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Dear all,
I have an idea to share with all my fellow Kaiser user. Since we have a camera, why don't we make use of it to check the ambience light and auto adjust the backlight according to the level of brightness sensed by the camera. Also, using the front camera, it should not be hard to check the orientation of the ppc, it would be nice if PIE or and browser adjust itself like the iphone did.
Just my 0.02. Hope this idea can help.
Elton
your idea is good, but has some "design flaws":
1. the camera adjusts the overall brightness automatically, so if this can't be disabled, it would be useless.
2. if you would point the camera at a white wall or a black something you would get different overall luminance, even if the ambient light is the same. again, useless.
RPG0 said:
2. if you would point the camera at a white wall or a black something you would get different overall luminance, even if the ambient light is the same. again, useless.
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Is there another parameter which is detectable which could allow for such a problem?
Dunno how to program at all, just thinking...
...what a bunch of tightarses these companies are not using a transflective screen.
Joe
RPG0 said:
your idea is good, but has some "design flaws":
1. the camera adjusts the overall brightness automatically, so if this can't be disabled, it would be useless.
2. if you would point the camera at a white wall or a black something you would get different overall luminance, even if the ambient light is the same. again, useless.
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the camera autoadjusts brightness for the picture you are taking, not for what it actually receives...
This application does exist for the PalmOS (caled BrightCam) and works beautifully. I truly miss this app on my Kaiser now. I wil inquire with the developer if he has plans on anyting for WM.
I was wondering what the little round window next to the home button is. It looks like some kind of an infrared sensor ?? You can barely see it, but it is there. It is about 1/8" round.
Any thoughts ?
It is a light sensor, for the auto-brightness feature.
fprice02 said:
It is a light sensor, for the auto-brightness feature.
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Which sadly doesn't seem to work, hopefully just a kernel module or configuration to fix it.
/mr
Hello guys
I was just experimenting with moto display of my device and I found this
Is it normal??
Link
youtu.be/_1JpP0l8nuk
Does it happen in ur phone also, please tell, I will ask for a replacement if it's abnormal
By the way the IR sensor's pink color light is visible only if I see them through my other phone's camera.
Sorry for my bad English
Sent from my XPERIA Z C6602
Infrared is visible on camera, but not to the naked eye. Any camera will pick it up.
http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/1y5ash/why_can_we_see_infrared_light_when_pointed_to_a/
I believe the OP is referring to the completely unresponsive Moto Display when either only both bottom IRs are visible or only his right IRs are visible.
I m not concerned with visibility of IR sensor I m concerned about the fact that moto display activates if i cover the bottom sensors but not if I cover the upper portion of screen
So is there anything wrong with the IR sensors at the bottom part
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utk_spartan said:
I m not concerned with visibility of IR sensor I m concerned about the fact that moto display activates if i cover the bottom sensors but not if I cover the upper portion of screen
So is there anything wrong with the IR sensors at the bottom part
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No there's nothing wrong with anything here. The IR sensors are disabled when the proximity sensor is blocked. This prevents the phone from keeping the IR sensors on while it's in your pocket.
Oh man I m relieved
I was thinking to get a replacement
Thank u all who replied
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So the IR sensors on the phone, the ones that are on each corner of the phone and detect movement so that it lights up the active display. Has anyone noticed this? When i wave my hands over the bottom ones, the screen doesn't light up, but if i wave my hand over the top one, it does. Does this mean my bottom ones aren't working? It hasn't really been a real problem, and I'm exchanging my phone for a different color anyway, but wondering if other can recreate this or if it is actually an issue.
Should only take a quick wave of your hand over the bottom bezel of the phone to see if the display turns on. Someone please take a second to let me know.
You have to be a certain height above the lower sensors for it to activate. I have the same issue.
I also have to look at the screen just right to make the screen stay on. Many times it starts to dim while I am reading and I have to adjust the phone. I also have to wave fairly high up to turn it on.
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I could be wrong but I believe you have to wave your hand completely over the display for it to function properly. So its not unintentionally turning on with every movement near it. The command is a hand wave over the display, not the bottom of the phone. So I believe its working as designed.
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I could be wrong but I believe you have to wave your hand completely over the display for it to function properly. So its not unintentionally turning on with every movement near it. The command is a hand wave over the display, not the bottom of the phone. So I believe its working as designed.
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I can make it activate by waving over the bottom half, but only when I do it a few inches above the screen.
i have the same problem.
nimper said:
I can make it activate by waving over the bottom half, but only when I do it a few inches above the screen.
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i can activate the sensors when approaching from the upper part of the screen.
But not from the lower half (sensors below the display).
when seen in very dark room i see all the sensors (upper two and lower two) light up red.
i know that when the upper part of the phone is covered ,the sensors don't work because if the proximity sensor senses dark then it means ur phone is in ur pocket.
should i get a replacement . (really worried)
i did reinstall the moto app, it didn't help.
My Moto X has the same issue.
Edit, covering the top sensor may make the phone think it is in a pocket. I can wave over the bottom of the phone with no response though.
doronster195 said:
So the IR sensors on the phone, the ones that are on each corner of the phone and detect movement so that it lights up the active display. Has anyone noticed this? When i wave my hands over the bottom ones, the screen doesn't light up, but if i wave my hand over the top one, it does. Does this mean my bottom ones aren't working? It hasn't really been a real problem, and I'm exchanging my phone for a different color anyway, but wondering if other can recreate this or if it is actually an issue.
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There's nothing wrong with your phone- the "sensors" at the bottom are just flashers and the actual IR receiver is in the top of the phone, so if you wave your hand too close to the bottom the receiver won't be able to pick it up.
Only the top right one wakes the device on mine.
I really doubt it's the IR. I believe it's the camera waking the device.
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mefxes said:
Only the top right one wakes the device on mine.
I really doubt it's the IR. I believe it's the camera waking the device.
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Why would you doubt something that is explicitly stated by the manufacturer? The IR sensor's sole purpose is for gestures, one of which is to show the Active Display.
Only top right corner wakes my phone
I don't think you have a problem. Try this:
If u simply wave at the top sensors, from any direction, the screen turns on.
For the lower sensors, try a bunch of different movements and you'll realize that when you reach for your phone (that means, moving your hand down and approaching the phone from the bottom part) the bottom sensors work.
My theory: the top sensors detect any movements, specially wave (from side to side) movement. The bottom ones detct the "reaching for" movement... If i remember correctly, the little demo you get inside Moto app tells you you can view notification by waving right above the screen or right before you grab the smartphone... isn't it exactly that which we are discussing?
Taking a shot in the dark here, but try going to the "Moto" app, hit the little gear icon top right and select actions. Then select "Wave to silence".
Now test it out, try swiping just above the top sensor (leaving the bottom sensors unused). Now try vise-versa (swipe across the bottom sensors while leaving the top unused). Notice how the wave action DOESN'T work when you isolate the sensors in this way. Now try swiping just above both of them with either your hand or with two fingers, one swiping the bottom and one swiping the top at the same time, you'll notice that DOES work. I think the only time all the sensors are used is for the action of waving to silence calls and things of that nature. When it comes to Moto Display and showing notifications, I'm pretty sure it's programmed to only use the top right sensor, as it wouldn't need three sensors to detect movement. Though I'm not sure why all three sensors come on when the display is off.
-Jettic
Again, there is only one actual sensor, the rest are just flashers, like little LEDs. The flashers send out IR, and the sensor picks it up. What this means, is if the sensor doesn't see your hand (ie, when your hand is only near the bottom of your phone) it's not going to activate anything. The IR flashers essentially bathe your hand in IR light, and the sensor is the component that actually sees it. Make sense?
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Again, there is only one actual sensor, the rest are just flashers, like little LEDs. The flashers send out IR, and the sensor picks it up. What this means, is if the sensor doesn't see your hand (ie, when your hand is only near the bottom of your phone) it's not going to activate anything. The IR flashers essentially bathe your hand in IR light, and the sensor is the component that actually sees it. Make sense?
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:good: +1.
I've read the same statement in some technical review.
Can't really remember which ones.
Don't replace your moto X. He's fine.
I've noticed on mine, the bottom two are easily visible in the dark, whereas the top right is barely visible, and the top left isn't visible at all.
I'm not sure if this is affecting the performance or not.
kloan said:
I've noticed on mine, the bottom two are easily visible in the dark, whereas the top right is barely visible, and the top left isn't visible at all.
I'm not sure if this is affecting the performance or not.
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Read the post from MetalHead above yours.
I can activate my screen by waving my hand over the bottom or top portions of the screen.
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Read the post from MetalHead above yours.
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i did. The top left one doesn't light up at all, unlike the bottom two. This leads me to believe it's non-functioning.
I never noticed it before, but two tiny red dots appeared on each of the bottom corners in the capacitative button area. It looked like some kind of led, but they were very dim. I tested it and it looks like they appear when the micro-usb is partially in. Has anyone else seem them or know what they are?
I noticed them too. I thought they were sensors for the active display so when you reach for the phone it senses your movement and lights up the display. Not sure though, just a guess.
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I noticed them too. I thought they were sensors for the active display so when you reach for the phone it senses your movement and lights up the display. Not sure though, just a guess.
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Yeah, your guess is spot on.
I do believe they are infrared sensors (hence why you can slightly see them in the dark as red-colored dots), and they are pulsing constantly to detect any reflection that would indicate an approaching hand.
You are correct, there are actually 3 of them, two on the bottom and one on the upper right corner.
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You are correct, there are actually 3 of them, two on the bottom and one on the upper right corner.
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I think there's actually 4 of them, one in each corner. And 4 microphones, one in each corner.
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ccheww said:
I think there's actually 4 of them, one in each corner. And 4 microphones, one in each corner.
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Not in each corner actually. The bottom two and upper right. The 4th one is next to the proximity sensor and FFC. I saw it in a video posted on here before. Regarding the sensors that is.
Interesting.
Did not realize that feature was driven by IR sensors.
How do they tell the difference between an approaching hand, and being pressed up against your leg in your pocket?
The software is able to detect whether or not it is in your pocket based off of either the light sensor, IR sensors or possibly a combination of the two.
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Wouldn't the motion sensor come into play in determining if it's your pocket?
I believe "Pocket mode" is determined principally by the "proximity sensor" - the same sensor that determines when the phone is against your cheek during a phone call and turns the screen off. When pocket mode is enabled, the "active display" is disabled, so it doesn't display notifications when it is in your pocket. I believe the pocket mode also disables the ir sensors, so it isn't trying to determine if you are reaching for your phone.
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I believe "Pocket mode" is determined principally by the "proximity sensor" - the same sensor that determines when the phone is against your cheek during a phone call and turns the screen off. When pocket mode is enabled, the "active display" is disabled, so it doesn't display notifications when it is in your pocket. I believe the pocket mode also disables the ir sensors, so it isn't trying to determine if you are reaching for your phone.
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Correct. Cover the proximity sensor and give it a try. Shake the phone and wave your other hand, it won't turn on.
joshm.1219 said:
Correct. Cover the proximity sensor and give it a try. Shake the phone and wave your other hand, it won't turn on.
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OK, still, what do the 3 red lights do, if you cover the proximity sensor, yes the screen won't turn on. But, the lights still light up and wont activate. They obviously aren't there to activate the screen, so what are they?