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why old processor?

why have they put an old model processor in there? why not the MSM8255?
i am holding out for a little bit, i am due an upgrade now, but dont want to rush into buying this phone if something better is coming.
Plus want to see what modding can be done to the software / themes, 3rd party apps etc

t3rm3y said:
why have they put an old model processor in there? why not the MSM8255?
i am holding out for a little bit, i am due an upgrade now, but dont want to rush into buying this phone if something better is coming.
Plus want to see what modding can be done to the software / themes, 3rd party apps etc
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because Microsoft only support the "old" snapdragon .

why apple customers don't ask them the same question , they use the same GPU as what is in 3gs a year ago ,
a second thing wp7 is developed on the snapdragon which is more than enough for now with it's improved drivers and direct x 9 support , it will perform even 2x better than a DHD with 8255 processor

t3rm3y said:
but dont want to rush into buying this phone if something better is coming.
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Sorry I'm the one that had to break the news, but there is always something better coming...
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hoss_n2 said:
why apple customers don't ask them the same question , they use the same GPU as what is in 3gs a year ago ,
a second thing wp7 is developed on the snapdragon which is more than enough for now with it's improved drivers and direct x 9 support , it will perform even 2x better than a DHD with 8255 processor
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t3rm3y said:
why have they put an old model processor in there? why not the MSM8255?
i am holding out for a little bit, i am due an upgrade now, but dont want to rush into buying this phone if something better is coming.
Plus want to see what modding can be done to the software / themes, 3rd party apps etc
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I have an HD7, it is lag free and very responsive, I think the processor will be up to the task as long as the coding is optimal.

Because having the next most powerful processor isn't important. It doesn't matter what kinda specs a device is running s long as the device runs well. Apple has proved that.
And from what I have seen, MP7 runs beautifully.

Lorddeff07 said:
Because having the next most powerful processor isn't important. It doesn't matter what kinda specs a device is running s long as the device runs well. Apple has proved that.
And from what I have seen, MP7 runs beautifully.
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True that.

Old processor?
Maybe this is a bad news to you, but it's good to me cause of my hd2.

I probably would have been crying about the same thing, if technology was growing by leaps and bounds. But its not right now, technology is kinda stagnate as of lately. Yes, the HD7 has the same processor as its predecessor the HD2, but its not a bad thing. especially now that the new rom has came out for the HD2, it feels faster than ever (you can go on the HD2 and Leo boards to attest for yourself). Another thing to remember, is that the new Windows Phone 7, is not an OS that needs a 2Ghz processor to run buttery smooth. I think that we are used to the PC ideology that the next thing should have a higher number than the last, in order to be considered and respectable upgrade. But even those Intel and AMD processors, reached their, threshold for raw computing power (for now) and the companies are now refining their codes, and drivers, in order to utilize and maximize peak performance out of what they already have. (That's why 4Ghz desktop processors aren't mainstream yet)
Another thing is the WP7 is standardized with base set requirements for internal specs. I truly doubt that you'll find a noticeable difference between all the launch devices behavior with the OS, because of their processors. The mail screen might open up a little quicker on one device, but again, that could be a driver code magic for the display adapter in a particular phone, so the one that "wins" in our mind, should have been the "newer, speedier" processor but because of the refinement and more developed drivers, the one that displayed the inbox quicker was the "older" processor. (I hope you guys got that...lol)
So what I'm trying to say at the end of the day, is it really doesn't matter about the processor spec, because whats inside the HD7 is more than plenty to run the OS and its apps very very nicely.

how to buy a Samsung Galaxy Tab S 10.5 with 64 bits CPU?

Hi everyone!
I want to buy the tablet Samsung Galaxy Tab S 10.5 for its amazing screen, but the 64bits world is already here.
I checked that the only versions with a 64 bits cpu are just SM-T805S, SM-T805K, and SM-T805L with the Exynos 5433 in Korea.
Does anyone know where to buy it without going in person to Korea?
Or does anyone know if there is another version(s) with 64bits cpu and where to buy it?
Thanks!

Why do you want a 64 bit CPU?

codified said:
Why do you want a 64 bit CPU?
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I'll bet he doesn't even know. Saying 64 "bits" tells me he isn't very knowledgeable with technology. He just heard it from somewhere.

bloodrain954 said:
I'll bet he doesn't even know. Saying 64 "bits" tells me he isn't very knowledgeable with technology. He just heard it from somewhere.
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Or you can just be nice and explain to him why the 64 bit version won't garner him any real world benefits right now...:highfive:

wow!! how nice people are around here!!!
even if I dont have very high knowledge in technologies, you just have to write on google "64 bits android" to really know that 64 bits in android is not making any high difference now. So it doesnt really matter and whoever can know that. But at the same time, you can also see that there are some improvements and other "stuff" (typical word that some of my kind use) that will be useful soon while the rest of the techolopy (or technoloki... or how was the word? oh yes! = t-e-c-h-n-o-l-o-g-y ) is progressing.
I am not very advanced and thats why I am writing here, sorry that I didnt passed the test to write here.
Anyway, my only stupid reason why I want a 64 bits CPU is because of the money. Coz I dont have a lot. And I am the kind of person that tries to buy something that will last many years coz I cant afford to change deviced regularly. I bought my last laptop 10 years ago, it worked 7 years... and since then, there is no laptop. But my personal life is not the matter, and I am not asking about laptops or why I want a tablet now.
But I need a tablet that will last untill burns, and the "64bits world" is starting developing and in two years or so... I dont want to have a tablet that I cant use with something because 32 bits doesnt supported... but this is just an opinion anyway...

All 'new' tablets will last for a long time. 64 bit won't make a difference. If you feel it does, get the nexus 9. But even Google knows 32bit devices won't be going anywhere for a LONG time. Hence the reason the Nexus 6 is "only" using a 32bit processor. I'll be busy currently enjoying my brand new 32bit tablet

Just order online nuff said!

Sorry, didn't mean to make you feel stupid. I ask the question because a lot of people go blindly seeking the latest marketing term without realising what it means
64-bit processors are the new craze since Apple released one and had all the publicity about it
But it doesn't add much at all, and it won't future-proof your phone like you might think it would
This is a good article to read:
http://www.androidauthority.com/note-4-64-bit-32-bit-android-l-536280/
Anyway, the Exynos 5433 processor that you are talking about is technically 64 bit architecture but will only run in 32 bit mode, so you aren't really getting any of the advantages of 64 bit. You will have to wait for the Exynos 7420 for true 64-bit performance.

codified said:
Sorry, didn't mean to make you feel stupid. I ask the question because a lot of people go blindly seeking the latest marketing term without realising what it means
64-bit processors are the new craze since Apple released one and had all the publicity about it
But it doesn't add much at all, and it won't future-proof your phone like you might think it would
This is a good article to read:
http://www.androidauthority.com/note-4-64-bit-32-bit-android-l-536280/
Anyway, the Exynos 5433 processor that you are talking about is technically 64 bit architecture but will only run in 32 bit mode, so you aren't really getting any of the advantages of 64 bit. You will have to wait for the Exynos 7420 for true 64-bit performance.
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You are right, 64-Bit processors are only really beneficial if you have the added memory to make good use of them, Apple's was only a gimmick when you consider they still only come with 1gb of RAM whereas most other devices not coming from Apple have 2gb or more.

lorinkundert said:
You are right, 64-Bit processors are only really beneficial if you have the added memory to make good use of them, Apple's was only a gimmick when you consider they still only come with 1gb of RAM whereas most other devices not coming from Apple have 2gb or more.
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Thats not true. A 64-Bit processor have more registers and handle processing generally faster than the 32-Bit, even if you don't run any 64-Bit code on it.

caravana said:
Thats not true. A 64-Bit processor have more registers and handle processing generally faster than the 32-Bit, even if you don't run any 64-Bit code on it.
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Not without more RAM it doesn't, I design mobile devices so I have a ton of experience.

lorinkundert said:
Not without more RAM it doesn't, I design mobile devices so I have a ton of experience.
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RAM has nothing to do with the processors architecture, and with all due respect, your experience is not an argument. About the ARM 64-Bit architecture I can quote the AnandTech guys here:
Architecturally, the Cortex A57 is much like a tweaked Cortex A15 with 64-bit support. The CPU is still a 3-wide/3-issue machine with a 15+ stage pipeline. ARM has increased the width of NEON execution units in the Cortex A57 (128-bits wide now?) as well as enabled support for IEEE-754 DP FP. There have been some other minor pipeline enhancements as well. The end result is up to a 20 - 30% increase in performance over the Cortex A15 while running 32-bit code. Running 64-bit code you'll see an additional performance advantage as the 64-bit register file is far simplified compared to the 32-bit RF.
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And here AnandTech does detailed arm 32bit vs 64bit performance comparison:
The conclusion? There are definitely reasons outside of needing more memory to go 64-bit.
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So yes, the ARM 64-bit architecture is generally faster than the 32-bit counterpart, because of enhancements that does not depend on the amount of RAM available.

lorinkundert said:
Not without more RAM it doesn't, I design mobile devices so I have a ton of experience.
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I have a feeling you don't.

to take full advantage of a 64-bit processor you'd need an operating system that is also 64-bit as well, more than 4GB of ram (since 32-bit has a limitation of 4GB ram), and apps that are 64-bit.
For the pace of technology I'd say applications in the server-world (SQL and stuff) have fully taken advantage of 64-bit architecture for 10ish years, desktops maybe in the past 6 or 7 years.
It really depends on what type of programs you're using because certain things use the CPU, other's use the GPU. This being for games and such.
Apps like MX Player would take advantage of the CPU. ART in Android Lollipop will do us well. Bottom line- way too many factors but I don't think anything coming out on Android will make good use of a 64-bit architecture for a few more years. I mean, anything that would need 64-bits is really a battle with "is this a battery-friendly app or some intense app that should really be on a desktop?" or something. 64-bit just isn't needed right now. Personally, I like when developers focus on making programs that work best in a low power environment like a mobile device architecture.
You're buying an octacore tablet which is the most high-end device right now. I'd say Android and the hardware won't get much more fancier fancier for the next year or 2 and, TBH, this tablet won't start feeling sluggish for maybe 4 or 5 years as far as technology typically progresses.

Here's a video by Linus Tech tips detailing 64 bit vs 32 bit in a more layman term:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IknbgnJLSRY

Thanks for your messages.
After reading all and watching videos... I see that 64bit is not a big difference now, but it won't be for a very long time either... so it will be a little bit like the current situation in deskpots: even if 64bits is generally seen in everything, everything (almost) is still compatible with 32 bits and companies still give support to 32 bits...
and, on top of everything, if the "highest" option with this tablet is the exynos 5433 64 bits but only runs in 32bits mode... it makes no sense.
so, according to this, my question would be: how this tablet is going to handle Android Lollipop with the exynos 5420? I mean, how does the exynos 5420 (32 bits) handle android lollipop (64bits)?

There is a 64 bit option on my kernel configuration file for Note Edge 5433 and if enabled + unlocked 64 bit bootloader + firmware = winner. The 5433 Tab S is the same and has been deliberately crippled by Samsung to keep it on par with the crappy Snapdragon 805 which won't be ready for 64 bit until mid-next year. Even then, SD performance and potential doesn't even come close to the Exynos.

Use CPU as help for main PC

As we can know, our phones have 8 cores, all Cortex 53, 64 bit.
Can someone make a program, to somehow make the phones cpu (or gpu/ram) to assist the PC through USB (wifi would be too slow..) Even if these 8 cores would work as one real cpu core, that would be nice I'm not the one who would use it + i can even pay if it's needed 5eu :d
Ideea seems to be easy, but in reality... I guess it is hard, cuz it need time for the information to go through usb-phone, to convert, to send it back etc... I read that it wasn't posibble some years ago, but now that we have ALL the same cpu (8 cortex 53 not 4a and 4b cores), + 64 bit

Usb port would be issue

Audriuskins said:
Usb port would be issue
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What would be the issue? Connection, i guess adb is good, too slow? Ahh

This is a joke, right?

BrainNotFound said:
This is a joke, right?
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Ya it is, BrainNotFound

You know that a single core of your pc is like 10x more powerful than all of those 8 cores right. Plus, sharing the core's tasks through USB wouldn't be feasiable.

myclarity said:
You know that a single core of your pc is like 10x more powerful than all of those 8 cores right. Plus, sharing the core's tasks through USB wouldn't be feasiable.
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What? 10x slower? But in some benchmarks it's actually really good, i believed that these 8 cores are at least as good as 1 cpu core... I mean secondary tasks, like ts/skype or something... Not main apps, like Photoshop or games

D1stRU3T0R said:
What? 10x slower? But in some benchmarks it's actually really good, i believed that these 8 cores are at least as good as 1 cpu core... I mean secondary tasks, like ts/skype or something... Not main apps, like Photoshop or games
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For that, you can easily install those apps on your phone.

myclarity said:
For that, you can easily install those apps on your phone.
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Right, but i can't ue some features + i need 2 headphones... One pc(hearing what i want) and one communicating

D1stRU3T0R said:
Right, but i can't ue some features + i need 2 headphones... One pc(hearing what i want) and one communicating
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Just install them on your pc? Teamspeak's performance impact isn't noticeable, nor would a phone help it in any way, especially a low end phone like this one...

myclarity said:
Just install them on your pc? Teamspeak's performance impact isn't noticeable, nor would a phone help it in any way, especially a low end phone like this one...
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It was just an example...

I'm kind of amazed nobody's pointed out that this is not and could not be possible.
The CPUs in our phones are what is called ARM technology [which is, in short, a less powerful and portable type of processor chipset]
Your desktop, I would assume, uses x86 or amd64 (a.k.a x86_64) technology which has a completely different instruction set.
Essentially, the application in question, would have to be specially modified to run on an ARM chipset - but you might as well upgrade your PC.
Not only that, the apps you mentioned (TeamSpeak [and Skype?]) already have mobile versions anyway; so could you not just download an app and use it on your phone?
Finally, (if you run Windows), you might want to open Task Manager and check what's maxing out and upgrade that component, because I bet it's probably your RAM and not the CPU anyway...

gbmasterdoctor said:
I'm kind of amazed nobody's pointed out that this is not and could not be possible.
The CPUs in our phones are what is called ARM technology [which is, in short, a less powerful and portable type of processor chipset]
Your desktop, I would assume, uses x86 or amd64 (a.k.a x86_64) technology which has a completely different instruction set.
Essentially, the application in question, would have to be specially modified to run on an ARM chipset - but you might as well upgrade your PC.
Not only that, the apps you mentioned (TeamSpeak [and Skype?]) already have mobile versions anyway; so could you not just download an app and use it on your phone?
Finally, (if you run Windows), you might want to open Task Manager and check what's maxing out and upgrade that component, because I bet it's probably your RAM and not the CPU anyway...
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Hi, i knowed all of this, but I didn't know that ARM can't process x86_x64 apps. My PC us giid enough, it's never running 100 ram or cpu, but still, little help won't be bad.

OS 32-bit or 64-bit

Can anybody please run a benchmark and confirm if the OS is 32 bit or 64 bit? I know Snapdragon 625 supports 64 bit OS. But Motorola put 32 bit OS previously on G5 plus. So just want to confirm.

jtrvk said:
Can anybody please run a benchmark and confirm if the OS is 32 bit or 64 bit? I know Snapdragon 625 supports 64 bit OS. But Motorola put 32 bit OS previously on G5 plus. So just want to confirm.
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32-bit.

Way to disappointing that G5s plus got 32bit while it can run 64bit perfectly -.- Lenovo really sux at software handling for sure camera quality ain't as expected way to much yellow color in low light pics and way to much sharpness in day light photos no natural colors are to be found in pics -.- my Nexus 5 can do better than this one imo and lastly what disappointed me was that in LTE network sim 1 net is always turned on in background I checked developers option agressive data is turned off but net is always on which tolls on ür price if u don't have free data which I usually don't since I'm always surrounded by wifi 24/7 my over all impression about this device is that it's only good at performance and battery life

Yes, I just spent a fun morning trying to get the Adfree YouTube apk working before I discovered that 64 bit architecture was the wrong one to be using. Banging my head against a wall because the Snapdragon 625 is 64 bit so there was no logic as to why it'd be the wrong one.
Mind you, I did like the post above mine - all this phone has got going for it is performance and battery life. Well, as I couldn't really give two hoots about anything else other than performance and battery life, it looks as if I've made a good choice for my new phone...

With oreo being 64bit we should see the real full utilization of this CPU when we get the update. I just got my confirmation that my phone shipped and i cant wait to mess with it.

SynisterWolf said:
With oreo being 64bit we should see the real full utilization of this CPU when we get the update. I just got my confirmation that my phone shipped and i cant wait to mess with it.
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what do you expect to happen with 64 bit? code is larger and you can access more than ~4 gigs of memory; handy on a 3gig phone.

Webern said:
what do you expect to happen with 64 bit? code is larger and you can access more than ~4 gigs of memory; handy on a 3gig phone.
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Power efficiency and preformance. I also bought the 4gb ram version.
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SynisterWolf said:
With oreo being 64bit we should see the real full utilization of this CPU when we get the update. I just got my confirmation that my phone shipped and i cant wait to mess with it.
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I thought Motorola has a put a hardware limitation by limiting the size of one of the buses to 32 bit or I could have totally misread something

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what do you expect to happen with 64 bit? code is larger and you can access more than ~4 gigs of memory; handy on a 3gig phone.
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64-bit required for Google camera HDR+ mod specifically

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I thought Motorola has a put a hardware limitation by limiting the size of one of the buses to 32 bit or I could have totally misread something
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I was under the impression that google will not support a 32bit Oreo and Motorola said this will be updated to Oreo. Do you remember where you saw the limitations?
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SynisterWolf said:
I was under the impression that google will not support a 32bit Oreo
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That is incorrect. Android Oreo supports 32-bit devices just like always.

SynisterWolf said:
I was under the impression that google will not support a 32bit Oreo and Motorola said this will be updated to Oreo. Do you remember where you saw the limitations?
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Sorry mate, not able to find it now. Will update as soon as I find the link
As I thought, I had misread something. The decision to use 32 bit comes from G5 where 2 GB and 3 GB versions could not make use of 64 bit OS. So they decided to go with 32bit altogether for G5 series. Maybe that's the reason it's still 32 bit on G5s series as well? Business decision wise it makes sense :| and for that price we can't really complain

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Sorry mate, not able to find it now. Will update as soon as I find the link
As I thought, I had misread something. The decision to use 32 bit comes from G5 where 2 GB and 3 GB versions could not make use of 64 bit OS. So they decided to go with 32bit altogether for G5 series. Maybe that's the reason it's still 32 bit on G5s series as well? Business decision wise it makes sense :| and for that price we can't really complain
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SynisterWolf said:
With oreo being 64bit we should see the real full utilization of this CPU when we get the update. I just got my confirmation that my phone shipped and i cant wait to mess with it.
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Do join our telegram development group. We have a couple test builds out too. Just text me @Manan44 on telegram.

After a lot of reading on 64bit vs 32bit on MSM8953 this SoC doesn't benefit to much while running a 64bit OS. This SoC was one of the earliest 64bit SoC that Qualcomm offered (for sale in Feb 2016). Comparing benchmarks (i know benchmarks arent the best way to compare devices, but i needed a repeatable source so that's what i used.) on both single core and multi core the overall efficiency was a minimal gain. like 1-3%.
It is smarter from a business stance that they would stick to 1 base for their G line and they picked 32bit. I was looking forward to having a 64bit device but it will have to wait.

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what do you expect to happen with 64 bit? code is larger and you can access more than ~4 gigs of memory; handy on a 3gig phone.
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Haha to be accurate 32Bit is more on side of saving battery and giving decent performance , 64Bit is about giving more performance and decent battery life , And last x86 is lot on performance and below avg with battery life
And I really wants 64Bit just to be able to run Google camera -.- and hope ported one to work well T~T

jtrvk said:
Can anybody please run a benchmark and confirm if the OS is 32 bit or 64 bit? I know Snapdragon 625 supports 64 bit OS. But Motorola put 32 bit OS previously on G5 plus. So just want to confirm.
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is Android OS 32bit on 64bit CPU Arm, not is 64bit OS
but is support OS

clriboli said:
is Android OS 32bit on 64bit CPU Arm, not is 64bit OS
but is support OS
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Yes that is the point. Even though the processor supports 64-bit OS, moto decided to put 32-bit OS (understandable business decision). I was just curious to know since Google Camera HDR+ currently works only on 64-bit OS.

Reson behind 32 bit os is as the architecture of cpu is 64 bit the 32 bit os will take 32 bit of thread space so 2 threads or two operations can run simultaneously boosting the device performance and battery whereas compared to 64 bit os will take 64 bit thread size and more ram and battery compared to 32 bit thats the reason behind 32 bit os but afterall dosent matter 4 gb ram and that snapdragon 625 processor can handle but battery can be a concern for heavy users.

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All i know is that this phone is not very stable , in android 12 onwards.
So i wouldn't use it, even MIUI is stuck in Android 11 for this device. They have it in A11 for a good reason.

jdd1996 said:
All i know is that this phone is not very stable , in android 12 onwards.
So i wouldn't use it, even MIUI is stuck in Android 11 for this device. They have it in A11 for a good reason.
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I just found out yesterday that Xiaomi isn't updating it to Android 12, which brought me here, to look up for new ROMs. You said "they have it in A11 for a good reason", referring to it not being very stable. I'm curious. Why do you say so?

glofern97 said:
I just found out yesterday that Xiaomi isn't updating it to Android 12, which brought me here, to look up for new ROMs. You said "they have it in A11 for a good reason", referring to it not being very stable. I'm curious. Why do you say so?
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Bare with me for 5-12 mins. You or may not agree with me, but it works like this in many ocassions.
Let's say i have a AMD A-5200 CPU , which is a cpu from 2013.
OR - Let's say i have a Intel Pentium 4 P4 - 2.0Ghz from the year 2008
OK? ok the example starts with 2 weak cpu's from ANCIENT TIMES now...
What OS can/would you install in those CPU's?
A Pentium 4 2.0 has 400 MHz. EACH 100mhz translates more or less to 5-15 khz of electrical power the cpu needs to process the information, the data.
Since its so weak, in windows10 or 11 when you open microsoft word 2020 or open office, it will LAG! because the overlay/background OS' is already consuming around 200ghz, all those 400 mhz of cpu power
(Animations, and Cortana, and simply the theme of the wallpaper, and the Registry, and Services, AND even USB peripherical drivers ARE ALL CONSUMING CPU POWER AT ONCE, and at high demands because the OS' Requests it with its kernel )
Since the core memory is so weak! you will most likely be installing windows xp or windows 7 if you're lucky !
BUT if you install windows 11 or 10, you will face unconsistent algorythmical graphic/memory processes
(This is what we call lag) core processing and clock problems, " MEMORY LEAKING problems " or over saturations of the system.
A CPU CONTAINS something called MMU's Memory management unit's, well they start to become obsolete unless you reball and resolder the cpu,
SAME applies if i tried to install LATEST FEDORA OR ARCH LINUX OS's , right? WHY would there be problems?
Because kernels are being update to be version 6.2 today, and that demands a constant clock and processing.
For the AMD A6-5200, Linux and windows 7 would be good options, but for the Pentium 4 2.0ghz of 2008 only windows 7 and Linux with low kernel version of 5 or 5.2 are acceptable.
So these techs at xiomi think similarly, on top of that the Storage of the OS increases, the RAM demand, CPU demand increases with each version, so when you boot your game (mostly the demanding apps) when you boot your designer pen drawing app, IT WILL LAG , perhaps not noticeably for the user in android 12 or 13, BUT AS VERSIONS WILL CONTINUE TO PASS, in Android 13-14 , we will see how this Xiomi Redmi 9A , ITS PROCESSOR and its weak 2gb will not be enough to process/render the datas and assets of the newest OS's
hahaha all that to say, sorry i got inspired " They need to optimize the OS's in the future maybe then we may be able to install newer OS's on older phones " Its like putting android 12 on an Android 8.1 Oreo phone, you understand? First of all an error will prompt saying " Allocating space of data : Error insufficient Space " AND EVEN IF YOU HAD THE SPACE? Lets say we hack the phone and give it 64gb of memory, and give it perfect partitions. ONCE IT BOOTS It will actually have problems, lag, while using the demanding apps.
The newer OS's Versions request mooore Ram , moore CPU powa, more storage space that redmi 9a doesn't have! uhum !
why? cuz the functions actually got smarter uhum !
Dont you see how newer phones have 64 gb of space all by default, tecnology thinks to advance and milk people over and over. They could add 200 gb of space, but no... (Lets wait until its necessary so we can reap the people)
One day an OS SYSTEM will be 25-35 and even 45GB SIZE ! AND THAT DAY YOUR 64 Gb will look like its too small, so you will need to buy the 120-200gb version phone.
Our PC motherboards, cpu's, phones all get old and so obsolete with time, all we can do is recycle them, melt them and make a new modern one, resolder, reball them. That's just how the modern industry works today. You cant just hope to upgrade your old junk/Hardware with the latest Software. One day we will get Android 15, A17 too its already planned ! and this phone will not run it, forget it , hoperfully we will be using opensource Linux OS's even more optimized tweaked than what google and these companies can do in the future. NOT BASED on Android 15 or 17.
You cant just hope to put the new hotdog on the old bread. At least not with the current technology/society

Please, can anyone who's installed this ROM report on whether or not manual camera controls (technically referred to as camera2 API) are available on this ROM either while using a 3rd party camera app (like Manual Camera, Open Camera, etc) or the LOS camera.
I'm considering going from MIUI 12.5 on Redmi 9A to this ROM.
Thanks.

jdd1996 said:
Bare with me for 5-12 mins. You or may not agree with me, but it works like this in many ocassions.
Let's say i have a AMD A-5200 CPU , which is a cpu from 2013.
OR - Let's say i have a Intel Pentium 4 P4 - 2.0Ghz from the year 2008
OK? ok the example starts with 2 weak cpu's from ANCIENT TIMES now...
What OS can/would you install in those CPU's?
A Pentium 4 2.0 has 400 MHz. EACH 100mhz translates more or less to 5-15 khz of electrical power the cpu needs to process the information, the data.
Since its so weak, in windows10 or 11 when you open microsoft word 2020 or open office, it will LAG! because the overlay/background OS' is already consuming around 200ghz, all those 400 mhz of cpu power
(Animations, and Cortana, and simply the theme of the wallpaper, and the Registry, and Services, AND even USB peripherical drivers ARE ALL CONSUMING CPU POWER AT ONCE, and at high demands because the OS' Requests it with its kernel )
Since the core memory is so weak! you will most likely be installing windows xp or windows 7 if you're lucky !
BUT if you install windows 11 or 10, you will face unconsistent algorythmical graphic/memory processes
(This is what we call lag) core processing and clock problems, " MEMORY LEAKING problems " or over saturations of the system.
A CPU CONTAINS something called MMU's Memory management unit's, well they start to become obsolete unless you reball and resolder the cpu,
SAME applies if i tried to install LATEST FEDORA OR ARCH LINUX OS's , right? WHY would there be problems?
Because kernels are being update to be version 6.2 today, and that demands a constant clock and processing.
For the AMD A6-5200, Linux and windows 7 would be good options, but for the Pentium 4 2.0ghz of 2008 only windows 7 and Linux with low kernel version of 5 or 5.2 are acceptable.
So these techs at xiomi think similarly, on top of that the Storage of the OS increases, the RAM demand, CPU demand increases with each version, so when you boot your game (mostly the demanding apps) when you boot your designer pen drawing app, IT WILL LAG , perhaps not noticeably for the user in android 12 or 13, BUT AS VERSIONS WILL CONTINUE TO PASS, in Android 13-14 , we will see how this Xiomi Redmi 9A , ITS PROCESSOR and its weak 2gb will not be enough to process/render the datas and assets of the newest OS's
hahaha all that to say, sorry i got inspired " They need to optimize the OS's in the future maybe then we may be able to install newer OS's on older phones " Its like putting android 12 on an Android 8.1 Oreo phone, you understand? First of all an error will prompt saying " Allocating space of data : Error insufficient Space " AND EVEN IF YOU HAD THE SPACE? Lets say we hack the phone and give it 64gb of memory, and give it perfect partitions. ONCE IT BOOTS It will actually have problems, lag, while using the demanding apps.
The newer OS's Versions request mooore Ram , moore CPU powa, more storage space that redmi 9a doesn't have! uhum !
why? cuz the functions actually got smarter uhum !
Dont you see how newer phones have 64 gb of space all by default, tecnology thinks to advance and milk people over and over. They could add 200 gb of space, but no... (Lets wait until its necessary so we can reap the people)
One day an OS SYSTEM will be 25-35 and even 45GB SIZE ! AND THAT DAY YOUR 64 Gb will look like its too small, so you will need to buy the 120-200gb version phone.
Our PC motherboards, cpu's, phones all get old and so obsolete with time, all we can do is recycle them, melt them and make a new modern one, resolder, reball them. That's just how the modern industry works today. You cant just hope to upgrade your old junk/Hardware with the latest Software. One day we will get Android 15, A17 too its already planned ! and this phone will not run it, forget it , hoperfully we will be using opensource Linux OS's even more optimized tweaked than what google and these companies can do in the future. NOT BASED on Android 15 or 17.
You cant just hope to put the new hotdog on the old bread. At least not with the current technology/society
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I appreciate your detailed response. So the bottom line is that it's not advisable to put a Ferrari's engine in a Beetle. Also, about what you said, a future smartphone taking 45 GB of HD for system space is wild lol
I bought a Xiaomi Redmi 9A last month and I didn't know it could be so laggy. It works fine for the most part, but there are times I see some noticeable lag, probably because of the reason you mentioned, i.e. A11 (MIUI 12.5) is consuming a lot of its spare 2 GB RAM, though I think this is probably more caused by MIUI and its bloatware than purely Android 11 alone. I have Lineage OS 19 (which is A12) installed on a Galaxy S6, whose hardware specs are somewhat similar to Redmi 9A, and it doesn't cause any noticeable lag. I suspect that installing A11/A12 (but not MIUI!) on Redmi 9A may increase its performance, since it doesn't come with bloatware. What do you think?

glofern97 said:
I appreciate your detailed response. So the bottom line is that it's not advisable to put a Ferrari's engine in a Beetle. Also, about what you said, a future smartphone taking 45 GB of HD for system space is wild lol
I bought a Xiaomi Redmi 9A last month and I didn't know it could be so laggy. It works fine for the most part, but there are times I see some noticeable lag, probably because of the reason you mentioned, i.e. A11 (MIUI 12.5) is consuming a lot of its spare 2 GB RAM, though I think this is probably more caused by MIUI and its bloatware than purely Android 11 alone. I have Lineage OS 19 (which is A12) installed on a Galaxy S6, whose hardware specs are somewhat similar to Redmi 9A, and it doesn't cause any noticeable lag. I suspect that installing A11/A12 (but not MIUI!) on Redmi 9A may increase its performance, since it doesn't come with bloatware. What do you think?
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I correct myself Android 13-14 can run on this phone, we have swap memory, and ways to increase the size of it, today i added 6GB of Swap memory. It makes the phone faster by 15%-20% (That can help to compensate)
But yes, at some point there will be too much size and beef inside a ROM, each linux distro today is 16 gb, they plan to drive Android to have even more functionalities, more compatibility with the pc, a more polished level, the system will get a bit bigger and become sluggish at some point, unless someone does something about it right, thats where the open source developers come in? But by personal experience, i use android since 2012, HTC ONE S, Blu Studio G2 HD, Samsung Galaxy S5 -- the higher you go in Version, the more lag you will encounter for gaming, or daily usage (SPECIALLY IF YOU USE MTK- Mediatek Cpu like this phone has, mtk is very bad compared to snapdragon, and the years of experience have proven it )
For this phone im using Android 11 CRDroid - This is my daily driver
CRDroid v316 GSI (Variant of AOSP-Phh-treble + CRDroid)
You're stuck on MIUI 12.5.4.0 and you cant flash a working custom recovery? You're too lazy or too newbish to build your own? Cant flash any Custom Rom? Well you can just learn how to flash these TREBLE PHH Images, GSI-AOSP based images. Here i...
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jdd1996 said:
I correct myself Android 13-14 can run on this phone, we have swap memory, and ways to increase the size of it, today i added 6GB of Swap memory. It makes the phone faster by 15%-20% (That can help to compensate)
But yes, at some point there will be too much size and beef inside a ROM, each linux distro today is 16 gb, they plan to drive Android to have even more functionalities, more compatibility with the pc, a more polished level, the system will get a bit bigger and become sluggish at some point, unless someone does something about it right, thats where the open source developers come in? But by personal experience, i use android since 2012, HTC ONE S, Blu Studio G2 HD, Samsung Galaxy S5 -- the higher you go in Version, the more lag you will encounter for gaming, or daily usage (SPECIALLY IF YOU USE MTK- Mediatek Cpu like this phone has, mtk is very bad compared to snapdragon, and the years of experience have proven it )
For this phone im using Android 11 CRDroid - This is my daily driver
CRDroid v316 GSI (Variant of AOSP-Phh-treble + CRDroid)
You're stuck on MIUI 12.5.4.0 and you cant flash a working custom recovery? You're too lazy or too newbish to build your own? Cant flash any Custom Rom? Well you can just learn how to flash these TREBLE PHH Images, GSI-AOSP based images. Here i...
forum.xda-developers.com
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It seems MediaTek CPU is not only slower in terms of performance, but also hard to work with when intending to use a custom ROM. I haven't found any official release of a custom ROM for this phone model, "dandelion". LineageOS, Pixel Experience and alike websites; none of them list it. Looking up, it seems this is because there's no open-source version of a firmware for MediaTek chipsets. Lesson learnt to stay away from it on my future purchases.
I may try out the custom ROM you shared if I get stressed enough with the lags. Thanks!

glofern97 said:
It seems MediaTek CPU is not only slower in terms of performance, but also hard to work with when intending to use a custom ROM. I haven't found any official release of a custom ROM for this phone model, "dandelion". LineageOS, Pixel Experience and alike websites; none of them list it. Looking up, it seems this is because there's no open-source version of a firmware for MediaTek chipsets. Lesson learnt to stay away from it on my future purchases.
I may try out the custom ROM you shared if I get stressed enough with the lags. Thanks!
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I love how you said it hahaha , Placing a 2020 Ferrari engine inside a little Bettle or 1998 Ford Fiesta, correct !
It wont fit, or it will have problems, well i come from Android 2.0 , 4.1 , 6.0 marshmellow. I know very well in my old phones i cant flash android 10-11 onwards. Specially because the Internal Memory is of 8 or 16gb , very small.
And because of performance.
Oh yes Xiaomi would never release anything official for Custom Roms hahaha thats like asking the developer to give up on their own creation MIUI ... Which is something i doubt those chinese people can do, they cant even speak proper english. They are all about limiting the user, control their environment, milk them slowly by forcing them to buy many devices, take advantage of their ignorance and bloat their device, polute and make the user feel bad because that makes the client more compulsive, block root with accounts, sell their data, prevent rolling back versions, yet sell at cheap price so that poor people buy us always. Even a Samsung Galaxy S5 from 2015 is faster than this phone and more capable of doing more Linux functions.
It all has a "Chinese" psychology.
There are certainly Roms for mediatek , thats why AOSP Phhusson was released was created too. Mediatek is not only a bit confusing to work with but also Mediatek is simply limited in terms of kernel functions and performance in many devices, yes. Today i can straight forwardly say " Its crap or not so good compared to snapdragon-qualcom " its like comparing AMD GPU with Nvidia right? AMD - Snapdragon are the straight winners for me inside the Linux Kernel. Linux Environment. Nvidia is only good for Windows lately. Right now im trying to create a Regulatory.db , Regulatory.bin , trying to build a new CRDA - Central Regulatory Domain Agent inside this mediatek phone, to increase our wifi range, and its confusing for rookies, indeed. Its like they're telling us in our faces " You cannot change that, thats ilegal " BUT IM A HUMAN BEING I WANNA CHANGE THAT ! i wanna have incredible wifi range, or fry my chip by putting txpower 60 or 30 , who are you to prevent me from doing whatever i want Mediatek or Xiaomi?
ALSO this phone COULD have monitor mode, negated ,they cancelled that with the cpu and the programmed instructions. The kernel, who are you to take away my wifi modes? WHICH HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PRESENT inside ANY Linux Desktop!! So no moral for them to take away functions from the device thats is NEWER.
They basically insulted us, i bought it just to see the insult and now i kinda just play with this phone seeking to fry it or hack it/improve it, i really dont care anymore about what happens to it. But looking forward for the best.
If we do lsmod on the terminal with root. This phone has wmt_chrdev_wifi - wmt_drv which are actually Linux generic conventional names for wifi chips/drivers -- This obfuscated wifi chip/driver name could actually be a
" MT6631 wifi chip " OR " WCN685x " or " mt7615 " either way this chipset could be from 2012-2013, so they placed a 2012 piece on a 2020 phone. The fact that simple commands dont work
mt6357_accdet is actually the name of the IC controller for LED screen and battery.
If we do getprop | grep baseband
The RADIO for SIM CARD, is called LCSH_QOMP1_MT6762_SP (LWCTG_6177M_G)
But everything is so obfuscated and hidden, closed source.
Either way other Older Wifi Chipsets are 2-8 times better than this one. 2014 wifi chip with monitor mode - mt7612 - 5 times stronger. You know why they placed an older chip without mon mode on a new phone? Cuz they know it can get dangerous, but thats not the right approach with us. They messed up big time. They're winning enemies. Witchcraft. They have no idea what HACKING - PROGRAMMING truly means, or how far it can go, once we hack existence and the Soul, we program reality further than the physical and the visual, we're gonna be on the real domain.

jdd1996 said:
I love how you said it hahaha , Placing a 2020 Ferrari engine inside a little Bettle or 1998 Ford Fiesta, correct !
It wont fit, or it will have problems, well i come from Android 2.0 , 4.1 , 6.0 marshmellow. I know very well in my old phones i cant flash android 10-11 onwards. Specially because the Internal Memory is of 8 or 16gb , very small.
And because of performance.
Oh yes Xiaomi would never release anything official for Custom Roms hahaha thats like asking the developer to give up on their own creation MIUI ... Which is something i doubt those chinese people can do, they cant even speak proper english. They are all about limiting the user, control their environment, milk them slowly by forcing them to buy many devices, take advantage of their ignorance and bloat their device, polute and make the user feel bad because that makes the client more compulsive, block root with accounts, sell their data, prevent rolling back versions, yet sell at cheap price so that poor people buy us always. Even a Samsung Galaxy S5 from 2015 is faster than this phone and more capable of doing more Linux functions.
It all has a "Chinese" psychology.
There are certainly Roms for mediatek , thats why AOSP Phhusson was released was created too. Mediatek is not only a bit confusing to work with but also Mediatek is simply limited in terms of kernel functions and performance in many devices, yes. Today i can straight forwardly say " Its crap or not so good compared to snapdragon-qualcom " its like comparing AMD GPU with Nvidia right? AMD - Snapdragon are the straight winners for me inside the Linux Kernel. Linux Environment. Nvidia is only good for Windows lately. Right now im trying to create a Regulatory.db , Regulatory.bin , trying to build a new CRDA - Central Regulatory Domain Agent inside this mediatek phone, to increase our wifi range, and its confusing for rookies, indeed. Its like they're telling us in our faces " You cannot change that, thats ilegal " BUT IM A HUMAN BEING I WANNA CHANGE THAT ! i wanna have incredible wifi range, or fry my chip by putting txpower 60 or 30 , who are you to prevent me from doing whatever i want Mediatek or Xiaomi?
ALSO this phone COULD have monitor mode, negative ,they cancelled that with the cpu and the programmed instructions. The kernel, who are you to take away my wifi modes? WHICH HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PRESENT inside ANY Linux Desktop!! So no moral for them to take away functions from the device thats is NEWER.
They basically insulted us, i bought it just to see the insult and now i kinda just play with this phone seeking to fry it or hack it/improve it, i really dont care anymore about what happens to it. But looking forward for the best.
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Interesting way to look at it. Seeing phones as a political strategy of customer control and profiting out of their data. I hadn't thought this way, but makes sense lol After all, Chinese government is all about limiting and controlling people...
It seems your use case is different than mine. I bought this phone only because I was needing a dual-chip phone for my daily usage (Galaxy S6 is single chip), and it was on a promotion. I had heard good things of Xiaomi from friends who bought their phones, although they hadn't bought this one model specifically. I would really like to use a custom ROM, but the unofficial ones aren't "bulletproof" for this device, as users have reported some bugs. It's safer to stay in the stock ROM side for the time being
I looked up on this Project Treble. Interesting stuff. They are trying to abstract away the firmware code if I understand it correctly. Does that mean that there's hope for MediaTek devices to get support in the future and work smoothly with A13 custom ROMs?

jdd1996 said:
Samsung Galaxy S5 from 2015 is faster than this phone ....
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I can confirm that my LG V20 (released in 2016 but purchased in 2021) can run circles around this Redmi 9A (which I also own), granted one is a flagship with 4GB/64GB while the other is entry-level with 2GB/32GB. But I didn't expect the performance gap to be this wide given the years in between. On the Redmi 9A (2GB), multitasking is 99% impossible; lag is terrible (even double tap to wake is 60% a failure due to lag). I'm not a developer, but I think Xiaomi cut too many corners with the storage speed and/or RAM rather than the processor itself. That's why I'm hoping a lighter ROM like this one can help.

MaverickNextDoor said:
I can confirm that my LG V20 (released in 2016 but purchased in 2021) can run circles around this Redmi 9A (which I also own), granted one is a flagship with 4GB/64GB while the other is entry-level with 2GB/32GB. But I didn't expect the performance gap to be this wide given the years in between. On the Redmi 9A (2GB), multitasking is 99% impossible; lag is terrible (even double tap to wake is 60% a failure due to lag). I'm not a developer, but I think Xiaomi cut too many corners with the storage speed and/or RAM rather than the processor itself. That's why I'm hoping a lighter ROM like this one can help.
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I did some testing yesterday on another phone I have here, a Samsung Galaxy S4, which has 2GB RAM and runs on Lineage OS 18 (A11). It shouldn't be a surprise that this Galaxy S4 does way better multitasking than Redmi 9A.
I compared the usage of RAM for Android System in the Memory Usage settings app, and it turns out that they are roughly using the same amount of RAM. MIUI's use is around 600 MB, whereas Lineage OS is around 500 MB. That is, only 100 MB of difference. From that, one can assume that it's rather the processor usage that sucks: MIUI is probably using more CPU resources to run its "good-looking", yet heavy interface, whereas LineageOS doesn't, since its interface is simpler.
The downside of those older phones is that their battery drains out way faster. Redmi 9A's battery lasts for a whole day with Wi-Fi turned on. That's one upside of this phone

Lets hope for easier kernel installs, low sized and performance optimized roms in the future. I suggest waiting, for Android 14-15. When the projects and batches are out patched, improved, tested, we can then cater. Yes the phone boots at least haha. 2Gb ram, Helio 25 ! arm32_binder64 - A64 bits !

Maksieku.Tech said:
WHAT WORKS?:
-Wi-Fi - vendor q needed
-BlueTooth - vendor q needed
-RIL
-GPS
-- WHAT DOESN'T WORK? --
Smoothness, thats it
if there are more bugs please report them​Official LineageOS Site: lineageos.org​H O W T O C L E A N I N S T A L L​
1. Use Reccomended recovery (OrangeFox)
2. Wipe Cache & Dalvik data
3. and Format Data
4. Flash vendor Q
5. Flash ROM
6. Reboot
(optional) 7. After Configuring (or turning on the OS) install GAPPS in recovery.
Hope it works
DOWNLOAD LINKS:
ROM
VENDOR Q
SOURCE CODE: S O U R C E
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wich gapps i need to install

AlphaJF972 said:
wich gapps i need to install
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I used BiTGapps, works perfectly

Maksieku.Tech said:
​ROM
VENDOR Q
SOURCE CODE: S O U R C E
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Where I can get device tree sources to build it from source?
Want to fix some bugs and rebuild for vendor R