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[Q] Questions from a potentional buyer

I am due a phone upgrade back in the UK when i get back from the states next month and similar to almost everyone in recent months after a pretty substantial amount of research i am torn between the One and the S4.
I am upgrading from a very well used S2 that has been very good to me, in fact it is the first phone that i have had on a 2 year contract that has not seemed woefully inadequate towards the end of its life
I am learning more towards the One due to the glass screen cracking issues on the S4, i believe that no phone should break the internal screen with any damage to the external glass, that to me screams poor manufacture/design. Also i have this odd feeling that Samsung have not tried as well as they could this year!
So a few things that concern me about the One before i sign on the dotted line...
1. Battery life, my S2 rarely made it through the day so i carried a spare with me, has battery technology moved on enough that this is no longer a problem? I have looked at plenty of battery tests but i prefer to hear real world usage, i am no power user!
2. Slow charging, it is my understanding that HTC did not use Qualcomms quick charging wizardry to speed up charging, while this is irrelevant for the standard overnight charge does it mean that if i use my phone as a GPS sat nav with a car charger, will the battery drain faster than it charges?
3. 4mp camera, I get what HTC are doing with this, it makes sense as looking through my gallery many of my photos are in low light/portraits. However, it seems to rely on some clever software and as a guy who will probably put stock android on to his phone with 6 months, will this ever work properly with AOSP, or will you have to stick to a HTC rom to keep an acceptable camera?
4. This is a bit of an odd one... having had an Android phone since the HTC Hero, I must have had to pull the battery out a million times to get out of a freeze, how the hell do you do that with this? Also how is everyone finding the lack of removable storage? In the past it has been a life saver being able to load a new ROM to a card, pop it in and rescue a phone that refuses to boot.
5. Has anyone used this with HTC Connect? I have recently bought a Pioneer A4 speaker which is compatible with the standard, so if it is a better system than DLNA it might swing it for me!
Thank you in advance, all opinions welcome!

1. For me it has been really good. It usually lasts me the whole day and I'm a heavy user (4-5H screen on, facebook messenger + whatsapp + Skype + tapatalk 4 + few games and lots of YouTube). When I pushed my battery to the limit to test it I got 10H screen on time.
2. Yes, the fast charging is indeed disabled as it can also harm the battery, and this battery can't be swapped. It won't drain faster than charge though
3. I don't use aosp, but it'll work just fine afaik
4. Holding the powerbutton for 10 sec will simulate battery pull. It has this bug though that it'll work only when it's in bright light (very weird).
Lack of storage expansion is not as bad as I thought it'd be. Just remember to ALWAYS have a Rom copy on it just in case
5. Sorry can't answer this one...
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What to buy after Note r

So.. in february i sold my iPhone 5s and was confused what to go for.. So I picked N4 Exynos as i wanted a good performance etc. Unfortunatelt, I am bit disappointed. I got a screen burn, the phone isn't butter-smooth and battery life is terrible. Still, we have not any AOSP/CM so.. no way surviving. I am thinking on what to replace my note with..i am looking at G4 and M9, Z3+ when it eventually goes available in my country... what do you guys think?

Okay as i dont have my own m9, g4 i can't say how they will behave in long term use.
But I have played with the both phones for some times,and I feel that m9 has much better performance, the camera is too good,and most importantly it is a phone with everything packed in a decent size of 5 inch.
If you prefer bigger(5.5 inch) and better screen the g4 is a better option..and I felt that the g4 battery gives you more time with screen on,though it has a better resolution.
And with the Sony,I personally hate Sony..:banghead:
My z3 became a paperweight as its faulty battery burnt the motherboard,and I couldn't claim warranty because of unlocking the bootloader!

Herny123 said:
Okay as i dont have my own m9, g4 i can't say how they will behave in long term use.
But I have played with the both phones for some times,and I feel that m9 has much better performance, the camera is too good,and most importantly it is a phone with everything packed in a decent size of 5 inch.
If you prefer bigger(5.5 inch) and better screen the g4 is a better option..and I felt that the g4 battery gives you more time with screen on,though it has a better resolution.
And with the Sony,I personally hate Sony..:banghead:
My z3 became a paperweight as its faulty battery burnt the motherboard,and I couldn't claim warranty because of unlocking the bootloader!
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The problem is, I didn't have any HTC in the past, and - as I read forums - I can't understand the procedures to mod it. S-OFF's, CIDs, the hell is that I have had Xperia neo V back in the times, it was branded phone but somehow it had unlocked bootloader with testpoint method, so I was really lucky . Samsung is the easiest phone to mod, I am pretty scared of HTC level of difficultness in terms of modificating. Another thing is Snapdragon 810 which heats up as I heard. The positive is that I hope developers can get most out of it so there will be many custom roms etc

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The problem is, I didn't have any HTC in the past, and - as I read forums - I can't understand the procedures to mod it. S-OFF's, CIDs, the hell is that I have had Xperia neo V back in the times, it was branded phone but somehow it had unlocked bootloader with testpoint method, so I was really lucky . Samsung is the easiest phone to mod, I am pretty scared of HTC level of difficultness in terms of modificating. Another thing is Snapdragon 810 which heats up as I heard. The positive is that I hope developers can get most out of it so there will be many custom roms etc
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If you want to root, install ROMs etc. then a Nexus 6 would be your best option, and it has great specs

Monnq said:
The problem is, I didn't have any HTC in the past, and - as I read forums - I can't understand the procedures to mod it. S-OFF's, CIDs, the hell is that I have had Xperia neo V back in the times, it was branded phone but somehow it had unlocked bootloader with testpoint method, so I was really lucky . Samsung is the easiest phone to mod, I am pretty scared of HTC level of difficultness in terms of modificating. Another thing is Snapdragon 810 which heats up as I heard. The positive is that I hope developers can get most out of it so there will be many custom roms etc
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Yes I also heard that snapdragon 810 heats up fast..but I think this doesn't effect much on the device,like almost all the phones of Sony z series have overheating issues,but when I talked and discussed about it on the Sony mobile forum,they said that all phone CPU's got something inside to control heating issues,so nothing much to worry..
I had a HTC one before z3,the S-OFF,S-ON was a little bit confusing then,because I was at very early stage of phone modding...if you have used and modified phones deeply before,you can easily learn them ..they are not that much hard from unlocking bootloader or flashing ROMs in a Samsung device!
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If you want to root, install ROMs etc. then a Nexus 6 would be your best option, and it has great specs
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+1 ...nexus devices are the easiest to mod and the purest Google/Android devices there are. I still have an original nexus 7 running like a champ (aside from the screen being cracked thanks to one of my kids stepping on it lol) but software-wise you can't kill that thing!

Monnq said:
So.. in february i sold my iPhone 5s and was confused what to go for.. So I picked N4 Exynos as i wanted a good performance etc. Unfortunatelt, I am bit disappointed. I got a screen burn, the phone isn't butter-smooth and battery life is terrible. Still, we have not any AOSP/CM so.. no way surviving. I am thinking on what to replace my note with..i am looking at G4 and M9, Z3+ when it eventually goes available in my country... what do you guys think?
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Hmm have you tried installing a custom rom + kernel (+ init.d tweaks)? Mine is perfectly smooth now, with some slight stutters here and there when loading a bunch of apps. There are a lot of performance enhancements to be found here that your could try before switching. Personally I'm using Wanam's BOC5 rom with googy_anas's kernel, with the L Speed 2.2 tweaks (removed the VM and RAM tweaks) + fpsunlocker (but instead of setting it to -60 I have set it to -1). The s6 browser is also a lot smoother than the one that comes preinstalled on the Note 4 so do install that as well (found here). I would also recommend turning off location history and uninstalling chrome as chrome tends to use a lot more battery than the stock browser (also try uninstalling facebook + messenger and use the web-apps instead).

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Hmm have you tried installing a custom rom + kernel (+ init.d tweaks)? Mine is perfectly smooth now, with some slight stutters here and there when loading a bunch of apps. There are a lot of performance enhancements to be found here that your could try before switching. Personally I'm using Wanam's BOC5 rom with googy_anas's kernel, with the L Speed 2.2 tweaks (removed the VM and RAM tweaks) + fpsunlocker (but instead of setting it to -60 I have set it to -1). The s6 browser is also a lot smoother than the one that comes preinstalled on the Note 4 so do install that as well (found here). I would also recommend turning off location history and uninstalling chrome as chrome tends to use a lot more battery than the stock browser (also try uninstalling facebook + messenger and use the web-apps instead).
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I can live without smoothness, the thing that hurts me is the battery definetely

Monnq said:
I can live without smoothness, the thing that hurts me is the battery definetely
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Really don't get it as I normally achieve around 7h of screen on time (using the minimum automatic brightness setting). Of course if I use my Gear VR I won't come anywhere close to that. Have you thought about getting an external charger + extra battery? Really convenient as you never need to charge your phone, and switching batteries only takes about 10 seconds. Samsung External Charger

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Really don't get it as I normally achieve around 7h of screen on time (using the minimum automatic brightness setting). Of course if I use my Gear VR I won't come anywhere close to that. Have you thought about getting an external charger + extra battery? Really convenient as you never need to charge your phone, and switching batteries only takes about 10 seconds. Samsung External Charger
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You can achieve around 7h and when I go to school I can hardly achieve these 4h. The pauses are like 10 min, I usually use LTE, browse internet, read something. Screen is usually set to 50% brightness. The drain is really high. My phone can eat 10% per these 10 minutes.

Monnq said:
You can achieve around 7h and when I go to school I can hardly achieve these 4h. The pauses are like 10 min, I usually use LTE, browse internet, read something. Screen is usually set to 50% brightness. The drain is really high. My phone can eat 10% per these 10 minutes.
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Have you tried resetting the phone? You've most likely got an app that is not playing ball and using a lot of juice. Try resetting your phone, and using it without any extra apps and see if that helps, and then start installing them one by one.

I'm sadisfied with my Note4. But if samsung drop microsd og swapable battery, Ill go for nexus 6.

Toss3 said:
Have you tried resetting the phone? You've most likely got an app that is not playing ball and using a lot of juice. Try resetting your phone, and using it without any extra apps and see if that helps, and then start installing them one by one.
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I have maximally tweaked my phone now. Installed SweetROM, applied L-Speed init.d modifications, installed googymax kernel. Maybe it's a bit better, can't really tell. One thing that annoys me, whenever I connect to WiFi/LTE, FB Messenger says "Waiting for network". I have to go into settings>force close and re-run to fix this. Any ideas?
ATM i'm considering Nexus 6/LG G4, or wait for Xperia z3+

How much of a concern is the battery life (specifically, SOT)?

Hello everyone!
Background (less important): So, I've been looking at getting a Oneplus phone for a while but when my last 2 phones died back to back, I got an S6 from insurance. Problem with the S6 being just about everything (no SD card expansion, no removable battery, no rooting abilities, etc). I've been keeping an eye out for the right time to get a new device and, now that my device memory is full, I'm looking at a new phone.
I was looking at picking up either the S7 or the Oneplus 3T. The S7 is under $500 on amazon, which is pretty surprising (thought it would be much more expensive), has expandable SD card support, pretty good battery, good camera, lots of RAM, etc and they just got the ability to root. It also has some cool options like medical sensor stuff, etc (not all that important, just extra bells and whistles).
However, the 3T appears to have a very active rooting/mods community, and overall, many people have said this is the best phone they've ever had so I'm leaning towards picking that up. The only downsides I've seen/heard are the camera on the 3T isn't as good (definitely not the end of the world, it's still an upgrade from my S6) and I've seen a number of battery drain threads and that genuinely concerns me. I understand that those with the issue are likely going to be a lot more vocal than those that have everything working but I was hoping to gauge how much of a concern this really is and if anyone has determined the cause of the battery drain and if there's a solution. What I don't want to do is get a developer friendly phone that dies super quick (I understand it charges fast too but I don;t want to rely on that).
Anyway, this is kind of an important decision for me as my goal is to keep a phone for 3 years so I'm looking for a phone that is pretty well future proof (for a while, I know 3 years is a long time in the technology field) and I don't want to "settle" for a phone that's going to give me nothing but headaches.
If you guys could help me understand how big of a deal the battery drain is, it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

Okay here's the deal. You're posting in the Oneplus 3T forum and people are clearly going to be biased, you're lucky I'm coming from a Galaxy Note 7 and my girlfriend has an S7 Edge.
The experience you're going to get with a Samsung is far richer in features and the camera is superior. The phone just yells premium out of it's every part. The microphone will record your voice better as well.
However, if you're looking for a future proof phone the Oneplus 3T is clearly a winner. People are crying about drain and SoT simply because they're more pretentious and pay more attention to details than Samsung users. All Android phones have some sort of drain and with time, stock ROMs get more laggy and battery consuming. The advantage you have on oneplus is that you can apply all sorts of custom ROMs, kernels and mods to squeeze out the most of your battery, while on Samsung you're more prone of getting stuck with drain sooner or later.
Here's where OP3T's top card comes, dash charge is amazing. At this point I don't even care about SoT since I can charge my phone to 60% in 30m. I'm getting 4-5 hours of SoT without tweaks and 4G always on data using stock ROM. Who even wants to stick their eyes in the phone screen for more than that?
You can't go wrong with the OP3T unless you're willing to wait for the next oneplus.
Bottom line, the drain people have been experiencing on OxygenOS 4.0.3 is of little concern, especially since it's improves with Beta 12 7.1.1. Stop overthinking and get the phone you like.

Alek123 said:
Okay here's the deal. You're posting in the Oneplus 3T forum and people are clearly going to be biased, you're lucky I'm coming from a Galaxy Note 7 and my girlfriend has an S7 Edge.
The experience you're going to get with a Samsung is far richer in features and the camera is superior. The phone just yells premium out of it's every part. The microphone will record your voice better as well.
However, if you're looking for a future proof phone the Oneplus 3T is clearly a winner. People are crying about drain and SoT simply because they're more pretentious and pay more attention to details than Samsung users. All Android phones have some sort of drain and with time, stock ROMs get more laggy and battery consuming. The advantage you have on oneplus is that you can apply all sorts of custom ROMs, kernels and mods to squeeze out the most of your battery, while on Samsung you're more prone of getting stuck with drain sooner or later.
Here's where OP3T's top card comes, dash charge is amazing. At this point I don't even care about SoT since I can charge my phone to 60% in 30m. I'm getting 4-5 hours of SoT without tweaks and 4G always on data using stock ROM. Who even wants to stick their eyes in the phone screen for more than that?
You can't go wrong with the OP3T unless you're willing to wait for the next oneplus.
Bottom line, the drain people have been experiencing on OxygenOS 4.0.3 is of little concern, especially since it's improves with Beta 12 7.1.1. Stop overthinking and get the phone you like.
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So just to be clear, you're saying that the battery drain people are experiencing is likely related to a version/rom/etc that they are using and they're too lazy to try different things to try and optimize it but even if I am that lazy, the dash charge still works well enough that it shouldn't be an issue for most people (assuming you're near a charging socket), is that a pretty good synopsis?
Just want to understand if you believe the issue is user error (not using the right software components/settings), user pickiness (IE they're perceiving a problem that's not really there) or if there are the occasional phone that experiences battery issues but it's a very small number.

jbrookley said:
So just to be clear, you're saying that the battery drain people are experiencing is likely related to a version/rom/etc that they are using and they're too lazy to try different things to try and optimize it but even if I am that lazy, the dash charge still works well enough that it shouldn't be an issue for most people (assuming you're near a charging socket), is that a pretty good synopsis?
Just want to understand if you believe the issue is user error (not using the right software components/settings), user pickiness (IE they're perceiving a problem that's not really there) or if there are the occasional phone that experiences battery issues but it's a very small number.
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I think that that's what he wants to tell you. To myself : I have the 3T since yesterday and since I'm coming from a M8 it's a huge upgrade for me. But for your comparison : my brother has the S7 and plenty of my friends have the S7E. S7E is in my opinion a superior phone in terms of camera, mic, display, waterproof .. etc. All the things that make the S7/E more superior is only because Sammy has done a better job, BUT what they didn't was to make the phone future proof. The thing with OP3T is that it also does/contains all of the superior things, it's just not that good. The camera is fine for me, I don't care about waterproofness, a 2K display is nice but you won't notice the difference anyway except for the brightness if you compare them both side by side. I'm pretty sure I've made my point.
Now for the 3T's battery drain : I was still on OxygenOS 3.5.4 because I didn't felt the urge to update. Woke up at 7 AM and plugged it out, somewhere between 10 - 11 AM I was on something like 27 percent. It was somehow strange but ok. Now that I couldn't resist to flash CM13 I've noticed a HUGE difference. I flashed CM13 at around 5 PM while I was charging it (was at 90% at 5PM) and now after 4h of using it I'm at 68%. Huge differnce no doubt and I'm staying at CM13.
Hope I could help you

talpes said:
I think that that's what he wants to tell you. To myself : I have the 3T since yesterday and since I'm coming from a M8 it's a huge upgrade for me. But for your comparison : my brother has the S7 and plenty of my friends have the S7E. S7E is in my opinion a superior phone in terms of camera, mic, display, waterproof .. etc. All the things that make the S7/E more superior is only because Sammy has done a better job, BUT what they didn't was to make the phone future proof. The thing with OP3T is that it also does/contains all of the superior things, it's just not that good. The camera is fine for me, I don't care about waterproofness, a 2K display is nice but you won't notice the difference anyway except for the brightness if you compare them both side by side. I'm pretty sure I've made my point.
Now for the 3T's battery drain : I was still on OxygenOS 3.5.4 because I didn't felt the urge to update. Woke up at 7 AM and plugged it out, somewhere between 10 - 11 AM I was on something like 27 percent. It was somehow strange but ok. Now that I couldn't resist to flash CM13 I've noticed a HUGE difference. I flashed CM13 at around 5 PM while I was charging it (was at 90% at 5PM) and now after 4h of using it I'm at 68%. Huge differnce no doubt and I'm staying at CM13.
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Thanks for the advice, particularly about the future proofing. I honestly don't get why Samsung hasn't moved to a USB C connector yet . . . Seems like a no brainer, that's clearly the direction everything is heading.

jbrookley said:
So just to be clear, you're saying that the battery drain people are experiencing is likely related to a version/rom/etc that they are using and they're too lazy to try different things to try and optimize it but even if I am that lazy, the dash charge still works well enough that it shouldn't be an issue for most people (assuming you're near a charging socket), is that a pretty good synopsis?
Just want to understand if you believe the issue is user error (not using the right software components/settings), user pickiness (IE they're perceiving a problem that's not really there) or if there are the occasional phone that experiences battery issues but it's a very small number.
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Yeah, that's my opinion based on experience as a former Oneplus One, Samsung Galaxy Note 7 and current Oneplus 3T user. People mostly started complaining about drain with OOS4.0.3 (latest current stock) and it will definitely be fixed with OOS nougat 7.1.1. This "battery drain" stigma that you're currently placing on the OP3T has been placed on all major flagships at some point. I can't be certain how well this device will be officially updated in the future, or how the battery will hold up after many many cycles, but i can assure you it will hold up better than an S7.
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Thanks for the advice, particularly about the future proofing. I honestly don't get why Samsung hasn't moved to a USB C connector yet . . . Seems like a no brainer, that's clearly the direction everything is heading.
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They did have USB-C on the Note 7. At the point of S7 launch it wasn't that widespread.

Alek123 said:
Yeah, that's my opinion based on experience as a former Oneplus One, Samsung Galaxy Note 7 and current Oneplus 3T user. People mostly started complaining about drain with OOS4.0.3 (latest current stock) and it will definitely be fixed with OOS nougat 7.1.1. This "battery drain" stigma that you're currently placing on the OP3T has been placed on all major flagships at some point. I can't be certain how well this device will be officially updated in the future, or how the battery will hold up after many many cycles, but i can assure you it will hold up better than an S7.
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I'm actually really glad you mentioned that because, you're right, I have definitely experienced various stages of battery drain between updates on Samsung devices except I didn't get to choose when or if I wanted to update with those. At least I'll now be in control of those things! Made up my mind, ordering the Oneplus 3T now! Thanks!

jbrookley said:
I'm actually really glad you mentioned that because, you're right, I have definitely experienced various stages of battery drain between updates on Samsung devices except I didn't get to choose when or if I wanted to update with those. At least I'll now be in control of those things! Made up my mind, ordering the Oneplus 3T now! Thanks!
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I am certain you won't regret getting this device. Let me know if you need any help or have any more questions via PM.

6-7 hour of sot per charge every 22-28 hours.

technology is weird. people can get battery drains for all kinds of reasons. google services may be a reason. or some wakelock by some random app that never was a problem, but after installing it on a certain rom on a certain phone it suddenly is a problem. and weirdly enough you are the only one experiencing it. it might be something with the rom where a factory reset may help. some people go ahead and flash another rom and then it is gone. sometimes they make the wrong conclusion that it is the roms fault. or the kernels or whatever. it happens on every phone. just go to a random phones forum and you will find threads with people complaining about battery drain. and they will be the only ones with this particular issue. the vast majority of users does not have such issues. if they do you will find out about it soon enough and after some time there will be an update that fixes it.
my sot is around 5 hours depending on what i do. using media like movies gives you more screen time, heavy gaming gives you less screen time.

Is it worth to buy Moto X4 now.

Hey guyz. I've got nexus 5 for 2 years now and im starting to look after a new phone. I love my nexus 5 and honestly i wouldnt change it. The cons of nex 5 are battery and the fact that it's old phone with no more android support(got 7.1.2 and i think it is the last stable one). I bought a new original battery few days ago, but it didn't provide me any battery time boost : ( ( (. I even calibrated it 2 times already. Maybe wrong ROM/Kernel. Never mind nex 5, not the topic .
I have a few questions about moto x4. The price of this phone is affordable for me in my country. It costs about 250 Euro. I am very glad of IP67, usb type C. Cortex a53 2.2ghz, 3gb ram i think its enough. 5.2 LCD with 3000mah battery should be good.
-Will the software be ever as customizable as nexus 5?
-Connected to customize - will I be able to install a dark theme?( I love that and i cant live without it, i cant stand white phone app, sms app, settings app etc). Is substratum working on stock?
-What is android one ? Its is like multi rom between Oreo and One or it's just a name for soft in devices, which will be updated very often?
-Is battery enough for a day? My nex 5 is so bad : (. 40min video drains ~~20% battery - i watch many series on it on my way in bus/tram)
-Is performance good? I don't get this proccessors. It has octa 2.2ghz and i saw that benhmakrs show subjectively low performance(at least comparing to my nex 5 2.3x4)
-Is there - vibrate on answer option in stock rom ?
-Is there double click on Power button to flashlite in stock rom? Or is it accessible by some modifcation
-Is notification diode replaceable somehow ? I heard that there's weak diode for battery notifications - any comments?
I think that's it by now.
Appriciate Your comments

No. X4 is wife's DD.
Cons:
I don't like that 13GB of the 32GB internal storage is taken up by system.
The camera is slow to take pics.
Pros:
Nice size if you don't want a big phone.
Better battery life than every phone I've had, with exception of my DD Moto Z2 Play, which is about the same.
I recommend the Z2 Play. I believe it to be the best phone I've had.

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-Will the software be ever as customizable as nexus 5?
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Unknown, but probably unlikely. The stock software is pretty much a bone-stock android 8.0, and the Android One version does have an unlock-able bootloader, but the development of ROMs for this device is pretty much just starting. I doubt anyone would run a 7.1.2 ROM for this device, and Oreo just came out a few weeks ago.
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-Connected to customize - will I be able to install a dark theme?( I love that and i cant live without it, i cant stand white phone app, sms app, settings app etc). Is substratum working on stock?
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You could manually install substratum, but that requires root. Root is available for these devices, but it's also pretty new, so success isn't guaranteed, and if you bork it, you might be on your own.
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-What is android one ? Its is like multi rom between Oreo and One or it's just a name for soft in devices, which will be updated very often?
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Android One is a program that Google started a few years ago for Manufacturers to sell their phones with a stock (or as close to stock as possible) version of Android. The X4 is the first North American phone to be certified under the Android One branding. It basically means that you are getting a Google phone. It's Google's way to discontinue the Nexus brand, but still offer stock android experiences on phones that are cheaper than the Pixels. (Do not confuse Android One with Oreo's Treble, which is a new feature in Oreo to allow OEMs to apply security updates easier and quicker. This phone does not seem to have Treble support as of right now).
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-Is battery enough for a day? My nex 5 is so bad : (. 40min video drains ~~20% battery - i watch many series on it on my way in bus/tram)
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Battery life is fantastic. Best battery life I've ever had. Most people are reporting an average of 5-7 hours of SOT. I average ~13%/hour Screen on, and about 1%/hour Screen off. I used to charge mine every other day, but now that I got a Fitbit last week, it goes about a day and a half. You could easily watch a 40 minute video on each commute.
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-Is performance good? I don't get this proccessors. It has octa 2.2ghz and i saw that benhmakrs sho0w subjectively low performance(at least comparing to my nex 5 2.3x4)
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What benchmarks were that? Before I got my phone, I saw Antutu benchmarks that put my old 5X and this new X4 on about the same range, and I believe the 5X was significantly faster than the 5. Anyways, this phone is plenty fast, and feels maybe a little faster than my old 5X. The only time I'm really pushing it is when it's processing HDR+ photos, as even most games I play don't stress it. It's very smooth in games, and even gets bettery batterly life when you're under load.
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-Is there - vibrate on answer option in stock rom ?
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Can you give more info? I'm not sure what you're talking about here. You want the phone to vibrate when you answer a phone call?
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-Is there double click on Power button to flashlite in stock rom? Or is it accessible by some modifcation
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There is a gesture action that you can enable to turn the flashlight on by chopping twice. It works pretty well, but I have it turned off most of the time, as I keep the quick launch icon in my status bar if I need it. It's up to you.
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-Is notification diode replaceable somehow ? I heard that there's weak diode for battery notifications - any comments?
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That's way beyond the scope of what I've seen done on this device. I don't think anyone has done any hardware mods to these phones yet. I haven't noticed that the battery warning diode is particularly dim, but I also think that's a weird thing to be nitpicking on a cheap phone such as this. It's mid-ranged phone that is solid, well-built, looks good, feels good, performs great, has exceptional battery life, has a very good camera (once you replace the crap Moto camera software), and I don't have any issues with it. Anyways, hope this helped you in your decision.

pizza_pablo said:
No. X4 is wife's DD.
Cons:
I don't like that 13GB of the 32GB internal storage is taken up by system.
The camera is slow to take pics.
Pros:
Nice size if you don't want a big phone.
Better battery life than every phone I've had, with exception of my DD Moto Z2 Play, which is about the same.
I recommend the Z2 Play. I believe it to be the best phone I've had.
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With Camera NX (https://forum.xda-developers.com/ne...d-camera-nx-v4-google-camera-zsl-hdr-t3494435) I have had almost zero shutter lag which solves that problem IMO.

Question Impact MFD on battery and heat

Hello, I got a Zenfone 8 from Amazon Warehouse with MFD 4-21. Just after receiving i read about the Ramdump issues with 4-21 and 5-21 MFD, so far nothing happened to my phone. My problem is just the bad battery life and heating issues. I optimized bluetooth (do not know if I disabled optimisation for it), with this I got a little more battery and heating in pocket got less.
Also I flashed Kirisakura Kernel with the hope of getting enough battery life out of the phone to last through the day. Compared to my previous phone (Unihertz Atom XL) I have got much worse battery life. The old phone got about 4300 mah and a smaller screen, but it was in no way optimized and still had about 50% on the end of the day. With the Zenfone on the other hand I get from the morning 06:00 (90 % charge limit) to about 14:00 and would have to recharge. Usage is the same (Health app which is activated every 5 min and needs BT, some news-browsing)
I am now thinking about sending the phone back and switching to a refurbished Pixel 5 (which schould have better battery) or get a brand new Zenfone 8. I like the look and feel of the phone very much, but I do not want to have to charge throughout the day.
If the thermal and battery problem would be from that, that the phone is manufactured in April 2021 I would rather order a brand new Zenfone 8 (in the hope in getting really a new one with MFD end 2021).
What are your thoughts on this?

McHoffi said:
Hello, I got a Zenfone 8 from Amazon Warehouse with MFD 4-21. Just after receiving i read about the Ramdump issues with 4-21 and 5-21 MFD, so far nothing happened to my phone. My problem is just the bad battery life and heating issues. I optimized bluetooth (do not know if I disabled optimisation for it), with this I got a little more battery and heating in pocket got less.
Also I flashed Kirisakura Kernel with the hope of getting enough battery life out of the phone to last through the day. Compared to my previous phone (Unihertz Atom XL) I have got much worse battery life. The old phone got about 4300 mah and a smaller screen, but it was in no way optimized and still had about 50% on the end of the day. With the Zenfone on the other hand I get from the morning 06:00 (90 % charge limit) to about 14:00 and would have to recharge. Usage is the same (Health app which is activated every 5 min and needs BT, some news-browsing)
I am now thinking about sending the phone back and switching to a refurbished Pixel 5 (which schould have better battery) or get a brand new Zenfone 8. I like the look and feel of the phone very much, but I do not want to have to charge throughout the day.
If the thermal and battery problem would be from that, that the phone is manufactured in April 2021 I would rather order a brand new Zenfone 8 (in the hope in getting really a new one with MFD end 2021).
What are your thoughts on this?
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Hello, with hot environmental temps, phone heats up easily and that's normal if you're running stock Soc values/bloated OS.
The only way to reduce that, is to install a vanilla rom like Los 19.1 or AEX/Omni (at worst with microG or smallest gApps) and limit a bit the max frequencies for both Cpu and Gpu.
No miracles at all but really acceptable

francescod said:
Hello, with hot environmental temps, phone heats up easily and that's normal if you're running stock Soc values/bloated OS.
The only way to reduce that, is to install a vanilla rom like Los 19.1 or AEX/Omni (at worst with microG or smallest gApps) and limit a bit the max frequencies for both Cpu and Gpu.
No miracles at all but really acceptable
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Thank you for your answer!
Until now I did not have phones which get hot (rather warm) during normal use, also not during summer. Under heavy games this is normal for sure, and expectable.
Are there any disadvantages in using one of the custom roms? I had lineageos on older phones (Galaxy S5 and Oneplus 6t), with the Oneplus there were some problems and I did not see any advantage in using it. Is everything running smooth and working? If not what function is affected by which rom?
I read in another thread that someone managed to get over 8 hours SOT with LOS, this would be nice if there is no disadvantage in functionality and usage.
So you would not recommend to replace the "old" Zenfone with a new one with newer MFD?
I find it a pitty that such a nice phone has those problems, this is why I thought about switching to a Pixel 5 (size, camera, battery and (community) support).

McHoffi said:
Thank you for your answer!
Until now I did not have phones which get hot (rather warm) during normal use, also not during summer. Under heavy games this is normal for sure, and expectable.
Are there any disadvantages in using one of the custom roms? I had lineageos on older phones (Galaxy S5 and Oneplus 6t), with the Oneplus there were some problems and I did not see any advantage in using it. Is everything running smooth and working? If not what function is affected by which rom?
I read in another thread that someone managed to get over 8 hours SOT with LOS, this would be nice if there is no disadvantage in functionality and usage.
So you would not recommend to replace the "old" Zenfone with a new one with newer MFD?
I find it a pitty that such a nice phone has those problems, this is why I thought about switching to a Pixel 5 (size, camera, battery and (community) support).
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The main reason for the heat issue is the bad built 888, and in our compact dimensions can only be worse than expected.
If you can go vanilla, that's for sure the best option in consumption/temp terms, otherwise even microG or at worse with smallest gApps you'll be in a better situation than stock, still tweaking freqs as I said above by default .
Bugs might be on NFC payments department, shouldn't there be in any other side, considering these A12 roms are on "first weeks of global tests".
On Los you loose Asus Camera and Dialer as their best apps, but you can go with gCam though with pretty results.
Omni/AEX should also have FM radio if you're interested in and Asus camera.
Since you're already rooted, it's just a matter of a Format to go with any rom, and an eventually second Format to go back easily with the Asus A12 RAW file.
I was forgetting....only a newer device than, let's say November 2021, might give you a real "ramdump proof" device, but heat remains the same, unless they also modified heat dissipation that's most unlikely to happen.

I installed MicroG, this helped with battery life, but brought also disadvantages (calendar, contacts). I also got a Pixel 5 to test, and am until now more for the P5. The battery lasts me a full day and this without taking the disadvantages in usability on me. With MicroG the battery life still was not as I would like it to be.
I liked the ROM of Asus, especially because of the battery options and modes, also the options for Dual Band Wifi and Hyperfusion (Wifi + Data).
I am thankful for your recommendations. But I am tending to stay with the Pixel where I do not need to do so much to the software to work for me.