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Why do you have to Root android phone's to do anything good to them??????

Why do you have to Root android phone's to do anything good to them??????, is what my iPhone friend just told me. I need a really good comeback. Any suggestions?

come on guys....

Call him a dumbfuck. Alternatively, ask him what exactly what these "good things" are that you need to root to access. Multi-tasking? Yeah, been able to do that since forever. Customization? Same. Install a home replacement. Wallpapers? Ditto. The latest iPhone OS only brought to the table features Android has been able to do out of the box from the beginning. Flash? Get your Froyo on via official OTA, no need to root.
Oh, and ask him what he can do with an unjailbroken iPhone. Out of the box, it's a crippled piece of ****.

You can do a lot of "good" things to your phone without rooting.
With froyo comes the LED flashlight and tethering.

Ask him if he can tether or install 3rd party apps (w/o iTunes) without jailbreaking his iPhone and see what he says

lol thanks guys...keep it coming!!!

I have to answer this question at least once or twice a week when asked by many of my co-workers who gave up their crackberries for android. I give them the basics: Overclocking, undervolting, unrestricted tethering etc....But it's best put this way: Imagine having a car that can do 150 MPH but its restricted to 60 MPH. You may not have to go over 60 MPH but you should be able to if needed right? I hacked every smartphone I have owned because I refuse to get less than what my money is worth. If your heart pumps kool-aid or you like being pimped by manufacturers/service providers, then don't jailbreak/root.

JDMSirEK4 said:
Why do you have to Root android phone's to do anything good to them??????, is what my iPhone friend just told me. I need a really good comeback. Any suggestions?
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Tell him it's actually the opposite. Personally I could NOT use an iPhone if it wasn't Jailbroken. This is coming from someone who used an iPhone 3GS for 10 months exclusively. Personally iPhone jailbroken is pretty good. It's pretty useless without jailbreaking, turning on/off wifi/gps/bt, is slow, multitasking, folders/categories/contact picture hack, better sms app, etc..etc..

Ask him to load up some widgets, live wallpapers, google Nav. etc etc etc.

... there's a reason they call it "JAILBREAKING" and "ROOTING".
Jailbreaking = iPhone is useless without it, a lonely condemned soul waiting to be released. And even after you jailbreak it, it's horny, hungry and dumb as hell.
Rooted = getting access to additional features that require admin level access. Personally, I had only 2 reasons to root at all - wifi hotspot and flashlight. BOTH are now available for NON-rooted N1s. So.. Unless you got specific reasons to root.. your phone is already a powerhouse that can do anything.

DarkDvr said:
Rooted = getting access to additional features that require admin level access. Personally, I had only 2 reasons to root at all - wifi hotspot and flashlight. BOTH are now available for NON-rooted N1s. So.. Unless you got specific reasons to root.. your phone is already a powerhouse that can do anything.
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Honestly, the flashlight was the only real reason I ended up rooting. I've since installed other root-only apps, but they do have non-root equivalents.

duh to load custom roms

Be able to uninstall Twitter is all the reason I need to root. Seriously Google, stop doing that, if I want it I'll go find it. Don't start messing your phones up like AT&T does.

To Root or Not To Root.. (that is the question)

So I've been going back and forth with myself about about whether or not to update to the (Green Battery) or not. I mean I'm aware that if i do I will lose the capability to root, but then again I also wonder what exactly is there to root for? This is such a great device out the gate, and really there has been great development for supporting app/mod that do not require root nowadays. I use Samsung Wallet very often and have found It very "every day, real life" useful. And given I workout daily, SHealth is of great Usage to me too. And i'd like to have the most up to date and current versions when possible..
Although on the flip slide, I don't like the fact that I cant root my phone in the future if I choose to. But i also feel like it would run so much smoother if i just did the "Green Battery update".. smh... #firstworldproblems #diaryofaspoiledrootjunkiebutalsosatisfiedcustomer lol
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This is the exact dilemma I was in and hence gave in and got an Exysos S7 edge
I say root it while you can !

I wouldn't have kept it without root. Every time i turn around, I need root. Today it was for a Kodi mod. Yesterday I needed access to a Dolphin db. The day before I needed Titanium Backup. OTOH, my wife is happy without root. We really can't judge for you how to balance things. Get two?

[need advice] after ~10 yrs kitkat and xposed, what are my options on a samsung note8

Hi all,
I have been a Samsung Note User from day one (and Note1). To keep apps in check, I always used xposed plus xprivacy or LBE. Today, I am totally aware my Note4 is totally outdated but I really got used to being able to deny data and (maybe more importantly) network access to any app at will.
I have been keeping to use my old phone because whenever I looked for viable app-fencing solutions on the current android versions, everything seemed very volatile and unstable. Recently my company gave me a Note8 and although I am not a big friend of the modern "glass brick" design trend at all, it is hard to ignore the advances in terms of hardware power and that my trusty old Note begins to be unable to execute certain new apps.
I presume most of you are using current Android versions. So I'd like to ask you which solutions are you using to prevent unwanted data and privacy drain on your devices. I my dreams I would continue to be able to willingly decide whether any app may be allowed to use either Wifi or mobile networks (bonus prize: depending on if the app is in foreground or not), be able to suppress advertising extensions in apps and deny access to privacy-related data like position, unique IDs and contact database.
Which solutions would I use to achieve as many of these goals as possible on Android 7 or even 8? Maybe even some without rooting?
Thank you very much for you suggestions and input..

Much of that is backed right into nougat and Oreo. Many permissions can be denied (depending on the app developers). Root on the newer samsungs seems to be problematic.

Bitmixer said:
Hi all,
I have been a Samsung Note User from day one (and Note1). To keep apps in check, I always used xposed plus xprivacy or LBE. Today, I am totally aware my Note4 is totally outdated but I really got used to being able to deny data and (maybe more importantly) network access to any app at will.
I have been keeping to use my old phone because whenever I looked for viable app-fencing solutions on the current android versions, everything seemed very volatile and unstable. Recently my company gave me a Note8 and although I am not a big friend of the modern "glass brick" design trend at all, it is hard to ignore the advances in terms of hardware power and that my trusty old Note begins to be unable to execute certain new apps.
I presume most of you are using current Android versions. So I'd like to ask you which solutions are you using to prevent unwanted data and privacy drain on your devices. I my dreams I would continue to be able to willingly decide whether any app may be allowed to use either Wifi or mobile networks (bonus prize: depending on if the app is in foreground or not), be able to suppress advertising extensions in apps and deny access to privacy-related data like position, unique IDs and contact database.
Which solutions would I use to achieve as many of these goals as possible on Android 7 or even 8? Maybe even some without rooting?
Thank you very much for you suggestions and input..
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Hey! We are together in this! I am exactly the same on my Motorola x play! Been using xprivacy and xposed too for ages on all apps, plus a firewall too.
Give a look at f-droid app store and xposed itself, on the download tab. There is the new xprivacy LUA for android 6/7, and it's the successor of the old version. Haven't tested out yet, but seems to be more or less the same, judging by what I read.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/modules/xprivacylua6-0-android-privacy-manager-t3730663
Also... Give a look at a good firewall, to block rogue internet access for all the nasty apps out there.
Anything just give me a shout. It's good to know I am not alone! [emoji108][emoji56]
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madbat99 said:
Much of that is backed right into nougat and Oreo. Many permissions can be denied (depending on the app developers). Root on the newer samsungs seems to be problematic.
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Thanks for your reply, madbat.
I have seen the new permission management in oreo. Please understand that to me it is important that not an app developer decides what I can deny but I want to be able to make that decision myself. Moreover, as far as my knowledge goes, android does not allow to deny network access to apps when I deem they shouldn't have any business on my uplink. Most importantly this applies for any Amazon apps and most apps from their store. All of them are trying to phone home every few minutes(!).

Ev0luti0n_ said:
Hey! We are together in this! I am exactly the same on my Motorola x play! Been using xprivacy and xposed too for ages on all apps, plus a firewall too.
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I had hoped I am not alone
Ev0luti0n_ said:
(...) There is the new xprivacy LUA for android 6/7, and it's the successor of the old version. Haven't tested out yet, but seems to be more or less the same, judging by what I read.
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I have read about that one and to me it appears like it is not quite there. Last time I looked, the developer was about to REMOVE protection of several sensitive data points like IMEI. Also, like madcat mentioned, rooting the latest Samsung devices can be problematic and I might get some problems bricking a $1000 company device
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Also... Give a look at a good firewall, to block rogue internet access for all the nasty apps out there.
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Any recommendations here?
kind regards

Oh... I use afwall, which requires root. I did read here on XDA, that there is a good no root firewall here, but I can't remember the name. ..
Also you won't be able to root the device? I am not sure you are going to have much luck... [emoji848]
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Ev0luti0n_ said:
Also you won't be able to root the device? I am not sure you are going to have much luck... [emoji848]
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I guess I am able to root it, just a little reluctant yet Like, waiting for someone to finally discover a rooting method that does not invalidate knox for the note8

Hey guys, I have a question. What firewall were you talking about for KitKat?

Question To root or not to root?

Hello everyone,
Today marks the 1 year anniversary of my S21 Ultra, thus, my warranty ended. That being said I'm thinking about rooting my phone now. But I do have some questions beforehand. I know that you'll lose access to Samsung health, Samsung pay/pass, and Secure folder for good. But will I be able to use applications like local Banking applications? And is there any other risks that I'm not aware of?

Not worth the time for workarounds and patches to make things work or losing HD streaming on nearly all paid streaming service. Wavelet is an excellent non-root alternative to V4A. As a former flash a holic goodlock has been more than sufficient for my needs. On top of that you will lose that awesome trade in value Sammy tends to give to customers. Rooting always comes with a risk as one mishap may result in a bricked device. That's my two cents.

mookiexl said:
Not worth the time for workarounds and patches to make things work or losing HD streaming on nearly all paid streaming service. Wavelet is an excellent non-root alternative to V4A. As a former flash a holic goodlock has been more than sufficient for my needs. On top of that you will lose that awesome trade in value Sammy tends to give to customers. Rooting always comes with a risk as one mishap may result in a bricked device. That's my two cents.
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Perfect answer. s21u rom development has been slow compared to my previous devices as well

mookiexl said:
Not worth the time for workarounds and patches to make things work or losing HD streaming on nearly all paid streaming service. Wavelet is an excellent non-root alternative to V4A. As a former flash a holic goodlock has been more than sufficient for my needs. On top of that you will lose that awesome trade in value Sammy tends to give to customers. Rooting always comes with a risk as one mishap may result in a bricked device. That's my two cents.
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Wait, I'll lose HD streaming on paid streaming services wth? lmao, that's new. Other than the trading issue which I really don't need since my device actually has a screen crack, they won't give me a lot even if I wanted to trade., is there really anything else?

mookiexl said:
Not worth the time for workarounds and patches to make things work or losing HD streaming on nearly all paid streaming service. Wavelet is an excellent non-root alternative to V4A. As a former flash a holic goodlock has been more than sufficient for my needs. On top of that you will lose that awesome trade in value Sammy tends to give to customers. Rooting always comes with a risk as one mishap may result in a bricked device. That's my two cents.
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Agreed on this as well. This is the first Android I've owned since the Razr Maxx that I have not rooted. Before this phone, I found root to be absolutely necessary. With this phone plus the automated scripting provided by ADB Appcontrol and added Samsung customizability, I am 95% happy with my unrooted root-like abilities and 1000% happy with the device itself.
What I miss: abilities within Titanium such as full backups/snapshots/XML backups & freezing background apps from within the device. The ability to skip entitlement check from Verizon when I'm (legally) tethering.
I've chosen to live without this. When you cross over into unlocked BL, there is no going back. That alone could be horribly disappointing when you're paid such a premium and gotten used to such a kick ass device like the s21 Ultra. Doing this & experiencing highly diminished returns is one of those decisions that sounds like it'll create great regret.

burnxtc said:
Agreed on this as well. This is the first Android I've owned since the Razr Maxx that I have not rooted. Before this phone, I found root to be absolutely necessary. With this phone plus the automated scripting provided by ADB Appcontrol and added Samsung customizability, I am 95% happy with my unrooted root-like abilities and 1000% happy with the device itself.
What I miss: abilities within Titanium such as full backups/snapshots/XML backups & freezing background apps from within the device. The ability to skip entitlement check from Verizon when I'm (legally) tethering.
I've chosen to live without this. When you cross over into unlocked BL, there is no going back. That alone could be horribly disappointing when you're paid such a premium and gotten used to such a kick ass device like the s21 Ultra. Doing this & experiencing highly diminished returns is one of those decisions that sounds like it'll create great regret.
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Yes titanium and swift back-up truly have no alternative. As far as freezing the abundance of system apps, Shizuku with Icebox does the exact same thing and only require a few initial ADB commands to set up. Just by all means don't freeze Device services (com.samsung.android.kgclient)
https://shizuku.rikka.app/apps/

I rooted my S21 ultra at the start out of force of habit. I ended up locking the bootloader again and putting it back to normal. There just wasn't enough gains to warrant keeping it like that. And Viper audio doesn't work properly with the latest OS anyway.

mookiexl said:
Not worth the time for workarounds and patches to make things work or losing HD streaming on nearly all paid streaming service. Wavelet is an excellent non-root alternative to V4A. As a former flash a holic goodlock has been more than sufficient for my needs. On top of that you will lose that awesome trade in value Sammy tends to give to customers. Rooting always comes with a risk as one mishap may result in a bricked device. That's my two cents.
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Hopefully Samsung will remember what a Note is, to include a nested spen on the right side, that's there's plenty of room for the SD card too, to tone down the scoped storage nightmare and a big fat battery isn't the same as efficiency... maybe on the next generation (unlikely) flagship release.
If that happens you will want to recover as much from the trade in as possible for this beautiful phone.
Rooting can't solve it's core issues...

mookiexl said:
Not worth the time for workarounds and patches to make things work or losing HD streaming on nearly all paid streaming service. Wavelet is an excellent non-root alternative to V4A. As a former flash a holic goodlock has been more than sufficient for my needs. On top of that you will lose that awesome trade in value Sammy tends to give to customers. Rooting always comes with a risk as one mishap may result in a bricked device. That's my two cents.
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Kind of unrelated to root, but I'm happy to hear about a competent alternative to Viper. It's always been that one thing that's been missing for me since I got off my rooted Note 8 years ago.

Personally would only consider root when they stop the security updates. OS is still revolving and updating. The first answer on this post is spot on.

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Personally would only consider root when they stop the security updates. OS is still revolving and updating. The first answer on this post is spot on.
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Anything from Pie up is reasonably secure if you don't do stupid things.
This stock N10+ is still running on Pie and this load will be 2 yo this June. Security simply hasn't been an issue. I disable wifi, watch what I install, hawk the download folder, use Karma Firewall, Brave browser, no social media apps are installed and occasionally run malware scans. It's a very drama free load, that's fast, stable, requires minimal maintenance... and fulfills its mission.

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Anything from Pie up is reasonably secure if you don't do stupid things.
This stock N10+ is still running on Pie and this load will be 2 yo this June. Security simply hasn't been an issue. I disable wifi, watch what I install, hawk the download folder, use Karma Firewall, Brave browser, no social media apps are installed and occasionally run malware scans. It's a very drama free load, that's fast, stable, requires minimal maintenance... and fulfills its mission.
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I can see the future of my S21U on your comment haha

blackhawk said:
Anything from Pie up is reasonably secure if you don't do stupid things.
This stock N10+ is still running on Pie and this load will be 2 yo this June. Security simply hasn't been an issue. I disable wifi, watch what I install, hawk the download folder, use Karma Firewall, Brave browser, no social media apps are installed and occasionally run malware scans. It's a very drama free load, that's fast, stable, requires minimal maintenance... and fulfills its mission.
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Well said, as usual.
I operate nearly identically. Whenever people send me screenshots of gifs etc. I'm always voyeuristically looking at their status bars then I nag them like a neurotic stepmother - "dude what's with all those background processes" "is that an xbox icon? you don't own an xbox" "do you want me to tell you how to disable 'network notification?'" "how many friggin bt devices do you own for pete's sake" "snapchat? what are you turning into?"

burnxtc said:
Well said, as usual.
I operate nearly identically. Whenever people send me screenshots of gifs etc. I'm always voyeuristically looking at their status bars then I nag them like a neurotic stepmother - "dude what's with all those background processes" "is that an xbox icon? you don't own an xbox" "do you want me to tell you how to disable 'network notification?'" "how many friggin bt devices do you own for pete's sake" "snapchat? what are you turning into?"
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People make a mess of their phones then wonder why they're slow, eat battery and have malware issues. Those same people then blame the phone manufacturer when the junk they installed is far worse than the factory bloatware.
They just don't get it... and their homepage looks like a Tokyo billboard

burnxtc said:
Agreed on this as well. This is the first Android I've owned since the Razr Maxx that I have not rooted. Before this phone, I found root to be absolutely necessary. With this phone plus the automated scripting provided by ADB Appcontrol and added Samsung customizability, I am 95% happy with my unrooted root-like abilities and 1000% happy with the device itself.
What I miss: abilities within Titanium such as full backups/snapshots/XML backups & freezing background apps from within the device. The ability to skip entitlement check from Verizon when I'm (legally) tethering.
I've chosen to live without this. When you cross over into unlocked BL, there is no going back. That alone could be horribly disappointing when you're paid such a premium and gotten used to such a kick ass device like the s21 Ultra. Doing this & experiencing highly diminished returns is one of those decisions that sounds like it'll create great regret.
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I LOVE Titanium Backup!
Just purchased my first NEW phone (usually wait and get renewed or version 1 version down fro the latest) S22 Ultra. Fine... But I keep hearing in the back of my mind, "TITANIUM BACKUP"!

mookiexl said:
Yes titanium and swift back-up truly have no alternative. As far as freezing the abundance of system apps, Shizuku with Icebox does the exact same thing and only require a few initial ADB commands to set up. Just by all means don't freeze Device services (com.samsung.android.kgclient)
https://shizuku.rikka.app/apps/
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Just installed both Shizuku & Icebox and it's functioning as it should. Thanks for the tip!

jameslapc2 said:
Kind of unrelated to root, but I'm happy to hear about a competent alternative to Viper. It's always been that one thing that's been missing for me since I got off my rooted Note 8 years ago.
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i had wavelet on my S21 Ultra, to me its neither here nor there if i have it or not. Definitely nowhere near the gains from V4A but anyway...

I'm on CVC4 build, rooted with the BKLYN kernel v1.2.6 (permissive). Everything work fine, VIPER INCLUDED. I used some tweaks to pass safetynet with original fingerprint and device model. I'm now able to use Samsung Health. I also installed a module to disable thermal throttling.
I decided to broke the knox warranty bit after 1 year (i have 2 years warranty) and i don't regret it
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I'm on CVC4 build, rooted with the BKLYN kernel v1.2.6 (permissive). Everything work fine, VIPER INCLUDED. I used some tweaks to pass safetynet with original fingerprint and device model. I'm now able to use Samsung Health. I also installed a module to disable thermal throttling.
I decided to broke the knox warranty bit after 1 year (i have 2 years warranty) and i don't regret it
- S21 Ultra Exynos (G998B)View attachment 5604871
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Sorry for the slight off topic, though I'll be receiving my device this week and so wonder if you could let me know which viper (and any other necessary steps) to get it working? Thanks!

@cd993 Of course !
once your phone is rooted, you have to flash the BKLYN kernel (credit: @bklyn_syed). See the attachment.
This one has a permissive SELinux, Viper doesn't work on enforcing ones.
WARNING: if your s21 is not the p3s model, don't flash it ! To find out which model you have, download aida64 and go to system/device. You also need to FORMAT (not wipe) the data partition from TWRP after flashing the kernel before rebooting. You'll just end up with a bootloop if you don't
Once done, Download viper v2.7.2.1 from attachment. Launch it and click on ok (driver installation) after the reboot, enable Legacy mode (not compatibility mode) in Viper settings. Enjoy !
Before you root your s21u, i recommend you to downgrade it to CVC4. (It's just a recommendation)
Btw, i understood what you meant in your topic, i was just "making an ad" for my phone to show you that it's worth it to root your s21u. Sorry for the confusion !

Lifelong iPhone user jumped ship

Hi, Been using jailbroken iphones since the first one came out.
I needed a new phone, so with jailbreaks taking longer and longer to come out and becoming less and less stable, I decided to buy a zfold 3. Mightily impressed with it so far and I'm sure once I stop swiping on the screen all the time with it not doing anything, love it

skiptowncat said:
Hi, Been using jailbroken iphones since the first one came out.
I needed a new phone, so with jailbreaks taking longer and longer to come out and becoming less and less stable, I decided to buy a zfold 3. Mightily impressed with it so far and I'm sure once I stop swiping on the screen all the time with it not doing anything, love it
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Glad you changed to Android!
Welcome to XDA

skiptowncat said:
Hi, Been using jailbroken iphones since the first one came out.
I needed a new phone, so with jailbreaks taking longer and longer to come out and becoming less and less stable, I decided to buy a zfold 3. Mightily impressed with it so far and I'm sure once I stop swiping on the screen all the time with it not doing anything, love it
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best decision you ever made, is what youll be thinking once your rooted and customized

gav83collins said:
best decision you ever made, is what youll be thinking once your rooted and customized
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What is the need to root? Any mistbhave apps/tweaks that require it? I need to research

skiptowncat said:
What is the need to root? Any mistbhave apps/tweaks that require it? I need to research
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you only need root, if you want to alter system files, wether it be, ui, kernel rom etc..............drawbacks are some finance apps detect root and wont work

gav83collins said:
you only need root, if you want to alter system files, wether it be, ui, kernel rom etc..............drawbacks are some finance apps detect root and wont work
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Same as jailbreak. What tweaks that need root should I look at to decide if it's worth it

skiptowncat said:
Same as jailbreak. What tweaks that need root should I look at to decide if it's worth it
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its been a few years since i last jailbroke some thing, i was into it for quite a few years, but in comparison to what i remember, development is much more advanced in terms of capabilities of rw, you can modify the sample, bit rate and db levels of audio, bluetooth, speaker, headphone, same for mic input, you can increase camera quality, bluetooth power usage and hang time, over clock the processor under volt it, the same for the gpu remap keys and lights of soft buttons wear available, as well as all the ui tweaks available on jb ios devices, there is more of course but they are the basics

gav83collins said:
its been a few years since i last jailbroke some thing, i was into it for quite a few years, but in comparison to what i remember, development is much more advanced in terms of capabilities of rw, you can modify the sample, bit rate and db levels of audio, bluetooth, speaker, headphone, same for mic input, you can increase camera quality, bluetooth power usage and hang time, over clock the processor under volt it, the same for the gpu remap keys and lights of soft buttons wear available, as well as all the ui tweaks available on jb ios devices, there is more of course but they are the basics
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Is there an app store like cydia or are they all on the play store?

skiptowncat said:
Is there an app store like cydia or are they all on the play store?
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some kernel setting change apps are on playstore but most features are useless without a custom kernel or root, you would have to find your device specific thread and do some reading