collectors item no ok that was a bit far but definitely a niche product (popularity aside)
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I agree, I'll not be getting the 6, it's HTC for me all day long .....................
I dunno, I had a thought and thought I'd put it out there, collectors item no ok that was a bit far but definitely a niche product (popularity aside)
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Yeah.
And to add to those thoughts, one might buy let's say a Samsung Note 8. It cost twice the price of the OP 5T, but you get the top of your brand of choice for a year. If you try to do that with One Plus phones, that will cost you more than that over the same period.
And your Samsung will probably still have a great resell value...
I like OP phones, but to me, they are really doing a terrible thing to their fans here.
Oh well, let's see how it goes
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Mid range??
Maybe we base out caliber of device on something completely different, I personally go by performance and stamina, along with a few other things.
The Oneplus is not mid range, the Snapdragon 600 series devices are mid range, the Oneplus is 100% high tier, price no but performance and hardware yes.
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Yes mid range. Price means nothing where I am. It's all about the hardware for me a day one plus is always missing g a few things to put them in the top tier.
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Yes mid range. Price means nothing where I am. It's all about the hardware for me a day one plus is always missing g a few things to put them in the top tier.
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lol ok so HTC who always make a flag ship device which is always has been comparable in price to Samsung ( I'm assuming that's what you're comparing it to) HTC usually misses a few features out, LG again top tier, again missing things not in others, can't see your point mate.
I know what you're getting at but I disagree wholeheartedly.
The oneplus is anything but a mid range device and in many ways it's superior to flagships like the S8
more ram
more internal memory
faster CPU and better utilisation of said chipset, better use of battery and stamina than the S8 /S8+
dual cameras
fastest charging on the market
Where is the oneplus falling short?
SD slot? water proofing ? stereo speakers ? None of those features makes a high end device.
All of the other OEMs are missing the same things, not to mention that Oneplus listens a lot more than the other OEMs.
edit: anyway, this is moving off topic so I'm leaving this here, plus the topic probably want received how I intended it
Im not a massive fan of bezelless phones because there is less bezel to put your hands on .I also hate software buttons
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Im not a massive fan of bezelless phones because there is less bezel to put your hands on .I also hate software buttons
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So much this.
I hope this trend goes way when I need to buy a new phone a few years.
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Im not a massive fan of bezelless phones because there is less bezel to put your hands on .I also hate software buttons
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completely agree with both points
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So much this.
I hope this trend goes way when I need to buy a new phone a few years.
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it won't but the screen will evolve, the back of the phone had always been by majority unutilised, either way you can be sure that it'll never stay the same, things evolve or people get bored and even if we didn't, companies believe in evolving and ever changing so it'll happen in some way shape or form, hopefully for the better and not just for change.
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The Oneplus has pretty much disappeared from all locations where it was available, which means there can't be that many new devices out in the wild anymore if any at all, do you think if kept in decent condition that it could be something of a collectors item in the months / years to come? Maybe going a bit far with the collectors item thing but you know what i mean, like a niche piece of kit that you can't get hold of no more.
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wait.. what? :silly:
Collector's item? mate, you can't be serious. OnePlus 5 is a really nice phone but calling it a collector's item is seriously pushing it.
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Hello everyone, hope the weekend is going well.
A Huawei user here (current devices Mate 9 and Mate 10 Pro), I'm at the verge of purchasing ROG II with 12GB/512GB from AliExpress.
I've gone through this forum & seen a lot of comments. TBH, I want a powerful gaming phone and out of all the options (redmagic 3s, blackshark 2 pro, IQOO pro, Nubia Z20, OnePlus7T etc), the air triggers are the pulling factor for me using a phone to game without always having to use accessories (maybe in a meeting or somewhere I have to look serious:laugh
I noticed some complaints on dust getting into the wide angle camera. Now that's a serious issue for me being in a Sub-Saharan environment and planning to use the phone for the next 3 years or so. Is it batch-specific or general as buying from AliExpress I doubt if there's warranty.
Also, display quality (regardless of 90Hz/120Hz) is very important to me. I love puchy amazing oled displays like the the top-tier Samsung S10+, iPhones and OnePlus7T
I believe none is in the best position to advise than you guys here already with the device.
What do you think?
ROG II?
Or any other one....
Thanks
zayidhs said:
Hello everyone, hope the weekend is going well.
A Huawei user here (current devices Mate 9 and Mate 10 Pro), I'm at the verge of purchasing ROG II with 12GB/512GB from AliExpress.
I've gone through this forum & seen a lot of comments. TBH, I want a powerful gaming phone and out of all the options (redmagic 3s, blackshark 2 pro, IQOO pro, Nubia Z20, OnePlus7T etc), the air triggers are the pulling factor for me using a phone to game without always having to use accessories (maybe in a meeting or somewhere I have to look serious:laugh
I noticed some complaints on dust getting into the wide angle camera. Now that's a serious issue for me being in a Sub-Saharan environment and planning to use the phone for the next 3 years or so. Is it batch-specific or general as buying from AliExpress I doubt if there's warranty.
Also, display quality (regardless of 90Hz/120Hz) is very important to me. I love puchy amazing oled displays like the the top-tier Samsungs, iPhones and OnePlus
I believe none is in the best position to advise than you guys here already with the device.
What do you think?
ROG II?
Or any other one....
Thanks
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Well, I have been decorating in my house for the past month, dust everywhere, and I mean EVERYWHERE! (see screenshots), and I haven't got dust in the camera with my phone on me all the time... So it could've just been a rare case or cases, I can't remember if it was only one user...
Also, the latest update allows you to customise the air triggers for gradual slide eg. when drifting cars or running /walking in a game. Pretty nifty... Again, see screenshots.
The only thing I think you might be downgrading on is the cam quality. I can't say from experience as I never had those phones to compare with...
Hope that helps...
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Well, I have been decorating in my house for the past month, dust everywhere, and I mean EVERYWHERE! (see screenshots), and I haven't got dust in the camera with my phone on me all the time... So it could've just been a rare case or cases, I can't remember if it was only one user...
Also, the latest update allows you to customise the air triggers for gradual slide eg. when drifting cars or running /walking in a game. Pretty nifty... Again, see screenshots.
The only thing I think you might be downgrading on is the cam quality. I can't say from experience as I never had those phones to compare with...
Hope that helps...
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Glad to hear that. I think this will give me more strength to go ahead with ROG II.
BTW, what do you think of the screen's beauty? Is it punchy and beautiful like them Samsungs or it's just meh?
Thanks so much, it really helps.
Oh, enjoy decorating the house ??????
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Glad to hear that. I think this will give me more strength to go ahead with ROG II.
BTW, what do you think of the screen's beauty? Is it punchy and beautiful like them Samsungs or it's just meh?
Thanks so much, it really helps.
Oh, enjoy decorating the house ???
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TBH i haven't used a samsung in years, nor iphone etc - been using xiaomi etc, so i can't really comment on the vibrancy in comparison... sorry fella
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TBH i haven't used a samsung in years, nor iphone etc - been using xiaomi etc, so i can't really comment on the vibrancy in comparison... sorry fella
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It's ok, thanks for your time
zayidhs said:
Hello everyone, hope the weekend is going well.
A Huawei user here (current devices Mate 9 and Mate 10 Pro), I'm at the verge of purchasing ROG II with 12GB/512GB from AliExpress.
I've gone through this forum & seen a lot of comments. TBH, I want a powerful gaming phone and out of all the options (redmagic 3s, blackshark 2 pro, IQOO pro, Nubia Z20, OnePlus7T etc), the air triggers are the pulling factor for me using a phone to game without always having to use accessories (maybe in a meeting or somewhere I have to look serious:laugh
I noticed some complaints on dust getting into the wide angle camera. Now that's a serious issue for me being in a Sub-Saharan environment and planning to use the phone for the next 3 years or so. Is it batch-specific or general as buying from AliExpress I doubt if there's warranty.
Also, display quality (regardless of 90Hz/120Hz) is very important to me. I love puchy amazing oled displays like the the top-tier Samsung S10+, iPhones and OnePlus7T
I believe none is in the best position to advise than you guys here already with the device.
What do you think?
ROG II?
Or any other one....
Thanks
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i live in a dusty city too i didn't have any issue of dust going into camera
As a fan of Huawei I get where you are coming from. My last two devices were Huawei.
Dust: I say just cover the vent like I did and never worry about it again. The increase in temps is very slight while gaming. You can always use the active cooler to prevent thermal throttling in long game sessions.
Display: Zero Complaints from me. Its great.
The downsides are no VoLTE which isn't a deal breaker for me. No WIFI calling which I don't understand why this isn't a thing. Its a bit heavier than I'm use to. Something I never noticed before is the way I handle my phone. I rest the whole phone on my pinky finger and it leans against my other fingers. This allows me to reach most of the screen with my thumb (I have long fingers) for easy one handed operation. Well the added weight of the phone I can feel in my pinky finger so I can't hold it like this indefinitely any longer. My pinky starts hurting now. The finger print sensor is trash. I use face unlock.
Despite that, I'm really enjoying my device. Its a great phone.
TLDR:
Cover vent to prevent dust if you are concerned
Display rocks
no VoLTE calling in USA
no WIFI calling in USA
Heavy depending on how you hold the phone.
Finger Print Sensor is trash. May get better with updates.
This is an awesome device and I'm enjoying it.
I personally love this phone so much (loved...) but right now, because i have problems with accuracy of my COMPASS and slow catching GPS signal, sent it back and waiting for results. On other side, all aspect like loudness, 120hz display and performance - this phone is absolute beast. I love it so much, even though is quite heavy. Wanna have it already back home fixed or got replacement
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i live in a dusty city too i didn't have any issue of dust going into camera
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Well that's comforting, how long have you been using it?
deekjx said:
As a fan of Huawei I get where you are coming from. My last two devices were Huawei.
Dust: I say just cover the vent like I did and never worry about it again. The increase in temps is very slight while gaming. You can always use the active cooler to prevent thermal throttling in long game sessions.
Display: Zero Complaints from me. Its great.
The downsides are no VoLTE which isn't a deal breaker for me. No WIFI calling which I don't understand why this isn't a thing. Its a bit heavier than I'm use to. Something I never noticed before is the way I handle my phone. I rest the whole phone on my pinky finger and it leans against my other fingers. This allows me to reach most of the screen with my thumb (I have long fingers) for easy one handed operation. Well the added weight of the phone I can feel in my pinky finger so I can't hold it like this indefinitely any longer. My pinky starts hurting now. The finger print sensor is trash. I use face unlock.
Despite that, I'm really enjoying my device. Its a great phone.
TLDR:
Cover vent to prevent dust if you are concerned
Display rocks
no VoLTE calling in USA
no WIFI calling in USA
Heavy depending on how you hold the phone.
Finger Print Sensor is trash. May get better with updates.
This is an awesome device and I'm enjoying it.
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VoLTE isn't a deal breaker for me either. Neither is the weight.
It seems I may just go ahead and make the purchase.
Thanks
CRYPTfromCATACOMBZ said:
I personally love this phone so much (loved...) but right now, because i have problems with accuracy of my COMPASS and slow catching GPS signal, sent it back and waiting for results. On other side, all aspect like loudness, 120hz display and performance - this phone is absolute beast. I love it so much, even though is quite heavy. Wanna have it already back home fixed or got replacement
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Thanks. Hopefully, you'll get it fixed or replaced soon
Ah yes, the Note 20 Ultra will be my last in a long line of Samsung phone ownership. I'm just not satisfied with this product. That's not to say it's a bad phone but there are other tempting, albeit less expensive options available nowadays. I was happier with the Note 10+. I'm not impressed with the Note 20's cameras the 108mp camera makes no noticeable difference. The large sensor is great but it tends to blur the edges of the object in focus quite frequently. I can't take a selfie without my teeth, which are white, looking like a stick of butter. Battery life is not impressive at all. Basically, there is nothing that justifies the the price I paid for this device and I wish I stuck with my Note 10+.
Fully agree.
The price tag (even if I did not pay for that phone) is insane for that device:
Camera? Lol. Quality not impressive and the 50x zoom garbage produces very nice "Pixel arts" composition. Oops sorry I think I used the word "quality" in that sentence, surely inappropriate in that context.
Battery? lol. I am barely using the phone, it hardly lasts from morning to evening, then battery almost empty
Apps? Junkware? My phone is/was full of links to paying craps from Samsung
The bulge? the weight? Recipe for disaster.
The headphones? The wireless charge? Oh wait, those are extra to be paid separately...
The fingerprint sensor on the screen? lol. Prevents me from using my phone regularly. Rubbish.
CPU oh let's remind that I don't have the same as international, I have the exynox junk.
Samsung junk to "protect" (their business) and lock your phone, so you don't remove their junkwares.
I don't see what that device has more than devices costing 25% of the asking price.
Good experience, it will save me (my own) money for future purchases.
The device is only worth it ( for me anyways ) when heavily discounted via trade in. Otherwise , there's no way in it's worth $1399 plus tax , that's for sure.
I had a brief run with a OnePlus 8 Pro, 799$ black Friday deal, and that was a better value choice over all. However, if one doesn't intend to root then it can be a rather boring device.
I heard that in another brilliant Apple like move that Sammy will not include chargers bundled with their phones.
Samsung Galaxy S21 now looks likely to come without a charger, like the iPhone 12
Samsung may follow Apple's lead
www.google.com
A Green move designed to steal more of your green... naturally.
Sammy, you've changed, but I'm not seeing rainbows... I'm seeing red.
The exynos version is a bad phone... The snapdragon is better but also doesnt worth 1400$ or €. With worldwide snapdragon for 699-799€ for the ultra would have been an amazing deal...
I'm quite happy, the IQ from the main camera is better than my Note 9 by quite a stretch, and the IQ holds up well in this camera shootout (see GSMArena's camera shootout between Mate 40 Pro, iPhone 12 pro max, Sony Xperia 1 MkII and Note 20 Ultra).
Its well built, I have the exynos version and I'm getting through 2 to 3 days between charges with 7 to 8 hrs SoT. I did debloat a bit but have all the original functionality, dont have it in 5G mode as this does eat battery (Dont have 5g here yet), use wifi 90% of time so phone data is off. I have no issues with fingerprint scanner, works well.
Jostian said:
I'm quite happy, the IQ from the main camera is better than my Note 9 by quite a stretch, and the IQ holds up well in this camera shootout (see GSMArena's camera shootout between Mate 40 Pro, iPhone 12 pro max, Sony Xperia 1 MkII and Note 20 Ultra).
Its well built, I have the exynos version and I'm getting through 2 to 3 days between charges with 7 to 8 hrs SoT. I did debloat a bit but have all the original functionality, dont have it in 5G mode as this does eat battery (Dont have 5g here yet), use wifi 90% of time so phone data is off. I have no issues with fingerprint scanner, works well.
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Which OS are you on?
Guys, did someone force you to buy it?
zazabichi said:
Guys, did someone force you to buy it?
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Samsung phones can be like punji pits, lots of concealed sharp surprises.
zazabichi said:
Guys, did someone force you to buy it?
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No, we are free to review it.
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No, we are free to review it.
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Lol, feel the wuv
The really funny part is Samsung can't handle criticism. If you ever talked to a SK based Samsung rep you'll see what I mean. I enjoy drilling into them immensely. Some of that is cultural and the rest is poor training.
They don't interface well with irate Westerners
Tough.
blackhawk said:
Lol, feel the wuv
The really funny part is Samsung can't handle criticism. If you ever talked to a SK based Samsung rep you'll see what I mean. I enjoy drilling into them immensely. Some of that is cultural and the rest is poor training.
They don't interface well with irate Westerners
Tough.
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So in a nutshell , if one were politely show them an issue they'd get offended ?
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So in a nutshell , if one were politely show them an issue they'd get offended ?
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Well politely to them would be to beat around the bush and never get anything resolved or escalated. If you consider the same rep asking you the same questions 2 even 3 times then yes, yes it's a quit pleasant and polite conversation.
However if on the other hand you tend to be assertive like me, it's the stuff of nightmares for a mealy mouth SK rep. You can feel their bp rising; that's the most satisfaction you're likely to get.
I would rather talk to the wall...
Samsung has the worst customer support of any large corporation I have dealt with extensively.
Worse than Toshiba even Sony... Samsung is that bad, #10.
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Well politely to them would be to beat around the bush and never get anything resolved or escalated. If you consider the same rep asking you the same questions 2 even 3 times then yes, yes it's a quit pleasant and polite conversation.
However if on the other hand you tend to be assertive like me, it's the stuff of nightmares for a mealy mouth SK rep. You can feel their bp rising; that's the most satisfaction you're likely to get.
I would rather talk to the wall...
Samsung has the worst customer support of any large corporation I have dealt with extensively.
Worse than Toshiba even Sony... Samsung is that bad, #10.
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For some strange reason I can believe that.
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For some strange reason I can believe that.
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Nothing like trying it yourself... drive right in, the water is great, pay no never mind to the jellyfish.
Denon on the other hand is an absolute pleasure to deal with; superb customer service.
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Nothing like trying it yourself... drive right in, the water is great, pay no never mind to the jellyfish.
Denon on the other hand is an absolute pleasure to deal with; superb customer service.
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Best customer services that I ever recall was ironically an american firm called Cerwin Vega, mind you this was back in the mid 90s and in the UK. Their UK senior representative came to my home to check out an issue with my AT-100 speakers. Lol
Limeybastard said:
Best customer services that I ever recall was ironically an american firm called Cerwin Vega, mind you this was back in the mid 90s and in the UK. Their UK senior representative came to my home to check out an issue with my AT-100 speakers. Lol
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"Loud is beautiful… if it's clean"
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"Loud is beautiful… if it's clean"
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Clean it wasn't
I've had the note 9, note 10+, and now the note 20 ultra. I absolutely loved the note 10+ and wish I would of never traded it in for the note 20 ultra piece of dung. What a pile of junk rolled into a barely bronze metal container. I've had many smartphones and loved my Xiaomi phones. What happened with the note 20 ultra?
Yes their customer service is wretched! I needed damage repaired on my S6 tablet. I bought the accidental damage protection plan with my tablet on Shop Samsung's website. Samsung took almost 3 weeks to fix it and kept saying I had not paid for accidental damage coverage. Needless to say after spending a stupid amount of time 2 to 3 times a week on the phone I finally got it covered and got it back only to find it now glitches and crashes and has horrible battery life now. Yay!
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I've had the note 9, note 10+, and now the note 20 ultra. I absolutely loved the note 10+ and wish I would of never traded it in for the note 20 ultra piece of dung. What a pile of junk rolled into a barely bronze metal container. I've had many smartphones and loved my Xiaomi phones. What happened with the note 20 ultra?
Yes their customer service is wretched! I needed damage repaired on my S6 tablet. I bought the accidental damage protection plan with my tablet on Shop Samsung's website. Samsung took almost 3 weeks to fix it and kept saying I had not paid for accidental damage coverage. Needless to say after spending a stupid amount of time 2 to 3 times a week on the phone I finally got it covered and got it back only to find it now glitches and crashes and has horrible battery life now. Yay!
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Fo you have the exynos? The snapdragon is way better... No heating, better battery, better mobile reception...