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Android 4.4.2 Camera test

Hi all I just received the OTA for Android 4.4.2 so have put together a before and after comparing 4.4 to 4.4.2 for the Nexus 5 camera. Includes some full crop images and video capture as well as the all important autofocus test.
Very pleased with the results looks like Google have made big improvements all round to the camera.

You've obviously not tried the camcorder in dim light?
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Thx for the vid man!
Ben36 said:
You've obviously not tried the camcorder in dim light?
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Why do you put a question mark at the end of a statement you clearly don't look for an answer to?

Because Google haven't made improvements, they've ballsed it up since 4.4!
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Ben36 said:
Because Google haven't made improvements, they've ballsed it up since 4.4!
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Maybe for you.. camcorder exposure is fine for me.
Stock 4.4.2 odexed

BoneXDA said:
Thx for the vid man!
Why do you put a question mark at the end of a statement you clearly don't look for an answer to?
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because it's what we call a rhetorical question....

Ben36 said:
You've obviously not tried the camcorder in dim light?
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I've tried it in dim light and find the noise to be ok, better than the S4 not as good as HTC One (to be expected)
ISO is ramping more aggressively in still images IMO but not a deal breaker, looks better than the S4 anyway.

The screen is really, really dark in dim light. And the video itself is also really dark.
Case and point, i went to a bar with my girlfriend to eat something. I decided to record something using the camcorder, and well. I'll let the results speak for themselves. It looked like the lights were out in the place. I wish I had thought to take pictures, because it certainly wasn't as dark as the video would lead you to believe.
https://plus.google.com/+HectorCaceres/posts/WGZ3kZHNMj6

Sampson0420 said:
because it's what we call a rhetorical question....
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No it's not. A rhetorical question is still a form of question, "you've obviously not tried the camcorder in dim light" however is not, so the use of question mark is inappropriate? (See what I did there? <-- rhetorical question.)

xybur said:
The screen is really, really dark in dim light. And the video itself is also really dark.
Case and point, i went to a bar with my girlfriend to eat something. I decided to record something using the camcorder, and well. I'll let the results speak for themselves. It looked like the lights were out in the place. I wish I had thought to take pictures, because it certainly wasn't as dark as the video would lead you to believe.
https://plus.google.com/+HectorCaceres/posts/WGZ3kZHNMj6
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Is that with the 4.4.2 or 4.4.1 update installed?

androidizen said:
Is that with the 4.4.2 or 4.4.1 update installed?
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I went 4.4->4.4.1->4.4.2
When I recorded that video, I used 4.4.1.
I tested later and had the same behavior in 4.4.2.

androidizen said:
I've tried it in dim light and find the noise to be ok, better than the S4 not as good as HTC One (to be expected)
ISO is ramping more aggressively in still images IMO but not a deal breaker, looks better than the S4 anyway.
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I'm starting to think that we're all seeing the same thing and just coming up with different interpretations due to subjective differences. There's no other reason that everyone would be having such wildly different results using the same software and hardware.
All I know is that video recording on my phone in low light is MUCH, MUCH darker than it was on either 4.4 or 4.4.1. I wish I had taken some screenies before updating to show you.

xybur said:
The screen is really, really dark in dim light. And the video itself is also really dark.
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Are the results with 4.4 much better? This has really got to be on the edge of what the sensor can do in video so the results don't surprise me.

for anyone wondering about the dimmer picture in the video ,
i made a little example here
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3W...it?usp=sharing
( dont have to download to view)
im not complaining , just showing what people are saying

haydonxda said:
Are the results with 4.4 much better? This has really got to be on the edge of what the sensor can do in video so the results don't surprise me.
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Uhh, actually I remember I have another low light recording that I did on 4.4 when I was in a restaurant. Very low ambient lighting. The test was more to see the image stabilization during recording, but the lighting was comparable to the bar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwFhXib0pZk

xybur said:
Uhh, actually I remember I have another low light recording that I did on 4.4 when I was in a restaurant. Very low ambient lighting. The test was more to see the image stabilization during recording, but the lighting was comparable to the bar.
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Those two videos have completely different lighting. If you took a light meter into those two places (restaurant vs bar) you'll find that the bar is really much darker.
I'm not saying that 4.4.1/2 isn't worse - just that these two videos don't make a good comparison.

haydonxda said:
Those two videos have completely different lighting. If you took a light meter into those two places (restaurant vs bar) you'll find that the bar is really much darker.
I'm not saying that 4.4.1/2 isn't worse - just that these two videos don't make a good comparison.
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What's funny is that I had spotlighting right above my head (direct, LED bright lighting) IN the bar at the table I was sitting at, which would make it look like stage lighting.
But it looks as if it's horrendously dark in there and all of the ambient LED's look like christmas lights thanks to the recording and the contrast of light sources. Trust me when I say it was a lot brighter in the bar than the video would lead you to believe.

My 4.4.2 pictures.
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xybur said:
The screen is really, really dark in dim light. And the video itself is also really dark.
Case and point, i went to a bar with my girlfriend to eat something. I decided to record something using the camcorder, and well. I'll let the results speak for themselves. It looked like the lights were out in the place. I wish I had thought to take pictures, because it certainly wasn't as dark as the video would lead you to believe.
https://plus.google.com/+HectorCaceres/posts/WGZ3kZHNMj6
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That looks exactly like I would expect a video from a dimly lit bar to look.

I didn't think to take any photos at the time, but the difference between the photo viewfinder mode and the camcorder mode was incredibly noticeable, very similar to the screen caps of the viewfinders posted in the 4.4.2 first thoughts thread.
edit: Here is the thread if you somehow missed it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2562886

Entire video made with Note 9 camera

Hi everyone.
I have spent last 4 weeks to make short video using Note 9 exclusively. The idea was to check how far I can get using mobile phone camera only and get result which would be satisfying for YT or even further. Note 9 seemed to me the best for the purpose. To do so, I sent my Note 9 120 meters to the sky attached to the drone, drowned it in a pond and finally travelled around Yorkshire in UK to get some footage. As a result I just published today video on YT and my main interest is to find out if people can really say difference. I have used Davinci Resolve in post production. Colours are changed slightly to make it look “film like”.
I didn't want to make just moving pictures so there is a story. Don't judge me too harsh however.. I am not an actor.
During the process of filming I have learnt a lot about note 9 camera and I believe I could make much better quality video now. It made me sure that it is possible to make quite serious production
with modern mobile phone if one wish to.
I hope everyone enjoy it.
Link didn't work so HERE is proper link

It's good. Well done you!

raul6 said:
It's good. Well done you!
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thanks

Was hoping to see some footage of Halifax.
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Limeybastard said:
Was hoping to see some footage of Halifax.
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to be honest I was thinking of Halifax a lot but unfortunately didn't manage to go there I thought about view from A58 road just when it enters to the town

Great video man!! Someone should contact Samsung they need to see this, possibly add you in their commercial. I have also noted amazing video quality, pic quality still feels to soft tho but its ok
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flak0 said:
Great video man!! Someone should contact Samsung they need to see this, possibly add you in their commercial. I have also noted amazing video quality, pic quality still feels to soft tho but its ok
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Thanks man I really appreciate your words. Comments like this is like getting the best possible award )) Thanks

Nice effort..lol
You really put it under water?
Hope it gets plenty of views on YT..

dgcruzing said:
Nice effort..lol
You really put it under water?
Hope it gets plenty of views on YT..
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well... I did. The water wasn't my biggest concern though... My biggest concern was when Note was attached to the drone 120 meters above me... This phone is huge... and made a huge resistance in the air... and because delicate suspension I had to construct and use to eliminate vibrations I was in constant fear it will detach from the drone and .... well ... I don't want even consider what would happen...
I am not very big on YT, so do not expect plenty of views but really appreciate your comment. Thanks

I've done a few videos with the Note 9 so far and have found it to be exceptional.
See here: https://youtu.be/k-15LfCyyNg Including use of all slow motion modes as well. (Gets real dramatic around 4 minutes)
My BIGGEST complaint is the algorithm used for choosing either the telephoto lens or if there's not enough light it uses the wide lens with a sensor crop/digital zoom. In great daylight the telephoto looks just as crisp as the wide, but even the slightest bit of darkness, even pointing it directly at a sunset (seen here: https://youtu.be/jmApdV_P6Hk) and it flips over to the wide with a crop ruining the consistency. As most have noted, this same crap happens in "pro" mode as well.
I really wish in at least pro mode, Samsung would let the creator choose. I can mitigate sensor noise, I can't really mitigate lack of resolution.
Very well done on the film above! I'm impressed. Did you use Filmic Pro or the stock camera app and get the anamorphic crop in post?

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I've done a few videos with the Note 9 so far and have found it to be exceptional.
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Very nice videos of yours.
My idea was to make video with camera settings as they are. So I used original camera app at fully automatic. The only changes I have made were in post production
and I used Davinci Resolve 15 for both - adjusting colours and anamorphic crop.
I agree with you that "pro" mode should be fully pro I have not noticed the problem you described though. I need to check it.
My conclusion is that actually whatever we will say about mobile phone's cameras they are so good nowadays that with a bit of effort everyone can make videos like mine or yours ..

Night Mode Fuzzy During Pitch-black Scenario

I got the p30 pro couple of days ago. So far nothing much to complain as i've used the mate 20 pro as well so there's not much of a difference in the UI and stuff.
One thing i noticed though, i thought the p30 pro was able to see in pure darkness from all the reviews and **** on youtube but that doesn't seem to be the case though. Not sure if it's a problem with my unit or the same for the rest. Also worth noting that im on the 9.1.0.124 firmware. I guess that's the latest
Would appreciate it if anyone else can share their input on this. Attaching snapshots below. Thanks.

JJay666 said:
I got the p30 pro couple of days ago. So far nothing much to complain as i've used the mate 20 pro as well so there's not much of a difference in the UI and stuff.
One thing i noticed though, i thought the p30 pro was able to see in pure darkness from all the reviews and **** on youtube but that doesn't seem to be the case though. Not sure if it's a problem with my unit or the same for the rest. Also worth noting that im on the 9.1.0.124 firmware. I guess that's the latest
Would appreciate it if anyone else can share their input on this. Attaching snapshots below. Thanks.
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It can’t be pitch black. You must have some kind of light source but it does not need much to make its magic. I tested and could barley see anything in my bedroom. The iPhone gave me a black picture and the P30 Pro took a picture like it was daylight

Mine also doesnt capture anything in the dark.
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It works on night room you not setting night mod this is good with light, setting normal pictures with AI and working
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easycure1974 said:
It can’t be pitch black. You must have some kind of light source but it does not need much to make its magic. I tested and could barley see anything in my bedroom. The iPhone gave me a black picture and the P30 Pro took a picture like it was daylight
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Got it. Thought it could capture in pure darkness :highfive:

JJay666 said:
Got it. Thought it could capture in pure darkness :highfive:
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It almost can, but you need a liiiiitle bit of light which it can when utilize to make the picture. Pitch black needs infrared, really.
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Got it. Thought it could capture in pure darkness :highfive:
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It almost can, but you need a liiiiitle bit of light which it can when utilize to make the picture. Pitch black needs infrared, really.

Little Video from mine
https://youtu.be/4MIJJCCgAF0
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Which camera did you use? Its most effective with the main camera, in direct comparison the ultrawide just got me a black image and the main got me a slightly dark image but with everything visible.

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Little Video from mine
https://youtu.be/4MIJJCCgAF0
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Looks good, were there any lighting behind or something ?
nurps said:
Which camera did you use? Its most effective with the main camera, in direct comparison the ultrawide just got me a black image and the main got me a slightly dark image but with everything visible.
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Yeah the main cam in night mode option. But it was pitch darkness though. No light source.

Very very little light Bro you can see on my Video
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Black Crush?

So I've been watching a few videos on our Redmi K20 Pro(India) and I've realised that the video appears to be pixelated when it has darker scenes! Apparently, this issue is known as 'Black Crush' and now I can't unsee it especially when playing movies which are generally dark! Movies are unwatchable since all the darker color are crushed to black. Is there any fix for this? S9/S9+ used to suffer from similar issue and it was fixed by a software update! Will Xiaomi issue a fix if enough number of people have this issue?
More details about the issue: https://www.tomsguide.com/us/galaxy-s9-black-crush-display-issue,news-26969.html?
Example Video to Test your screen:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E3Bf3mq1Or8&feature=youtu.be

FallenJedi said:
So I've been watching a few videos on our Redmi K20 Pro(India) and I've realised that the video appears to be pixelated when it has darker scenes! Apparently, this issue is known as 'Black Crush' and now I can't unsee it especially when playing movies which are generally dark! Movies are unwatchable since all the darker color are crushed to black. Is there any fix for this? S9/S9+ used to suffer from similar issue and it was fixed by a software update! Will Xiaomi issue a fix if enough number of people have this issue?
More details about the issue: https://www.tomsguide.com/us/galaxy-s9-black-crush-display-issue,news-26969.html?
Example Video to Test your screen:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E3Bf3mq1Or8&feature=youtu.be
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I don't see it, I've used 4k quality on that video, it auto pics 360p and there's clear pixels but as soon as I pumped it upto 1080, 1440p and 4k I did not see any pixelation

sofir786 said:
I don't see it, I've used 4k quality on that video, it auto pics 360p and there's clear pixels but as soon as I pumped it upto 1080, 1440p and 4k I did not see any pixelation
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I'm not talking about pixelation due to lower resolution! If you look carefully at the darker areas of the video you can see blocks/pixels as if all the darker areas have been mixed/crushed together! You are lucky if you don't see it! Once you see it you can't unsee it just like the black bleeding issue of amoled. ?
BTW what is your ROM version?
PS: Lower your brightness to see black crush in all its glory.

Do u using refresh rate mod?

Kigung said:
Do u using refresh rate mod?
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Nope! The only mods i use is Energized for ad-blocking and Youtube Vanced!

Works fine for me.

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Nope! The only mods i use is Energized for ad-blocking and Youtube Vanced!
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I have this problem too when using refresh rate mod, but now I'm stick with no refresh rate mod and the black crush thing is disappears

FallenJedi said:
So I've been watching a few videos on our Redmi K20 Pro(India) and I've realised that the video appears to be pixelated when it has darker scenes! Apparently, this issue is known as 'Black Crush' and now I can't unsee it especially when playing movies which are generally dark! Movies are unwatchable since all the darker color are crushed to black. Is there any fix for this? S9/S9+ used to suffer from similar issue and it was fixed by a software update! Will Xiaomi issue a fix if enough number of people have this issue?
More details about the issue: https://www.tomsguide.com/us/galaxy-s9-black-crush-display-issue,news-26969.html?
Example Video to Test your screen:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E3Bf3mq1Or8&feature=youtu.be
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No crushing here, MiUI 11,IN.
I remember it was horrible on older Xiaomi Mi Note 2 but not present here
Is there a chance you've got a different panel than most?

ntmalol said:
Works fine for me.
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Could you please check it under lower brightness?

nakulp said:
No crushing here, MiUI 11,IN.
I remember it was horrible on older Xiaomi Mi Note 2 but not present here
Is there a chance you've got a different panel than most?
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I'm also using MiUi-11 IN! It is very obvious on my screen especially at lower brightness. I generally watch videos at night and have to keep my brightness at low! You don't have this issue even at lower brightness? BTW how to check what panel my phone has?

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Could you please check it under lower brightness?
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I did. I will record for you tomorrow from another phone.

FallenJedi said:
I'm not talking about pixelation due to lower resolution! If you look carefully at the darker areas of the video you can see blocks/pixels as if all the darker areas have been mixed/crushed together! You are lucky if you don't see it! Once you see it you can't unsee it just like the black bleeding issue of amoled. ?
BTW what is your ROM version?
PS: Lower your brightness to see black crush in all its glory.
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Either my eyes are really bad or I'm just not having this issue, I have a Chinese k20 pro on miui 11.0.2, my device has locked bootloader

ntmalol said:
I did. I will record for you tomorrow from another phone.
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Hey, thanks for the response! No need for video! I just wanted to make sure if it was ok or not! I guess I'll take mine to the service center in that case.

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Either my eyes are really bad or I'm just not having this issue, I have a Chinese k20 pro on miui 11.0.2, my device has locked bootloader
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I guess your device is fine then! I'll have to take mind to the service center! Thanks man! ?

Same issue
Hey, I'm facing the black crush issue in my redmi k20 pro with miui 12. It looks very worse. So, Xiaomi is using different panels for the same mobile model. Can it be fixed through the software updates.

Black crush in videos is NOT an hardware problem but rather a problem in colorspace of the video you are watching (virtually every streaming app suffers from this due to the compression they put the videos through)

Camera greyish pictures

Hi, I've just got my p4xl and when taking photos I keep getting this issue were some pictures looked washed out possibly even greyish. I'm taking these pictures in fluorescent lights (like most work places). Pictures below show the difference.

I'm guessing, with these to pics, it's because of the screen being on in the 2nd pic and it changed the white balance.
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EeZeEpEe said:
I'm guessing, with these to pics, it's because of the screen being on in the 2nd pic and it changed the white balance.
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The screen is on in both pictures and I never had this problem on my old pixel 2.

Rotten Ross said:
The screen is on in both pictures and I never had this problem on my old pixel 2.
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Yeah but one has it facing forward and the other is off angle. I'm guessing you don't have your Pixel 2 XL still to compare?
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EeZeEpEe said:
Yeah but one has it facing forward and the other is off angle. I'm guessing you don't have your Pixel 2 XL still to compare?
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No but I took thousands of pictures like these on my Pixel 2 previously and the white balance never did this. Also I've lost the ability to add portrait blur in Google photos

Rotten Ross said:
No but I took thousands of pictures like these on my Pixel 2 previously and the white balance never did this. Also I've lost the ability to add portrait blur in Google photos
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Well I still think it's a white balancing issue. I had the Pixel 2 XL as well.
Adding portrait blur in Google Photos isn't the camera app. Are you trying to add it to people or things because it only works on people. If you don't get the little pop-up for "Blur-background", try going to edit the photo and if you go to the sliders, you might see the "blur" option.
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EeZeEpEe said:
Well I still think it's a white balancing issue. I had the Pixel 2 XL as well.
Adding portrait blur in Google Photos isn't the camera app. Are you trying to add it to people or things because it only works on people. If you don't get the little pop-up for "Blur-background", try going to edit the photo and if you go to the sliders, you might see the "blur" option.
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It's definitely a white balance issue but how do I fix this? The same camera app on the P2 doesn't have this problem.
I know the blur has nothing to do with the camera app, just noticed I couldn't do on my new P4XL when I could on my P2. I know it was part of the feature drop just expected it to be on my new phone too

Rotten Ross said:
It's definitely a white balance issue but how do I fix this? The same camera app on the P2 doesn't have this problem.
I know the blur has nothing to do with the camera app, just noticed I couldn't do on my new P4XL when I could on my P2. I know it was part of the feature drop just expected it to be on my new phone too
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Try using the "auto" adjust in Google Photos. Helps a lot with white balance issues.
Portrait blur is in your new phone. Did you try what I suggested?
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EeZeEpEe said:
Try using the "auto" adjust in Google Photos. Helps a lot with white balance issues.
Portrait blur is in your new phone. Did you try what I suggested?
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Yeah, no blur slider but the toast option doesn't show up to make the picture a portrait pic, which is strange as I have the latest version of Google photos.

Rotten Ross said:
Yeah, no blur slider but the toast option doesn't show up to make the picture a portrait pic, which is strange as I have the latest version of Google photos.
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And just for clarification, you're trying with people right? Again, the toast option doesn't necessarily always appear. I've had it not appear and I still get the slider.
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EeZeEpEe said:
And just for clarification, you're trying with people right? Again, the toast option doesn't necessarily always appear. I've had it not appear and I still get the slider.
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Yes with people. No slider no toast. Hopefully it will reappear for me soon. Also hope I can find a solution for the bad white balance as I take lots of pictures for work.

Rotten Ross said:
Yes with people. No slider no toast. Hopefully it will reappear for me soon. Also hope I can find a solution for the bad white balance as I take lots of pictures for work.
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Just an example of how well auto does to fix white balance. Just saying.
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It does I'm prove it but no where near how it should be. I do appreciate the advice.

Just as another perspective, your initial images certainly don't appear washed out or 'grey'. I think the issue you're picking up on, as EeZeEpEe suggested, is white balanced based. Perhaps you're not aware, one of the differences between the 2xl and 4xl, is that the machine-learning-based white balance algorithm is supposed to produce more natural-looking images under harsh lighting conditions, but as it turns out, some edge cases can end up looking worse instead.

sstanton86 said:
Just as another perspective, your initial images certainly don't appear washed out or 'grey'. I think the issue you're picking up on, as EeZeEpEe suggested, is white balanced based. Perhaps you're not aware, one of the differences between the 2xl and 4xl, is that the machine-learning-based white balance algorithm is supposed to produce more natural-looking images under harsh lighting conditions, but as it turns out, some edge cases can end up looking worse instead.
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Ah I think you're talking about the really bad white balance issue it used to have?
https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/11/10/pixel-4-white-balance-bad-images/
I never had it even before the fix but that looked pretty terrible.
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Went for a run around sunset and took my post run selfie and the first picture the colour is unedited and the colours are off. The second one I had to edit to make the colours looked natural. I don't understand why it does this. Overall I'm happy with quality of the camera but it is a little annoying.

Sorry first post didn't load the picture

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Sorry first post didn't load the picture
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I think you uploaded the edited picture a second time. The unedited showed up sideways but I can see the color difference even so.
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EeZeEpEe said:
I think you uploaded the edited picture a second time. The unedited showed up sideways but I can see the color difference even so.
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The unedited one is more like the tone etc that I got with my P2. Although I took a picture today and the colours are fine just wish it would be consistent