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Why do you have to Root android phone's to do anything good to them??????

Why do you have to Root android phone's to do anything good to them??????, is what my iPhone friend just told me. I need a really good comeback. Any suggestions?

come on guys....

Call him a dumbfuck. Alternatively, ask him what exactly what these "good things" are that you need to root to access. Multi-tasking? Yeah, been able to do that since forever. Customization? Same. Install a home replacement. Wallpapers? Ditto. The latest iPhone OS only brought to the table features Android has been able to do out of the box from the beginning. Flash? Get your Froyo on via official OTA, no need to root.
Oh, and ask him what he can do with an unjailbroken iPhone. Out of the box, it's a crippled piece of ****.

You can do a lot of "good" things to your phone without rooting.
With froyo comes the LED flashlight and tethering.

Ask him if he can tether or install 3rd party apps (w/o iTunes) without jailbreaking his iPhone and see what he says

lol thanks guys...keep it coming!!!

I have to answer this question at least once or twice a week when asked by many of my co-workers who gave up their crackberries for android. I give them the basics: Overclocking, undervolting, unrestricted tethering etc....But it's best put this way: Imagine having a car that can do 150 MPH but its restricted to 60 MPH. You may not have to go over 60 MPH but you should be able to if needed right? I hacked every smartphone I have owned because I refuse to get less than what my money is worth. If your heart pumps kool-aid or you like being pimped by manufacturers/service providers, then don't jailbreak/root.

JDMSirEK4 said:
Why do you have to Root android phone's to do anything good to them??????, is what my iPhone friend just told me. I need a really good comeback. Any suggestions?
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Tell him it's actually the opposite. Personally I could NOT use an iPhone if it wasn't Jailbroken. This is coming from someone who used an iPhone 3GS for 10 months exclusively. Personally iPhone jailbroken is pretty good. It's pretty useless without jailbreaking, turning on/off wifi/gps/bt, is slow, multitasking, folders/categories/contact picture hack, better sms app, etc..etc..

Ask him to load up some widgets, live wallpapers, google Nav. etc etc etc.

... there's a reason they call it "JAILBREAKING" and "ROOTING".
Jailbreaking = iPhone is useless without it, a lonely condemned soul waiting to be released. And even after you jailbreak it, it's horny, hungry and dumb as hell.
Rooted = getting access to additional features that require admin level access. Personally, I had only 2 reasons to root at all - wifi hotspot and flashlight. BOTH are now available for NON-rooted N1s. So.. Unless you got specific reasons to root.. your phone is already a powerhouse that can do anything.

DarkDvr said:
Rooted = getting access to additional features that require admin level access. Personally, I had only 2 reasons to root at all - wifi hotspot and flashlight. BOTH are now available for NON-rooted N1s. So.. Unless you got specific reasons to root.. your phone is already a powerhouse that can do anything.
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Honestly, the flashlight was the only real reason I ended up rooting. I've since installed other root-only apps, but they do have non-root equivalents.

duh to load custom roms

Be able to uninstall Twitter is all the reason I need to root. Seriously Google, stop doing that, if I want it I'll go find it. Don't start messing your phones up like AT&T does.

I'm bailing on Anroid - form the lynch mob here

*lol spelling mistake in title*
I'm bailing on Android after 2 years and two devices. I'll just go ahead and get the canned responses out of the way:
"K GTFO"
"ur an idiot anroid is open source so customizable"
"nice first post, moron"
The carrier/OS fragmentation is tearing Android apart. While most of you look at the open source platform and see good things, I see a disaster. Phones are full of bloat, locked out of core functionality (Atrix, anyone?) and relying on manufacturers for updates is slowing the progress of Android.
As a Vibrant owner, I am accustomed to some flaws - chiefly a working, but slow GPS. But when my phone constantly fails to send text messages or fills my call log with calls I did not make, I start to wonder. That's just this device - how about the Nexus One's that were sending texts to random contacts? I just think Google might have bitten off more than they were ready for. I often feel like they tried to jam so much into the OS that they forgot to keep user interface in check.
Don't get me wrong, I see a TREMENDOUS potential for Android in the future. The sheer number of activations is staggering. The platform will easily be the dominate OS, no doubt. In two years, I'll revisit Android.
For the time being I'm going back to *gasp* a Blackberry *gasp*

I for one fully respect you point of view, And good luck in your further endeavors.

Im sorry Android isn't working out for you.. I personally love my Evo, and wouldnt trade it for any other phone (right now at least).
some people enjoy the open source functions, and utilize the capabilities to its fullest, while others just call it bloat-ware (which it is full of...in stock form), and being locked out of core functionality ( what more can a blackberry do, even in stock form????)
i'm not hating on your post, or your opinion, Blackberrys are fun devices (before coming into the world of Android I owned about 5 crackberries) and im sure if you dont use your android device to its fullest, then a blackberry will be perfect for you
Masterfuel

I feel the same way. Eventually I will get phone with any OS but Android.

masterfuel said:
Im sorry Android isn't working out for you.. I personally love my Evo, and wouldnt trade it for any other phone (right now at least).
some people enjoy the open source functions, and utilize the capabilities to its fullest, while others just call it bloat-ware (which it is full of...in stock form), and being locked out of core functionality ( what more can a blackberry do, even in stock form????)
i'm not hating on your post, or your opinion, Blackberrys are fun devices (before coming into the world of Android I owned about 5 crackberries) and im sure if you dont use your android device to its fullest, then a blackberry will be perfect for you
Masterfuel
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I'm as nerdy as anyone here and can certainly hold my own when it comes to fully utilizing my phone.
But phone is the key word there. I need a phone I can throw in my pocket, answer a message quickly and be back to life. A quick glance at a Blackberry tells me all I need to know. A quick glance at my Vibrant tells me the screen is off. Poor choice in phone model? Maybe.
The only things I will miss about Android are my phones amazing 4" Display, Google Navigation and WiFi tethering. That, to me, says a lot.

Interesting thoughts
I myself like phones that I can customize into something that I need. What I mean by this is with Android I can make my home screen tell me all I need. I went out and tried different phones and found that android based phones seemed to have the most customization options out there. I like the others but for me and this is only me android seems to fit me for what I need to have on my home screen. I like to see many things too. Like calendar, email, weather, SMS and a couple of other quick links to seldom used items. Other phones like Blackberry or Iphone work nice but I am often stuck by what they feel is right. I myself just like to have things my way I guess.

It's so depressing when you scroll down a page, and see no colours from anybody because they're all new and don't have profile pictures yet

themeltingclock said:
"K GTFO"
"ur an idiot anroid is open source so customizable"
"nice first post, moron"
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-5 points for knowing the rite answer and still opening a thread

MacaronyMax said:
It's so depressing when you scroll down a page, and see no colours from anybody because they're all new and don't have profile pictures yet
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lol, i was just too lazy to change it when I registered.. and honestly, I haven't thought about it until you brought it up.. I will go do that now! Adios.

themeltingclock said:
I'm as nerdy as anyone here and can certainly hold my own when it comes to fully utilizing my phone.
But phone is the key word there. I need a phone I can throw in my pocket, answer a message quickly and be back to life. A quick glance at a Blackberry tells me all I need to know. A quick glance at my Vibrant tells me the screen is off. Poor choice in phone model? Maybe.
The only things I will miss about Android are my phones amazing 4" Display, Google Navigation and WiFi tethering. That, to me, says a lot.
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understandable.. a 4" display is a rather large phone, and sometimes isnt easy to fit into your pocket.. As for myself, a quick glance at my Evo tells me all I need to know also.
obviously android aren't for everyone (otherwise EVERYONE would have one..) hopefully you will see just how buggy that blackberry OS can get ( try deleting 4000 texts at once) and come running back, otherwise have fun in APP WORLD!!!

masterfuel said:
lol, i was just too lazy to change it when I registered.. and honestly, I haven't thought about it until you brought it up.. I will go do that now! Adios.
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Haha Yay! We now have colour to this thread
On another note... My PC is telling me I'm spelling Colour wrong

MacaronyMax said:
Haha Yay! We now have colour to this thread
On another note... My PC is telling me I'm spelling Colour wrong
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That's because you did
-If ignorance is bliss why aren't you smiling?-

twitch153 said:
That's because you did
-If ignorance is bliss why aren't you smiling?-
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Color/colour. Same diff. Just depends on where you live
Sent from my SilverBullet "HTCDesireZ running CM7"

Ever tried using a HTC?

sakai4eva said:
Ever tried using a HTC?
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Yep. Had a MyTouch when they came out. The core functionality of the phone was pretty good, albeit a bit slow. I commend HTC/T-Mobile for updating such an old phone to Froyo.
What it boils down to for me is that despite Android being a much larger, more supported platform, it just isn't intuitive. Having to install a different rom every week to see if I can squeeze out a FULL day of use or get my GPS working just isn't fun anymore.
To me, Android has become exactly what a lot of people complained about the iPhone - a toy. The novelty (at least for me) has worn off and I'm back at square one wondering why I feel the need to own such a device. Aside from browse the web and play games, what can Android do that a Blackberry can't? I don't need to play Angry Birds or watch Youtube in HD - I have other devices to handle that. What I want to do is bang out messages and answer phone calls efficiently.
This was never intended as a thread to bash Android or XDA/Developers. I've noticed an enormous difference between stock 2.2 and some of the ROMs out there for the Vibrant. It was simply my observations on some (IMHO) big shortcomings in the platform that haven't been fully addressed.

Well, good luck on your endeavours, even though I think that HTC can solve your problems... maybe you could give the newer HTCs a shot, but hey, who am I to force you?

I think that you can still get your messages and calls out on android efficiently or at least I've managed to but it didn't take too much on my behalf; in the whole time that I've had my phone, I've only flashed 2 ROMs and my phone can pull about 48-51 hrs per charge with moderate use.
Sent from my Bionix-V 1.2 powered Vibrant.

Oniyuri said:
I think that you can still get your messages and calls out on android efficiently or at least I've managed to but it didn't take too much on my behalf; in the whole time that I've had my phone, I've only flashed 2 ROMs and my phone can pull about 48-51 hrs per charge with moderate use.
Sent from my Bionix-V 1.2 powered Vibrant.
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Wow, I like the sound of those numbers. I am getting a little tired of my 8-9 hours of battery life. Flashing new roms seems to be making things worse too. Stock I was getting 9-10.
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Good luck OP. Hope you find something that works for you.

I'd do the same as you, only I can't live without widgets and homescreens anymore. I've tried WP7 but just couldn't use it because the lack of customization. GL with your future phones. Atleast you're not going to the darkest side (Apple).

[Q] Nexus 6 owner with quite a lot of questions.

Hi all,
After spending 3 years on the iOS side after departing from my S2 and Sensation XE, I've finally decided to come back to the Green side and see how this works out for me. Naturally, I still have a bad aftertaste of the Samsung phones, and seeing as the Nexus phones now have flagship specs, I might as well go for the Nexus. So I did, and I'm the proud owner of a 64 GB Midnight Blue Nexus 6. However, I've grown quite accustomed to some things on iOS for which I still need help after swapping over to Android, and I hope I won't get shot down immediately for this. Very well then, off to my shot in the dark and list my questions:
1. Battery percentage. I cannot seem to find an option to enable this anywhere in the system. Is this a feature missing from stock Android?
2. Swiping to navigate back and forward doesn't seem to be in the browser. Any way to enable this?
3. Is there a function to avoid popups from showing on top of my screen while playing games? I play a lot of rhythm games and the pop ups mess my rhythm up. I tried the None option, but it still allowed notifications to get through.
4. Is there a way to allow YouTube videos to play in the background? Or even with the screen locked?
5. There seems to be some considerable lag while moving through the UI as well as in games and such. Is this due to the encryption?
Now onto some other kind of questions which most likely will be answered by doing my own research (which I will be doing, but might as well ask them here while I investigate in hopes of finding even quicker answers. As I find out about them, I'll either add in the answers to the questions or remove the questions entirely to avoid people getting annoyed at me.)
6. If encryption is causing the lag in my games as well as UI (Compared to my old i6+), will decrypting the device improve much? If yes, is there a quick and easy way to do so?
7. Has rooting become easier and with less risks of the user F-ing it up?
8. I vaguely remember custom ROMs as well as Kernels, and I've been reading up a bit. Are there any bug free 5.0.2 Roms/Kernels out yet? Specifically looking for performance increases with less battery drain.
9. CMRecovery it was called back in the day I believe. Is this still around to save me from massive F-ups?
10. Is the utility ODIN still required to flash Roms? I remember it as being a terribly counter-intuitive application to use.
11. Is CyanogenMod supporting the Nexus 6 officially? If not, any plans for it?
Well, those are it for now. Don't hate me, please! I will start my research after posting this. Just thought I'd try and hit 2 birds with one rock, cutting down the overall time.

TetsuNoKobushi said:
Hi all,
After spending 3 years on the iOS side after departing from my S2 and Sensation XE, I've finally decided to come back to the Green side and see how this works out for me. Naturally, I still have a bad aftertaste of the Samsung phones, and seeing as the Nexus phones now have flagship specs, I might as well go for the Nexus. So I did, and I'm the proud owner of a 64 GB Midnight Blue Nexus 6. However, I've grown quite accustomed to some things on iOS for which I still need help after swapping over to Android, and I hope I won't get shot down immediately for this. Very well then, off to my shot in the dark and list my questions:
1. Battery percentage. I cannot seem to find an option to enable this anywhere in the system. Is this a feature missing from stock Android?
2. Swiping to navigate back and forward doesn't seem to be in the browser. Any way to enable this?
3. Is there a function to avoid popups from showing on top of my screen while playing games? I play a lot of rhythm games and the pop ups mess my rhythm up. I tried the None option, but it still allowed notifications to get through.
4. Is there a way to allow YouTube videos to play in the background? Or even with the screen locked?
5. There seems to be some considerable lag while moving through the UI as well as in games and such. Is this due to the encryption?
Now onto some other kind of questions which most likely will be answered by doing my own research (which I will be doing, but might as well ask them here while I investigate in hopes of finding even quicker answers. As I find out about them, I'll either add in the answers to the questions or remove the questions entirely to avoid people getting annoyed at me.)
6. If encryption is causing the lag in my games as well as UI (Compared to my old i6+), will decrypting the device improve much? If yes, is there a quick and easy way to do so?
7. Has rooting become easier and with less risks of the user F-ing it up?
8. I vaguely remember custom ROMs as well as Kernels, and I've been reading up a bit. Are there any bug free 5.0.2 Roms/Kernels out yet? Specifically looking for performance increases with less battery drain.
9. CMRecovery it was called back in the day I believe. Is this still around to save me from massive F-ups?
10. Is the utility ODIN still required to flash Roms? I remember it as being a terribly counter-intuitive application to use.
11. Is CyanogenMod supporting the Nexus 6 officially? If not, any plans for it?
Well, those are it for now. Don't hate me, please! I will start my research after posting this. Just thought I'd try and hit 2 birds with one rock, cutting down the overall time.
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1 pull the notification bar % is there
2 not on chrome
3 go to apps in settings find the apps doing it and hit the show notification box
4 no
5 maybe
6 yes http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/development/disable-forced-encryption-gain-root-t2946715
7 hell yes
8 yes http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/development
9 http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/development/tool-windroid-universal-android-toolkit-t2984537
10 odin is for samsung
11 it will one day
hope that helps

jaythenut said:
1 pull the notification bar % is there
2 not on chrome
3 go to apps in settings find the apps doing it and hit the show notification box
4 no
5 maybe
6 yes http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/development/disable-forced-encryption-gain-root-t2946715
7 hell yes
8 yes http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/development
9 http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/development/tool-windroid-universal-android-toolkit-t2984537
10 odin is for samsung
11 it will one day
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1. Oh. The double finger drag does show it. No way to show it permanently without having to drag it down aside from installing an app?
2. Any other browsers you know of which do support it?
3. I don't want to disable them permanently. I'm looking for some kind of Do not Disturb mode which I can toggle on and off.
4. Hmm, annoying. But I guess I can live without it for now.
5. I found a topic describing the same issues. Might as well try and decrypt. People seem to have good results from it, at least in the UI.
6. Aaand that is the exact topic I found at question 5, haha.
7. Thank god. I read about this ChainFire AutoRoot tool. Is this the way to go now?
8. Much appreciated. Once I figure out which order to do everything in I'll check that out. Any recommendations for a 5.0.2 Rom?
9. An all-in-one tool, perfect for an idiot like me.
10. Right, no wonder it's counter-intuitive. Sorry for the hate on Samsung, my experience just hasn't been the best regarding the brand.
11. So no official support yet. Hmm, I guess I'll avoid custom CM roms then for now.
It helped a tremendous amount! I really appreciate it!

To add there are some you tube apps that will play with the screen off. I have one I can upload if you would like. You'll have to delete the current one you have though
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To add there are some you tube apps that will play with the screen off. I have one I can upload if you would like. You'll have to delete the current one you have though
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I only seem to have the basic YouTube app provided by Lollipop itself. Is that removable? If so, I'd gladly use one you could provide me. I'm not looking for an amazing list of features, but it would be nice if it adhered to the Material Design as well. But if it doesn't, no big deal either.

If you feel comfortable flash Liquid Smooth ROM and root your phone. It provides the best of all world's for smoothness and features. I've been using LS for a while and its great. You can enable many different styles of battery icons with % inside or outside the batter icon. You can also have the % battery in the icon via an app if you search the play store. You can uninstall the app once its enabled.
Rooting doesn't cause issues, its what you Dow with root that can potentially cause issues. Since this is a Nexus you can easily fix a bootloop should you get one somehow.
AOSP browser has a similar swiping method for the browser but it uses pie controls which in my opinion is better.
YouTube can play in the background, I use this frequently and even with the screen off from what I remember.

Pilz said:
If you feel comfortable flash Liquid Smooth ROM and root your phone. It provides the best of all world's for smoothness and features. I've been using LS for a while and its great. You can enable many different styles of battery icons with % inside or outside the batter icon. You can also have the % battery in the icon via an app if you search the play store. You can uninstall the app once its enabled.
Rooting doesn't cause issues, its what you Dow with root that can potentially cause issues. Since this is a Nexus you can easily fix a bootloop should you get one somehow.
AOSP browser has a similar swiping method for the browser but it uses pie controls which in my opinion is better.
YouTube can play in the background, I use this frequently and even with the screen off from what I remember.
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As for installing a custom ROM, I was planning on following this video:
How to Root the Nexus 6 & Flash a Custom ROM: youtu be/v0Dh52Swsac (can't post links yet it seems)
It seems quite idiot proof as there is a step for step guide to walk me through the process. Would you advise me to follow this videos steps?
I cannot find the AOSP browser on my device for some reason, do I need to install it still?
I've been trying to get YouTube to play in the background, but so far I've been unsuccessful, could you perhaps direct me to the setting to allow it?
I greatly appreciate your help!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tpy8iqfmy1sbo8r/YT_4.4.11_v5b_inverted.apk?dl=0
Here's a link to the you tube. You will have to enable of screen playback in settings. Also uninstall your you tube that is already on the phone. I didn't make this just sharing what I found on XDA
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What's with the iphone 6 ???

Compared to say the S5, or Note 4 ?
I was shocked last weekend when my friends and I had some bbq afternoon... All 10 of them had a shiny iphone 6 !
Mind you these people don't know sh ite about rooting and stuff like that, they just take pictures and post them on instagram and sh itbook, even my cousin and her husband... am I the only one who loves Android and Samsung? or they have not seen the light yet????

Lol. I just look at the sheeple and laugh.
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Mind you, these are the same people that will take their laptop to an "expert" when they have a virus.

gcappa said:
[/COLOR]Mind you, these are the same people that will take their laptop to an "expert" when they have a virus.
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exactly right, they abuse me when they get a virus on their laptop...

iPhones are just popular because they are easy to use and are updated often and quickly. It's a painless process to upload your music, movies and photos. iOS has a huge app library with very nice quality apps. The phones look great and perform well. Using one iPhone means you pretty much know how to use any iPhone. This is unlike Android where music management is a nightmare. The Play store is flooded with low quality apps and poor support. Using one Android phone means you know nothing about all the other Android phones. In short, to the non tech geek iPhones are the go-to. They are popular because they are easy to use. It also helps that Apples products are usually a status symbol.
The downside to not having Android is your limited in customization of ROMs or kernels. That doesn't mean you can't customize iOS. You just can't go as far as you can with Android.
Android Phones gives you more freedom.
Apple iPhones gives you less headaches.

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iPhones are just popular because they are easy to use and are updated often and quickly. It's a painless process to upload your music, movies and photos. iOS has a huge app library with very nice quality apps. The phones look great and perform well. Using one iPhone means you pretty much know how to use any iPhone. This is unlike Android where music management is a nightmare. The Play store is flooded with low quality apps and poor support. Using one Android phone means you know nothing about all the other Android phones. In short, to the non tech geek iPhones are the go-to. They are popular because they are easy to use. It also helps that Apples products are usually a status symbol.
The downside to not having Android is your limited in customization of ROMs or kernels. That doesn't mean you can't customize iOS. You just can't go as far as you can with Android.
Android Phones gives you more freedom.
Apple iPhones gives you less headaches.
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Could not have said that better IPhone is perfect when you just want the phone that works without much hassle. Android is perfect when you love tweaking and playing with your phone and not actually use it that much Because with a android you are never satisfied, there is always something more to tweak, change rom and other stuff so for me it always ends with just messing with it. To much time tweaking and flashing to find the perfect setup

Although the tweaking and flashing is a massive plus with Android for me, an even bigger plus is the ability to download files like mp3s and pdfs etc from the net or a torrent and play them straight away. With IOS you can't. Android is much more like a true mini pc compared to IOS. That's why I could never go back to IOS.

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Although the tweaking and flashing is a massive plus with Android for me, an even bigger plus is the ability to download files like mp3s and pdfs etc from the net or a torrent and play them straight away. With IOS you can't. Android is much more like a true mini pc compared to IOS. That's why I could never go back to IOS.
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Oh yeah, the mp3 download is a big factor for me. My friends ask me where I buy music. I said it's free and I use my phone, and showed a friend once... he just kept quiet. If you reverse the situation, I'm sure they'd be bragging.

xdm9mm said:
Oh yeah, the mp3 download is a big factor for me. My friends ask me where I buy music. I said it's free and I use my phone, and showed a friend once... he just kept quiet. If you reverse the situation, I'm sure they'd be bragging.
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you dont have to buy anything

tmac31 said:
you dont have to buy anything
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Yep it's called stealing ....
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Ive a app called xender which sends all the mp3 & videos from android to iphone without any hassle otherwise I would have said bye bye iphone.I think iphone should reduce some restrictions,would gather more android users.
What do you guys think?
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RISHI RAJ said:
Ive a app called xender which sends all the mp3 & videos from android to iphone without any hassle otherwise I would have said bye bye iphone.I think iphone should reduce some restrictions,would gather more android users.
What do you guys think?
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Me, NOT at the moment. I am so used to android, just like my PC vs Mac, and my Canon DSLR vs Nikon...
But time will tell, now that Samsung started rolling phones that have irreplaceable battery and no SD card support...

nookcoloruser said:
Yep it's called stealing ....
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Nope i meant it goes same for both os.

tmac31 said:
Nope i meant it goes same for both os.
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Given the way the OP phrased his post - I think we were both accurate But yes you are right. There are plenty of people accessing content they haven't paid for on iOS too.

as an ex-iphone user (went from S1 to iphone 4 then iphone 5, back to S3 and every samsung since then) i have a similar view on them.
iPhones are simple to understand - not simple to use. there is always one way to do something, and thats it.
For many people thats preferable to feeling like an idiot when there is 10 ways to do something. go to android and watch a movie "oh it didnt work" - you tell them to try BS player or MX player and they just throw their hands in the air, because the built in video player is holy and sacred.
The reason for the simplicity is simple: On apple, every last thing is designed to come from itunes, and be played by the apple stock apps. there is one source to get the content, one app to play them, and the only thing that seperates the users is how much money you have to throw at the apple ecosystem - once someone has spent a few hundred bucks on iTunes content they'll never leave, because they add that value to offset the cost of a new phone. $900 iphone? pfft,i have $2K in iTunes, it might as well be free!"
on android, you can buy them from a dozen sources, pirate them, copy them from your PC - and you have infinite playback options. its simply too complex for people who bought the phone without knowing *WHY* they bought that phone, since they dont use most of its capabilities anyway. These are the common iSheep, the people who bought it because it's cool and looks fancy, but use it like a nokia.
Everyone i've converted from apple to samsung has followed the same path as well "why? this does the same things as my iphone, but the iphone is prettier and has itunes" - they do a direct comparison without even considering what the phone can do BEYOND the iphones capabilities. Showing them the S-pen, or directly playing files off my NAS/PC over wifi, or MHL/HDMI, or the note 4's super fast charging blows them away.
the iphone is the baseline, and they're so used to having just ONE choice that when presented with two or three or 10, they simply treat all the options as the same.
"i hate android" means "i used one android phone once, and they're all the same right?" - this also goes for themes, keyboards, stock apps and so on.

Mussels84 said:
they're so used to having just ONE choice that when presented with two or three or 10, they simply treat all the options as the same. "i hate android" means "i used one android phone once, and they're all the same right?"
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Pretty much. I was really over whelmed when I came back to Android. I was used to things just working out of the box. Now I have to rebuild my music collection from Google Play as that is eaiser then attempting to transfer from iTunes. Took a few days before I got the hang of flashing and building from source. Things have changed as if you keep in mind my iPhone is now just a really expensive GameBoy Advance and remote. My Note 4 is my daily driver.

So, on iPhone there is no proper PGP support, no NFC APIs (so no support for secure tokens such as Yubikey, or even NFC tags), no low level network APIs (so you can't implement your own protocol, such as OpenVPN).... (I could go on and on)
It seems like a no-go to me, it is pretty much locked down as well, even though you actually purchased the device you can't do anything on it that's not endorsed by Apple, that's why I strayed away from the iPhone in the first place (I used to own an iPhone 3GS, that's until I swiched to android and never came back).
As someone that works in IT, and need to handle sensitive data, iOS is just not the system for me.

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As someone that works in IT, and need to handle sensitive data, iOS is just not the system for me.
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But that's the thing of course. If you work in IT, you most probably want an android. However if you don't know sh*t about IT, which 98% of the people don't, an iphone really might be the better option. You dont have to worry about battery drains, wakelocks, background apps running, viruses, etc. It just does what it's supposed to do when a monkey operates it.
But if you're in IT, you most likely want to do some more stuff, go more in depth and then Android is clearly the OS of choice.

I like iphone coz everybody knows when u have an iphone.But you have to tell that you have a Note 4 coz there are hell lot of samsung mobile with similar looks.Also there is atleast 1 year surity that apple will not release another phone with similar looks.Also with some restrictions removed like access to files or install from external source could make apple on top.But guess this is how ios will be.Although I can now play movies & songs from external source by an app called xender atleast making it usable
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For me is simple, if I use iPhone I will become dump, if I use android I will be generous because android is for geek not for dump. Yes lol most of the people use apple iPhone but they are totally useless in technology. There are a lot of iPhone user who even don't know simple problems in smart phone world. My company have a lot of previous ios user try to use android and return back to iPhone because very simple problem in android (simple problem for android user) is bothering them, that android user can solve the problem in just few second. I have a lot of friends using iPhone and always come to me with some simple problem I just laugh and says only one word..... useless guys. They always says iPhone is very smart.. ha ha.. i always says ..yes you are dump and go study first.
I am not insulting them, I just want them to not blind and open eye, Technology is changing, iPhone is good but not perfect, android is good but not for normal user same as window phone.

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For me is simple, if I use iPhone I will become dump, if I use android I will be generous because android is for geek not for dump. Yes lol most of the people use apple iPhone but they are totally useless in technology. There are a lot of iPhone user who even don't know simple problem problem in smart phone world. My company have a lot of previous ios user try to use android and return back to iPhone because very simple problem in android (simple problem for android user) is bothering them, that android user can solve the problem in just few second. I have a lot of friends using iPhone and always come to me with some simple problem I just laugh and says only one word..... useless guys. They always says iPhone is very smart.. ha ha.. i always says ..yes you are dump and go study first.
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I do not intend to be rude, but in english the word dump means something different to the way you are using it. Perhaps you meant the word dumb?

is it worth rooting?

I have the S10 for a month now and really happy with performance and battery. Although I've been a power user of android for too long I didn't feel the need to root my s10 yet, so is it still worth the hassle of rooting for you?

Have a look here and have wonderful day https://forum.xda-developers.com/s10-plus/how-to/root-s10-wait-t3926831
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Have a look here and have wonderful day https://forum.xda-developers.com/s10-plus/how-to/root-s10-wait-t3926831
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This is the first time I don't root a phone since 2010 with android, and to be honest I don't see the benefits of rooting anymore especially that One UI is great out the box.
As they mentioned in the thread there are some caveats but I can live without the couple of things gained from root.
Thanks for sharing.

I used ADB to be able to debloat entirely what I want. So don't need to root for me.

I rooted mine because I needed to enable the call recorder, other than that you get already have pretty much everything you need without root access.
Adaway dns to block ads, ADB to remove unwanted apps.

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I used ADB to be able to debloat entirely what I want. So don't need to root for me.
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I used package disabler for that and it works very well for me.
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I rooted mine because I needed to enable the call recorder, other than that you get already have pretty much everything you need without root access.
Adaway dns to block ads, ADB to remove unwanted apps.
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Well the only thing that irritates me having no root is that I have to deal with vpn ad blockers, other than that everything works just fine.

zaidshb said:
I used package disabler for that and it works very well for me.
Well the only thing that irritates me having no root is that I have to deal with vpn ad blockers, other than that everything works just fine.
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Use dns instead, you don't lose any bandwidth

Lebrun213 said:
Use dns instead, you don't lose any bandwidth
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I tried DNS66 but didn't work for me. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
Update: I found a way to use ad guard dns as a private vpn and it works, thanks.

hell yes .. better sound with viperfx .. debloating and changing cpu settings for better battery (since battery life on s10 is shi*) .. greenify, lspeed, naptime and all of that ..
rooting is always worth it

I don't think you should root now...

I had four main reasons when I used to root my phones back then. Titanium BackUp, Viper4Android, Adaway and the ability to apply dark themes.
-No need to uninstall apps with Titanium backup anymore, I can just disable them.
-Don't need Viper4Android. I bought the Creative Super X-Fi AMP and the sound of my mobile is way better than V4A.
-Adaway was great, but Block this! is good enough and it doesn't require rooting.
-Black and dark themes are everywhere these days, Android Q will support it natively.
I used to love Cyanogenmod and other roms, but Flagships these days have so many exclusive features, that a custom rom cannot support properly, like modern camera systems. S10 is my second unrooted phone and I do not intend to root it.

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I had four main reasons when I used to root my phones back then. Titanium BackUp, Viper4Android, Adaway and the ability to apply dark themes.
-No need to uninstall apps with Titanium backup anymore, I can just disable them.
-Don't need Viper4Android. I bought the Creative Super X-Fi AMP and the sound of my mobile is way better than V4A.
-Adaway was great, but Block this! is good enough and it doesn't require rooting.
-Black and dark themes are everywhere these days, Android Q will support it natively.
I used to love Cyanogenmod and other roms, but Flagships these days have so many exclusive features, that a custom rom cannot support properly, like modern camera systems. S10 is my second unrooted phone and I do not intend to root it.
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You've covered almost all the reasons why I used to root phones. It just feels weird using a phone without root for me lol but I'm getting used to it pretty well.

If you want to believe that a bunch of mostly useless apps while rooted will enrich your life and make you the cool guy, then by all means root. If you want a phone that will most likely be free of problems and will be worth something if you ever want to trade up or sell then don't root.

It's mainly that by rooting your device you also introduce all kinds of potential security risks to your device. It's also a big hassle, requires you to manually update your phone when there's an update available (vs just installing an OTA update which is so much easier). The main reason why I used to root my phone was for ad blocking, but now there are many non-root ways of doing so, such as Blokada.
My past 2 phones I haven't rooted and I don't miss it at all. Life is much simpler now. I guess also the newness of smartphones has worn off now. I now just want a phone that works reliably without too much hassle.

Tel864 said:
If you want to believe that a bunch of mostly useless apps while rooted will enrich your life and make you the cool guy, then by all means root. If you want a phone that will most likely be free of problems and will be worth something if you ever want to trade up or sell then don't root.
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When you put it this way it makes sense not to root lol
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It's mainly that by rooting your device you also introduce all kinds of potential security risks to your device. It's also a big hassle, requires you to manually update your phone when there's an update available (vs just installing an OTA update which is so much easier). The main reason why I used to root my phone was for ad blocking, but now there are many non-root ways of doing so, such as Blokada.
My past 2 phones I haven't rooted and I don't miss it at all. Life is much simpler now. I guess also the newness of smartphones has worn off now. I now just want a phone that works reliably without too much hassle.
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I do agree with you.

I think it's how you use the phone and what you like! I like viper, the record function while calling...
I have my s8 rooted for a year now and it's still better then my s10 cuz of the lack of features....for me that is plus...if you know for a fact your phone is solid...do it!! I'm gonna?

Nope, not worth it, but the kiddies say differently.

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I had four main reasons when I used to root my phones back then. Titanium BackUp, Viper4Android, Adaway and the ability to apply dark themes.
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You covered exactly my usage points that justified rooting in the past.
I will also add that Android native backup, and the job samsung is doing for monthly security updates in flagships helped a lot in my decision to not root.
For adblocking I'm satisfied with blokada and for now and I only see the chance to change my mind if I'm still using this phone when samsung drop the monthly updates for it, so then i will probably move to lineage if support is good enough and a descent gcam port is working.