Google killing battery - Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers

I have been getting pretty good battery life with my Pixel 4 XL since I got it last month, really no complaints, and significantly better than my 3 XL. Actually surprising good battery life I'll say.
But last couple of days, Google has been #1 in my battery stats. Last night I went to bed, didn't charge the phone, had like 40% battery life, woke up this morning, and it's in the red at 5% WTF? I looked in battery stats and Google was 46% first on the list, followed by Ambient Display, and then Screen.
And I have all the Google crap off, no location stuff, I just turned off app sync, and I always have Google limited not to drain the phone. So what could all of a sudden be causing this?

Zorachus said:
I have been getting pretty good battery life with my Pixel 4 XL since I got it last month, really no complaints, and significantly better than my 3 XL. Actually surprising good battery life I'll say.
But last couple of days, Google has been #1 in my battery stats. Last night I went to bed, didn't charge the phone, had like 40% battery life, woke up this morning, and it's in the red at 5% WTF? I looked in battery stats and Google was 46% first on the list, followed by Ambient Display, and then Screen.
And I have all the Google crap off, no location stuff, I just turned off app sync, and I always have Google limited not to drain the phone. So what could all of a sudden be causing this?
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Reboot and check in the morning again. Full charge before bed and if it's still messed up get BBS and figure out which app is keeping your phone awake with screen off.

bobby janow said:
Reboot and check in the morning again. Full charge before bed and if it's still messed up get BBS and figure out which app is keeping your phone awake with screen off.
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What is BBS please?

fclifton said:
What is BBS please?
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Better battery stats. It's an app

fclifton said:
What is BBS please?
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179809 It's a long OP and subsequent posts for installing on non root devices. But well worth the read and installation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixe...dium=mweb&_branch_match_id=726231082937342938
Common issue there and on OnePlus - https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus7pro/comments/dzoj7c

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15-25% overnight battery drain versus 3-4%

According to the Battery thread in this forum, some people experience a high overnight battery drain, and some get a low one.
I am currently a member of the high club. For battery testing, I have most things turned off, like location services and google now. Last night overnight drain (8 hours) took the battery from 76% to 58%... 18%. On my previous phone, the HTC One, the overnight drain would be around 6%.
I am curious about the people who are getting low (~5%) overnight drains. Do they all have Wifi off? What is their secret?! Do tell.
FligMupple said:
According to the Battery thread in this forum, some people experience a high overnight battery drain, and some get a low one.
I am currently a member of the high club. For battery testing, I have most things turned off, like location services and google now. Last night overnight drain (8 hours) took the battery from 76% to 58%... 18%. On my previous phone, the HTC One, the overnight drain would be around 6%.
I am curious about the people who are getting low (~5%) overnight drains. Do they all have Wifi off? What is their secret?! Do tell.
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Install better battery stats to monitor what's going on. I think the one night I left it off charge over night I lost maybe 6-8% but I slept for like 10+ hours. This is with google now on, gps on, wifi on.
What i'm testing now that I think will actually improve batt life is having wifi turn off when display is off (unless plugged in). I think I noticed less idle drain at home when I did this but it was temporary. Giving it a shot over a few days now.
I leave wifi on and I get less than 5% drain. Nothing syncs when my screen is off except notification weather pro every two hours and Yahoo weather
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FligMupple said:
According to the Battery thread in this forum, some people experience a high overnight battery drain, and some get a low one.
I am currently a member of the high club. For battery testing, I have most things turned off, like location services and google now. Last night overnight drain (8 hours) took the battery from 76% to 58%... 18%. On my previous phone, the HTC One, the overnight drain would be around 6%.
I am curious about the people who are getting low (~5%) overnight drains. Do they all have Wifi off? What is their secret?! Do tell.
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Personally I think the X and new droids have idle drain issues. Even when better battery stats shows nearly 100% deep sleep overnight, I still lose 8-10%. In comparison, on my HTC One mini, which is setup EXACTLY the same as my X in terms of installed apps, syncing accounts, running services, etc., I lose only 2-3% overnight. The number of people complaining about the issue seems to confirm it is more widespread than on other recent phones, as do the countless screenshots showing unusually high android OS usage in battery stats.
Sent from my HTC One mini
phositadc said:
Personally I think the X and new droids have idle drain issues. Even when better battery stats shows nearly 100% deep sleep overnight, I still lose 8-10%. In comparison, on my HTC One mini, which is setup EXACTLY the same as my X in terms of installed apps, syncing accounts, running services, etc., I lose only 2-3% overnight. The number of people complaining about the issue seems to confirm it is more widespread than on other recent phones, as do the countless screenshots showing unusually high android OS usage in battery stats.
Sent from my HTC One mini
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I honestly believe it will be patched with the Camera.
I'm having the same issue. People are reporting crazy battery stats with like 20+ hours of use 2+ hours of screen on and like 20% battery left. I get MAYBE 12 hours of use and 2 hours of screen on and 20-25% left. My mediaserver is keeping the phone awake for almost an hour+ each day, and without root I can't figure out how to stop it. I always have GPS/Google Now/Bluetooth off, too.
I thought the drain was related to Wifi. But last night WiFi was turned off for the night and I still got 18% battery drain in about 8 hours.
Wifi at home and overnight. I get about 5% drain... however, the wifi at work kills my phones battery with the wlan wakelock.
Maybe there is something going on with the X and certain wifi networks?
rman18 said:
Wifi at home and overnight. I get about 5% drain... however, the wifi at work kills my phones battery with the wlan wakelock.
Maybe there is something going on with the X and certain wifi networks?
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Interesting theory but my overnight idle drain was approximately the same on both LTE and WiFi. 10-15%.
Sent from my HTC One mini
How about turning off all radios (flight mode) and observe battery drain at night. Then turning wifi while on flight mode the next night and see the battery drain and so on until you can pin point what causes the most drain.
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Battery taking a nose dive since 4.4.2?

Not sure whats going on but the battery on my Note 3 is horrible since the update. I fully charge it and 1 hr later (not even using it) I've lost 5-10%. It barely last the whole day now. I've even wiped the device and it continues to happen. Doing a quick test right now, fully charged its been off the battery for 20 mins and I'm showing 27% usage on the Android System, 10% on the Android OS and 15% of the screen and its down to 97% already.
Any ideas?
howie411 said:
Not sure whats going on but the battery on my Note 3 is horrible since the update. I fully charge it and 1 hr later (not even using it) I've lost 5-10%. It barely last the whole day now. I've even wiped the device and it continues to happen. Doing a quick test right now, fully charged its been off the battery for 20 mins and I'm showing 27% usage on the Android System, 10% on the Android OS and 15% of the screen and its down to 97% already.
Any ideas?
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things to try: (no this isnt a 'disable anything useful like email and google plus' post )
1. camera - there is some well documented issue, if you open the camera app, there is some kind of battery drain going on. google it, there is tons of reading material for it. temp fix is reset.
2. I have noticed google now makes my battery life do what yours does, drop 10% easy in an hour of it being completely idle. open the app, disable google now, and then see what is going on. i hate disabling anything but its worked for me.
asilva54 said:
things to try: (no this isnt a 'disable anything useful like email and google plus' post )
1. camera - there is some well documented issue, if you open the camera app, there is some kind of battery drain going on. google it, there is tons of reading material for it. temp fix is reset.
2. I have noticed google now makes my battery life do what yours does, drop 10% easy in an hour of it being completely idle. open the app, disable google now, and then see what is going on. i hate disabling anything but its worked for me.
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Thanks after a second reset it seems much better. Maybe it was one of my Apps? For now I'll just install them 1 at a time.
howie411 said:
Not sure whats going on but the battery on my Note 3 is horrible since the update. I fully charge it and 1 hr later (not even using it) I've lost 5-10%. It barely last the whole day now. I've even wiped the device and it continues to happen. Doing a quick test right now, fully charged its been off the battery for 20 mins and I'm showing 27% usage on the Android System, 10% on the Android OS and 15% of the screen and its down to 97% already.
Any ideas?
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Same thing happened to mine. Went to bed at 95%, killed all apps, empty ram, turn off data but left wifi on. Woke up 8 hours later and it was down to 17%. Unprecedented 10% hour drain. Usuallly it drains 3 -5 percent overnight. Same thing happened to wife's phone and she is on Sprint but she left wifi and data on. Uninstalled Google camera and Skype and notice it went away. Testing it again tonight.
Edit: Test it again last night. 4% drop in 8 hours. Woke up to 96% this morning. Hopefully that fixed the problem.
Update: Went to bed at 11:30 at 68% and woke up 7 hours later and battery is still showing 68%! Surf the web for 5 minutes before battery drop to 67%. Amazing standby battery drain. I had turn off wifi, bluetooth, and data before going to bed and killed all the apps. Usually this will cause a .5%/hour drain but it barely drain .5% in 7 hours this time!

First night on battery

I let it charge to 100% around 1am, unplugged and work up at 730am. Battery was on 85%. No use at all.
During regular use it seems to drain quickly. I've disabled probably 20 apps.
EVOme said:
I let it charge to 100% around 1am, unplugged and work up at 730am. Battery was on 85%. No use at all.
During regular use it seems to drain quickly. I've disabled probably 20 apps.
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I have my edge since Monday and what you're saying I have not experienced. Post some screen shots of your battery stats so we can have a better idea of what's going on
EVOme said:
I let it charge to 100% around 1am, unplugged and work up at 730am. Battery was on 85%. No use at all.
During regular use it seems to drain quickly. I've disabled probably 20 apps.
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I went to bed around 1am as well, woke up at 9:30am. I also disabled around 20 apps. Bedtime battery was at 95% wake up battery was at 85%. I dont think thats too bad at all.
I'm pretty happy with my battery life so far
Does Verizon have an immediate ota update like tmobile? I didn't he update right away and seems solid enough. Not as good as my g3, but way smaller of a battery in the edge.
Disable the Amazon App Suite from Applications manager. This has been the culprit for every carrier on the S6. If you use Amazon app store, download it through amazon directly (it is a different app than the one included with the phone).
Your problem will be solved right away!!
Also, the Edge display (not the contact color part, but the clock and news feed) is a battery drain.
another problem with alot of s6 owners, aside from the stock amazon app, is there has been alot of battery drain if using wifi. I had wifi on most of the time and noticed a drain from cell standby... once you turn off the wifi that never comes up and drain is perfectly fine... no cell standby battery drain...
My battery was terrible the first day, ok the second day, and far better today. Seems like it has a time it needs to settle down.
I haven't gotten >3.5 hours screen on time yet. Which kind of stinks.
Disabled a few more apps today, will see if they helps any.
Sure have been getting use out of the quick charging though.
Yesterday my phone took a change in the battery department....
EVOme said:
Yesterday my phone took a change in the battery department....
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Wow!
What's your screen-on time? Power-saving enabled at any moment?
open1your1eyes0 said:
Wow!
What's your screen-on time? Power-saving enabled at any moment?
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Sorry, I didn't look at that before I plugged it in.
Almost 6 hrs of screenon time use, Netflix for 30 mins...Facebook and texting. Screen set at around 30% brightness. Happy with my S6.
Not disappointed in how short the overall battery is...it does what I want and need it to do.
Yesterday my phone was dead from 6am to 6pm today at 5pm still have 47% left and I definitely used it more today. Better with age?
Hello I just gave my first full charge to my phone and the cell stand by is at the top, is there a way to avoid this or we going to accept to live with it, thanks for your help.
my battery wasn't too bad either

Google battery drain after December update?

I'm wondering if anyone else is having a problem with Google being the highest battery user since the update?
UPDATE- Since removing myself from Google Beta my battery drain is back to normal.
Yes, same issue.
Same here, this is significant
Wtf is going on, went to bed 100% wake up to 70%
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I'm removing myself from the Google Beta program to see if that helps.
Same here. Big change.
Same here. Big change.
I hope Google fixes this soon.
Seems to drain an extra 20-30%
When I was at 80-70% I'm now at 50%.
Nothing crazy here. High usage in terms of time but not battery percentage.
Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk
Yup me too. dropping 20-30% overnight
Came here to add that I'm in the same boat. Significant battery drain when my phone is idle.
Guess the December feature drop also contained a battery drain "feature"
Google, perpetually in Beta.
Birdsfan said:
I'm wondering if anyone else is having a problem with Google being the highest battery user since the update?
same. overnight drain is ~15%, exacerbating the already ****ty battery.
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backslashV said:
same. overnight drain is ~15%, exacerbating the already ****ty battery.
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I flashed the factory image and that fixed it for me. I'm now losing 2 to 3% overnight.
After removing myself from the Google Beta program and reverting back to the normal Google app my battery life went back to what it was prior to my OP. As of today the same issue is back with Google being the highest user running for over 8 hours. I'm at below 50% when my typical day off from work use, would have me in the high 70's/low 80's.
knife2240 said:
I flashed the factory image and that fixed it for me. I'm now losing 2 to 3% overnight.
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How are you set up, ambient display, etc.? Did you do a restore after flashing or set up as new?
Birdsfan said:
How are you set up, ambient display, etc.? Did you do a restore after flashing or set up as new?
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Ambient EQ, motion sense and smooth display are all off and I always set up as new.
Same issue, except the December update fixed it for me. I'd fall asleep with 90% charge and wake up with 30% left. It was like the Pixel 4 came with Android 4.
After the December update, my "adaptive battery" stuff seems to have started working. I've gone from 1 day 10hr standby time to 2 day 15hr (and still slowly climbing)
Pulled phone off charger at 100% last night and woke up at 97%
Tosslehoff said:
Same issue, except the December update fixed it for me. I'd fall asleep with 90% charge and wake up with 30% left. It was like the Pixel 4 came with Android 4.
After the December update, my "adaptive battery" stuff seems to have started working. I've gone from 1 day 10hr standby time to 2 day 15hr (and still slowly climbing)
Pulled phone off charger at 100% last night and woke up at 97%
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What did you do for that battery life?
Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Space Technology
knife2240 said:
I flashed the factory image and that fixed it for me. I'm now losing 2 to 3% overnight.
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how much signal are you getting? also if it's not too much of a hassle for you, can you list your apps?

Question Pixel 7 standby drain issue.

Never happened like this. Started dropping 10%+ overnight. I should admit p7 standby drain was never that good. Used to drop around 6-7% on average but suddenly without installing any other apps or making any major changes to my device it started happening. The device is updated to November patch, all major apps is being battery restricted except the few apps i use daily. Like whatsapp reddit... Has anyone fixed this issue or is there any fix ?! TIA.
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Never happened like this. Started dropping 10%+ overnight. I should admit p7 standby drain was never that good. Used to drop around 6-7% on average but suddenly without installing any other apps or making any major changes to my device it started happening. The device is updated to November patch, all major apps is being battery restricted except the few apps i use daily. Like whatsapp reddit... Has anyone fixed this issue or is there any fix ?! TIA.
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Screen off 0.7% / hour is pretty standard for Pixel phones. If something is waking the device you can find it usually with Better Battery Stats either on XDA or the Play store. I usually check alarms and partial wakelocks to see if anything is amiss. Sometimes a reboot will clear out the alarms of particular apps. Here ya go.
[APP][2.2+][11 Dec. 2022 - V3.1] BetterBatteryStats
I started BetterBatteryStats because I was missing the great battery history that Spare Parts allowed to call on Froyo. It has been a long journey since the first version. BetterBatteryStats provides an insight in following categories: - General...
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bobby janow said:
Screen off 0.7% / hour is pretty standard for Pixel phones. If something is waking the device you can find it usually with Better Battery Stats either on XDA or the Play store. I usually check alarms and partial wakelocks to see if anything is amiss. Sometimes a reboot will clear out the alarms of particular apps. Here ya go.
[APP][2.2+][11 Dec. 2022 - V3.1] BetterBatteryStats
I started BetterBatteryStats because I was missing the great battery history that Spare Parts allowed to call on Froyo. It has been a long journey since the first version. BetterBatteryStats provides an insight in following categories: - General...
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I used BBS for a while. Does it need root access to show the wakelocks and alarms and all? Coz i wasn't planning on rooting my p7 now.
towhidabid said:
I used BBS for a while. Does it need root access to show the wakelocks and alarms and all? Coz i wasn't planning on rooting my p7 now.
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No it doesn't. Pay attention to this post (#4) and follow the adb instructions to a T. Sometimes you need to restart the BBS app so either force stop it or reboot the phone. Don't forget the hidden_api_policy command (Android 10 and above) at the bottom.
[APP][2.2+][11 Dec. 2022 - V3.1] BetterBatteryStats
I started BetterBatteryStats because I was missing the great battery history that Spare Parts allowed to call on Froyo. It has been a long journey since the first version. BetterBatteryStats provides an insight in following categories: - General...
forum.xda-developers.com
edit: Latest version post/link from the thread. https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...rbatterystats.1179809/page-1932#post-87741925
towhidabid said:
Never happened like this. Started dropping 10%+ overnight. I should admit p7 standby drain was never that good. Used to drop around 6-7% on average but suddenly without installing any other apps or making any major changes to my device it started happening. The device is updated to November patch, all major apps is being battery restricted except the few apps i use daily. Like whatsapp reddit... Has anyone fixed this issue or is there any fix ?! TIA.
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These are your battery stats.. and you aren't happy with them?
My battery is wayyyyy worse..
First, what app are you using to monitor the battery in the screenshot?
Second, is this with mobile service and data on as well?
My phone doesn't idle as good in airplane mode with wifi on!
Makes me feel like there's hope after all for decent battery..
Ill post my stats tomorrow.
And try to get to the bottom of my battery issues..
The app is AccuBattery and it's indeed accurate given enough cycles
It's not that different from my 4XL, still waiting on the 7 to arrive.
gershee said:
These are your battery stats.. and you aren't happy with them?
My battery is wayyyyy worse..
First, what app are you using to monitor the battery in the screenshot?
Second, is this with mobile service and data on as well?
My phone doesn't idle as good in airplane mode with wifi on!
Makes me feel like there's hope after all for decent battery..
Ill post my stats tomorrow.
And try to get to the bottom of my battery issues..
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First, The app is accubattery.
Second, nope its not data or wifi on. With wifi on it standby drain is okay. But with mobile data its worse i mean far worse. As if its not enters doze or standby only. At best with minimal use it'll last 16-18 hrs with confidence then the low battery anxiety kicks in... I was hoping a far better standby drain. Coz i was optimized it as much as i can. Didn't install anything much. Blocked all the background activities. My p4a with a smaller battery had better standby. Even i heard p6a with tensor 1 chip had better standby drain. I hoped tensor 2 had better optimization efficiency on this end.
I'm in the same boat. Very disappointed in standby battey drain. Mines like ~3-4% per hour when out and about during the day! With 5g off.
Seems crazy high to me.
Hoping some custom kernel goodness or custom rom will improve this...
gershee said:
I'm in the same boat. Very disappointed in standby battey drain. Mines like ~3-4% per hour when out and about during the day! With 5g off.
Seems crazy high to me.
Hoping some custom kernel goodness or custom rom will improve this...
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3-4% is harsh man. It happens to me when using mobile data.
I came from the P6 and have been using the P7 for about a week now. I personally have not seen any noticeable difference in battery drain between the P6 and P7.
Here is my accubattery summary. Screen off at 3.5% per hour, over 80% deep sleep. Even deep sleep state consumes 2.2% per hour. Unbelievably bad.
cswithxda said:
Here is my accubattery summary. Screen off at 3.5% per hour, over 80% deep sleep. Even deep sleep state consumes 2.2% per hour. Unbelievably bad.
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Did you update the December patch? It improved alot of things including scrolling and standby drain issue. Atleast I've noticed on my device.
cswithxda said:
Here is my accubattery summary. Screen off at 3.5% per hour, over 80% deep sleep. Even deep sleep state consumes 2.2% per hour. Unbelievably bad.
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That's a little much. Most it should be is around 0.9% / hr and perhaps as low as 0.5%. Find out what is waking your phone with screen off and you'll have the solution. This is not a Pixel 7 thing but a you thing. (well your device not necessarily you)
towhidabid said:
Did you update the December patch? It improved alot of things including scrolling and standby drain issue. Atleast I've noticed on my device.
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Yes, I bought the phone recently and when I initially set it up I fastboot flashed DEC build downloaded directly from Google to both slots.
bobby janow said:
That's a little much. Most it should be is around 0.9% / hr and perhaps as low as 0.5%. Find out what is waking your phone with screen off and you'll have the solution. This is not a Pixel 7 thing but a you thing. (well your device not necessarily you)
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I'm not sure if it's a wakeup issue though. As shown in the screenshot, the deep sleep is above 80% time of total screen off time. And for the deep sleep state it consumes 2.2% per hour. The phone idle item usually also contributes to about 30% - 40% of battery usage overnight when the phone is in standby, which seems to be a good thing according to some opinions I read, since it means no single problem app (user app at least) draining the battery.
I only have the phone completely set up and running for the past week, so I still have patience and see for another week if it's the system still settling down on something. It's just ridiculous to see the phone down to literally 70% from fully charged after an 8 hour sleep when there is not an obvious single problem app.
Maybe I need to start using the good old BBS again...
cswithxda said:
I only have the phone completely set up and running for the past week, so I still have patience and see for another week if it's the system still settling down on something. It's just ridiculous to see the phone down to literally 70% from fully charged after an 8 hour sleep when there is not an obvious single problem app.
Maybe I need to start using the good old BBS again...
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Yes, BBS will certainly help. My deep sleep with screen off is around 90+ %. One thing to try is a reboot of the device right before you go to sleep. Any partial wakelock and alarms will be cleared out unless they are constantly syncing something in the background. I also think that by now it's pretty much settled so it's something else. BBS is better than Accubattery for stuff like that.
cswithxda said:
Here is my accubattery summary. Screen off at 3.5% per hour, over 80% deep sleep. Even deep sleep state consumes 2.2% per hour. Unbelievably bad.
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Here's my AccuBattery stats and BBS stats from last night. If I charge it to 100% then the screen off is around 0.5% / hour probably due to the reporting in Android being not entirely accurate. I think I unplugged around 85% last night I try not to go too much above that. As I said something is waking the device up I believe.
Thanks! I installed BBS yesterday and will let it work for a day or two and start troubleshooting. If we compare our accubattery stats, it's interesting that your deep sleep consumes 0.7% per hour while mine consumes more than 2.0% per hour. Even my deep sleep state has problem.
Edit: this is BBS from the last 8 hours or so of complete idle.
cswithxda said:
Thanks! I installed BBS yesterday and will let it work for a day or two and start troubleshooting. If we compare our accubattery stats, it's interesting that your deep sleep consumes 0.7% per hour while mine consumes more than 2.0% per hour. Even my deep sleep state has problem.
Edit: this is BBS from the last 8 hours or so of complete idle.
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The summary and partial wakelock are similar to mine last night only difference being my good signal was 100% where as your moderate signal was 91%. I don't believe that would do it. My overnight drain was 0.8% / hour. Kernel wakelocks never really showed me much but I'm sure the experts over at the BBS thread could shed more light on that with a log upload according to the OP. But I think more important is your alarm screen since unplugged. What does that look like and what's at the top of the list? That might help narrow it down.
Boot into safe mode. Observe drain.
Not sure why but last week kde Connect suddenly locked up my whole phone, disabled now it's better.
When I tried safe mode I had 88% after am 8hr shift. Blew my mind. No idea the culprit but clearly user apps running amok
But, I never experienced stock. Immediately flashed GrapheneOS so I figured was due to to their build

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